Mention It All - Is Real Housewives of Miami Over For Good? Plus Summer House, Southern Charm, & Mormon Wives Mess

Episode Date: March 20, 2026

It’s been a whirlwind week in the world of reality TV, and Dylan kicks things off by asking the tough questions about the reported cancelation of Real Housewives of Miami. How are we deciding which shows are a success in the streaming era? He also weighs in on the growing scandal surrounding Taylor Frankie Paul and The Bachelorette, and what it means for MomTok. Then, he recaps the latest episodes of Summer House and Southern Hospitality, which both feature important conversations about navigating racial dynamics in the public eye. Later, Dylan discusses Ladies of London, the Southern Charm reunion, and the latest cult convo around Amanda Frances on RHOBH. Go to the BravoByBetches YouTube page to watch full length episodes every Tuesday & Friday: Youtube.com/@BravoByBetches Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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See Home Depot.com slash price match for details. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to mention it all. I'm excited to be here today. It feels good at the end of a hectic week to just to just have a little catch-up. You know, we've got lots of Bravo stuff to talk about, some good, some bad, some, maybe somewhere in between, you know, we're going to get into it. We're going to, you know, just let the good times roll. Lazzay-Labontobrullet, as Ashley Laudette, as Ashley Darby might say at a Real House of Potomac Reunion. Before we get into it, though, I just want to plug our Tuesday episode that came out earlier this week with Kate Chastain.

If you're not watching House of Villains this season, she is currently in that household. But we talked a lot about traitors. We talked about Below Deck. A little bit about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, I think. Kate's a prolific Bravo viewer. So it was fun to catch up with her. She's never been on the show before. so it was a good, you know, like a wide-ranging conversation.

You can listen to that wherever. You can watch it on Spotify or on YouTube. YouTube.com slash at Bravo by Betches. And we've got, you know, more fun stuff coming out. So make sure you're subscribed. In the meantime, some news that we got yesterday. And all I have to say is, I, por favor. Because Real Housewives of Miami is reportedly being put on

pause. Maybe even a long pause. Maybe I don't even want to say it, but maybe even a permanent pause. Because this show, remember, was on pause for about eight years. And then it was resurrected like the ashes, like a phoenix from the ashes, on peacock for a couple seasons. And then they brought it to Bravo for a couple seasons. And after seven seasons, Real Housewives of Miami may not be with us anymore. And this just stings. It's stings because this was a show that was like for us. This wasn't a show that was for the, for the, you know, real house stories of Beverly Hills

watchers who like don't know ball. This was for the real ones. And this was a show that over the last few years was consistently one of the best shows on the Bravo, you know, peacock universe. This was a show. The moment those women got that call for that reboot,

they said, I'm going to work. I'm clocking in. I'm going to put in overtime hours. We're doing overnight shifts. And they did. And they gave us so much. And I'm so grateful. Now, I do feel a little bit unsettled about the reasoning behind this decision. Because reportedly, as far as I've seen so far, Bravo, Andy, whoever have not, you know, addressed this officially. So we don't have on the record like a specific reason. sources are saying, you know, it's in variety. It's in, I think reality blurb was maybe the first to to break the news. It's being reported that it's like due to low ratings. And if you're listening on audio, I'm doing the biggest, you know, scare quotes. Because to me, low ratings in 2026 on a Bravo show. I'm kind of like, what are we actually talking about here? Because when I hear low ratings,

Obviously, like the live TV ratings, you know, there's like that Twitter account that has always posted the Bravo ratings like the next day. Those don't mean anything anymore. Nobody's watching live, Bravo, you know, Tuesday night at 8. Like, that's not how they're actually paying attention to the numbers. It's all about, you know, the streaming, the DVR, the live plus 28, the live plus 35. How many, you know, multiplies is it getting from its original number of people that watch? watched it in the first week. You know, there are, there are like a million different stats. And the thing is that the network can cherry pick good or bad stats for any show depending on the narrative they want to

construct. And a few weeks ago, when Vanderpump Rules was wrapping up its season, which I got to say I did not complete. I've heard mixed things about how people feel about that show. I don't mean to denigrate it specifically, but overall, I feel like it was a show that a lot of people chose to sit out. I don't think that show was breaking any records for, you know, the number of people that were watching it. But if you looked at the numbers that Bravo was putting out, there was, you know, articles in the trades and stuff about how great it did. And all the numbers that they were using were like concepts of a number. It was like, oh, this show has, this show has gotten, you know, a seven-time multiplier of first week views. So so many people have started watching it since it.

first aired or, you know, it would be like, oh, it's, you know, the premiere has done 4X, whatever, but they're not actually giving the numbers behind any of those numbers. Because if you're saying, oh, X amount of people watched it in the first 24 hours and then 10 times that number of people have watched it since then, if you're saying, oh, a million people watched it in the first day and now it's 10x, that's 10 million people, that's a lot of people. But you could give the same stat and actually it's, oh, 12 people watched it in the first day and it's 10x and that's such a big multiplier. It's still only 120 fucking people. There could be 100 people in the room and they're the only people watching Vanderpump rules. Again, I don't know the numbers because they're not

telling us the numbers and they're not telling us the numbers on purpose. And this is something, pretty much all the streaming services do this. This is not unusual. This is not surprising that they're being a little cagey with the numbers because, you know, like they don't want you to know exactly how many people are watching it because then they can't have their own narrative of what's working and what's not. So when I hear off the bat, oh, Real Housewives of Miami on pause due to ratings, I'm like, compared to what?

What's the goal? What's the comparison? What's the metric that we're using to decide that? maybe we will get some data behind that. I kind of doubt it'll be anything like specific. But when you have a show like Vanderpump Rules that's going to come back for another season, when you have a show like Roney that has been, you know, it's been several years now since Roney was in a place where anybody was really like excited about it.

And that clearly was deemed more of a priority for the network to really figure that out and get it back in production. I don't believe that Miami was less anticipated. or less demanded than those two shows. I mean, you have Real House Stories of New Jersey. They haven't been doing a fucking thing with it for two years, three years almost. That's not because people don't want to watch it.

There are so many layers that work behind all of these decisions. And I'm not saying that it is, that it should be so simple and, oh, why can't they just do exactly what we want all the time? I just think that it's a little bit like frustrating as, you know, I do this for my job, but I'm also a, Bravo fan. And what I see from the Bravo fan community in the last 24 hours since this Miami news came out, people are, people are really bummed. I mean, people are, people are angry and they want to understand and all of this. But more than anything, it just, it sucks that we're seemingly not going

to get another season of this show that has been so good over the last four years. And it's natural to want to understand why. And I do think it's worth, it's worth noting that there is. still, I believe, an ongoing lawsuit against the network from Todd, from Todd, Napola. You know, he's very upset with how he was portrayed on the show and he wants everybody to know. And that has, you know, there have been, you know, previous reports and rumblings that this has really put Miami in a tough spot when it comes to the network and all of that because there is this ongoing case and that has, you know, made it complicated. for Alexia to be participating and I frankly I don't think they would want to do this show without Alexia and you know rightly so she's she's she's the Cuban Barbie she's she's Teresa of the South how crazy is it that right now Teresa of the North and the South both don't have Bravo shows to be on

Teresa of the North of course being Teresa and Teresa of the South being Alexia it just sucks you know and um I'm gonna miss them you know I don't feel very gertified right now. I don't, you know, I don't know where my monkeys are. I don't know where my bros are. There's so much going on in their lives that we're not going to be seeing. But I just want to give a little tribute because I think, you know, when we lose a show or maybe lose a show or pause a show, whatever, we need to stop and pay our respects. And so I pour one out for Real Housewives of Miami and pour one out for these iconic moments. Pour one out for the Haitian mortition. pour one out for

Salander! Slander! Pour one out for High Green, Gertie, she ate that one. Pour one out for who at this table do you trust the least? Poor one out, even Stephanie Shoujai is going to get one. Pour one out for, oh, I'm Alexia! Pour one out for, oh, this is for the OGs. She beat me to the tweet for Larsa asking Gertie.

How does she know she has cancer? for I, for Islarsa. Had to get that one and you know that's a favorite of mine. Poor went out for the receipt being in Alexia's head and in her heart. She doesn't need a receipt. Poor went out for that cursed letter that Adriana wrote from Marisol's liver. Poor went out for the epic meltdown on the boat in Mexico City. Lisa just wanted to throw chicken to the dog.

And poor went out. One of my favorite Miami moments ever. mirror mirror on the wall. Who's the fake one of them all? When Larsa got uninvited from Dr. Nicole's engagement party via a mirror hand deliver to her after Grady was like, ooh, invitation. Pour one out for the Real House of Ohio's of Miami. They have been doing it so big for the last few years and our lives, I think, are going to be a little bit quieter without them. And I think that's unfortunate. And I would like to see, I would like to see the receipt. If you're saying low ratings, show me some numbers. I don't think they will.

cowards. I mean, it is what it is, but I had to deliver a little eulogy on this Thursday afternoon. Last week, I had the fun opportunity to go to this event that Bravo did for Ladies of London. Now, I have been loving Ladies of London. We're four episodes in. I, okay, I have heard chatter that this season of Ladies of London may only be six episodes long. I don't know if this is true. It hasn't been confirmed nor denied. I haven't, you know, maybe I could ask some proper channels. If this is true, I find it very disturbing.

To me, bringing a new show, because it's a new show, the new reign, six episodes, what's the fucking point? This cast is like eight or nine women. I barely just learned everybody's names. Because remember we talked about this last week, there's a lot of M's. Margo, Martha, Missy, Mark. I'm missing one again. Micah, thank you.

If we only get six episodes with these women, what is the point? I hope I'm wrong. I don't want to belabor the point because I might be wrong. But I had a great time at this event last night. It was very she-she-she, very she-she-kevin-Lee. It was at this lovely hotel, and we had, we were in this. this very bougie screening room, and we watched, they played us episode two of Ladies of London, which of course I had already seen, but it was like, it was fun to watch because that's the

episode where Dara leaves the show in the middle of her dinner. We watched the episode. We had some popcorn, some champagne. The whole cast was there. All of the women, all, all, all of the women in Mark looking stunning. Martha was wearing the craziest fucking thing. She had this like, black fascinator, like the little like, you know, half that looks like a gumdrop that just kind of sits on your forehead. And coming up out of it was a martini glass that was like a neon sign that was lighting up. She literally had a light up cocktail neon sign on her head. Kimmy was wearing like a fabulous little top hat. Micah looked, Michael looked great. She had this little like ruffle collar thing on.

Micah and Lottie were both dressed by Lottie's husband, I believe. It was just like a fun, it was a fun event. And then we went upstairs and there was this like high tea situation and we got to chat with the cast a little bit. I told Emma that I really wanted to go to her safari park at Longleet and she like lights up and she goes, we just got four new hippos. Now I want to go even more. field trip to Longley, please, please.

This week's episode of Ladies of London, though, it was another banger. Another good one, because I think they're doing a good job, if this is a really short season, as it might be, I think they're doing a good job at, like, moving through storyline kind of each episode, because this week, there's this, like, naked drawing class slash, I don't know, party hangout, whatever. And Missy has decided that she needs to confront Kimmy because she's heard through the grapevine that Kimmy was making light of this story that she told about the tragic murder of her brother and calling it a sob story and that she was telling it for attention. I mean, crazy stuff.

But she confronts her about it and they have it out. And, you know, everybody's getting involved and it's a big thing at this party. And it does feel like so far in just four episodes, we've really like pushed through a lot of content. And again, it just remains one of the most fun shows to watch right now. And I, I so appreciate it. It was fun to meet them. I got to chat with Martha a little bit. And she, she made a comment that I don't even know if, I don't even know if I could say, but she said something that really, like, I was taken aback, but also like, she's iconic. They need a second season. They need a second season bad. And,

And, you know, whatever bullshit is happening with Real House of Miami right now, if they try to pull that, that shit with Ladies of London after six, maybe six episodes, if they introduce us to these women and then take them away, I can't even think about it. I can't even think about it. It would piss me off so bad. Am I in bad mood today? I don't know. I also, I mean, I don't have that much time to talk about Secret Lives of Mormon Wife.

but somebody's on the shit list. Let me just say. I thought season four was very compelling. I watched it all over the weekend. But this week, I'm not happy. Let's just, I'm not a happy camper. I don't think I'll be watching The Bachelorette this season. I was planning to, and now I don't think so.

But, you know, justice for Miranda. Miranda should be the leader of Mom Talk. That's, I'm going on the record. Good for Michaela, leaving that man. if you have to if you have to explain you know to the leave the man jesse leave the man everybody should be leaving the man i'm glad um i'm glad lela is getting the help that she needs that was tough to watch whitney levitt is selling out chicago on broadway she just hit the highest weekly gross number in 29 years that chicago has been on broadway was last week one point four million something in a week

all shows sold out. And Whitney and Connor, I'm like, I'm very here for them right now. They've been having a lot of fun on TikTok. Whitney said that she would get a tattoo if she broke the weekly gross record. So I can't wait to see that. Get season five back rolling. We don't need to have somebody if they're causing problems. Get the cameras back up.

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And now Springs got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your Al rhythm is feeding you cutoffs. You're thirsty for the sun on your shoulders. That perfect hang on the patio sundress. Those sandals you can wear all day and all night. And you've had enough of shopping from your couch. Done hoping it looks anything like the picture when you tear up on that envelope. It's time for a little in-person spring treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. But we should talk about Summerhouse because Summerhouse had a really great episode this week. And I was watching it. And for the first chunk of the episode, I'm kind of like, okay, this is like, you know, fun enough.

Like, they play this game of Spin the Bottle and, you know, Bailey and Ben have to make out. And so they can kind of squash their beef from the week before, which I appreciate, you know, Amanda accidentally says Lexi instead of Levi. And you see Jesse Solomon's life kind of flashed before his eyes. West is trying to play like footsie with Sierra and getting very touchy during this game. and, you know, they end up having to make out. And, you know, the West and Sierra thing, as I'm on the record, I'm, I'm pro. I'm for it.

But I do need them to have, like, a real conversation at some point because they're having this, like, flirty energy, whatever. And Jesse's like, you know, like, I just don't know where we're at because, like, we still haven't really, like, talked. I'm like, well, gee, maybe you should. imagine if you guys were in the same house together every weekend and had some time being around each other that maybe you could have a conversation. What would that be like?

Oh, you're already there. Have the fucking conversation. And I'm sure they will. But I'm just like, we can't be doing this back and forth every week. And Sierra's like, yeah, I think I've been too nice to him. And it's like, I love her energy this season. And also Kyle and Amanda making out during some. spin the bottle, it should not be that uncomfortable to see a husband and wife kiss.

Sorry, like, what are we doing here? That's how you know. I mean, he did good last week, getting her that Cartier watch, but like, wrap it up. It's a wrap. But, no, it was nice. But then this episode takes a turn and in a great way. Because when they go back to the house for the next weekend, first of all, KJ has invited Dara to the house. For the first weekend, they're at the boxing gym and he's like, bring pajamas. It's like, okay, that was, could have been a little more elegantly phrased that she's going to be sleeping at the house. But, you know, glad to see those crazy kids. I hope they make it.

But the conversation that they have at dinner on this episode about, specifically about race in the house and Sierra opening up about being, the pressures that came with being the first black person on the cast of someone. and the way that that has challenged her and the things that that has brought up and specifically being a black woman on on a public platform like this dating white men and the complications that go along with that and the way that the cast is so open and receptive and she's getting you know this amazing energy with kj and uh with mea who you know they're both new this season and they can, you know, they can relate to her in so many ways because, you know, they share this identity, but also they can respect that Sierra went before them and dealt with it in a completely extra level kind of way because she was the first. And I think that Sierra has

become such an integral part of this show over the last, you know, five seasons, I think that she's been on, that I think you almost, you don't, spend a lot of time necessarily thinking or talking about this because she is just Sierra. She's not Sierra the first black girl on Summer House. She's Sierra like the kind of like the Queen Bee at this point. But that I think it was a great reminder that that just because you don't have to, you know, bring that up every time you talk about her, every time you talk about the show, that that is still a real piece of the puzzle that's going on here and that to you you don't have to bring it up

all the time, but you also shouldn't forget that that's the case. And I think that over the last few years, Summerhouse has really consistently shown up as one of the shows on Bravo. And I mean, frankly, on reality television at large, that is really doing an excellent job at having these conversations at navigating these topics in a way that doesn't feel, it doesn't feel like performative or, you know, like, luxury at all. But it also doesn't feel like, oh, well, I guess we have to have this conversation. Let's talk about it and then get it out of the way. And, you know, it's the elephant in the room or anything like that. It feels like these topics when they have come up on this show. And this is not the first time that we've talked about race on Summerhouse.

This is not the first time that we've talked about, you know, how different people have different pressures or expectations around them because of their identity and what that means. This is something that comes up organically in different ways throughout different seasons and different people and different permutations because it's real life. And these people, I think, I think Summerhouse is one of the shows on Bravo where obviously people get cast to be on the show, but this has really been over the years a real group that we have watched learn and grow and change and have different, you know, different looks and things like that. But it feels like everybody is bought in to these types of conversations in a way that makes

them actually productive and actually impactful. both, I think, for the viewer, I think that this is a great, you know, thing to have on the show and on the network, but also for the rest of the cast. Kyle posted a whole long caption on Instagram after this week's episode aired, thanking Sierra and KJ and Mia for both like this conversation and, you know, kind of them doing this work and, you know, bringing it to the table. table, but also just like for for what they bring to the show overall. Because I think the great thing about watching Summerhouse and and I think that the cast really understands is that yes, a conversation like this is, you know, informative and interesting and, you know, a good moment. But also like Sierra in so many ways has majorly brought so much to the table on Summerhouse now for years. And this show would not be the same without her.

and you know KJ and Mia are new this season but already I think are are doing a great job of of enriching the entire show beyond just like oh you know diversity or oh representation like those things are important but they're they're contributing to the show in much bigger ways and I I think that it's just like it's just nice to be able to have those moments and I think that you know Sierra is in an interesting spot in her trajectory on the show where she's been here a long time. She, you know, is kind of a queen bee in so many ways and feels like, you know, she's at the top of the pyramid.

But at the same time, she still has to fight certain battles in terms of how she's viewed, in terms of specifically the way that men on the show view her and interact with her. And I mean, just in the last couple of weeks, the conversation she's had with Jesse about, like you shouldn't be asking somebody else if you have permission to make out with me when you haven't even asked me if you have permission to make out with me. And if you actually want to have that connection with me, take me on a date. Have a conversation with me. Fucking treat me like I'm a real person.

And, you know, it's unfortunate that she still even has to like say that. But at the same time, like being able to talk about it and to hash it out, I think I think it makes the show better and I'm really glad we can I'm really glad we can do that. Great episode of Summerhouse. They're having a really great season. That midseason trailer that we saw this week is a doozy. I'm very, I'm even more excited I think now for the rest of the season of Summerhouse than I would have been a week ago. Because it feels like the house is just in a really good place.

Seeing in the midseason trailer all the women. at this like old age party, having like a serious conversation about whether Amanda's going to fucking get divorced. And Sierra's in full like old lady prosthetic makeup. Nobody's doing it like the Summer House cast. Nobody. And I'm so grateful. Good sleep is everything. That's why Ali's science back support is made with a blend of melatonin and L. Dianine for both kiddos and grownups.

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Bradley, is that Bradley's girlfriends? I can't keep it straight. They're at this party and Emmy, dear sweet child Emmy, she's in the hot seat for a few reasons. Because first of all, Bradley wants to talk to her about the comments that she made after the reunion in New York last season about being scared of him and him being, you know, threatening and, you know, this, that, and the other, when he was, like, texting her when they were at the hotel. And so he, you know, he brings that up and sort of the connotations that that carries. So, I mean, it dovetails in a specific way with Summerhouse this week where he's talking about the connotations of saying that a black man is scary or threatening or, you know, that that can have real consequences. And it's not something that should be taken lightly. And then TJ comes to the table and he brings.

up Will and Emmy going on the podcast that shall not be named, hosted by a former bachelor who shall not be named, and that they, Will and Emmy called T.J. A Predator on the podcast, talking about, you know, situations in the past where he's, you know, had, I don't know, tried to get with straight men, whatever. I don't know all the details of those situations. I feel like it's all a bit murky, but safe to say that calling a gay man a predator on a podcast is not like the best thing to do. And then Molly steps up to take a whack at Emmy for for liking and allegedly pinning, but she denies it, a comment on her post about how it's always the thicker girls coming for the hotties. And Molly has interpreted this as Emmy condoning fat shaming of her.

Basically, Emmy is in the eye of the storm. It's gang on Emmy Day, as to quote Vicky Gundelson. This is tough. I mean, I think that all of these issues that are being brought to the table are valid. They're not all necessarily of equal concern to me. I think Molly, you know, I think it's fair to bring it up. I don't think that it's like the same as I don't think that's the same as Bradley being like,

yeah, you had a microaggression that could be really harmful to me. But still, not great. And I do think, you know, Emmy, Emmy deserves a lot of the shit that comes toward her, but I also think that to a certain degree, she has made herself a really easy target. And so if you're going into your second season on this show and you're Molly and you're saying, okay, let's see,

what's my hook going to be? What can I kind of like bring to the table? I mean, I might as well just have an issue with Emmy. Everybody else does. Everybody else except Lake. This is interesting because Lake says that she and Emmy have gotten close since last season and that she really, you know, she like feels for her and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so when Emmy, like, you know, is having a panic attack in the driveway of this house

and somebody has to go out and check on her. Well, I mean, I guess somebody has to go out. It's Lake and, you know, she's going to be there for her. And eventually other people go out and she calms down and comes back inside. I just want to, I want, I'm curious, like, for anybody else. Does the Lake and Emmy closeness feel like a little bit of a convenient production thing? Because I don't want to be too, like, tinfoil hat, but, you know, I'm sitting here in front of a microphone and I get to talk for however long I want about whatever I want.

So does it feel like maybe in the off season, production was looking at the, you know, the pieces on the game board and are saying, okay, so Emmy is really important to this show because she's fucking crazy. They're probably their words. I would never.

Emmy is important to the show. We need her to be like here. We need her to show up and take, take the lashes. But we also, if that's going to happen and if she's not just going to like disappear on us, we probably need to have somebody who's kind of like paired up with her and in her corner a little bit and like maybe going to like take the fall and defend her a little bit.

And like, if Molly wants to have beef with her over the, you know, pinning a comment, which she denies, maybe our other newbie from last season, like maybe she kind of needs to step into the like Emmy defender role. I don't know that this is the case. It just kind of, it felt like it to me. And I also am like, Lake is a cute girl. She's sweet. Like, why are we throwing ourselves in front of the train for Emmy?

Because Emmy, I mean, Emmy is captivating television. But she's not like, she's not somebody that I would like, you know, I'm not going to stand out in the sun so she can be in the shade. I don't think that that's a good strategy. like you in danger girl but no basically everybody has an issue with emmy i did i did laugh that eventually so emmy's like basically in the middle of yelling at molly about how she's like a dumb bitch and she didn't fat shame her um and then she kind of stops she's like

stops in the middle of a sentence basically and it's like you know what i'm sorry and it's of course like the most aggressive sorry anybody's ever said and then out of nowhere you just hear grace lily in the background on for? And they're like, Grace, come on. And she's like, no, like, what are you sorry for? And I was like, that is a rare moment of clarity from Grace Lilly that I'm like, you know what? She should be able to articulate what she's apologizing for. If she's going to, if she's going to go directly from yelling at the girl to pausing in the middle of a sentence and just being like, you know what? Fine. I'm sorry. Explain why. What did you do wrong? What did you realize? What did you realize was the air of your ways? I don't want a non-specific apology.

I'm itemized. Later in the episode, though, Grace Lilly is maybe making a little bit less sense because she shows up to this, you know, girls' pajama night that Molly's having. And it seems pretty hit or miss. Who knows it's a pajama night? Like, Emmy doesn't go because she is mad

that she got invited, like, secondhand. You know, not everybody. is in pajamas but then grace slowly shows up in this like i can't tell if it's like actually a nightgown or just a dress that kind of gives nightgown um but she says that she changed it out of heels and is wearing slippers so i'm like you clearly knew that there was like slippers going on but then she's mad at fucking maddie rase of all people because she's like no you're not a good friend because you never tell me what the dress code is like it's the pajama one like that was wrong and then also with the folly house like you said it was casual and so i showed up wearing my hippie pants

then you were wearing like a cute like matching top and skirt and like little pumps. And so I just don't think that's like a behavior of a good friend. It's like, first of all, casual when you're filming for a reality show and it's a party of any kind. Not the hippie pants. The pants, every girl, every girl who ever went to India comes back with a pair of those pants. You know the ones. There's like a print on them with like, you know, mandala print and maybe there's an elephant on there. that is a, I feel like we have to use our brains a little bit when you use the word casual,

that it's like if, if you're coming to the office and I say, oh, don't worry, it's casual. It's like, right. So that probably means casual in the sense that like you don't really have to like dress up a certain way. You're not wearing a tie to the office. You don't need to. You can wear jeans. Casual to like a sleepover. That's where you wear the hippie pants.

I just think there's no, there's no world in which Maddie Reese would have been wearing sweatpants to that event. And Grace Lilly should know that. Grace Lily, though, on the decision-making scale, not one of our greatest decision-makers. There's recently been more legal drama with her that I can't even get into right now. But Grace Lily's in an interesting place. You know, she's a wavy baby. We love her. I can't imagine the show without her.

but at the same time, it's kind of like, should she still be here? What are we doing? What are we doing with Grace Lily? I don't know, but this, very compelling. I can't wait to see, you know, the next trials and tribulations that Emmy goes through. Maybe if Emmy and Will ever break up,

maybe Emmy could be the next Bachelorette. If they're, you know, she seems like the type. Can't be any worse. Let's talk about the Southern Charm reunion a little bit. Part one of two, so we'll see how it comes. concludes next week. But I just got to say, justice for Sally, and I didn't think I'd say it at the beginning of the season, I didn't think I'd say it at the end of the season, leave Sally alone. The way that Austin is speaking to and about her in this reunion, oh my God. I, like, it feels like

I'm living in like the scarlet letter. And Sally is out here looking like Hester with the A stapled to her dress. Leave her alone. Why are we talking about this woman's body count on the reunion couch? I think there is this weird. I mean, Sally, of course, has been like horny on Maine for Austin.

You know, she's saying that what she looks for in a man is like sitting right here next to me. Like, it's a little cringe. I'll grant you that. But then suddenly we're in this conversation where there's this, first of all, really just uncomfortable, long back and forth about the details of whether or not they have had sex with each other, which we still don't really get to the bottom of it.

Seems like the answer is no, they're kind of going with, but then Madison really thinks they're lying. They did watch heated rivalry at their sleepover, but only the first episode. But there's fucking in the first episode. There's fucking in the first episode. there's there's fucking in the first episode but it goes from being this like fun playful like oh we watched he'd robbery at our sleepover to like really really uncomfortable wives and he's saying that they're talking about how many nights a week sally goes out and that she's a bar rat

and that it wouldn't be appealing for him to date somebody who's like running in the streets like her and that and she's like okay well i'm like i'm like i'm like i'm like i'm like out at the bars, but I'm not like sleeping with every night. And he's like, oh, but the body count. And it's like pot meat kettle, Austin, what are we doing here? And like, I get, I don't know, then when, when Austin says, I'm not going to be bullied into wanting to date Sally, that really gave me the heck. Because I just think, obviously Sally has some complicated feelings and attachment style and stuff maybe to work through. But it's like I don't love that it feels like we're sort of painting Sally as this like

desperate clingy woman who has like nothing going on in her life but wanting to climb Austin like a tree. When we established that she's a beautiful woman who has a great job, she, I mean, is also not for nothing on this show. I don't know. Something about the way that that situation was portrayed didn't quite like sit right with my spirit. And it made me feel a little bit gross. Because I just don't.

I think that Sally is a great person to sort of like laugh at a little bit. But I don't think that she is like a problem in the way that it felt like people were trying to make her a problem. Did I love her rehoming the chickens? No. But Andy clocked her for that right off the bat. And it's like, okay. great. But the other person that looks like a real piece of shit, let me just say at this reunion,

is one, Craig Conover. First of all, he doesn't watch the show. And it always bugs me when people, like, openly admit that they don't watch the show they're on. Because I just think it right off the bat says a lot about how you kind of view this experience and other people's points of view. and just like never to me like anybody who doesn't watch the show they're on it suggests that you are just fully at peace with all of the decisions you've made and all of the people that you've yelled at and all of the you know drama that you've caused and you're like if they have issues with it they can talk through it and you know if our versions of events differ that's their problem and at the end of the day I am who I am and I know who I am. am and I don't have to talk about who I am for anybody else. And I love that right off the bat. Shep and Austin are saying he has a reality distortion disorder. Charlie is like, yeah, we definitely have a different version of events sometimes.

And Wittner, Whitner, who I feel like has sort of woken up at this reunion, he asks if, he says that they have different definitions of peace because Craig is like, I just want peace. That's all I want. and Wittner's like, does your version of peace include yelling at people? Because that's the thing. Craig is not, it's not that he just like, you know, doesn't deal with all his issues or isn't always the most supportive friend or whatever. It's like, no, he's literally like bitching out Austin multiple times this season or bitching out Sally in the back of the car or blaming Sally that his relationship with Charlie didn't progress more when sorry, it wasn't progressing that. well, Sally or not?

It's just, yeah, it's frustrating to watch. And then later in the episode, he's arguing the semantics over whether or not he yells at women when they're not filming. Because other people are saying that this is a behavior that he exhibits. And he's like, no, no, no, I don't do that. And they're like, you made Sally cry. And he's like, making her cry isn't the same as yelling at. her. And I just think if you're in the middle of an argument and you've gotten to the point

where you are trying to make your point by saying that making someone else cry isn't the same as yelling at them and therefore you haven't done anything wrong, you got to back up. Do not collect go. Do not collect $200. Do you don't pass go. It's over. You've lost this argument. You look crazy. And they're talking about whether or not he's a narcissist, and he's very adamant that he cannot be a narcissist, because being a narcissist, by definition, means that you don't have empathy for other people. And Craig, ladies and gentlemen, is an empath. And that is about, I mean, the funniest thing I've heard in a long time. Craig Conover being an empath. Sorry, words, words,

mean things. Like, what are we doing here? What are we talking about? I don't know if Craig is a narcissist. I'm not breaking out the DSM-5 to make a diagnosis here. Like, that's not my job. But I don't know if empath is in the DSM-5, but I'm pretty sure that Craig doesn't be the fucking definition. Come on. Remember when Kristen Doty was like, I'm an empath. I feel like empath. I don't know where this word like really came from, I feel like it's become this like get out of jail free card for some of the like most bad shit crazy people on reality TV to be like a little bit not accountable for their own actions. And it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I yelled at, sorry, I made Sally cry. I didn't yell at her. I made her cry. But it's because I'm an empath. Ding, ding, ding.

That's the answer. I'm an empath. That's why. I couldn't control myself, but I'm an empath. I just don't, does that, does that, does that, does anybody, like, hear that and be like, oh, oh, yeah, okay, right. Duh, of course, he's an empath. I don't think that, is, is that landing for anyone? I can't imagine that it is. If that's landing for you, like, I have questions. I have questions.

Oh, Beverly Hills, I don't, I don't feel the need to get into Beverly Hills. really this week. They're still in Italy. They're still talking about the cult. They're still shopping. Shopping up a storm. De Reitz spending too much money as she's manic. Kathy Hilton's walking around

with Labuboos on her bag. I think, you know, Beverly Hills, I watch it and I have a good enough time. And I'll talk about it more next week. That's where we're going to leave it off for this week. Don't forget to rate, review, subscribe. Subscribe to our YouTube.

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