Mention It All - Is OG RHONY Coming Back? Not So Fast (The Valley, RHOM)

Episode Date: August 8, 2025

On this Friday’s episode, Dylan kicks things off with a full breakdown of Carole Radziwill’s surprise return to WWHL. Does her squashed beef with Andy signal a coming RHONY announcement? Dylan has his doubts. From there, he recaps part two of The Valley reunion, where Jax continues to circle the drain, Jesse and Michelle both play a losing game, and Janet fails to make strategic improvements on the Danny front. Later, Dylan talks RHOM, and where the group stands after Stephanie’s game of PJ Musical Chairs. Go to the BravoByBetches YouTube page to watch full length episodes every Tuesday: Youtube.com/@BravoByBetches Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Betches Media presents. Ha ha. Laugh. Funny. Mention It All. A Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With me, Dylan Hafer.

We're going to check me, boo. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast. And thank you for tuning into another Friday episode. You know I love to be here. Catching up with me, myself, and I. And, of course, all of you at the end of the week. Recording this one a little bit early.

So we're not going to get into O.C. Today, but we have Miami to talk about. We have the Valley Reunion to talk about. We have Carol Radsawill. Unwatch what happens live to talk about. There's a bunch going on. It's an exciting time. The Las Culturistas Awards were this week.

You know, lots of fun tidbits coming out of that. Like our first teaser for The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City season six. I love that they've started doing this a little bit more over the last couple years on Bravo, where randomly they're not ready to drop like the full season trailer or the cast photos or tell us exactly when the season is premiering. But kind of just they'll give us a little breadcrumb or two. And you knew something was coming because the whole Real Housewives of Salt Lake City cast was at the Las Culturistas Culture Awards. They taped it last month. It aired on Bravo this week.

So when, you know, they're flying all those ladies out from Salt Lake City to, L.A. You know, they're, they're definitely not sitting in row 17C. Those tickets, those flights, those hotels, the glam, it's not cheap. You know that they're there for a reason. So we got this 30 second teaser. And I, I love that when they do this, it's usually something that is like completely not substantive to what's going on in the season. It's just like a little, a little fun bit of something. Like I remember for Winterhouse one year, they just showed us this teaser that was like, People in the snow. And it's like, oh, yay, they're in the snow on Winterhouse.

Imagine that. But the Salt Lake City teaser just, like, scratched to the itch because it's Mary and Meredith fly fishing, question mark. And Meredith seems into it. She's like, come on, fishies. And Mary is, like, upset about the fly fishing because she doesn't want to kill the fish. She's like, let me, let's do a little CPR. Let's do CPR on the fish. got to get his fins flapping.

You take him out and then you do CPR and then you throw them back in. And the like fly fishing guy, oh my God. Imagine being like the fly fishing outfitter that's hired to work with the housewives. I can't decide. I mean, for me, that would be the best day of my life because I would like, I would be like, oh my gosh, you're Meredith Marks of the Marks family. For him, he's probably doesn't know what hit him. Like imagine having to teach Mary Cosby to fly fish.

I don't really, I will say, I don't understand what fly fishing really means. Because I see people standing there in the water. I don't, there's a different technique, I guess. You're using a different, a fly is the bait. But I've gone fishing before where you're standing on the dock or you're in a little boat. And you're like, whee-heel, real, real, real, real. Oh, you wait and catch the fish. Like, I've done that.

It's not my favorite activity. My mom loves fishing. My mom loves it. She'll go on like a fishing trip. Not for me. To each their own. But fly fishing, like, what's the difference? You're just standing in the water?

I don't think I would like that. No, but I'm, it doesn't seem like Mary Caspi really likes it either. But I can't wait to see it. This was exactly what I needed to just whet my appetite a little bit. You know, Angie was on stage at the awards talking about how she doesn't have high body count dress or whatever. These ladies, they know what to do. Season six, it's going to come back this fall.

I don't know exactly when, but I can't wait to see it. Before we get into our big topics for today, I just want to give a little reminder that you can watch our Tuesday episodes on YouTube, our Bravo by Betches YouTube channel, YouTube.com slash at Bravo by Betches. Earlier this week, we had my good friend Abby Bonadies on our Tuesday episode. We talked about lots of stuff with Abby. We got into Kim Zolsiak. What's going on with NextGen?

She helped us break down the Kenny and Janae drama with Love Island USA. We talked about our favorite recent discovery on TikTok, this woman Shiva who does housewife spirit readings or whatever you want to call it. This diva doesn't have Instagram. Shiva, I commented on one of her posts. She responded in 30 seconds. I asked her if she had Instagram because I wanted to tag her. I wanted to give her all the love.

And she's got to get her content strategy. going. I really hope that this gives her a little bit of a boost. But no, she's doing great work over there. I think the last thing I saw her way in on, she was asking some questions about Kenny and Janae. Just A plus work over there from her.

But let's talk about Carol Radswell. Let's talk about Carol. Because this was the big news early in the week. Bowen and Matt, Las Cultureistas. They were on Watch What Happens Live, obviously, you know, talking about their awards show. And they gave them this little like

prompt to ask yes or no questions for 30 seconds and try and guess which housewife the answer was. Obviously, they didn't end up guessing, but the housewife was behind the door. Duh. I've, you know, I've seen this movie before. They're going to surprise them with the housewife. But when we figured out it was a New York housewife, I'm like, okay, it's going to be like, Lou Anne or Dorinda or like, you know, maybe they would do something gaggy and get Bethany to show up. or it's going to be like, you know, Jill's Aaron.

She just had her luxury luncheon. She's, you know, trying, getting attention, whatever. They don't need to get into that. But it was Carol. And Carol, when I saw people's response to seeing Carol on Watch What Happens Live in, in 2025, I almost feel like I had sort of forgotten how much bad blood and weirdness and tension there was in the water there. Because I was like, oh, fun, Carol.

And I think I thought that because Carol is like always up in some Instagram comments. She loves to leave her thoughts somewhere. She loves to fire off a comment on a random, like sometimes it's about housewives. Sometimes it's about Andy or Ramona or whoever. But sometimes she'll just be like in the comments of a random post about Jack Schlossberg, who's like, I guess her, you know, third step nephew or the relations in that thing. family. It's hard to keep track of. But Carol showing up and watch what happens live was truly unexpected because she just has so extricated herself from the kind of like Rony world. I mean,

think about it's, it's almost two years. It's going to be two years later this year since we saw the ultimate girls trip Roney legacy season. Carol was not there. She wasn't even like on the long list of people that would maybe have done it. And, you know, we don't see. her out and about much with some of these ladies. So seeing her was a surprise. It seems that she and Andy have kind of squashed their beef. That's nice to see. But I have maybe a bit of a hot take. Because I've seen in the wake of Carol's appearance a lot of chatter, again, renewed conversation about the idea of old Roney, Roney legacy, OG Rony, whatever you want to call it. And the fact that people are noticing and feeling like there's something in the water.

Like there's some impending development or announcement or show or something that's going to feed us with these OG Rony ladies. And my prediction with that is that there's not a damn thing happening. Because, okay, so Carol comes on watch what happens live. Andy's asking her if she keeps up with any of the Roney women. And the answer is no. people are picking through every word that she has said to act like there is momentum here. She says, I see Derinda occasionally a couple times a year because they have a mutual friend.

She says that Heather Thompson has moved to the Berkshires. So she sees her, I think she says, very occasionally. And she said, I haven't seen anybody else in eight years except for I ran into Ramona and Luann at a party. They were at the same party. and Andy's like, oh, well, did you talk to Luann? Because I know you guys have like, you know, beef or whatever. Luanne is always talking about Radzaville in her cabaret shows. It's a whole thing.

And Carol is like, oh, yeah, I talked to them. I kind of couldn't remember whether we hate each other or not. So I just went, you know, I said hi. And Ramona was like, I'm doing amazing. And I have a boyfriend and yada, yada, yada. And, you know, Luanne and I were kind of fell back into our, you know, weird dynamic. And I saw people framing this as like Carol has reconnected with Ramona and Luann. And it's like running into someone at a party and saying hi, does not mean you're back in

each other's life? And I cannot picture Carol like trying or pretending to be friends with these people again. She says that when she was talking to them, it felt like Ramona was filming a scene. And like that to me is not a good thing. Like it sounded like it felt kind of awkward and forced. And people are, you know, noticing and picking out that Ramona and Jill and Luann have all been spending some time together in the Hamptons this summer. Ramona and Jill are doing some kind of tennis match.

I think it's for charity, which like, if so, go off sis, as long as it's like a good organization. I don't have the details there. But like that's a, that's grasping at something that happened 18 years ago, 17 years ago. 17 years ago, a tennis match between Ramona and Jill, that's not like, oh yeah, we're getting the graying back together and we're going to be greenlit for peacock before you know it. I just don't, I don't think there's any there there. I think that Carol coming back on was a fun moment.

I think that Bowen and Matt were good guests to do it with. They appreciated the magnitude of Carol stepping back into that clubhouse, but I, people have now, I've noticed in the last week or so, people are digging around for what could be a big announcement to expect at BravoCon this year. We're a few months away. BravoCon's in November. People now are saying there's going to be some Rony announcement at BravoCon. I've seen people guessing that there's going to be an announcement about the future of New Jersey at BravoCon. None of this is confirmed. None of this is sourced. It's just ideas and guessing. about things that could be coming down the pipeline.

Now, I think that some sort of New Jersey news, to me, sounds more likely than a OG Roney Legacy development. Because the thing is, with Roney Legacy, like, they did it. They tried it. They did Girl's Trip, and it wasn't that great. And I feel like, to me, I feel like there's less momentum now than there was a couple years ago to have those women back together doing something. You know, Ramona has, you know,

stepped in the shit of her own making and been problematic a few too many times for me to be clamoring for her to be back on my screen. Sonia seems to be, who knows where. She sold the townhouse. I don't know where she's living or how she's paying for where she's living or what the situation is there.

I don't think these women are seeing her. Carol's not a part of this group. I don't, you know, there's, there isn't a group. And I don't know. I can't see it happening. I can't see the network really choosing to invest there. I don't know what's going to happen with actual Rony. You know, maybe Dorenda makes an appearance.

Maybe she doesn't. Who knows? But, no, I don't know. I think people are, are really, it's an exciting moment. And I think that's all it is. And we'll see. You never know where Carol Rats will, pop up next. But it'll probably be

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And you've had enough of shopping from your couch. Done hoping it looks anything like the picture when you tear up on that envelope. It's time for a little in-person. Spring Treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. Let's talk about the Valley Reunion. The Valley Reunion. Now for a second season show, this is their first reunion. They are getting three parts out of the gate. I don't think I realized watching last week that it was three parts and not two. And, you know, after watching the second part, they really earned this. They have a lot of, a lot of juice to squeeze and they're they're really going for it. And, you know, the thing with reunions is that

sometimes there's just stuff on a reunion that doesn't quite pop or doesn't quite strike my interest quite as much. And I will say, like, I don't know exactly, like with the Michelle and Jesse stuff. At a certain point, they're just hitting the tennis ball back and forth at each other as hard as they can, the tennis ball being cheating accusations in this case. And it's a little bit like at a certain point, if both of you are accusing each other of similar or, you know, adjacent things and you're both stringently denying it and there aren't going to be receipts or conclusive evidence or, you know, admittance to any of the accusations, it's a little bit like, at what point do we kind of just be like, okay, we got to move on?

Because we're not getting any clarity there. And do I believe some of the things that are being said? Yeah, probably, because I don't think all of this stuff would come out of nowhere. You know, Jesse is adamant that he would never cheat because the one thing he can't stand is a cheater. And Michelle's response to that is like, oh, well, that's funny. because right after I told you that I wanted to divorce, you were sleeping with a married woman. And he's saying, oh, well, she had been divorced for 25 years. And Michelle's like, no, she's married.

Somebody is telling the truth. This mystery woman that Jesse was hooking up with either was married or she's not. And I actually am a little confused or surprised, I guess, or I don't know, why neither of them have come up with more receipts? And I hesitate to say that because I don't love to watch a reunion that's just people looking up text messages and finding screenshots and showing things to Andy that he's not actually going to be able to do anything with. But it does just seem like there are so many accusations being hurled back and forth with no kind of meat on the bone. And so it's a little draining to me. you know, there is the big question, or at least one of them, is whether Michelle cheated with Aaron

while before she had separated from Jesse. And Michelle is adamant that she didn't. She has admitted to cheating with someone else prior to that. And again, when we actually dig into this, it's all kind of semantics and opinion-based because Jasmine, which I don't know, Jasmine being the one involved in this seems random, but she's like, well, do you think that maybe you had an emotional affair with Aaron? Like, maybe you didn't cheat, cheat, but what if you emotionally cheated? And Jesse's like, yeah, because when we were in Hawaii, he told me that you guys were having these conversations where he talked about his love life situation and you talked about wanting to get separated from me.

So that's emotional cheating. And I don't know if emotional cheating is something that there's like a dictionary definition of, but I do feel like Jesse is using like the kind of the broadest definition of it. Because like if she was, I mean, obviously it's different because it's a man that she ended up dating. I think that's kind of coloring the situation. but having somebody that you feel a closeness to that you are confiding in about the problems in your marriage and your thoughts about potentially getting separated, if you just made that a woman that she was confiding in, you wouldn't say, oh, that was emotionally cheating.

You would say, oh, that person is someone that you really trusted and you felt like was a safe space. And again, I see why for Jesse because she ended up dating him and saying that he was better than her, better than him and all of this stuff that he feels like that type of way about it. But if I just saw that on paper, I'm like, I don't know if that's emotional cheating. Because at least if you're believing Michelle's version of events, which again, who knows, nobody's proving anything, she's not saying, oh, I told him that I wanted to get separated and date him instead. That, to me, would be crossing the line. But we just don't know. And I don't think we ever will. I do like getting into some of the details about the accusations that they have thrown around in

terms of like money and, you know, business and stuff like that. Jesse, when they're talking about emotional cheating, he's like, I do think that's, you know, wildly inappropriate. And Michelle's response, she goes, wildly inappropriate. You told our class, that you wanted to eat her out. Oh. I clutched my pros a little bit. Jasmine's like, make that sale, girl. Come on.

Like, did that happen? Who knows? We'll never know. Andy asks the question that we all had our mind. Michelle, I want to know about the gay guy that was selling Jesse money on his birthday. And the explanation for that is like so basic seemingly. Jesse's like, yeah, this was like a friend of ours and we had stayed at his house multiple times. And so like, you know, we all send.

each other money for various different things and I happen to get money on my birthday. And Michelle's like, I'm not going around texting people that you're a fucking whore. Just a lot of, a lot of animosity. A lot of animosity. Jesse does say now that he never believed the thing of Michelle sleeping with a billionaire for $1,500 a night. He's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I texted it to the boys chat when I was mad.

And then immediately I thought I shouldn't have texted it. So then I claimed that I was only texting it so I could smoke out of the mole from the group. And then Danny turned out to be the mole. So mission accomplished. I never want to hear about the boys chat again. That is what I will say. It's just nothing good happens in the boys chat. Let's shut it down.

Let's be done. The first half of the episode, I jumped ahead a bit. Jax and Brittany continued from last week. Tough stuff. tough stuff. Jack's is kind of, he's in this continuous place of like getting close-ish to taking accountability for stuff, admitting some of the stuff he's done wrong, sort of really like leaning into some of his flaws, but then kind of the crucial moment framing something in a way

that makes it seem like he maybe doesn't actually understand or hasn't grown that much. because he's, you know, so in this bag of like, uh, I'm the worst. I'm a terrible, you know, yeah, I'm a piece of shit. I'm the worst person ever. I get it. I get it. I get it. And then if Andy's like, okay, but then why do you start? So why do you start a fight? And he's like, well, I start the fights because I, I don't know. I second, I, you know, we'll have a fight. And then the next day I'm like, oh, but maybe I don't want a divorce. And so then I start a fight because I need the control. And it's like, right. So you're acknowledging like the toxic thought process that you're going through is a good step. But then if the end conclusion is,

and so that's why I pick a fight with my soon-to-be ex-wife, it's like, no, no, no, that, you explaining where your mental state was at doesn't, isn't a reason for the behavior. And that seems to be where he is like not quite making a lot of progress yet. That when he's, he's, he'll be, explaining how things have gone down and sort of gloss over the most concerning parts. He's like, oh, well, you know, I felt like I wasn't, you know, I was struggling and I was in rehab and I felt so bad and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So then when I was watching on the camera and Brittany was yada, yada, yada, and it's like, watching on the camera is the problem.

It's great that you're saying that you, you know, are X many days sober and you're happy to take a drug test and whatever. I need you to delete Brittany's ring camera app from your phone. Because at a certain point, and I think Brittany is starting to get to this point, whatever Jacks needs to work through in terms of going to therapy, focusing on his sobriety, you know, dealing with his anger issues, whatever has happened, you know, to make him do this stuff. That's his business.

And that's something that he needs to. to continue to work on regardless of what's going on with his relationship with Brittany, regardless of, you know, what they're doing to be good parents to cruise. Jacks has stuff to work on on his own. And if I'm Brittany in that situation, at a certain point, I'm like, great, I hope you're doing that work for yourself. I hope that you're doing that work to be a good father to cruise. I hope that you're doing that work so you can, like, move on and live a good life,

but, like, leave me out of it. And Jacks needs to find outlets or tools or something. So when he's having a bad day, he doesn't resort to rage texting Britney or belittling her on the phone or going through her trash or showing up at her house or all of these things that he basically is like, well, yeah, that's why I went through her trash because it was, I was fucking hard and it's hard to sit at home alone and blah, blah, blah, blah. And how do you think I feel? And it's like, right.

So like, your feelings are valid. And Kristen kind of says that she's like, she's like, well, talk to me. We don't want you to be doing this stuff. And he's like, but I feel like you hate me. And she's like, yeah, because you're ruining my friends, you know, whole existence. And so I think that Jack's being off the show, and I don't want to sound, you know, naive about this because I don't know that I believe that Jacks is like truly capable of doing a lot better. But I hope that being off the show will allow him to sort of, or maybe force him to sort of like remove Brittany from the equation in a lot of the work that he's doing. Because he's stuck in this place.

You know, and he's asking if he's still in love with her. And he's like, that's a tough question right now. Can we move on? And he's like, okay. So if you love her, why do you hurt her? And he's like, next question. Next question. Got to move on.

Like, if you don't want to talk about this, then you also shouldn't be involving her in your journey for better or for worse. It's over. It's over. And when he's like, oh, it's so hard, do you know how hard it is to sit at home alone? And Brittany's like, yeah, I'm sitting at home alone with our baby hoping that you don't come crashing in and ruin my day. Do you know how hard that is?

He just, the, like, the selfishness. And you can tell, I mean, Brittany still wants him to get better because they're talking about going to rehab and how he was like crashing out and texting her and all of this. And she's like, you constantly blame me for ruining your life. But don't you think I did the right thing by. forcing your hand to go to rehab to get help to, you know, work on yourself. And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But then he's also like, oh, fuck my life, man.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Fuck my life. He just can't, he can't get out of this place of, like, putting himself in the victim role. And even when he says, like, I get it, I get it. Brittany's the victim. I know, I don't believe him that he believes that.

But yeah, I mean, that's kind of all show you. He gets mad at Zach for kind of like chiming in. He's like, shut up, peanut gallery. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Zach's a chimer. First of all, I like, I like that thing. Calling someone a chimer. I might take that.

I kind of like that because sometimes it's just like, shut up. But no, I mean, I think in this situation, I mean, obviously Brittany and Jacks have their personal stuff. But like, this dynamic has impacted everyone in this group. And Zach has been friends with Brittany since before she knew Jack. Kristen has been friends with both of them for a super long time. Everybody in this group, to varying degrees, has seen and dealt with and been impacted by the nuclear fallout of this relationship.

And, you know, this is Jack's last stand on the show. I don't know if he knew this when he was taping the reunion. He certainly had an inkling because he was dragging out their divorce proceedings to try and get alimony from her over it. But this is the time. this is the place. Zach is probably like, I don't, this might be the last time I'm ever in the same room as Jacks Taylor,

God willing. And so, you know, at a certain point, it's like, yeah, the peanut gallery does have a role to play in the reunion. And, you know, the chymers, it's kind of their time. Chimers rise up. We do, we dig into Janet and Kristen in this reunion. The Janet and Kristen stuff, it's interesting to me.

You know, Kristen is very upfront. She says the Janet I was friends with before the show. is not the same person who's on the valley. She's like, on the valley, you're like a little bit of Stasi, a little bit of the Lala, kind of the Sheena. It's like, sorry, can we not put this in Vanderpump terms. Like, I don't want to go back. I don't want to think about what Stasi and Lala combined would look like.

That would be a lot to handle. But Jason is like, Jason is like, give me an example. I want a reason. Tell me, 80% of the time when I watch the show, you're talking about my wife when you're on camera. And the example that is given is Sheena's Mexican dinner where she's like, Kristen is like, Janet was bringing up stuff that I said in the past and it was like messy just to be messy. And, you know, I think that's Janet's kind of overall issue. And, you know, later when they're talking about the Danny and Nia stuff, it's like, Janet just struggles with kind of like minding her own business and understanding when she's, you know, She has kind of, you know, I think on a show like this, minding your own business is not always the best route to go. We don't always like when people mind their own business.

In fact, I love sometimes when people meddle in others' business. But I think Janet kind of, maybe we should give her like a coupon system where like, you know, sometimes it's like kids for like Mother's Day or whatever will make their mom like a little like fake coupon book where it's like, one breakfast in bed. One foot rub, one, you know, massage or whatever. Janet should get coupons for next season where it's like, okay, you're using your one opportunity to bring up something that Kristen did three years ago. Okay, you're cashing in the coupon. Now you don't get to do it again. Oh, the coupon book has a spot for bringing up Danny Darko or Darkside Danny or whatever we're calling him today. Okay.

But if you're using your coupon now, you don't get to do it six episodes for now. Janet, I think, just doesn't quite know when to leave it alone. And this is kind of the thing that's coming up that later, you know, when Danny is talking about the situation that happened with Jasmine, I think Jasmine has a very, a very valid point there where she's, you know, frustrated at kind of the way that Danny responded to her bringing it up, you know, at that white party. And then he was like, ah, we're doing this again. Like, yeah, That's a shitty way for somebody to enter a conversation that to you, you know, to Jasmine, she probably has put a lot of thought into this and has, you know, stressed about it.

And she's saying that she feels like Melissa didn't kind of get the appropriate amount of, you know, apology and acknowledgement. Whereas if something had happened with one of the other women in the group, that their husband or partner would have been, you know, central to that. That it would have been like, oh, my God, if I did something. something to Kristen, you would really have to like make amends with Luke as well. And I think for Jasmine, she kind of was frustrated about that. And then Janet just kind of enters the fray. And she can't, she just can't quite, she can't quite latch on to the fact that like,

maybe right now isn't the time. Maybe you just need to like sit back and, and listen a little bit. and Danny and Nia kind of explained this and, you know, they're like, it's, it was annoying that Janet kept being the one bringing it up, not Jasmine. They're very clear that Nia's like, Jasmine, bring it up whenever you want, I promise. It's okay. And Jason is like, Danny, you're a clown, dude. You're a clown. And then Janet does drop her bomb at the end of the episode that she says, well, it wasn't just the time on Halloween. You've done it multiple times to multiple women as recently as the Super Bowl. The Super Bowl is like, now why am I in it? The Super Bowl catching strays. Again, we have one more part of this reunion. We end on this cliffhanger with the Super Bowl Danny accusation. I'm very curious to see whether Janet has brought receipts or specifics or some kind of backup because this feels like a big thing to throw out there with no context.

But it's not great. I mean, if Danny is doing these things and if this is a pattern that is still continuing, even after he has been raked over the coals for it on the show and it's become public, like, that's bad. And obviously, like, I want to be so clear, like, he shouldn't fucking be doing that. And if he is and has continued to, like, that is, to me, fair game to address. But I think that Janet, like, has already sort of dug herself into a hole that now I, I worry that even if she has legitimate things to bring to the table and, you know, even if her

information is correct, it's hard because now anything that she brings up is going to be viewed through this lens of, oh, here comes Janet again. Needling, needling, needling, needling. Fan it has like another, you know, theory. And I don't like to see serious discussions kind of filtered through that lens of like, oh, this girl has it out for me, so she's going to throw another thing my way. Serious stuff deserves to be handled in a serious manner. And I don't know that Janet is quite capable of that at this point based on, you know, her own past behavior and kind of the way that she is now viewed by a lot of people in the cast. I don't know. I don't know. We'll see, part three. I'm excited to see how they close out the season. A lot of good momentum on the valley.

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So you catch that on Tuesday. No, but Adriana, you know, she tells Lisa as they're like, they're like getting a drink while her dog is getting neutered or so. I don't know. I can't keep up with what these women are doing for activities. But she's like, you know, I do think I have some regrets about my behavior on the boat. It was a little bit of a lapse in judgment. And Lisa's like, yeah, you think, yelling about bony knees and cubic serconia rings. I love Adriana. But Marisol, you know, they haven't been. on the great foot, but Marisol is having this preppy lunch, and she did invite Adriana. And Adriana's like, I don't know if I really feel like I was invited. She kind of just sent a group text and it's like, well, let me tell you. If Marisol didn't want you there, she would have deleted

your ass from that group text so fast. So you take it where you can get it. Go to the lunch. It's going to be fine. Well, maybe. You know, Julia and Marisol are at lunch. And Marisol is mad at Adriana for giving her red flags at the narcissism events. The thing with the narcissism event, and I talked about this a little bit with Adriana, there's no like not messy way to do that game. The whole point is that you're talking shit about people to their face in this like messed up way of giving them the narcissism red flags. Okay, so if Adriana had given her flags to Lisa, who already had 55 flags in every category,

that would have been better? For Marisol, I guess, I don't know. To be it's like, let's not pretend that game was, um, was any less, uh, shady than it was. Um, but Julia, you know, she's like, well, I, I don't have an issue with Adriana. The only person that can ruin my friendship with Adriana is Adriana. And I told her that. It's up to her. I don't know. And then Julia says that a, uh, the ship has sailed for a friendship with Gertie, but they can

still be cordial. But the big thing that they have come up with is that. you know, Alexia needs something to feel better about. So what do you do when you need to feel better? Girls trip to Seville, obviously, duh. And so the rest of this episode, more or less, is kind of the machinations of what are we going to do for this trip to Seville?

They call Alexia, Julia, and Marisol, and they're like, we know you love Spain, so how about we go to Spain to make you feel better? And they're on the phone. Alexi's like, perfect. perfect, perfect. I just need to be back by November 18th because Todd's birthday is November 19th. Oh, my pour favor. Alexia. Fuck Todd's birthday. Who cares? Marisol says there's no talking about Todd on the trip, which like respectfully, good luck with that. I don't believe it for a second, but it is like this,

the dynamic this season with what is going on with Todd and Alexia, I'm really what. By the end of the season, going into the reunion, they're taping their reunion this week, I think Thursday, so like yesterday when you're listening to this, are we going to get clarity on what Alexia is doing with Todd? Because there has been the yo-yo this season of this man has ruined my life. I'm crying about it. I'm being rallied around with support by all of my friends who are, you know, I'm seeing the light about how poorly he has treated me and all of this. And then the casualness with which she is back with him in some capacity. Oh, yeah, we hung out last night. Oh, I have to be home for his birthday. Imagine if that was your friend.

And you had just been at this, you know, lunch where you're like sobbing together about how she needs to get out of this cycle and take back her life and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then she's like, oh, yeah, like, remind me the dates so I can be home to celebrate this man. I just want the best for her. No, but so, you know, Julia brings up the Seville trip when she's at dinner with Stephanie. And it's a girl's trip, so there's no men allowed. And Martina's like, well, can I come? And Julia's like, Martina has to babysit the boys.

First of all, babysit. You adopted these kids together. I don't care that she's 68 or whatever. Don't fucking say that it's babysitting. That is your child. they're sharing the responsibility, but also like, oh my God, Martina on the girl's trip. I can't imagine anything I want to see less.

I don't want to see Julia on the girl's trip, to be honest. But Julia brings up Steph's tension with Alexia, and she's like, I think it'll be fine. You'll just work it out on the trip. It'll all be good. You'll just nip it in the bud, ASAP. Steph isn't sure. But no, we go to Marisol's preppy lunch,

and everybody's really trying to get back on the same page before they go to Spain. And part of this, part of this. is figuring out who is going to go on Stephanie's plane. Because her plane is big, but apparently not big enough for everybody. And of course, I mean, this is great. So, you know, obviously Larsa's going to go on the plane. Obviously, you know, she invites Julia on the plane.

And then there's one seat left on the plane. Kiki's going to go on the plane. Whatever. There's one seat left on the plane. She offers it to Marisol. Marisol says, no, I can't leave my bed. friend. So if there's not room for Alexia on the plane, there's not room for Marisol on the plane. So then, as Stephanie and Alexia are talking, working through their differences, talking about

who's a Rottweiler, who's a Chihuahua, who's barking, yada, yada, yada, it's not going great. Steph's idea of an olive branch is explaining to her. There's one seat left of the plane, Marisol didn't want to go without you, so I would like to offer it to do. You, you, Alexia. You may have the seat on the plane. I was like, what's going on? Alexia's like what's going? She's like, wait, wait, wait.

So Marisol don't want to go on the plane without me. I don't want to go on the plane without Marisol. I'm good. Thank you. I love, you know, the women are like peeking into this like guest pool house that they're having this argument in. Messy, messy, messy. So then we go back out to the table.

There's still one seat on the plane. Who wants the last seat on this PJ? God damn it. Stephanie's like, I can't imagine why anybody would not want to be on the private plane for a transatlantic flight, no less. I have heard people say, though, you know, this is out of my tax bracket. This is not a problem I've encountered. I have heard people say that being for a long haul flight, being first class on a commercial flight is actually sometimes more comfortable than being on a private plane because you're not going to have a lie flat seat. on the private chat, I don't think. If there's not room for, what, eight ladies, certainly not lie flat seats.

So something to consider, Stephanie, maybe you haven't flown commercial in a while. But no, so then she offers it to Adriana. Adriana is going to get the last seat on the plane. And she's like, no, actually, Kiki gives up her seat. She's like, well, then Adriana feels some type of way because she's like, I'm having my friendship issues with Julia. And here I see Marisol and Alexia.

showing each other the utmost loyalty. I mean, imagine going more above and beyond than giving up your seat on the private plane so you can be with your friend. Meanwhile, I just got offered a seat on the plane, and Julia has had a seat on the plane this whole time. So now I feel like my friendship with Julia is not the same as Alexei's friendship with Marisol

because Julia is happy to go on the plane without me. She didn't give it a second thought. the game of chess that is being played about this flight, we're probably not even going to see the flight. I do think there's a lot of things up in the air going into this trip to Seville. I mean, I glided right over the fact that Gerti said that Marisol and Alexia are like a cult. Kiki told Maris saw this. And Alexia is just like, no, I find that offensive.

Who's Gertie to say that we're a cult? What is a cult? What is a cult? I mean, Alexan Marisol, it's not a cult, but it's not the least culty thing. They do, you know, you got to kind of get in line. Julia, Julia is, she's having to play by the rules if she wants to be close with Alexan Marisol. No, but that's kind of, that's kind of where we're at with Miami. We're headed to Seville. I'm excited to see this trip. We're midway through the season. It's kind of early for the big cast trip, though I do know they go on the cruise later. so lots of time left to go. But that's going to do it for us this week.

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