Mention It All - Is Rinna Secretly A Good Friend? Ft. Rae Sanni

Episode Date: June 29, 2022

On today’s episode, Dylan is joined by comedian and writer Rae Sanni, who isn’t quite on board with this season of RHUGT. They discuss why she preferred season one, and her longstanding dislike of Phaedra. They also get into the toxicity of the Bravo fandom, and how it almost ruined Potomac. Later, they unpack how not all Housewives feuds are that deep, why Diana is flopping on Beverly Hills, and who really qualifies as an “all-star.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Betch's Media presents. Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All. A Bravo by Betcha's podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With Dylan Hafer. We'll go check me both. Hey, everyone.

Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer, and today I am excited to be joined by a writer, a comedian, actor, podcaster, and self-described reality TV die hard. Please welcome Ray Sani. Hi, Ray. Hello. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be here.

Of course. I'm excited to have you on. I feel like you have done so many things, but your tweets about Housewives really are just some of my favorites because Housewives Twitter can be a very toxic place. And I always enjoy your hot takes. Oh my gosh. I'm actually part of the toxicity sometimes. I feel there's definitely people who I probably have a stronger reaction to things than I should. And people have stronger reactions to things. I mean, it's so surprising how obsessive and intense it can get, right? Yeah, and I think, I mean, the toxicity sometimes is part of the fun. I mean, we don't want it to all be kumbaya all the time. But it is one of those things where, you know, if somebody's just, somebody can watch the show and be on a totally different wavelength than you. And it's like, no, you're wrong.

Your opinion is wrong. You're objectively wrong about this. Do you know how crazy it's like it's been being a Kenyanstan for as long as I have been? Talk about toxic. If you're a long time Kenya Stan, I feel like now is probably an easier time than it has been in the past. Ever. Damn, she has really put you through the ringer. Yes, because there's so many times where I'm like, everyone is being unreasonable.

This is just a TV show. Kenya is just playing her role. And then sometimes Kenya does. something that warrants vitriol and you're like, damn, why don't you do that to me, mom? You know? Right. There's that moment where you're like, okay, like I still can be an objective viewer and understand that my fave in that moment was wrong.

Was wrong. Yeah. And it's like, it's so embarrassing to have to eat crow sometimes. But I've learned to not take these shows as personally as I used to. I think, you know, like during the pandemic, I think, was like the height of my intensity as a Bravo viewer. I'm sure that was the case for a lot of people. I mean, I think, you know,

it was the like Monique versus Candace season of Potomac in 2020. Was it 2020 into 2021? And oh my gosh. The internet was Housewives Twitter was the worst place to be for, I think, like six months. It was horrid. that season of Potomac really I think sort of brought us to a new place in terms of the kind of conversation surrounding it and the way that it just felt so bleak online because it was a I mean it was a great season of housewives obviously it was upsetting some of the stuff that

happened on the show but overall it was a great season but I would go online and I'm like I can't do this a guy like I can't no and and it was crazy so I'll just say up front that I was not team Candace so much as I was disgusted by Monique, you know. And it was very crazy on both ends, to be honest, because, you know, for me, I just thought Monique behaved so terribly. And then I felt, you know, that she had like used the internet to kind of gaslight the situation and sort of create a reality that, in my opinion, wasn't there. And, but then there was the other side, which is that Candace can do whatever she wants, no matter how terrible her mouth can be. And the way people were so entrenched in either camp,

where it was like, Monique's an innocent and Candace deserved it. And then it was like, Candace can say whatever she wants. She's not terrible. And even though she says these terrible things, and I was just sitting in the, in the middle somewhere, kind of being like, oh my God, what happened to my show? Potomac used to be the lightest. one, the most fun. You know, like, I remember Mimes and Karen and Giselle. Like, that was the Potomac I used to watch. And now all of a sudden it was just like, and be her ass over and over again.

And I was just like, oh, my God, how did we arrive here? Right. Like, I just want to watch Karen and Giselle go back and forth about like hotbox and broke down hell from Hampton University. Exactly, exactly. I think one of my favorite, you know, scenes of all time on Housewives, like across all franchises, was the bennie scene between Karen and Giselle, where she's like talking about her bignets and she just wants to dip it in chocolate, Giselle. And then they just get into an argument about boundaries. It was amazing.

It was so light. It was so fun. And then, you know, I think everybody was just itchy because we were all stuck inside and online. and it just, I don't know. It just wasn't funny anymore. Right. It felt like there was nothing else really going on to talk about other than like the pandemic or the election.

Like, God forbid. Like I, it was like, okay, so I guess we talk about housewives and housewives right now is intense as hell. You bringing up the mime scene made me think about your podcast that you did, the cast, which was such a great concept. If you haven't listened, every week you were going through classic, iconic reality TV moments and choose. choosing who from those moments you would put on your ultimate reality all-star cast.

And you talked about the mime scene. You ultimately chose Karen Hugar to be on your all-star cast. But, I mean, just talk about two legends. Giselle and Karen, nobody does it like them. No, not at all. I'm often surprised by how much people dislike Giselle because I think she's so goddamn funny. And, like, I don't know. I find that people bring a lot of baggage to each of these franchises.

You know, like somebody will remind them of their childhood bully or some girl they didn't like in high school or something. And so, like, you're never just like watching for the love of it, I guess. There's always just like this psychoanalysis that happens. And I participate. I definitely overth think these things. But I'm like, I don't understand how anyone can look at Giselle Bryant and not see a genius. She's funny. She's like self-affafer.

like one she's astonishingly beautiful so i guess like nothing you say can really hurt her feelings like if i looked like vanessa williams like yeah you couldn't ever ever hurt my feelings like everyone makes fun of jazelle's clothes and she keeps wearing the tacky clothes because she doesn't give a fuck like like think about you know how quickly like you'll see like the second season glow up from whatever housewife you know it'll be surgeries it'll be different wigs. It'll be like her pretending her house is bigger now or something like that. But Giselle Bryant is so into herself. Like she's so like whatever, this is me. She didn't change anything except for the house. And maybe the wigs and still the wigs are bad and she doesn't

care. And I mean, she changed the house, but let's be clear, the house is still a Giselle Bryant creation. We've got the purple wall. We've got the, you know. Was it the Versacee sheets? the tacky Versace sheets, that spiral staircase that goes to nowhere outside the house. Like, what did Wendy call it? What a Candace call it? Like, it's a fixer-upper and it still needs some fixing up in. As much as Candace's tweets sometimes are horrendous, her tweet calling Giselle's house a $900,000 cabin. Yeah, I mean, I think Giselle also, like, every once,

in a while, she'll post a picture on Instagram where she's like, you know, looking good or maybe she has like one nice outfit and people will be like, oh, like, Giselle got a stylist, like, get ready. And it's like, no, no, like, nothing is ever really changing and I wouldn't have it any other way. I don't want her to come through looking like Doreet. Like, that would be very off-putting to me. And the Giselle experience is what it is and that's what it needs to be. I love that she's tacky and unapologetic. And it's not like she didn't hear us.

She heard us. She's heard us loud and clear. We've been telling her she's tacky for what. what, six years, seven years at this point? She don't care. She likes her hairdresser. She likes whoever styles her. I love that.

I love that. Because like, think about how much Karen Huger, for example, physically has changed over the course of the show. Like, she's altered herself a lot. And I love Karen. This isn't a knock on Karen. I'm just saying that it's like a wonderful thing that Giselle's like, no, I'm perfect. Like, how Kenya said on Sunday, fuck you, I'm perfect. Yeah, she doesn't, Kenya doesn't need to drop it with Drew.

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I saw that you tweeted that you weren't necessarily sold on this new season. I haven't watched it yet. Like for some reason, every time I go to Peacock and like I'm about to press play, I have no desire. none whatsoever, which is so confusing because I was thrilled about the first Ultimate Girls trip. I loved it so much. I found it really refreshing. I loved seeing the women in a new light, in particular, Kyle, because, you know, I'm Team LVP. And so, you know, Kyle had gone downhill a lot for me. And then watching her on Ultimate Girls Trip, I was like, oh, I like Kyle. She's funny. She's fun. Like, I feel like I would have a good time with Kyle if we were like out somewhere, you know,

just as long as she doesn't split and windmill her hair or whatever. I think Kyle Richards is one of those people where she, I think at her core, she is a fun person and you would have fun, just kind of like chilling with her. But the problem on housewives on her, on Beverly Hills is that it's like, she always is just has an, you know, there's an ulterior motive or she's trying to make somebody else look bad or she's, you know, she wants you to get you to say something on camera. Like, I think there are a lot of women on housewives where it's like, I would like you if it was just like a purely fun hangout. But like the second I was involved in this like group dynamic, all of a sudden you're kind of changing a little bit. And the reverse happens as well.

You know, even Beverly Hills, I'm kind of like enjoying Garcel on the show, just kind of like the pot stirring and she's done lately. It's been fun to watch. But damn, if she wouldn't annoy the fuck out of me if we were like, you know what I mean? I would be like, yo, somebody tells Garcel to shut the fuck up. That's like how I would feel. But like, it's fun to watch. And I think maybe the reverse is happening for me with cow where it's like, damn, like she seems like a good hang. But then it's like, Sutton, you said. And it's like, girl, shut up. Yeah. I mean, that is like such a, it's a tricky thing. because obviously we want these women to like participate and pull their weight and all of that.

But then sometimes it's like you don't need to be like the bone carrier every time. Like you can you can pick and choose and still like be a good friend when that is the right thing to do. Right. Speaking of being a good friend, I want to confess that I feel like if I knew Lisa Rina personally, I would adore her. Okay. Do you say that in a way that you think she like seen? fun or that you actually think she is a better friend than sometimes we are led to believe? I think that she is too committed to TV and I think because she started off as a soap star,

she's like in a soap mindset, you know? I don't think she takes the show as seriously as she could. And I think she's like leaned into this villainous kind of role and she's just fine, fuck it. It's a shame what happened with Denise because I don't think that if they were on it, if they weren't on a TV show, she and Denise would be broken up. I think she sacrificed a real friendship for a TV show, probably thought Denise would play along or, you know, be more, like, casual about it. And Denise kind of was like, yo, you're really messing with my real life right now. Like, what are you doing? But, like, just thinking of, like, Rina's loyalty to Erica, which is problematic, don't get me wrong. But I feel like when she rides for you, she really rides for you. And I think

that like Eric her relationship with Erica and I think she sees the trouble that Erica's in and is like oh I really actually need to be there for this girl. This isn't just TV versus like something with Denise where it's just like it was messed up what they did but ultimately she was just talking about Brandy and Denise eating each other out. You know what I mean versus like Erica who who like is in real life trouble. You know what I'm saying? Not to downplay out in somebody. That's not fair. Just you know. Right. That it's like in that situation, Rina probably had a different idea of how that was going to go. And she sort of miscalculated Denise's reaction, but that there wasn't necessarily. I think we see a lot of people kind of like start drama just to do something on the show that they don't really mean anything. But I think going back to Karen and Giselle, I think they're kind of the textbook example of that where like they're always fighting about something. But like they're not trying to ruin each other's lives at the end of the day. Yeah. I mean, it's tough when you're on these shows. for such a long time with people too or like Lisa and Denise had known

each other for 20 plus years it's like it is tough to kind of draw that line between okay what when are we actually like not okay with each other versus when are we just like oh yeah this is our job because there's cameras here and also were they real life friends

in the way that you know like were they actress friends or were they like home girls you know what I mean? This is not me just I can't believe I'm on here talking about Rina positively. I'm just saying like how good a friends were they actually if Rina was very comfortable doing that in the first place. I don't think Rina would ever do something like that to Erica or Kyle. Yeah. I mean, I think that's something people have more and more questions.

It's like, why does Rina feel this loyalty, it seems to Erica more than pretty much anyone else in the cast? And it's like maybe she just likes her. Like there, I mean, there are, like, there doesn't have to be some like backstory or like some you know blackmail type of situation where rana feels like she can't betray erika it's like maybe she's just like actually fucking likes the girl i don't know i think you know that's another thing that we often miss too as audience members as well you know like there will be people making the case like here is a 10 point um bullet 10 bullet the point power presentation for why Porsche's amazing and Kenya is not. And it's like, well, these things aren't logical.

Liking people doesn't take logic, you know? And so I think that might just be happening within the cast, too. Like I remember one time, Giselle was doing an interview on the Breakfast Club. And she, this was maybe right after season three, right before season four. And she was just explaining that she found Candace annoying and didn't like her. She just did. She was like, Candace is annoying. And, and I was like, oh, right, that's a thing that we don't see really on TV, which is that sometimes they meet a person on the cast and there's no justification, quote unquote, for why they treat someone poorly.

They just, she just don't like that bitch. And that happens a lot. You know? So I'm like, so once I saw Giselle say, oh, Candace is just annoying, it kind of changed my view of that relationship. And I was like thinking about like, what if Teresa just thinks Jackie is annoying? Right. It's almost like a fourth wall type of situation where it's like if we are fighting in the context of the show or we're not getting along on the show, it feels like there has to be some storyline based reason of like, well, you started this rumor and then I had said this thing and then you came back like there has to be kind of like a you have to like show your work whereas like in real life all the time there's people where it's like oh like no I've never argued with her about something but like I just don't particularly enjoy her company and it's like on these shows like it feels almost like you have to like keep up that curtain of there being like a reason behind everything whereas like sometimes it's just like no we're like not friends I don't know what to what to tell you.

That was like why some of what Garcel did her first season was so refreshing. Like she just found Kyle annoying and she just said it. You know what I mean? And I kind of wish more people would just be like she's just annoying. Like going back to Ultimate Girls trip, like Ramona was just annoying. She was just annoying. I mean, also Ramona is a nut job. But like she, I'm sure she was just annoying.

And I'm sure Cynthia was just being annoying, you know? Right. And especially in a girls' trip situation where they're not trying to keep up the fourth wall. They're not trying to build some lasting franchise. It's just like you're in a house with these women for the week. Like, you can kind of be a little more honest with that where it's like, I'm just not feeling her vibe. Like it's, we're just not clicking. Yeah. So you, I noticed that you called, you referred to Fadra, Brandy, and Vicky as loathsome characters. And didn't seem super excited to see them back on TV.

I'm wondering, do you feel like there's a line in Housewives between somebody who's like fun and messy to watch and somebody who's just like toxic in a way that you don't really care to revisit? Right. I think the line is, you know, personal, right? There are things that I'm sure other people find lonesome that I love about certain characters and there are things that aren't particularly lonesome to other people that I find lonesome. I think it's just personal preference.

You know, because if we get into running down, why, you know, trying to show our work, like you said before, someone is more loosome than others. Like, I'd be a hypocrite this fast, you know? But I would say with Fadra, I never liked Fadra. I never enjoyed it. I think one of my most, I think the thing I hate the most about a reality is, I think the thing I hate the most about a reality. TV characters when I know that they're lying or not being themselves. And I felt like from the instant Fajer showed up, it was like airs, you know, like these parties. Do you remember the baby shower? Like, do you remember the baby shower with the, uh, the ballet dancers? Yes. And I was

like, this ain't you. This ain't you. The Bougetto baby shower, I think it was referred to us. And, and Only candy came. I remember I recently watched it. It was like the same episode as the pillow party. But like it was, it was, it was mind blowing to me. I was like, what is she doing? They rent out this mansion so they can have this like party. And Apollo hated it.

So he hated, he hated every single part of that show, that dog and pony show that Fager put together. And it was like, or maybe it was a christening. I don't remember. But it was, he, and he kept trying to break free of like this veneer that like Fager was trying to put on. And, and I think seeing Apollo's resistance was like very, very, it triggered my frustration too, because it was like very clear that there was this thing that she was trying to do. And even her husband refused to participate.

And it's like, so if he hates it, why should I like enjoy it? I also just didn't think she was as funny or as clever as everyone else seems to think, you know? So she just, you know, just like we were discussing before, she was just annoying to me. I just found her annoying. I didn't enjoy her. And then you add on top of that everything that went down with season nine and Portia and the dungeon and the jungeon as Portia would call it or whatever. It was just like, I was like, what like a lawyer. did that to her friend on national television.

That was like too far for me. Like, even if you're mad at Candy, because I do think that Candy was a less than stellar friend to her during the Apollo situation, there's nothing that warrants that. To this day, people call Candy a rapist. And admittedly, how she's acting on the show right now doesn't help. Like, the Vibating Panny storyline is a little aggressive for me, but. The whole bedroom candy, I mean, the amount of times we've heard about bedroom candy on this show, it's a lot. But this season especially with, it's like, Kenya doesn't have to want to wear the vibrating panties.

Yes. Just leave her alone. And also, like, how weird is it to slut shame someone for being in a movie when they tell you that they don't want to wear vibrating panties on our girls' trip? So you acted in Tois. Yes. I acted in twas. And also, like, it just seems so weird to me that Candy doesn't understand that even if I were freaky yesterday, I get to choose to not be freaky today.

You know what I mean? Like, right. Time and place. It's funny because Candy's whole, like, schick is like, be a freak, live your life. But then she's like, why don't you want to be a freak? You fucked everybody. And it's like, what? What?

Exactly. Can you imagine? And, like, I would hate if my friend was sitting on that, like, you know, if I'm like, hey, friend, you know, just don't bring the vibrating panties around me. And she's like, you're a ho anyway. Good God. Meanwhile, Sonia's like so new. She has to play long. She's like, I thought the panties were fun.

Yeah, whatever. Yeah, whatever. If candy were droo, she would have been shitting on them panties for sure, you know. Oh my God. Drew is like a whole, she's like a whole enigma to me. Like I, I think it's, she's entertaining because I can't quite like crack her. Like I can't quite figure out what's going on. But I don't know. Drew is just a lot. Really? I feel like Drew's very simple. I feel like I've cracked her. I think that she's a phony and a liar. And she's whack. She's a phony, whack, try hard liar.

I think everything that Sonia has assessed about Drew is correct. Sonia just looks stupid doing it because she jumped the gun. It's like you, she, it was like, oh, I don't like that you put your hands in Shere's face. It's a stupid reason on TV to dislike

someone like you talked about before where that's not a good enough storyline reason to jump out the window and dislike somebody. But that's a perfectly good reason to dislike someone in real life. It's like she lies and she puts her hands in people's face. That is annoying. I don't want to be around her, but on TV, that doesn't work, you know? Right. It's like, I've met this girl two weeks ago,

and I've decided I don't like her, but now it has to be this whole big thing because we were like told to be friends. Yes, exactly. She introduced me to this new job I have, and now I have to like look like I roll with her or make a big issue out of disliking her. What Sonia should have done was due like the I guess you know Potomac thing which is you know Mia she shows up as one person's

friend and then she Mia has gone through the whole group hasn't she been friends with Karen she's been friends with Chazelle she's been friends with I think the only person she hasn't gotten friends with is Candace and I saw some pictures and it looked uh I was like okay

you know that looks different different? Mia is very interesting. I feel like she's another one that's kind of hard to pin down because it's like, I don't know what your whole deal is yet, but I guess I'm enjoying it. I'm definitely down for her to have a second season. I don't know if I like her or not, but I'm happy to see more. You know what I mean? Like I'm still confused about Mia because I'm like, what are your motivations? Like with Mia, it's like sometimes I'm like, oh yeah, she's a badass. Oh, my husband's a sugar daddy. Whatever. She seems so confident in it. And then like the next minute, she's just this like whimpering little girl and like lying a lot. She does that a lot. She lies. And I can't put my finger on her. But like a Drew, I've put my finger on her. Like I've pinpointed her.

I think when she started sneak dissing Kenya in the confessionals where she was just saying stuff about her husband. I hate a woman who will insult you by pointing out that you are not married. and reducing your value as a woman to your womb or your partnership with a man. I mean, they all do it, but Drew just led with it, came out the gate, and she did her whole Christian thing. And I just, all of that was like a recipe for gross for me. Well, and it's just especially rich coming from Drew when, you know, her most lasting impact on the show so far has been how awful her marriage seems to be. And so it's like, they opened with Tampa. They opened with Tampa.

Like you coming for me for not having a man doesn't make your like shady ass man look any better. Yes. Like the, I remember thinking Ralph was so handsome like the first three minutes of the first episode. And that was it. That was it. Because he just ruined it instantly. I was like, why is this man? And that's another thing.

Drew never, I can never tell if Drew has an authentic storyline. Like, did Ralph go to Tampa? Was he watching you on surveillance from a remote place? Like, is that real? You know what I'm saying? And if it was real, is that resulting your marriage while you try to keep moving forward on the show? Like, your husband isn't toxic, you know?

Right. And they'll, you know, every few episodes, they'll have some big blowup. And the resolution, in quotes, of the blowup is like, Drew says she wants something. Ralph basically says no. And then it's like, okay. She eats it. And it's like, yeah.

And I find that on these shows, you'll see a lot that the women will like be submissive in their marriages in a way that I find toxic. And then go into the group and be aggressive with the other women. And I'm like, where's the balance here? Can we balance this out? You know what I'm saying? Because like you saw all the energy that Drew had for Latoya for basically no. reason. But then Ralph will gaslight her from here to the moon and like she'll just be like, okay, you know? Right. And it's frustrating, especially because so many of these people portray

themselves as these bosses and, you know, like in charge of their lives. And it's like, okay, but you yelling at somebody who was like possibly a bad friend to you isn't that much of a flex when like it, you know, you're, it doesn't seem like you can speak. up for yourself in your in your relationship or in your marriage. And it's, it's like sad because it's like, if you can't express yourself at home, then it's like, is this, is this just like your outlet for all your emotions? Because that like, get to therapy, like, and not bravo therapy where it happens once. And you're like. And obviously, like, how you speak with your coworkers and your friends is not how you're going to communicate with or about your husband. Obviously, you know, those are not one to one

comparisons. But it is shocking to not only watch Drew cower, basically, with her husband, but also, like, employ his tactics on the other women. Like, he's, she's a gaslighter too sometimes. She's a poker and then we'll act like, whoa, why are you yelling? This is a crazy reaction. And it's like, no, you provoked a crazy reaction. And, like, don't do to me what your husband does to you kind of thing, you know. Yeah, that's a good point. All new drinks are now at McDonald's, with refreshers like the strawberry watermelon refresher,

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Well, so I have hated Erica Jane since she showed up. And I see a lot of similarities between Diana and Erica Jane. And I think it's that I hate when a woman pretends to be a badass when she's not a badass. You know what I'm saying? It almost feels like when you're in like elementary school or middle school, oh, perfect. It's like you just graduated from elementary school and you're about to start at a middle school. And everybody at your elementary school knows you a punk. Everybody at your elementary school knows you are soft, you are nerd, whatever.

But then you go to your middle school. school and you start trying to be a new bitch because you're around new people, you know? She's at her new middle school and she's like, yeah, look at all these punks. I'm about to be the queen bee over here. And it's like, girl, I'm not impressed. You don't scare me. Like, you know, it was just, it's like she wants to be this bully. But the thing is, like Erica was more successful at it in the first place. Um, because as, as much as I didn't enjoy Erica, She did figure out how to sway the group. She became a leader, even though it's Kyle's group.

Erica's still like a leader within the group. She has a lot of say. She earned it. Diana comes in here, pretend she's never seen a store, and trying to be a big boss bitch, Sutton, you're clumsy. And then Sutton says, I will not have it. And the bitch starts crying. You can be big, bad, tough girl.

Oh, I'm from Bosnia. I'm Rolf. You know. And then Sutton, Strack, of all people, gets you crying. Because she put her doodoo nail in your face. Girl, get the fuck out of here, you loser. Sorry. I just can't stand her.

No, but I think also there's this weird, like, double standard with her where it's like, at the, you know, at Harry Hamlin's weird 70th birthday lunch. She's like, no, we, we. this isn't how we do things. Like we can't have, we're not going to be arguing about this. Like, we're better than this.

But then at the same time, in these like previews for the upcoming episodes, she's doing the whole like, you want a villain. I'll be a villain. Like fuck this, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, okay,

but like, are you coming in here to be like the classy one? Or are you coming in here to be like the villain? Because those things aren't really congruent. Right. And if you're, and my thing is I love a villain. Please come in here and be a villain.

But be good. at it. Like, to me, I'm not impressed if when you join this show and you identify a target in the group and the target is Sutton, Sutton, I mean, I enjoy Sutton, but like, she's no worthy adversary really. Like, Garcel had to teach that girl's self-esteem so she could speak up for herself. You coming into the group to, to like pick on her. Like, it just seems lazy. It just seems corny. it just and for her first major group scene to be a scene where Lisa Rina sets her up to be her mouthpiece and she's very quickly felled by sudden pulling receipts out of her purse like you your first your first battle went so poorly and the fact that she didn't know how to recover like

Lisa let her flail and did not say she just have you even seen Lisa in Dyevendia? Diana interact really ever since on the camera? No. Yeah. And like what you were saying about Sutton, it's like, I think Sutton gained a lot of points from most of us watching last season because she was the only one really asking the questions and standing up about the Erica stuff. But like Sutton is still not this like big top alpha dog in the group. Like she in her kind of personal relationships, she still really isn't, you know, she's shy and she's crying and she's stressed out and all of this stuff. And so it's like, yeah, like if Diana really was going to come in here and like mess things up as a villain,

she would be coming after Erica or she would be coming after Kyle or Doreet or, you know, any of these women that are kind of in that like main alliance, if you will. I would love to see someone go at Doreet because Doree hasn't really had much to do. I mean, I, well, no one's going to go after the woman who just got robbed. So yes, maybe that was a shield. this year. But like, I, like, switch it up. You know what I'm saying? If you're going to join the show, do something funky, do something interesting. But it's like, here you are pretending that you've never seen a store, but also you were born into poverty. I don't understand that. Like, you haven't been married long enough to forget what a store is. Like, that's ridiculous,

you know? And it's like, you come here for the lifestyle porn. I want to see the luxury. But she don't even bring luxury. God forgive me. Look at me talking like I have money at all. I don't. But like if, but like if I was sitting here being like, oh, I got $250 million from my Barclays executive husband, I would not look like Diana looks. You send people ahead of you to the hotel room and you have styles and everything and that t-shirt dress that doesn't fit around your bosom is the best you could come up with. Like what are we doing here, Diana? What are we doing here? Yeah. I mean, it just feels like kind of this whole like question mark around her that it's like, I believe she has money, but I don't necessarily like you said by all the stuff about the like I've never been in a store and I, you know, I couldn't possibly do any of this on my own.

But then also there's like the weird young husband who's like looks like a her son's twin. Yes, he looks like her son. And like what was so. annoying for me was that scene right it was at harry hamlet's party even lisa's got me using harry's last name but like so but like when he walked in do you remember when he was holding the wine and he was like we got the perfect wine from wherever place and i was like shut the fuck up you don't even go here again this is not your scene this is your wife's scene and so for this young man we've never met before to like walk into the scene before even Diana says anything.

And he's like, we got the, and I'm like, we didn't get anything. Her ex-husband bought that wine. Shut up. You know? I was like, oh. I was immediately put off, didn't want anything else from them. It is going to be interesting to see moving forward on Beverly Hills if they really casting wise are trying to bring in like Sutton or Garcell's friends to really upset that

kind of status quo because it never really feels like, like, Rina never actually has a challenger. Like Doreet and Kyle and Rina and Erica have kind of just been, you know, existing. I know Sheree is coming on the show. Now I'm excited to see her. I don't think she's going to be like ruining Kyle's life or anything. No, no. Did you watch Hollywood X's? No, I didn't.

Sheree was so great on it. She was fantastic. My favorite characters were Sheree and Nekomir. Eddie Murphy's ex-wife. Oh, yes. She was, there wasn't a lot of personality on that show. I think, I think, you know, Jose Conceco's ex-wife was a nut job. I mean, you have to be to be married to Jose Conceco of all people.

And then, you know, Prince's ex-wife, Maité was, she was crazy, but not in a, like, entertaining TV crazy kind of way. It's like she was crazy and I like, oh, wow, I went through a traumatic experience with Prince. So everything I do from here and out is weird. So that wasn't pleasant, really. But Sheree was just so much fun. She was very likable, very affable, just funny, sharp. She's quick-witted.

And she knows how to, she knows how to make mess. If you want to talk about a producer, Sheree, she's a producer. Interesting. I wonder, yeah. I mean, it's hard to know. obviously we are just about to meet her on the show. But when somebody comes on as a friend, there's always that question of, are they just going to kind of be around or are they going to come in and actually

stir it up a little bit? And I would enjoy that, I think. If she was a little more active. Garcel had Garcel had Cherie over in a scene once. Do you remember? And like, Cherie was asking the right questions. She was trying to get shit started. She was trying to shake things up.

I think that Cherie will probably play it cool because she isn't full-time. But I think if they ever gave Cherie a diamond, oh, I think we would get something really, really, really good. Because I don't think she would go picking a fight with Erica, but she also wouldn't sit there at the table while Erica disrespected Sutton that way, you know? Right. That dinner party from hell scene last year would not have. happen that way if a woman like Cherie were at the table. It would not have happened. Strong words, but I'm excited to see it. Before we, before we wrap up, back to the idea of All-Stars casting and Ultimate Girl's Trip. I'm curious, who that hasn't been on one of these shows yet

would you like to see together in the future? Well, so here's my question about Ultimate Girls Trip altogether. All-Stars, you say, right? We keep colloquializing it and saying all-stars, right? Right? But they specifically call it Ultimate Girls Trip because they can't get the All-Stars, right? And who's an All-Star anyway? You know, I think that the first season had All-Stars. You can't do better. Well, you can, slightly. But you can't do much better than Luann, Ramona, Kenya, Kyle, Cynthia.

Am I missing someone? And, oh, Melissa, she's a nothing. Teresa. And so, like, those are big, big, big deals, right? And even Melissa to some degree, because she's been such a long-time adversary on Teresa, and even if Melissa herself doesn't bring anything as a person, she's a placeholder for a lot of Teresa's conflict. Sure. That's amazing. But like, I hear Eva's doing great things on the season. Twitter seems to love Eva right now. Reddit seems to love Eva right now. But who went in their mind and was like, of all the women who've ever been on Real House, so I just. as Atlanta, we really need to see Eva again. Like, who the fuck thought that? No one did.

So, but, but then it's like, are they, like, who's doing the casting? Because maybe some genius is like, oh, Brandy and Fadra together make a lot of sense, you know? Yeah, this season has been fun so far. Like, I think if you, if you do end up watching it, there are some really, like, surprising fun moments. But when you say All-Stars, it's like, yeah, like, we're not getting NeNe. We're not getting Bethany. we're not getting LVP.

Like there are, some of the kind of undeniable all-stars are just not going to do it. They're not going to do. And oh my gosh, I would, I would love to see LVP back, but I think, you know,

she's been so removed from a group dynamic with her peers that she would probably not be successful or thriving in that dynamic. But I think justice for Claudia Jordan. Okay. Oh. We need to bring her back. because she's fearless.

I want to see her. Carol will never come back, but I want to see Carol again. Yeah. I think she got a bad shake at the end. I think she got a poor edit. I think that Bethany was the terrorist in that situation. And I just want some redemption for Carol,

although she's turned into a nut job on Twitter. I would love to see, hmm, in New Jersey. Oh, no. I'm good on. I'm good on. I'm good on everybody on Jersey. Who would I want to see? Do I want to see from Orange County?

I like Tamara. I like Tamara. I'm happy she's there. I just don't want to have to watch Vicky to see Tamara, you know? Yeah. I like Tamara. I would love to see Tamara again. I liked Alexis Bellino, like not as a woman.

Like I would never hang out with Alexis. But like Alexis deserves to be on TV, I feel. I, you know? I always, I call, I like to call. I don't call Alexis Bellino my idiot queen because like, she is, I don't know what's happening in her brain, but I was always, I was always enjoying it. Yes. I rewatched an episode recently. It was, it was the episode where Alexis's friend ate the bow off of Heather's cake.

First of all, that was so ridiculous. Yeah, I mean, it's just, that's like, that's why we watch Housewives, moments like that, where it's like, it's like, it's so. so dumb. It's so brilliant. It just works. It was perfect. And what I realized was that Alexis never got a fair shake. They were all just ready to pounce on her because she was stupid and loved her husband. You know what I mean? And I just want to see like what a woman like that who's now divorced from that husband and, you know, has come into her own. She's in her 40s now. I just want to see if Alexis would be like more confident around these other women. And if she would argue as stupidly, she had in the past, if she's learned to make sense or not.

Like, I want to see it. I like Alexis. I liked her a lot. I don't need any of the Atlanta or Potomac women to interact with other people because I'm not done seeing them interact with each other. Like, I'm not finished. There's way more from Karen and Giselle to see. I don't want to get diluted with some fight Giselle or Karen would have with, like,

brandy or something. What other, it's New York, Jersey. Atlanta, Patonleman. Any salt lake ladies here trying to see on a girls trip? Oh, I don't think any of them have earned a girls trip yet, to be honest. Oh, mic drop and there we, there we have it. No salt lake on the girls trip. None.

I think that's fair. We can give it another year or two. Ray, thank you so much for doing our podcast. It's been so fun chatting with you today. Thank you for having me. Like, I love that I get to talk to people about this stuff like this because all my friends think I'm psycho. And also, like, it's just so nice because it allows you to connect with people you probably wouldn't otherwise encounter. So I have never met you before, Dylan, but I'm glad I have.

Amazing. Well, thank you. Before we go, let everyone know where they can follow you, whatever you have going on, all that stuff. Yes. So I am Ray Sani on Twitter. and Ray Sonny 87 on Instagram. You can follow me there. I'm starting to do stand-up all over again.

So I'll be posting shows and things on those sites. And also, I wrote for a really awesome show that's premiering on July 13th on free form called Everything's Trash, starring Phoebe Robinson. And we did a phenomenal job, if I may say so myself. And so, you know, tune in and make sure this show is a success because I like money. And yes. Yes. Oh my gosh. Well, thank you so much. Thank you everyone for listening. Don't forget to rate review and follow the show wherever you listen so you never miss an episode. You can follow us on Instagram at Bravo by Betches. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Mentioned at all is produced by Dylan Hafer, Sean Kilby, Jorge Morales Pico and Rebecca Sousmakat. Editing by Jorge Morales Pico. Social media by Dylan Hafer. Guest booking by Dylan Hafer and Ali Friedlander. Be sure to follow at Bravo by Betches on Instagram and Twitter.

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