Mention It All - Is Teresa Rewriting History? Ft. Jordana Abraham (RHONJ)

Episode Date: May 10, 2023

Dylan is back with Jordana, and they start with the surprising announcement that Dorit is hitting the road in the UK this winter. Then, they dig into another episode of RHONJ, which sees Teresa and Louie revising history to make Joe the bad guy. They also get into the shifting tides of Dolores’ family, and why the rumor about Melissa has overstayed its welcome. Check out our latest promo codes here: https://betches.com/promos Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the Mentioned All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer, and I am glad to be back here for another Wednesday episode with Jordana Abraham. Hey, Jordana. How's it going? Hi, Dylan. Excited to be back. Lots to unpack this week.

Lots to unpack. We are getting toward that Royal wedding of New Jersey, but first we have some exciting, I guess, breaking news to get to. Doreet Kemsley has some holiday plans and she is going to be spending her December in the UK touring around with Boy George in a production of Peter Pan. I asked when we got on the microphone if you had seen this and you were like, no, but then you looked at it and you were like, oh, I did see this and I thought it was a joke. Right.

I mean, it's sort of like if there was ever a show to get high before, that would be it. Yes. Okay. So I have gotten some insight from British Bravo fans. So this is not like a classic stage musical, I guess. It's something called a pantomime or like a Panto, which is a thing in the UK, it's like a holiday family show where there's like slapstick humor, hijinks, the audience. participation. It's not like, I don't think we're going to be giving like Tony worthy performance in Peter Pan the tour. But also, Jagra and Phoenix are going to be in the show as part of Peter Pan's gang. This is, they're really going for it. That was the part that I really thought was a joke. Well, okay. It's all, it all just gets wackier and wackier. I mean, I would see it if I was, if I was there. I would too. They're doing a few dates in London in the first week of January. And I, and I, definitely am having that internal dialogue with myself where I'm like, I mean, I wouldn't, I don't

not want to go to London. So, right? Like the other. What about occasion? I'm like, I've always wanted to see, uh, Birmingham in December, I guess. I wonder if this will be as highly publicized there as the coronation. I don't know. I mean, some of the comments on this post already, people are like tagging their friends saying they should go. So, you know, if the ticket sales do really well, maybe they should give us a cut. Seriously, it's a kid show, I guess. I think so. I don't, I don't, I mean, I'm assuming so.

Okay. I mean, I'm intrigued. I'm sure a lot of the kids in the UK these days know who boy George is and are big fans. Right. I wonder if they're big fans also of, um, direct from Real Housewives. Um, yeah. So, you know, TBD on whether I will be flying to the UK sometime over the holidays. Um, but for now, we're closer to.

home talking about New Jersey. We're really getting down to the wire here. There's still a lot of wedding planning, I guess, to be done. Rehearsal dinner, RSVPs are still coming in or not. Watching wedding planning on a housewives show is always one of those things where I'm like, I get why you're performing the task of wedding planning for us on camera, but like I don't care. Right. Yeah, no, I agree. I mean, I guess some people are into like wedding planning and stuff, but for me, I've always kind of, you know, I did host Betches Brides. I do find that the vendor, the vendor stuff, um, a little boring. And I'm sure also, Teresa is not doing any of the planning herself, really. Right. She's like, well, uh, planning a wedding is so stressful,

but there's all this other stuff going on. It's like, I don't actually think you're like pulling out your hair, planning your wedding a week in advance, but. Yeah, I think she's just maybe approving, but whatever. One of my favorite parts about, um, it's, um, one of my favorite parts about this episode is right at the beginning. We're at Margaret's house and Jen Fessler comes over with her mother and her aunt, Mazzie and Cassie, these 80-year-old identical twins who are some of the funniest housewives side characters we've gotten introduced to in a while. I mean, I loved that whole thing. I couldn't believe they were fully matching. I had no idea which one was her mom throughout the entire episode. I don't even know. Like, they look exactly

the same, exactly the same hairdo. They were wearing the same shirt. I don't know. I don't know. I I thought it was like adorable and also like so weird, but like also so cute. I don't know. It's adorable, but also like that's their everyday lives. There's no way they're dressing this. Maybe when they're going to an event together, they're trying. But most twins like want a little individuality. Right.

I feel like I feel like your parents when you're a twin and you're like a little kid are dressing you matching. And then the second you're old enough to be like, I don't want to wear the pink dress. Like you're right like it's a parent mostly it's a parent thing where they're because they think it's cute but usually kids are not into it but these girls they must be truly identical and like and just really love being the same person. It's funny also because you know they're with Margaret and Marge Sr. And those two also kind of give off twin vibes obviously not like identical twins.

But I I saw them both on Monday night because I we were at the book club. movie premiere and they were there. And like walking down the red carpet, they have their like identical blonde Bob blowout haircuts. Like they're both in glam. Like they give off twin vibes a little bit too. Yeah. And I think they act more because I don't think there's like as much of a motherly really like it seems like they're more like sisters almost when she was being brought up. I feel like that was sort of hinted at when she talks about her relationship with her mom. I think like her mom had her young. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe. they probably are more like sisters

than mother and daughter and close in age and yeah they look very, very similar. It's funny that now like when someone new gets brought on a show like this they have to kind of do the performative thing of like filling them in on the drama and being like

well you know there's this girl Danielle and she's not on good terms with her family but then it's hard because then there's the Gorgas and the Juddices and it's like Massey and Kazi don't need to be burdened with the knowledge of the Gorga family drama. Yeah, I mean, that was, I was so funny that you said that because I was thinking the exact

same thing. Like, in a normal instance where you and a friend had lunch with your moms, you wouldn't like be explaining this whole thing. You would just like completely compartmentalize it. But it's so funny that they have to like pretend to be like giving commentary on, oh, she did that. Like, that's crazy. Like they definitely have no idea what's going on.

You're like, yes. So there's some drama in the. the group and like your daughter Jen is like just barely in the group and then she's talking to these new women. It's like what? It's so strange to think about if one of your family members joined a show like this and then you had to kind of play along. Like if my sister started talking to me about like the drama of the group, I would be like, what are you talking about? It's so, it reminds me of that scene in the office where like Jim says to Kelly, he's like, So what's like he comes back from he was in Stanford.

He comes back. He goes, what's new? Like what's going on with you? She goes, oh my God. So much to report. Like Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes had a baby. And they named your story. And then she starts like giving all the celebrity news that's kind of reminded me of this.

Right. It's like it's like your regurgitating page six about what's going on with Teresa and Melissa to your mother. Right. Someone who's like it doesn't really even involve you. Anyway. We also get to the Katania family dinner. with Paul and Brittany included. And guess what?

It went great. It went fine. Despite Frank's biggest fears, it went fine. Although I do kind of feel like Polly still hates him. Like, I definitely get that vibe. Like, he doesn't really want to speak to him. But it's nice that Frank sort of didn't get that vibe from him because I did. I agree.

I think the thing with Paul and Frank, it's like, I think Dolores kind of feel stuck in the middle. and like she is the one that's kind of pushing the narrative that you should be able to be friends with each other. You should be able to be in the same place. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And like, yes, they should be able to, you know, attend a dinner together and be fine. But like, I don't think Paul wants to be friends with Frank. Like, that's kind of like a template that Dolores has built because that's what's worked in the past or worked in quotation marks, I guess.

because obviously it hasn't quite worked out. But like maybe moving forward into the future, like Frank might not actually be around as much if that is not the kind of thing that's going to be working for everyone. I don't know if Frank knows that. Which is funny. I feel like he thinks they're going to be like a six-some. And I don't know if that's actually going to turn out that way.

But it's funny also because Dolores is not engaged. right, as of now? No. Paul is saying he has a ring, but then they're asking her in the confessional if he has a ring. And she's like, I don't know if he has a ring. And it's like, is this a, is this just like an inside joke? Are we, I don't, I don't know. I think he's sort of saying it as a way to be like to Frank.

Like, yeah, this is serious, like, back off. Yeah. Because I think Frank is not the kind of person. Like, he's going to downplay it until the day that there's a ring on her finger, until the day that they're walking down the aisle. He's going to be like, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, Polly seems like a nice guy, but you know, how serious is it really? And it's like, no, I, at least all of the things that we're hearing and seeing lead us to believe that it is quite serious.

Agreed. And I also, I thought it was great to give. Delora seems like she was probably such a good mom. Her kids seem so well adjusted and like just like fans of each other, but like not in a weird way. and just like two hardworking nice children. Totally. And I do love that we get that moment of Britney, sweet Britney, asking Paul if he spoke English when he moved from Ireland to the U.S. in his 20s. That was so funny. And then she was kind of making fun of her, the daughter,

but I wasn't exactly sure what she was saying. She was like, it's almost like you're my friend or something. And it's funny because it kind of. of was a callback to me of a couple episodes in Ireland when Teresa was like, how much is 80 euros in English? It's like, what do these women think Ireland is? They're not the sharpest knives in the drawer for sure. And what did, I think Melissa said something also that was very funny. I forgot what it was, something sort of similar. I think they, in their minds, it's like everywhere that's not New Jersey is just like vaguely exotic. And so they're like, oh, Ireland. Like a,

a different place, a different language. Language. Not quite. Not exactly. But yeah, I wouldn't say this is the most cultured crew, but it's okay. So good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom Rack stores now and up to 60% off. Stock up and save on the brands you love like Vince, Sam Edelman, Frame and Free People.

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Okay, so we touched on the Teresa and Louis wedding planning conversation a little bit at the beginning, but I want to get into it a little more. So, Teresa and Louis are going over some details, and one of the things that Teresa is asking about is if Louis' mom wants to do, like, a father's son, dance with him at the reception, because obviously Teresa's dad is not around,

so there's not going to be any kind of like matching father, daughter, whatever. Louis calls his mom. His mom is very much like, whatever you want. I'll do whatever. It doesn't make a difference to me. Teresa's immediately like, see, like his family is so easy, so accommodating. And like my family, Joey and Melissa, they give us nothing. Well, it's like you weren't asking Joe to give you a father-daughter dance.

Right. The thing is, I think in this conversation, and we get into the thing of, you know, there was a text that she sent about the rehearsal dinner. And, you know, Melissa says they can't come because they didn't know. And so they only left the day open for the wedding. And there's some, seems to be some disagreement about whether they should have known there was going to be events the day before, I guess. but like... Can I also just say that I thought it was very weird that when Louis' mom picked up, he was like, hey, sexy.

Did anyone else catch that? I missed that. He was like, how's it going? Like, super sexy. He said something about her being sexy. And I was like, I don't know if we needed to do that. It felt uncomfortable to me. I guess it was like so quick.

But I was like, that's a weird way to greet your mom. It's not the only time in this episode that Louis will make me feel a little bit unsettled. But so this text thing is being blown up by Teresa and Louis as this, you know, line in the sand. You know, Louis says it makes him sick reading the text. Teresa is basically then blaming Melissa for not letting Joey have his family. And, you know, then it's turning into this narrative from Louis that Joe can't stand to see her happy. And no matter what man she's with, it's going to be an issue. And now that they're getting married, he has to.

get in the way. I don't necessarily think like Joe and Melissa have always been the most perfect supportive siblings, but it does feel like we're we're jumping to some conclusions here because they aren't available to attend to the rehearsal dinner. Totally. I mean, listen, I totally get. I think it is a little crazy that she's going to pretend that she didn't know there was a rehearsal dinner. Like, there's always a rehearsal dinner before a wedding and it's not like, it's not like Teresa and Louis are so low-key that they would not do a rehearsal dinner. So I do think it's a little passive-aggressive that she made other plans for that night. And I do think it isn't like the nicest thing that she's not coming. It doesn't really seem to feel particularly bad about it.

So I can understand being a little annoyed about that. Although I think Louie takes it to an extreme level that I don't think is necessary, calling him like trash and the scum on the street. Like it's like they didn't do anything that crazy. crazy. It's not insane. He also wasn't even going to invite them, it seemed like, on the last episode or two episodes ago. That, I believe, was, is a different dinner that's happening on Thursday before the wedding. So, so they weren't going to get the invite on Thursday, but then they did get the invite on, I guess, Friday and aren't available to attend. So there's a lot of wedding events clearly happening. Right. But you would imagine like to give, and I'm not usually a Teresa

defender, but you would imagine that Melissa would before making plans on the Friday before her sister-in-law's wedding would have asked Teresa like, hey, I just want to make sure there's nothing going on the night before. Like that's what I would, if I had a friend whose wedding, I knew their wedding was a certain date. Right. I would probably save the whole weekend or at least ask them if I, if I needed to have another plan. So. Yeah. I think that's that I agree that. I agree that probably it was a little bit, you know, short-sighted, petty, whatever you want to call it on the part of Melissa and Joe to not kind of just clear that their schedule that weekend. But also it's one of those things where I feel like you can view individual choices in a vacuum. But when you zoom out, it's like these people don't have a good communication with each other. They don't have, they're not in a good place generally. So it's like something that should be such a simple text that it's like, hey, just making sure before we make any plans, like, is there going to be an event on Friday night that we should be keeping open? Like, it becomes this whole thing because they can't just communicate with each other like normal, well-adjusted people.

Right. That's a great point. And like everyone is sort of like trying to prove something with their actions, which then leads other people to prove things with their actions, which leads to everyone sort of like fighting about the specific thing at hand when the real issue is. obviously the larger relationship. Yeah. And Louis seems to be at sort of a breaking point. There's a couple scenes in this episode where he's really sort of spiraling out talking about Joe specifically. In this first one, he's, Teresa's kind of like, she even seems a little bit taken back. She's like, okay, yeah, like, uh-huh, like just kind of just try to stay calm. And he says, you know what it's like for me to be calm around an animal like that? I'm not going to lower myself to trash.

And it's like, have you, have you stayed calm around him this whole season? I don't, I wouldn't really say that that's what's happened. Yeah. I would also, I would feel like uncomfortable. No matter what they were doing, I would feel a little uncomfortable talking about someone's brother that way, like if they weren't talking about them that way. I, I thought it was like, even, like, I agree with you. Teresa even looked like she was like not digging into that.

like she was a little hesitant to go there or let him go there. And I do think it kind of crossed a line the way she's talking about him because it's not like he's saying he's yelling about specific actions that they're doing. He's making it like full character personality traits and he's like name calling, which I don't necessarily think you hear from the Gorgas. They complain about Teresa's actions and how she doesn't feel this way about her family, but they're never saying like she's a piece of shit. She's trash.

Like they're never released. like taking it to that level. And I think it is a little crazy that someone would speak about their wife's brother that way. It would be one thing if Teresa was saying it, but she's not. Yeah, I agree with you. I think to Teresa's credit, she has specific things, specific issues, specific instances that have really rubbed her the wrong way and where she's felt like Joe hasn't

supported her or Melissa has done things to upset her. like I think regardless of kind of like who you like more, having disagreements about specific things is valid. Whereas Louis almost seems to be doing the same thing that he's criticizing Joe for where he says that Joe is going to have a problem and get in the way and, you know, create issues with any man that she's with. And now that they're getting married, he can't handle it. And Louis on this episode is calling him an animal, calling him a rat, calling him trash, calling him saying he wouldn't give him a cup of water in. the street. Like all of this stuff, it's like, you are at like an equally, if not lower place with the way you're talking about this guy. Whereas like Joe, I mean, Joe and Teresa aren't hanging out in this episode. It's not like they're having some big blowout fight and that's causing

problems. It's like they're at this point in the season, they're spending a lot of time apart talking about each other. And like their, their tone of voice, like you see. said is a lot different than the way that Louis is kind of ratcheting up the intensity. Yeah. And it definitely made me kind of uncomfortable that he's that he's doing that. I feel like it was, it's just, also it's in such such juxtaposition to the way you feel like he wants to be seen around everything else, which is like this peacemaker and this like,

you know, like, like man who's in touch with his feelings and maybe men, very into mental health. Like that's not someone who, to me, who's prioritizing mental health. That's not really the way they would want to be seen speaking about someone. Yeah. I also think there's a little bit of revisionist history going on from Louis because he's, he's kind of making it seem like he's been pushed finally to this breaking point where he can no longer, you know, sit silently and just stay calm and watch Joe destroy Teresa and blah, blah, blah.

But if you go back, one of the first. episodes of this season, I remember talking about that moment where it's Teresa and Louis and I think like Gabriella is there at home. And Louis is calling Joe Garbage, Joe and Melissa in that scene. And so it's like, he's been expressing these thoughts about the Gorgas pretty much over the whole course of this season. They've, they've also, you know, argued in the past. Like, it's not like, it's not like Louis has never said a negative word about Joe and Melissa. And then it's just like, like, you know, like finally getting pushed to a breaking point here. Yeah.

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in this conversation, but I do, I do just want to bring up the point where she makes the claim that she and her ex-husband, Joe Judice, only ever started to fight because of things that Joe Gorga did to interfere with their relationship. And I just, like, ma'am, roll footage, please, come on. Oh, my God. Yeah, I'm so glad that you brought that up because I was thinking the same thing,

especially when you talk about revisionist history. like, I mean, do we not remember when Joe Judice made that, that very infamous Napa call? The bitch wife phone call? Yeah. Like, we can't. It's kind of like not everything can be blamed on Joe and Melissa. Not like, yeah. Well, I think that's also, as somebody who likes to kind of stay somewhat neutral in these situations,

I like to look at both sides and really, you know, give a fair shot to kind of each person. Where Teresa tends to lose me a little bit is when it seems like she is kind of dismissing all this stuff that we've watched play out over the years just for the sake of a narrative that kind of is one-sided. And I think the thing with her ex is such like the perfect example of that where it's like she still has this instinct to kind of downplay the issues in that relationship, which ended in divorce. They're not together anymore. And it's like you don't have to, you don't have to make up a narrative about what your marriage was like now that we've watched it play out. Now that you're happily with someone else married again, your kids are doing great. You both made it through the prison years or whatever. Like it feels like that is kind of the lack of growth that we want to see where it's like you're, you know, you're going to the therapist.

It seems like you're making good strides in some areas, but then it's like if you still can't admit to yourself that there were just some inherent issues in your relationship with Joe that weren't caused by somebody else fucking with you. It's like you, come on. Yeah. She's almost like trying to gaslight us as an audience into thinking that like that all these things were their result of someone else when that's not the case. And again, it doesn't mean that it's bad if they fought over other things. Joe wasn't the reason behind all of their fights. And I actually think to Joe's credit, we don't see him talk about Joe Judice at all this season. I mean, definitely not.

It's not like a main topic of conversation. I think last season that came up more kind of talking about the situation with him, you know, not being around and the prison stuff and all of that. That's definitely been kind of a thread in the past. But this year, I do feel like Joe and Melissa are kind of. in the next phase. Like they're not actually thinking about what happened in 2012 that much when they're dealing with Teresa in 2022. Right.

And I mean, to their credit, maybe because I'm pretty sure last season was when they were fighting with Gia and she was upset that they were saying, he was saying negative things about her father. Yeah. To that, to his credit, he hasn't said anything since, at least not on the show. And I think in my mind, I was kind of hoping that, Joe Judice had put it to bed, but I guess not since he's giving Louis, like the, he's sort of like bringing that drama into this new relationship by telling him that he should be angry with Joe, with Joe Gorga. Yeah. It also, it's funny to watch this stuff play out with the knowledge already that they don't end up going to the wedding because there's so much back and forth about maybe I don't even want them at the wedding. Maybe I'm starting to think that we shouldn't be at the wedding. And it's like, you're not going to go to the wedding. Right. We all know. Yeah. Well, they won't they?

They're really leaving it to like an 11th hour decision, which I think in some ways it seems like it was. But that it's like I think, you know, several episodes in advance we can kind of tell like it probably is the right choice, at least in that situation to not go. I mean, there's always going to be there's the thing of like, oh, well, you're not, you can't get that back and you're always going to have that thing of like, I wasn't at the wedding because we weren't getting along. And it's like these two entities have never really gotten along the entire time that we've been watching on the show. And it's like what are the chances that 10 years from now Melissa's really going to be like it's my biggest regret in life that I wasn't at Teresa and Louis's wedding? I think it's better for them to not go. And the only thing I did agree with Louis saying was like the energy of them being there would probably take away from it because there is such.

tension between them. So like in that regard, I kind of did agree with him. Like it's better if they don't go because it's just going to bring down the energy. So I guess there's that. Love and light, you know. Love and light, bitch. Yeah. No, I'm a, I feel like I'm a supporter of sometimes you got to just like leave things where they are and do the best with what you have. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's like almost by going you're saying you're trying to prove something. And like, what are you trying to prove that you're close? No one thinks that. Right.

Exactly. It's like proving that you're a loving family. It's like, I don't, that's not really. That ship has sailed. Exactly. Right. Like, pretending that it's some like one time issue that is going to be worked out next month is just like, I don't think any of them are living in that delusion anymore.

So it's like best to just leave it. Agreed. The other thing I want to get to is the continuing conversation around Margaret's ex-best friend, Laura, and the chaos that she's causing. within this group without ever showing her face. There seems to be kind of a circling the drain effect of this rumor that she told to Jennifer and Teresa about Melissa making out with another guy because, of course, they were talking about it in Ireland a little bit.

Jennifer, I guess, told Margaret that she's no longer talking to Laura, but then Jennifer tells us the audience that she, like, called Laura to see who she's been talking to. There's this whole question. Danielle is going to have to tell Melissa. It does feel like this has been going on just a little too long to me. Right. I think they could have wrapped this, especially because I actually don't really think there is any truth to the, if there was truth to it, I think we could take it maybe until the end

of the season. But it just seems so random and like not that interesting almost at this point. Right. That I agree they should like cut that. I think the thing for me is so. I guess the idea is that the most damaging part of this rumor is that it may be originated with Margaret and that this would rip apart the friendship between Margaret and Melissa. But that's just, we know that doesn't happen. It doesn't feel like it's going to happen. It hasn't been born out

in their dynamics since then. They're still friends. And so if it felt like it was like leading up to some large, you know, fracture within the group, it would be like, oh, hell yeah, this is going to be like finale moment, get into it at the reunion. But I'm like, okay, what? So Danielle is going to make this like huge scene out of pulling Melissa aside. And then Melissa is going to be like laughing her off. Like that or at the very, you know, maybe Danielle and Melissa then have like a bigger feud for next season. But it's like this rumor isn't actually going to like change anything.

Right. Because if it was going to, I think it would have already happened by now. Yeah, and even especially the fact that Jennifer has essentially, it seems like, chosen not to do anything with it except for give it to Danielle and kind of see what she does. It's like if this was going to be like a crowning, you know, big moment in a housewife's career, Jennifer would have taken it for herself. Yeah, I agree. I don't think it's happening.

They should let it die if I were them. I do think we only have like one, maybe two episodes left. So there's got to be something going on. We're going to be at Polly's Roaring 20s Ireland party, I guess. Yeah, that came up super organically, feel like. We've got to stop. You know what we should do? We should have an eye.

I think. Polly doesn't seem like he's like necessarily would be throwing this party appropriating his own culture just randomly on his own. Especially like three weeks after we did the whole Ireland. trip. It's like they really just, they were like digging the bottom of the barrel for for themes this year. And they're like, uh, the trip, Ireland. The party, Ireland. So what, someone got a little lazy when they were doing the, uh, the mapping out of the season. Ireland, but like in the past, perhaps. Right. Ireland, but like maybe slightly more offensive.

I think the Roaring 20s theme has now been like fully exhausted because the, the Atlanta season premiere earlier this week, there was a Harlem Knights theme, which was also just basically like roaring 20s. It's like, we can't keep doing like feathers and fringe and headbands. Like we got to, we got to switch it up. Agreed. Every couple years, there's like a new Housewives party theme that gets really overdone. Like there was like the murder mystery era. Oh, yeah.

It's like we got to shuffle the deck. Yeah, someone needs to come in there and freshen it up a bit. Maybe someone from The Bachelor can come consult. Oh, my God. I don't know if The Bachelor is really what we want to be aspiring to on Housewives. But there's got to be like a reality TV theme consultant. Like that, somebody must be getting paid $200,000 a year to do that. I mean, if there's not, I would like to apply to create the job.

Okay, good call. That can be like Betcha's next venture is just a reality TV consulting. Theme party consulates. It's a little more niche than that. Right, right, right, right. Reality TV themed party consulting. Perfect. Well, we will get to work on that.

But in the meantime, thank you so much, Jordana. It's always a pleasure. Thanks, Dylan. I'm so excited to be back in a couple weeks. Bye. And thank you everyone for listening. Don't forget to rate review and follow the show wherever you listen. You can follow us on Instagram at Bravo by Betches.

And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Mention It All is produced by Dylan Hafer, Sean Kilby, Jorge Morales, Pico, and Rebecca Sous McCat. Editing by Jorge Morales. Pico, social media by Dylan Hafer, guest booking by Dylan Hafer and Ali Friedlander. Be sure to follow at Bravo by Betches on Instagram and Twitter. All.

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