Mention It All - Is It Risky To Love A New Housewife? Ft. Sami Sage (RHOC, RHOM)

Episode Date: February 3, 2022

Dylan is joined by Sami Sage to recap the latest episodes of Orange County and Miami. On the RHOC trip to Cabo, they discuss Noella’s latest breakdown, and why her fragile state is rough for a first-season wife. They also discuss the mid-level management tier of Bravo, and why it’s so important. Later, they unpack the RHOM trip to the Hamptons, and how the group handled Julia’s hangover situation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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With Dylan Hafer. We're going to check me, Bill. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer. And my guest today is a returning guest. You know her as a co-founder of Betches. And, of course, the host of some of your favorite Betches podcasts.

Please welcome back, Sammy Sage. Hello, Sammy. Hello, this is officially the highlight of my day. I'm upset that it's happening so early because what am I going to look forward to now? I know. It always is like in the morning, Thursday mornings, I've talked about this with a couple different people. Miami has become such a Thursday morning treat for me that it really is like the first

hour of my day. I'm like, I'm going to listen to like Adriana yelling and whatever else is happening. And then I get to talk about. it and then after that I'm just like twiddling my thumbs for the rest of the day. No, that was like amazing. The waking up and wanting and having the obligation to watch it. I just have to commend Miami and I know we'll get to discussing the crux of it. Miami is so superior in terms of its like production quality in terms of like the way that

the cast really shines. It almost feels, you know, like they're professionals. I totally know what you mean. I think everybody that I've talked to about it really feels like they did a perfect job of rebooting the franchise because it was, you know, today we're talking about Orange County and Miami, which both of these seasons are supposed to be sort of reboots, but in a very different way. Because with OC, it's like, okay, we'll take six months and kind of retool the cast a little bit, whereas you have Miami, which is a true reboot. it was off the air for like eight years. And I've, every week when I watch it, I'm impressed with how solid it feels and how kind of naturally they came back together as a group.

Obviously, some of them have been better friends than others in the time in between. But yeah, you really, it doesn't feel like they just kind of, you know, found some random show from the archives to bring back on Peacock. It's like, no, this belongs here. Yeah, there are no rogue play. players. They as a cast and then the production team on top of it know how to like polish a storyline. And we'll talk about a Julia's hangover. But the fact that they were able to turn that into like a solid 45 minutes and it was actually not boring. I know. Yeah. That says something about this show or whatever's going into this magic. Because if this were like you have it in contrast to

O.C. where they're on a vacation too, and it's like nothing's, nothing's really sticking quite. Yeah. So let's get into O.C. I, so we're obviously still in Cabo this week. You know, Heather wants to build a house. Everybody else is there just because. But Heather should really only be allowed one real estate plot line per season. Like, I don't. This, this episode, the cast was besides the dinners. at the beginning and the end, the cast was weirdly kind of split into two sections because it felt like Gina, Emily, and Noella were on this bizarre odyssey together, where it started at the dinner because, you know, Heather and Jennifer had left the table, so it really was the three of them and Noella kind of not being here for their drunken antics, which were really extremely harmless.

And then it kind of carried over into the next day. The three of them are at the same. the sweat lodge where something is in the air and Noella has some kind of crisis, which I guess is a description of every episode this season. With her. Yeah. And then they end up on the beach together. And it really felt like it felt like we were watching some kind of dramedy movie of three friends on this weird like off-kilter trip to Mexico.

And then you remember that there's another half of the cast elsewhere. Yeah, it sort of had like the hills vibes a little at that part that you're speaking about specifically. Maybe it was like the scene, like the setting. But I think there was also a mistake that Bravo made in the schedule by like there was a very strong loss of momentum with the Cabo trip because there was like this two week hiatus. So I started on like what is actually happening on this trip? Are they mad? Like it just, I think that was a mistake in terms of there should never be a hiatus in the middle of a trip. And not only in the middle of a trip, but in the middle of a dinner.

Like there was, they were still at the dinner table. And I was, I actually kind of, usually I watch things right when they're happening. But I had been, I was out of town that week that the Cabo trip started. So I watched the episode kind of late. And I was glad I did because I didn't have a full two weeks in between. But it really was kind of like, oh, right, we're still back at this dinner table. And Noella has kind of just arrived on this trip. I will say, though, I do think her dynamic with Gina and Emily is very interesting.

Like, I mean, kind of everything that Noella is bringing to the show is just this, like, puzzle that you can't quite figure out because I think there are some pieces missing. like she she doesn't have all the pieces either. But, you know, kind of Gina and Emily trying to help her kind of fit into this group and handle things properly that is going to be go well for her. It's like, I don't think she's in a position to really follow their advice. Yeah, I mean, Nella, I think it's a shame because she is very good at bringing drama, but she didn't have any time to settle before her life went completely sideways. And I think that we're watching a very long season, but in reality, we're really just watching, like, the week after she's going through this crisis.

And I'm trying to think, like, okay, we are literally capturing this woman at her most intense, like, moment of life probably. And yet she has to show up for filming, like, as if it's just sort of a regular day. And that's, I think, why she's in such a spiral. I don't know. I do feel like this might be going better for her if it was her second season on the show. You know, if she had kind of had a year to establish herself, actually get to know the group a little bit. But when you think about it, her sort of into getting on the show was with Bronwyn, who she was really good friends with going back a couple years. She appeared a little bit on last season. And so I don't think it was a weird choice for them to keep her. But the fact that Bronwyn's not here anymore, she doesn't really have, like, her person in the group. And, you know, maybe she thought it was going to be Nicole for a second, but clearly that didn't pan out. But, yeah, she does just sort of seem to be drifting through this season kind of unable to really grab hold onto anything. And, I mean, that scene in the sweat lodge was really, it was kind of upsetting.

It was like, what's happening here? is she okay? And I really, I guess it was just the heat and the drinking and whatever, but it was like kind of scary. Yeah, the sweat lodge seemed a little bit intense. I think Gina even said like she had no interest in going back. Like it was too, it was like too much. So I kind of feel like, okay, so that was just like a weird activity. Like maybe they didn't need to do that.

But something about, so you mentioned Gina and Emily, who are. just a fabulous pair to watch because they're, obviously their dynamic is very real. But I thought there was one thing that Gina said in the beginning where she referred to herself as mid-level management. And I was like, wait, you didn't just say that line. Like, you just nailed an entire, like, band of housewives that exist within the Bravo universe. Like, mid-level management housewives are so important. And now I'm, like, thinking, like, who else are the mid-level management? management housewives. Like that was so on point. And I don't even think she realized what a meaningful

statement she made. Right. Because every cast realistically can only have one or two people that are kind of the top dog central figure, the center of the universe kind of thing. And then you really have to have, you know, the person who is kind of the, you know, center diamond, if you will, is probably not the person who's going to be sort of picking up the pieces to make sure the group is like coordinated and kind of flowing together. And yeah, I think Gina is, that's kind of a great observation that she really is the one, you know, she and Emily are basically coaching Noella on like, okay, so maybe you're not going to be best friends with Heather.

But if you maybe just approach it, like, we'll give you some pointers and then maybe you could like act in the right way and then she would you know at least tolerate you and I get why Noella is like fuck this I don't need I don't need to be like coached on how to interact with someone but I also think that Gina and Emily are you know they're doing a um a valiant effort to try and kind of make things cohesive. Noelle and Heather I can't think of two more diametrically opposed energies like ever like in existence I and I get, I actually get why Noella sort of naturally hates Heather because of that whole like buttoned up like I'm on the camp counselor running the schedule like everyone has to be where I want

them to be and I'm going to go check out my $15 million future home and Noelle is obviously like in a total mess. But yeah, I think that like I'm a little annoyed that the cast is so scared of Heather with the exception of Shannon and like a kind of obsessed with like making sure that like everyone's good around Heather. Like, I want Heather to sweat a little bit, not at the sweat lodge. I do agree. I think I enjoy Heather's presence on the show, but I think it would be, it would mean more if she was kind of being challenged a little bit.

And I think you're right that Shannon is the only person who isn't kind of kissing the ring. But at the same time, I think Shannon wishes that she would be. And she wants to be in Heather's good graces, but for better or for worse, Heather's not really giving her that option. Heather has pretty much decided that that's not going to happen. And so Shannon is kind of like, well, fuck me. I guess I'm not going to bother trying because there's no point. I will say, though, nothing, nothing speaks to my soul more than watching Shannon grimace

her way through a tour of an extravagant home. And we got it for the second time. season and it just, oh, it makes my heart so happy. Right, right, right, right. It is, yeah, Shannon, Shannon's like lack of control over what she shows or just a willingness to not control what she shows is what makes her such a great, such a great feature of OC. And again, very opposite Heather, but it's a little bit annoying because she has no allies. Like Shannon, I think, only really likes Noella or like is for the time of day because she is the only one who will stand up to Heather. And that doesn't make for that interesting of a dynamic when it's sort of like

Noella's being her, I don't know, bone carriers, what they say. Noella's not in a position to be a strong ally to anyone because she needs to, she needs to focus on herself. And I watched part of Watch What Happens Live last night, which was Gina and Larsa. Yes, let's talk about that. They were playing, you know, the spill or sip game, and they asked both of them who they trust the least in their cast, borrowing from Marisol's, you know, producer-driven dinner party game. And Gina said Shannon, and then another question was on a scale of one to ten,

how much do you trust Shannon? She gave her a three and said that that was being generous, which, I mean, I don't. think I would trust Shannon on a higher level, but like saying that a three out of ten is generous is pretty intense. Yeah, I don't think Shannon, Shannon doesn't strike me as like untrustworthy in the way that you would classically think about it. Like I think Shannon's just messy and that makes her difficult to trust. But I don't think that she's like diabolical. No, I think she's more of one of those people who doesn't really think before she speaks or doesn't really, doesn't really, like,

think through the consequences of her actions. But I don't think she is as calculated sometimes as the other women on the show make her out to be. I thought the whole thing with, the whole thing with Heather and Nicole earlier in the season, it was like, did that, did Shannon look bad from that situation? Certainly, yes. and I think she deserved, you know, some of the blowback she got for that. But I also don't think she was trying to ruin Heather's life.

I think she just was being messy and it got away from her. Right. She was not trying to take the Debrose down, as they say. But, yeah, I don't think Shannon is calculated. I think actually what makes her untrustworthy is how uncalculated she is. Like, she's not thinking enough steps ahead. And that's what, like you said, like she's not thinking about what she's saying as much. And that's probably why she and Tam's.

Tamara, don't get along anymore, because name a more calculated person in the world than Tamara, Judge. You cannot. Yeah, no, but that's what makes her great. Right. She's great TV, but like, thinking about somebody like her, having a friend like Shannon, you know, Tamara's thinking 10 steps ahead, and then Shannon's going to go ruin the whole plan. And, you know, it's all about balance, but, you know, I don't think Shannon is somebody that I would be good at being friends with. No, she's not, again, it's like the opposite energy of Heather of like extreme self-control versus like not really any self-control. Yeah, and it's just like, it's always so obvious when she's miserable.

It's always so obvious when she is, you know, really uncomfortable in a situation. And her lack of kind of finer social skills, I think is both really fascinating to watch, but also sometimes it's like, oh my God, please get it together. Yeah. I can't handle this. Ready to soundtrack your summer? With Red Bull Summer All Day Play, you choose a playlist that fits your summer vibe the best.

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Should we talk about the dinner and the card game and Noella versus Heather? We definitely should because this is sort of sparked when Gina, Emily, and Noella are at the beach. And Emily kind of drops the, you know, crumb of information that Heather had not wanted to invite Noella on the trip and that the only reason she did invite her was because Gina was insisting. And really, I mean, we saw that a couple episodes ago. Gina is the sole reason that Noella was invited on this trip. And I actually, I thought it was kind of nice that Gina didn't really want to say that because she's trying to do something nice for Noella.

And she knows that this information is going to make Noelle feel uncomfortable, make her feel, you know, unwelcome because, you know, duh, she's a person with emotions. But Noella, you know, isn't happy to hear this. And it, you know, bubbles back up at dinner because it's the first time they've seen. seen Heather this whole episode. Yeah, I mean, she's too busy with her house. I mean, yeah, that was a classic mid-level management judgment call on, on Emily's part. So they have this issue with the cards, but I think that what Heather's saying doesn't make sense because she was like, whatever, it's like, you're a pity invite and Heather didn't want to invite her because she gave her daughter, quote unquote, pornography. But then Heather's like, I obviously

am giving you the benefit of the doubt. I don't think you knew what was in the cards. But it's like, then why wouldn't you want to invite her if you think it was a mistake? Right. If she only thought it was a mistake and didn't, wasn't carrying a grudge beyond that, you would have just said something to Noella and been like, hey, just so you know, you probably didn't like look through all the cards, but some of them were a little inappropriate. So like with that in mind, maybe next time be more careful, see you on the trip.

Right, right, right. I mean, the gift, though, like no one really pointed this out, it was so fucking weird because the way she described how she decided to give her this gift. Like she searched LGBT gift on Amazon. And it's sort of like, why do you have to give her gift about that like impla, like any, in any way tied to her sexuality. And obviously LGBT is inherently about sexual orientation. So it is therefore inherently has something sexual about it.

But it's like, why wouldn't you just? give her something that's like one of her hobbies. Like, you know, it's like... Yeah. Like when Noelle was saying to Heather, like, your straight fragility, I'm thinking, like, why did you have to get your friend Ish's daughter a gift that all allude to sex sexuality at all? Right.

Or just get her something with like a rainbow flag on it or like any, I mean, it's, it's not that difficult to come up with a gift that is like fun and inclusive. But I do agree with you. the second she said I searched LGBT gift, I'm like, I wouldn't assume that those search results would be like good teen friendly. Yeah, right? So it's funny that she's just like, how would I, how could I have known? And it's so offensive that you're, you know, that you're like not appreciative of my bisexual gift.

And it's like, she's not, this has, I mean, trust me, we see enough housewives say enough problematic things. I have, um, I feel like we have to be pretty discerning at this point, but there was no part of Heather's issue to me that seemed at all, you know, discriminatory or, you know, straight, you know, founded in straight fragility. It's just like, this is really not what this is about. And it was kind of wild to watch the, the shift of Noella being so incredulous, and then Heather reads the cards, and Noel is horrified. And then, somehow two minutes later, Noella shifts back to being offended at Heather, you know,

coming for her. And it's like, you have to pick a lane. Right. I mean, I do think it was a bit of an exaggeration to have called it pornography because here's the thing. Like,

I feel like pornography, for something to be classified as pornography, you have to, it has to be intended to be pornography. Otherwise, one could in theory call anything pornography that they're turned on by or like, like, like,

the game. Wasn't it like a cards against humanity game? I think so. Yeah, I mean, it was, you know, a party card game, you know, yeah, I think pornography was a poor choice of words. I think it definitely was, you know, age inappropriate for, you know, a minor child. But, you know, in a way, I feel like it's kind of splitting hairs. Like, I think pornography was the wrong word. But in general, it's like, yeah, no, I'll just say, like, sorry, the game was inappropriate. Right, exactly. Like, you gave my daughter an inappropriate game. It was also, when Heather was reading what was on the cards, I was like, I wish they weren't bleeping this because I want to hear these words come out of fancy pants mouth. Well, and one of those sentences ends with credenza. And I'm like, where? I need the context there. I mean, my guess is there's like sex on a credenza. Like, what else would it be?

Yeah. Bleeping your bleep on a. Yeah. Before we finish up talking about O.C., we haven't mentioned. Dr. Jen at all. And I'm curious to kind of get a read from you. She seems to me the one who kind of has the least to do with the group. Like she kind of feels like a random figure to me. But she is clearly having some frustrations in her marriage. And she talks to Heather about this. I'm curious just kind of what your vibe is with Dr. Jen. Yeah. Dr. Jen sort of feels like a puzzle piece that got put back in the wrong box. You know what I mean? Like that's that like, like, is kind of how I feel about her. She doesn't seem to have any connection with really any of them

other than, you know, she kind of talked to Heather, but it didn't feel like a, it just felt like, oh, we're here, we'll talk, why not? You know, it doesn't feel that deep. Again, I don't, I question how deep Heather can get with anybody. And in terms of their marriage, I think there's kind of an interesting, like a bit of a non-traditional gender dynamic at play. And that's what we're witnessing. Like, I'm like, Jen is the breadwinner. she sort of takes on that traditional, you know, breadwinning male role, but she still, rightfully wants, like, wants her husband to almost treat her, like, the opposite of that. And I think about, like, some of her, some of her complaints, like, everything I do is for this

family. Like, I'm always seeing patients. I'm always, like, that was, like, my, like, how my dad used to talk. Like, everything I do is for this family. And, like, he, you know, like, and I, it just sort of, like, all rang like that to me. Like, sort of a classic struggle that people have when you, like, when you just, I don't know, she works a lot.

And it, none of it seems that salacious. It's just sort of like non-ideal. It's almost like, it's such a real issue that it's kind of unexciting in a way that it's like, yeah, like, sounds like something they should work through. Right. Yeah. It reminds me a little bit on Miami. it looks like next week particularly, we're going to see some friction between Lisa and Lenny

kind of about her role. And I mean, I think anytime you have a relationship dynamic where one person is, you know, the breadwinner is working and the other person is not, I think that's going to be something you kind of have to work through. And Heather tells her that, you know, that she and Terry have had issues with this in the past and that you have to come to an agreement. But it is like a little concerning, questionable to me that they've gotten to this point in their, you know, situation and haven't really figured it out. It's like they have like kids together that aren't super young. They've been together for a long time. Like, you know, you should kind of have a system that works. Well, my guess is that they probably just like went along with their lives and just like

dealt with it. And it probably is one of those things where just like resentment builds a little bit little here, a little there, and then the show is what is forcing them to talk about it. But what I thought was weird, just one slightly, she has a tumor on her foot and yet she's walking on the treadmill to feel better. Like, wait, like, I didn't understand that physically. I couldn't think too much about that because I don't know. I was really just waiting for an explanation, but it never came. Yeah, and she called it her physical therapy and maybe she did some other stuff that we didn't see, but I'm like, okay. If she doesn't come back next season, I would be like, okay. That's... Right. And they're, so... I assume they're filming their

reunion kind of any day now. And I'm thinking through, like, going into the reunion, kind of what everyone has to deal with. And I'm like, does Dr. Jen really have any, anything that's going to be pressing at the reunion? I can't really think of anything. So that's not a good sign. She has no connection to anybody. Like, you would think, that in the Heather versus Noella, she would maybe fall somewhere, but she doesn't. Speaking of the reunion, do you think slash do you want Nicole Weiss at the reunion? I think she should come for like a minute. I don't think she will, though. I think she should be one of those like, we will bring Nicole out and talk about. But Terry should be there too, I think.

Okay. But I don't think, I don't predict that she will because I think she stopped filming. So my guess is she's not filming. Yeah, they should, I think they should get her there. This episode is brought to you by Prime. Obsession is in session. And this summer, Prime Originals have everything you want. Steamy romances, irresistible love stories, and the book to screen favorites you've already read twice. Off campus, L, every year after, the love hypothesis, Sterling Point, and more.

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calling 911, there's like three cops in Montauk. Like you're going to wrap them up in the fact that Julia had too much to drink. And it's like she was, she at one point took a shot of olive oil. Like, yeah, her stomach's fucked. Like, what do you mean? Right. She's drinking, she's like eating pickles, drinking olive oil, like along with all the alcohol. It's like, yeah, like, you're going to feel gross the next day. That's what happens. Right. Also funny was like the panic of Larsa being like, can my event not go on because like Julia's hung over. It's like the events on the roof, no one's even coming. No one was there. Right. So I had kind of forgotten leading into this episode that ostensibly the whole point of this trip is that it's a work event for Larsa. Obviously, you know,

Larsa is not the least self-centered person in the world. And so it really is great. The juxtaposition of, you know, Julia looking like she's on her deathbed. And then Larsa being like, Yeah, it really sucks that Julia's so sick because this is a big day for Larson Marie. Right. It's also like Julia's just, I get that some of them did say this in their confessionals, but like the way they were acting, like Nicole was like, should we call? She calls it. It's like, she's fine.

Like last night she was talking about how she's the best drinker ever because she's Russian. Like let her just let her just get over it. Like you don't need to hold her hair. Sure, it's nice that you hold her hair back. But, like, she's okay. She's really fine. I was texting Chris, Fat Carrie Bradshaw about this this morning. And I was like, if I was hungover like that and my friends behaved in the way that all of these women did, I would be so angry at them.

I'm like, can you all sit the fuck down and just like chill for a second? Leave me alone. Let me sleep. I mean, getting an IV shirt, that's nice. You know, maybe she needed like a little bit of a hangover treatment. but an EKG, come on. Right. And they acted when she came down at night, like, oh, she's risen from the dead.

Like, she's fine. Like, it's just so absurd the amount of drama. Like, if I were in that house, I would have been like, bitch, just let her go to bed. And they're, like, consulting Nicole because she's a doctor. And then Nicole's getting frustrated when other people have advice because it's like, you know, Alexia didn't go to medical school. Like, let me do my thing. And it's like, you don't even need to do your thing. Right.

Right. None of you need to be in this room. Adriana wanted to get for Xanax. It's like, what is happening? Wait, can we talk about Adriana and Julia just a minute? Let's do it. Yeah. The friend engagement. Okay. That was so weird. And like, at one point, I did want to blame this more on Adriana since, like, Julia's married. But Julia's the one who got down on one name gave a friendship ring in public.

And also on Watch what happens live. Larsa said that she thinks that Adriana is madly in love with Julia and she doesn't know how Martina handles it. It was just weird how she like went downstairs during the lunch, like check on her. She's calling Martina to like let her know. It's like she can text her own wife, you know? Right. I feel like we've all, we've all been that person where there's somebody that we have a crush on

or like is the person that we're talking to and you want every, you want to make it clear that they're like that you're kind of the one paying attention to them. And in this case, it's like, no, she has a wife at home. Like, she's fully off the market. I went back to watch season one of Miami. And in the first episode, Adriana makes a joke about, like, I don't remember the exact where I was like, I should have gone lesbian or like, at least I didn't go lesbian. And I was like, if I hadn't been watching this season and seen this whole plot line, I would

never have even like clocked that. But I just thought it was very interesting. It doesn't feel like they're doing this for television, is what I'll say. I agree. like we're sort of, we're sort of hitting on something that already is there and the cameras are capturing it. And, you know, it's, it's a little weird. I want to talk about Larsa's launch event because Julissa tells her that there are 25 people who have RSVP'd. It wouldn't surprise me if that includes the cast members. And the cameraman. Because we see about four other people who we have,

that we don't recognize. I mean, I understand her strategy of going more for influencers and people that she knows are going to be helpful to her rather than just inviting a lot of randos. But I do feel like this is one of those things where I'm like, no, this event is like solely for the show. And I don't believe that really that much came out of it. Also, Larsa talking about the brand. And there was one thing she showed, like those diamond.

earrings that were like $5,400. I'm like, you can buy those exact earrings on ring concierge for way less. Like, it's just... I looked at her website. The jewelry is really pretty, but I was surprised... I was surprised how expensive her, like, lowest price point. Because the lowest thing is like a few hundred dollars. And I don't...

I don't think of Larsa as somebody who has a background in jewelry or like an expertise in jewelry. And so I would expect kind of a celebrity brand. from that perspective to be a little bit more of, you know, everyday price point. But, you know, if it's doing, she's on Harper's Bazaar, Vietnam, so good for her. Oh, I didn't even catch that that was Vietnam. But no, I, yeah, I don't know who was going to buy that price point from her when you could buy that price point from literally any designer brand or any fine jewelry brand that's just,

or you could just pay a jeweler to make you whatever the fuck you want for that much. Like that's how I always feel about celebrity brands that unless it's something that I feel like is truly a unique product, I'm not going to pay a premium for the person's name. So it's like if I'm if I'm in the market to spend $2,000 on a bracelet, why would I be going to Larson Marie? Right. You could right. Exactly. You could just go somewhere and you could buy the exact same thing. That's jewelry doesn't unless it's, you know, design or jewelry and you know, unless it's a Chanel. earrings. Right. Just getting like a just getting like a gold bracelet with like a couple diamonds on it isn't something that Larsa has invented. Yes, totally. Own it all. Pay off your home, travel for life, drive a Ferrari. In celebration of the world premiere of the Monopoly Big Board Buckslot machine by Aristocrat Gaming, Yamava Resort and Casino at San Manuel is giving one person a $1.6 million dream package. The biggest prize in Yamava's history. Club Serrano members can earn daily instant prizes and secure a spot in the finale May 29th.

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So first, before we get into it, tell me how you feel about Nicole so far this season, because I've really enjoyed her. I think she is out of the three new housewives. I think she kind of has cemented her place in the group the best. I agree. I think she holds her own the best. I think she brings like a she knows who she is and she's not trying to like play a role. She's not playing something up. I think the fact that she has slowly trickled out information about how much money she has is very telling because most of them come on and they're like, ah, Gucci, Fendi. It's like she's not like that, which I appreciate, which makes me think her money is real. But I'm also like, I've become hesitant to like any new housewife too much too quickly because then you get a Jenny situation and you're like, oh, shit, I was burned. You're taking the Vicki Gunvelson approach. You never like the new girl.

I think that watching Housewives in general has changed kind of the way I speak about reality characters and like, do I like them or not? Because I just feel like we're always like, yeah, I like so and so or I hate so and so. And it's like my feelings about them are so much more complex and driven by the editing that it's hard to like the stand culture around housewives, I think is just, it's dangerous. I am like the biggest proponent of enjoying the show and evaluating situation by situation and not really, not really choosing sides when it's not necessary and kind of just, you know, as somebody who. you know, watches all of these shows, first of all, because I like them, but also as part of my job, and I have to watch them, and I have to talk about them, and I have to have opinions. It doesn't benefit me to be like, you know, well, Teresa's my favorite, and anybody who tries to come for her, I automatically hate because you don't know where these shows are going to go.

You don't know what the storylines are going to be down the road. And so for me, it's always more interesting to just kind of take each moment as it comes. And with somebody like Emily on OC, a year ago, I was like, if they're doing a reboot, why not just get rid of her? And this season, she's one of my favorites. And so I definitely am totally on that side of just kind of like chilling out a little bit and letting the show happen before you make a decision on kind of whose side you're on. Right. It's also like we don't know these people. So number one, it's like you're, what makes a good housewife,

is not necessarily someone who you like respect and they're so likable and like nice. You can like a housewife because they are good at being a housewife, which means that they have some unsavory traits typically. It also has made me just think about like people in general and how complex they are. And the way that if you are exposed to like one side of a person versus another, you really see, they really are. Bravo does an amazing job of bringing them into real life. as dynamic people who have flaws and, you know, parts of them that you really enjoy.

So that is something that I think whenever there's a new housewife, I'm always just wary of being like really into anybody. Yeah. But I enjoy watching Nicole a lot. Totally. And I think getting back to her issue with Marisol, I think we're seeing kind of the real side of Marisol, too, where she really, she believes with her whole heart. I am Miami. I grew up in this town. I know everyone. I'm kind of the arbiter of who said what and what's the real truth about this. And, you know, watching the show, not being in that world, we don't really get to know whether she is right. You know, we don't have all the information to say, actually, yeah, we know Marisol is telling the truth, but it's compelling to watch her sort of believe her

version of events so much. And I think that is why she and Nicole have such interesting tension. I will say something about Marisol that I do not believe of Nicole. Marisol runs the possibility of being like very delusional. And Nicole, I don't see that as much as her flaw. Like she may have other flaws, but I don't see that as her particular downfall. Also, Marisol, yeah, like, I saw what you mean when she was like talking about Jen's marriage and was like, oh, well, time will tell, time will tell. And it's like, do you know that there's a cheating situation? Like, what are you saying? I also think she has overdone her use of the cup in the interviews.

Right? Like, she's, it's, it's too much. Like, when you have a drink, it should be used strategically. Right. Every time she makes any kind of zinger, it's, yeah. And it's like, you get it like a couple times a season, maybe. Right. And she's like playing with it.

It's like, I'm not, I can't even listen to what you're saying. because you seem like you're acting. Yeah, I do think she is, I think she is a great friend of this season because we have seen her. The majority of her scenes, she's kind of been a little bit of a warrior for Alexia. And I think she has played that role well. But I was glad to see her get this one-on-one time with Nicole because I think they've kind of done this in front of the group. And now Nicole comes to her kind of really wanting to me. move forward and Marisol doesn't give her that. And, you know, I think this is kind of where Marisol's

ego is coming into play, where she's saying, you know, we can be cordial. Like, I don't really give a shit about you, to be honest, but I'm not going to say that I was wrong because I'm not going to say I was wrong. I simply won't. You're not going to get that from me. And so sort of now the ball is in Nicole's court because it's like a little bit of a Huppiegate situation where it's like, if you're not going to say that it was a lie, you can decide whether you still want to be cool with me or not, but like you're not getting anything else for me. And it's kind of like a little bit of a power play from Marisol to be like, I don't care if you want to be friends with me. You can decide. It's up to you. Right. It is definitely a power play.

It's interesting that they film this not knowing who they would be, like if they'd be a friend or full time. I don't know why they made Marisol a friend. I don't, like I was waiting for her to like maybe drop out a little bit to understand that better, but I just don't get it. Yeah. I mean, I will say we haven't really seen any personal storyline from Marisol this season, which, I mean, maybe they filmed some and then didn't, chose not to use it when she wasn't full time. But in terms of the full time cast, really everybody has given us, you know, some level. Obviously, Alexia is like carrying personal storyline on her back. But, you know, with Gertie and the stuff with Haiti and her, you know, charity event that she's about to have and all of that. And Nicole with her father and Julia

with her dynamic with Martina, which is, you know, as a tennis fan, I just like, I'm like, love. Yeah. It's still, every time Martina Navratilova is on the screen, I'm like, this is so strange. I do worry that they will separate based on this season. Like, I don't, Julia doesn't seem like a really good. I don't want to, like, judge Julia too harshly, but if Julia were my wife and I saw this, I'd be like, no. That's definitely a dynamic that I want some real updates on at the reunion because I'm not going to be, I don't know if I'd be satisfied if it's just like, oh, yeah, ha ha, everything's good.

Martina thought it was funny when she saw it on the show. It's like, no, I want a little bit of a explanation there. It's fucking weird. One more, just one more thing I have to call out. Gertie, I do not believe that she and her husband had sex in public. Like, I just don't. Like, and I will say, Gertie was my wedding coordinator. So I like know her.

This isn't based on me knowing her. It's based on like watching her conversations with her husbands and how quiet he is. And I just don't think they had. I just can't see it, like at all. That did feel a little. little bit to me, like, I'm going to get some... Pags of sand. Like, in this conversation about our, like, sexual fantasies, everybody else is kind of, like, doing a cop out and just saying, like, a celebrity they think is cute. And I'm going to,

like, tell a story and kind of get, get my screen time and whatever. I will say John Mayer is actually my agreed upon Hall Pass as well, Nicole. Yeah. We are dead and company fans. So, And I also for the same reasons that Nicole is into John Mayer. Like he's interesting. I was frustrated by the blowback Nicole got for that choice because I'm like, I don't think it's weird to think John Mayer is hot. Like I feel like that's a pretty common sentiment. No.

And he's like interesting. Like he always has like interesting creative stuff coming out. I mean, I hear he treated Jessica Simpson like shit and I'm, I plan to read her autobiography to read more about that. But but yeah, I mean, as a hall pass. Yeah, that was very, that was an interesting scene. It felt like Jordan Broy talking about like any broke the girl's nose. Oh, my God.

Yeah. It always, this is like a topic that they always come back to on these shows, the idea of, okay, everybody talk about your craziest sex story or your freak number or, you know, this is kind of a tried and true thing where we're all going to. going to go around the table and talk about ex-sexual prompt. And to me, it always kind of falls a little flat because there rarely are more than one or two people in a cast that really are going to engage with this topic in a meaningful way. And this cast especially, it's like, Larsa is not going to give us anything interesting. I mean, she's saying that she hooked up with this actor. Maybe it was Michael

B. Jordan. But honestly, I think Larsa has been a pleasant surprise for me this season, but she still is not going to be the person that is giving you all the tea you want. So it's kind of like, why are we even going there? I don't care. I don't care to hear Larsa be coy again. Yeah, I think Larsa is good because of her, like, name recognition and general status. But I don't think she's, like, the most entertaining, but she's sort of naturally at the top. She's not mid-level management, for sure. How much of season one have you watched so far? I finished season one, and now I'm literally about start season two, which I hear is epic. Season two is much better.

But the thing with Larsa was coming onto this season, and I think I probably said this in a past episode, I had really low expectations for her because she was only ever on one six-episode season, and then she disappeared from Bravo for 12 years or something. So I was really, it felt like stunt casting to bring her back, and I didn't know if she was really going to gel with the group. But it's her dynamic with Adriana that has really come back with, vengeance this season, I think has been super fun to watch. And I think she and Adriana are kind of the perfect low stakes enemies. Yeah, totally agree. I know I was just saying, like, I don't want to, like, pass too quick of judgment on housewives, but I think seeing Adriana, like, season one and now,

like, I think I, she's just not my taste, like, of all of them. But at the same time, I'm like, she is creating the best drama. And I think that that's good. So I'm happy to have her, on. I just, you know, I don't feel a connection to her, really. I like her. I think she's a good sort of messmaker. Her stuff with Julia, the season has gotten a little bit too much air time for me. I'm like, I get it. Like, I don't, it's not that interesting. I actually think it's a very interesting. I want to see them like doing more. I want to see like the worst of it with the two of them. I really do. Yeah, give me more of that. Maybe, maybe next week. I, I am curious. So we probably only have a couple more episodes of the season before the reunion.

But yeah, I feel like that that storyline with Julia and Adriana needs to come to some sort of climax. Right. I agree. I agree. Like they can't just like let that fade. Like there needs to be a beginning middle. Well, we know we're in the beginning and middle. But there needs to be an end to this or a continue, you know, again, I want to see Martinez

reaction because I don't know. I don't believe that they're playing this up for cameras. I don't believe that it's all driven by Adriana at all. Well, Sammy, thank you so much for joining me today to chat about all of this mess nonsense that's happening. Thank you for having me. It's been fun. Before we go, remind everyone where they can listen to you, follow you, et cetera. You know, I'm really everywhere on Instagram at Sammy S-A-M-I, on TikTok at Sammy Sage says. I just sort of talk about random shit. I have a daily podcast where I talk about news headlines and, like, made commentary and jokes about them.

That is the morning announcements. And if you want to hear more Bravo in Bravo conversation from me, Jordana, Aileen and I touch on Bravo a little bit on the At Betches podcast. So there's more Bravo to be found there. We talked about the Lisa Barlow hot mic moment just an hour ago. Oh, yes. I can't stop talking about it. I can't either.

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