Mention It All - Is There Room For RHOSLC and Secret Lives of Mormon Wives?

Episode Date: October 14, 2024

Before we enter a busy time in the Bravo calendar, Dylan finds some time to sit down with all your listener questions for an MIA Mailbag. He answers questions and responds to hot takes from across the Bravo universe, including Ariana’s next career moves and why Jenna Lyons actually wants to be on RHONY. He also evaluates the relationship between RHOSLC and MomTok, the future of RHODubai, and why it might be time to really get serious about creating new Housewives franchises. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We are going to do a listener mailbag episode. We're going to talk about some of your questions, some of your hot takes. You guys have a lot of hot takes, and I got to say, some of them are great. Some of them, I don't know what you're smoking. But I am excited to get into it all.

We have a lot of variety of stuff we're going to talk about today. So I'm not going to waste any time, and I'm going to dive right in. Now, the first thing, this really stopped me in my tracks. Because as most of you likely know, Hoda copy recently announced that she will be. leaving the Today Show at the end of the year. Now, I posted a tweet about how I bet Bethany Frankel thinks she has a chance at that job.

But somebody said something so interesting. They said, Ariana Maddox as a potential co-host for Morning TV with Savannah Guthrie, Savannah, of course, being the other existing Today Show anchor, who I think will likely keep her job. The answer is no. I think that it's an interesting question. And I think that especially coming off of Ariana's job hosting Love Island USA this summer, Vanderpump Rules, still being in a state of question mark,

at least when I'm recording this, if something happens in the next week with Vanderpump Rules, you guys know what that is, and I don't yet. I think that Ariana has a lot of potential in the hosting, entertainer, personality space. But I think we should be careful to remember that hosting the Today Show, anchoring

the Today Show, is the job of a journalist, of a news broadcaster. And that is a fundamentally different job than somebody who's going to host, say, a talk show like a Kelly Clarkson or

like an Ellen DeGeneres or a Jennifer Hudson. That is a much more personality-based, you know, audience-based, you're talking, you're doing interviews, you're doing fun segments, things like that. Anchoring the Today Show is a news job. Now, the one thing that

is in that Today Show realm that I could maybe see Ariana being more of a fit for, is that what is it, the fourth hour of the Today Show, the third hour, that's been Hoda and Jenna, Jenna Bushhager for the last several years. It was prior to that. It was Hoda

and Kathy Lee Gifford. it's a lot looser. Sometimes there's a glass of wine. Jenna Bush has a book club. You know, it's a little bit more of like Today Show news light. I think they do some news on that hour, but it's not necessarily like meant to be a news program. I don't think that Ariana and Jenna Bush would make sense just from like a,

they're both like two younger white ladies. I don't think that's really hitting like the demographic marks that they're probably going for. But I do think that Ariana is probably talking to a lot of people, is probably exploring a lot of options. I mean, she did such a great job in Chicago on Broadway. They brought her back for a second stint after Love Island this summer. So I think that we have not seen The Last of Ariana on TV outside of Bravo. But I don't think that's the Today Show. And I don't know what that is, quite frankly.

I'm excited to see. I hope that she's kind of enjoying some time off right now, to be honest. but sky's the limit, not the Today Show. But excited to see what that is. Now, this next one, this is a hot take that I really had to wrestle with because I had never considered something like this. And this is, somebody said, I kind of wish we could get a fresh cast every three seasons of Housewives.

Keep it interesting. And this is a, it's a fascinating proposal because three seasons is, is a good chunk of time. You know, if you're following someone's life, that gets you in there. You feel like you know people after a season or two. The problem with this is that I think that Housewives fundamentally, you know, back in the day, obviously,

when every franchise was new, this was a little different. But so many of these storylines that we have really reveled in over the last 10 years have, been possible and been as impactful as they are because of the longstanding relationships that we have with these people as viewers and as, you know, fans of the format. And I think that I get the idea of switching up the cast. And I think that it's important that we do bring in new women. And sometimes it's time for people to go on pause or to go on, you know, permanent stop.

but I think that if you were fully turning over the cast every three years, you would run into the issue that we've had with Real Housewives of Dubai, with New York the last couple seasons a little bit, is that it feels like everything is a little bit surface level, and the conflicts, even if they are entertaining, they feel like they lack the stakes of a cast that's known each other for several years. And so I think kind of the way that they do it, obviously not every casting works out.

But I think the way that they've kind of established where, for the most part, every season, you're probably going to meet one or two new people. If a show is really in an amazing groove, they might go two or three seasons with the full same cast. And otherwise, you know, occasionally they need to pull the plug like they did with Roney, like they're, I guess, considering doing right now with New Jersey.

Another thing that I think would be tricky about this is that there actually is, a ceiling out there of how many women are destined to be real housewives. And the thing is, and I've talked about this a lot with New Jersey, is that prior to a couple seasons ago when they brought on Rachel Fuda and Danielle Cabral and Jen Fessler, they had not successfully cast anyone on New Jersey in a few years. And we've had similar periods like that. With Beverly Hills, we've had, you know, multiple seasons in a row have newbies kind of flamed.

out. With Atlanta, they've had trouble getting people to stick. Even with Salt Lake, it took them a while until, I mean, quite frankly, they've always had trouble casting new people. Maybe with the exception of Angie Kay, the only person they've, she's the only person they've cast on Salt Lake that's stuck around for more than a season, I think, fact check me, I guess. But it is not as easy as we want it to be to just find new housewives. And so I think if you were, if you were putting in place a system where you were forcing yourself every few years to completely turn over the soil and find a new crop of women, there would be potentially a lot of duds. And I don't, I don't think that we are, I don't think that we're losing out on enough by keeping women on for a long

time that it would be worth kind of the risk of always going for the unknown. I think grass is greener sometimes and I think we've got a lot of green grass right now. And so I'm good to stay with that. I always get asked, who are some of my best and worst bravo-leb interactions? And I can honestly say, and I think I've said this before probably on the show, I do not have a lot of negative bravo-leb reactions. There are people who are inherently warmer, kinder, friendlier. There are people that, are a little bit less outgoing in that sense. But I very rarely have a rude interaction. I've talked about this.

My one that really sticks out was Josh Flagg at BravoCon last year. He just was not in the mood when I saw him. But, you know, Josh Flagg, it's all good. My best Bravo Lab interaction, though, this is a fun one. And I don't know if I've talked about this. Actually, I probably did around BravoCon last year. Also, from BravoCon, Shane, Shane Simpson. My King.

He was so warm and so lovely when I met him. He was so kind. He knew who I was, which obviously I don't expect everybody's husband to know who I am. But he was just so friendly and so just kind. And somebody also asked if there are any Bravo Labs that I know for sure are mentioned all listeners or fans. And this is a funny one because I don't really know. I mean, I never ask people if they. listen to the show. And I, to be honest, I assume most of them don't, because this is like what they do.

This is their lives. And I don't think I would really want to listen to someone talk about my personal life for 30 minutes a week or something. But Shane Simpson has told me he listens to the podcast. So Shane, if you're listening right now, you're a great guy. Love seeing you and Emily doing well on the show. I don't know. I mean, Shane Simpson, A plus. I mean, even for me, me, it's hard even to listen to a lot of other Bravo podcasts. And there are so many great ones. And of course, I've listened to some other Bravo podcasts, but it is one of those things where it's like when you're in it a lot all the time, I don't know. Some of these people on these shows, I know spend way too much time listening and reading and watching. And I really would implore them all to not. I don't know. At a certain point, it's like nothing good can come from seeing

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Do you really think she does have money problems and they made her an offer she couldn't refuse? This is a good question because I think when I recapped the premiere, I talked about this. I haven't, as I'm sitting now, I've only seen the premiere. So I'm assuming that Jenna's girlfriend didn't pop up on episode two. It's a good question. Like, why does she want to be there? Does she want to be there?

And if she does want to be there, why doesn't she want the rest of her life to be there? And I think that my kind of hypothesis about this is that there was a time in the 2010's, let's say, when Jenna was still at J-Crew, and she was a genuine fixture in the fashion, lifestyle, New York culture world. she was recognizable to a lot of people. She held a great deal of power and influence. I mean, obviously she had a job that I'm sure was paying her very well, which isn't insignificant. But I think more than the money, she had a place in culture. And I have to imagine for somebody like her that that is a little bit addictive, or maybe not addictive, but it feels good, probably. and after she left J.Crew, until she was on Housewives,

I don't know everything that she was doing. I'm sure that she had lots of opportunities and things like that, but I think it's fair to say that she was not in the public consciousness and in culture the same way that she was for several years while she was kind of at her height at J.Crew. And so I think more than the money, because let's be real, in 2024, Bravo is not paying. anybody

fuck you money to be on housewives. I think there are very few people on Bravo and you might be surprised and I, of course I don't know

what everyone is getting paid. Jenna Lyons is not getting paid millions of dollars to be on Roney. She is probably making for the season maybe healthy

six figures. I don't know exactly where I don't know exactly the scale but you know maybe I would

would say I would be surprised if she's making more than a million dollars for the whole season. Because they just don't pay people like that anymore. And I mean, they never really did for the most part. But these are women who are on their second season of Housewives. First season Housewives notoriously, unless they are, you know, Denise Richards, do not get paid that much at all. But I think that being on this show, whether or not Jenna really enjoys it, and I think she probably enjoys certain parts of it,

it gives her a position. It gives her a place, you know, she's doing press for this show. She's going on talk shows. She's on, you know, she's doing interviews. She's getting talked about. And, you know, last season we saw her with her lash line and people didn't love that she gave out a whole gift bag of branded stuff. And it is what it is. But I think that's really when it comes down to it, that's why a lot of people are on housewives.

People like being in a position. where they're going to feel like they are seen and heard and talked about. And, you know, the personal life stuff, I think that as long as Bravo is willing to sort of put up with Jenna's boundaries, and I think for two or three seasons, they probably are fine with it. I think it's kind of a good deal for everyone. Having, I mean, as much as Jenna kind of frustrates me in her boundaries, I think that having her on the show does add sort of some kind of patina to it

of, I don't know, luxury, influence, power. There is kind of this fashion skew to a lot of the cast, and so I think having her there really makes it feel legit. But yeah, I don't think it's money. I don't think she's having money problems. That's perhaps she is, you never know, but I don't think that that is the reason that she's on the show. This next one, somebody said,

I wish Salt Lake City would do a deeper dive on Mary's family history. You and me both, I think I discussed this a couple episodes ago, maybe the second week of Salt Lake City this season, that it feels strange to have Mary back this season in a full-time capacity and compared to the last time that she was full-time on the show when it felt like there was so much heat coming at her and so many people digging around and asking questions and and, you know, raising concerns about her church and her life and her family and all of this stuff, it feels like this time we are not going near her with a 10-foot pole. Because Mary, all of a sudden on this season, at least through a few episodes,

she'll make her little shady comments, she'll say that who cares about Britney's relationship and all of this stuff. But nobody really seems interested in having any sort of real, conflict with Mary. And, you know, maybe conflict in a way that's like, oh, we're arguing about something. But it doesn't feel like anyone is particularly interested in like going after her, quote unquote. And I have mixed feelings about that. Because on the one hand, I think that maybe Housewives is not the best format for us to really

uncover whatever darkness may or may not be there with the Cosby family, the other one. But I think that it is a little frustrating that it feels like we're sort of being presented with more Mary this season with no kind of pushback. It doesn't feel like anybody is sort of being like, oh yeah, reminder, she was accused of all of this stuff, or there's been all this, you know, shady rumors or nastiness, you know, like, it feels like we're kind of getting like just Mary as is take it or leave it and there's no kind of, you know, obstacles for her. So what actually I think would be maybe more interesting is somebody outside of the Bravo landscape kind of doing that digging. And I'm sure people have looked into it. I mean,

you look at like the like ABC um you know like Shaw Squad and housewife and the hustler I'm sure people are trying I'm sure people have tried I'm sure it's it's enough of interest that I think if it was an easy thing to sort of expose I think it would have been already you know like easy legally I mean like if there's you know not a big um issue with it but yeah I don't disagree And I think, you know, we still have a lot of season left to go, so I don't want to, like, I don't want to drag anyone for not dragging Mary when we're, what, three, four episodes in. But I'm sort of, I'm side-eyeing a little bit that we are now not questioning Mary's

background at all. And also, if she's full-time, we should be talking about something with her. We're not seeing her husband. We're hearing that her son is asking for $60 on cash app. But, like, there has to be something else in the words of Teresa Judey. Study And play. Come together on a Windows 11 PC.

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somebody said, Do you think the cast of R-HOSLC feels threatened by the new show Secret Lives of Mormon Wives? It seems like this new show is basically a younger version with more drama. Is there room for both shows? The short answer is yes. I think there's room for both shows. But also, yes, I think the cast of Salt Lake City probably feels threatened in a way by the new show. Because I think that there is absolutely room for both, partially just because they are

not only are they on different networks, but they feel like they are sort of existing in different planes of reality. That maybe sounds dramatic, but I think that Real Housewives is such an institution, and especially at this point, we're five seasons into Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. It is, I really think, one of the most popular franchises at this point, not necessarily, I don't know in terms of ratings,

but when it comes to cultural conversation, they have been able to bring us such major moments in their first handful of seasons. And people really have latched on to a lot of these women. And I think that importantly here, I think that Salt Lake City is one of the most watched franchises by casual Housewives fans. I think that there are a lot of people who maybe only watch one to three Housewives franchises where Salt Lake is, one of those. For some people, it might be the only one. And I think part of that is the lower season count. It's a lot less of a barrier to entry if you're, you know, looking for a show to binge. I also just think that they've done a great job of really being in the cultural consciousness.

So you feel like when the Jen Shaw stuff is happening, when the reality Von T's stuff is happening, you feel like you're missing out if you don't watch it. It's kind of like how many people do you know that started watching Vanderpumpurals after Scandival? Because all of a sudden it was like, I know, I know that there's something major here that I don't have the ability to engage with. And so I got to go figure out what all this is about. And I think that Salt Lake has had a couple of moments like that, a couple of seasons like that.

But I think that Secret Lives and Mormon Wives, if anything, maybe is a good little reminder that a new show can come along and really pop and really work and have an ensemble cast that we immediately feel invested in. And I think that that is something aside from Housewives of Salt Lake City, I think that Bravo has struggled with that a little bit in terms of creating new shows that we feel invested in.

I mean, a lot of people were asking when I put up this question box, and I'll talk a little bit more about that, what is going to happen with Dubai? Do we care about Dubai? People are still very polarized about the new New York cast. We've seen some other more ensemble shows kind of come and go, like Family Karma didn't get brought back, Shaw's didn't get brought back. I mean, Shaz was on for a long time, so it's a little different.

But some of these newer shows, Summer House Martha's Vineyard, for example, it is difficult to start an ensemble show from scratch and have people really buy into it, especially when with Bravo, they have so many other shows that people are already watching. But I think that Secret Lives of Mormon Wives shows that that ability, is out there. That show was number one on Hulu for weeks. It was their biggest unscripted premiere of the year, I think. It just got renewed for season two. People are like clamoring for a second season. And I think that a show like that, and also, I mean, really the best Bravo example lately is the Valley. People were not excited for that show and it totally over-delivered and now we can't wait for it to come back.

I think that if anything, maybe Secret Lives of Mormon Wives should be encouraging to the development team at Bravo, to these production companies that are working on, you know, packaging new shows and casts together, that it still can be done. And, you know, at this point, probably two wife ensemble shows in Utah is enough. But I would like to see a new house size franchise. and that it's crazy that we are at a place in 2024 where that feels like maybe a bold thing to say or an unpopular opinion because I think we've had some trouble getting new housewives franchises off the ground

but I would like to see it and I think they should do it on Peacock and I think that secret lives and Mormon wives and to a lesser extent the valley really make me think that if they find the right people if they find the right place, if they, you know, right place, right time, it might be lightning in a bottle.

But I think that there is still the ability out there to start a new franchise that really has that secret sauce to get people to care. And I don't know where it is. I don't know who it is. That's not my job. That's above my pay grade. And I think that unfortunately,

or maybe it's not that unfortunate, I think that probably means letting Dubai go. And I talked about this when the season ended, that kind of my stipulation was, I think they can come back if they can do it faster than two years because I don't think that that is worth it if it takes that long to do a season.

But when I actually think about it, and I think maybe Mormon wives made me think more about it, it's like, it's been two seasons. I don't know if there's enough passion there from the viewers. And I think that what we don't need is a housewives show that, stays on for five seasons because it's easier than doing something else,

but that nobody ever super cares about and season after season, I'm going to have to decide whether I want to recap every episode or whether I want to find something else to talk about even though there's a Housewise franchise airing because, to be honest, you guys don't care. And I know that some of you cared about Dubai this season.

And I cared about Dubai this season, and I talked about Dubai this season, and I talked about it, not every week, but a lot. And that's fine. But imagine if there was something that was more exciting, something that felt fresh and something that felt different. I don't know what that is, but I would like to find it. But the actual question I got about Dubai was, should we let Dubai go and turn the budget

to a Dallas reboot? And I think I'm on the record as saying that I enjoyed Real Housewives of Dallas for the most part, that last season was rough. I think it made sense for them to put it on semi-permanent pause. But I think that there's time for it. I think that there's room for it. And I think that there's room for something with Texas. And I talked about this.

If you listened to my episode last week with Mickey Guyton, she is from Texas, and we talked a little bit about that, and about how many different sort of flavors of Texas there are, and that Real Houseways of Dallas didn't necessarily do a great job at capturing kind of the scope of what is possible in Texas. So that might be a spot. I mean, I do, some of those Texas women I'm into, I mean, if you look at, like, Brandy's social media has kind of gone off the deep end. I don't think that's great.

I think that Tiffany Moon has kind of past that at this point. So I'm not sure. I mean, Cameron Westcott, let's not. I don't know if there's enough there to really be worth a reboot in the way that, say, Miami was rebooted. But I think that there's fertile ground in Texas or a million other places. I mean, Salt Lake's in Milwaukee right now. Probably not that. Maybe like, I do think that somewhere in the Midwest, you know, I'm from St. Louis.

I have family from Michigan. I spend time in Chicago. You know, there are a lot of places in the Midwest that I think have maybe like smaller pockets of the type of people that would be on Real Housewives. But I think if they cast it just right, it could really work. And, I mean, look at Salt Lake. Look at Mormon wives. is not a part of the country that most people would have anticipated having this much going on. And I think that you could find it somewhere else.

I think I feel like I talked about that for a long time. But it's tricky. It's complicated. Somebody said, hot take. I'm kind of over the taglines. They just don't hit the same anymore like the OGs. I don't super disagree. I think it is, it's tough at this point because we pretty much know that most of these women do not write their own taglines.

And sometimes what will happen, and I've heard people talk about this, is that they will have taglines written for them by someone with the show, with production, with the network, I don't know. Usually there's a few. They will also sometimes bring their own taglines that either they have written or somebody has helped them write or somebody has fully written for them. And so you can go into that shoot and say, I know what I want my tagline to be. I wrote this. I feel like it's great for me. I feel like it's on brand, it matches my storyline, it's funny, whatever. You can have a tagline that you feel so strongly about,

and they're still going to make you record the other ones that they wrote for you, and they're going to pick whatever the fuck they want. So, first of all, a lot of them don't write their own taglines. Second of all, they don't have control over which tagline gets chosen for them. And also, I think a lot of the time, unfortunately, sometimes the good writing is not served by the delivery. And I think that's a conversation we need to have. Because some of these women, they're having these zingers written for them that are really sassy, that are really snarky.

And they're kind of delivering them like they're reading the newspaper. So I think there are still great taglines. I think it's like a fun little thing. I mean, at this point, it's like it's a Bravo Housewives staple. So I think it would be like a little unnecessary to just get rid of them. But I agree. Hit or miss. Hit or miss at best.

our friend Gibson Johns said which new Roney wife do you think has the most longevity as a housewife? And this gave me pause because I think it's a specific question that's different from who do you like the most or who do you think is, you know, the most exciting to watch on TV. longevity as a housewife is not necessarily equal to who has the biggest personality, who is the most dramatic, who's causing a scene the most. If you think of people that have stuck around, I mean, somebody, I think Kyle Richards is a great person to look at where obviously she's had her big moments of drama. You know, she's had major issues with her sister and with Lisa Vanderpump and with lots of people over the years.

But she also kind of has that air of stability and of like, kind of main character energy in a way that is not always the most exciting, but feels necessary. And on the Rony reboot, I think that the most obvious answer for me was Aaron, because I think that she sort of like gives real housewife the most

in a specific way, where she seems like, first of all, she really likes being on the show. She kind of understands the assignment, and it feels like she is sort of, self-producing a little bit in a way that is kind of she's helping to move the story along. Now, I don't necessarily think it always works.

I don't think she is always right. I don't think she's not necessarily like, my favorite on the show. But I could see her sticking around and I could see her kind of being fluid in a way that they need her to be to kind of make the ensemble work with whoever else is coming and going.

And the other person, And this, I think, this feels like more of a hot take. I just sat up in my chair because I'm like, I'm a little nervous to say this one. I think that Sai could stay on Housewives for a long time. And I'm hesitant to say that because I think that Cy was not the fan favorite coming out of season one. And if you heard in my episode about the season 15 premiere, I kind of complained about her for a while. But I also think that she is somebody who wants to. be a housewife. She is willing to kind of nitpick at people in a way that creates storyline.

And crucially for her in a career sense, I think that being on housewives serves the other stuff that she has going on that she wants to be doing. The fashion, the influencing, that kind of stuff. Having the platform of housewives, I think just sort of amplifies her personal brand. And I think that that's kind of the difference between maybe her and somebody like Brin or somebody like Uba, that of course they are more well known now than they were without the show. But when push comes to shove, Uba is a model. Uba is an entrepreneur. She has hot sauce. I think that Uba would book just as many modeling jobs perhaps more without housewives than she would with.

And I think that Brin, now that she has had this sort of launching point from Housewives, I could see her getting a little antsy and kind of wanting to do something else, something bigger, something shiny, or something that excites her more. And I think also I saw her at the Roney, like, it was not the premiere party. It was like the Roney Orchard, like interactive thing a couple weeks ago. It was cute. I talked to Brin briefly. And going into this season, it seemed like she was sort of anticipated.

being on the receiving end of a lot of people's frustrations. And I think that based on the premiere, I think she was correct about that, but that Brin is the kind of person who she's like, I want to have fun. Why is everyone mad at me? I just want to have fun. And I think that with Housewives,

obviously if you're the one who is kind of like the fan favorite, always having fun, people are going to put a target on you. And I think that if she is getting opportunities after another season or two, that would allow her to just kind of have fun and make money in a less like people yelling at you kind of way, I could see Brin going in that direction.

So, Aaron and Sye, I don't know. We'll see. And rounding things out, will we ever get Ultimate Girls trip Morocco? I need it so badly. Baby, I'm sorry, it's not coming. you'll never get it. We'll never get it. It is what it is.

It's been, what? A year and a half plus since they filmed it, it's not coming out. For better or for worse. We will not see that show. Mark my words. I mean, if we do, I will eat the crow. I will eat the pigeon.

But that's all for today. Thank you guys so much. I hope you've enjoyed our content over the last week or so. I will be back with fresh live episode. this Wednesday. So make sure you're subscribed. So we will get back into recapping. We will get back into talking about all the breaking news.

I'm sure I missed while I was on vacation. But until next time, thank you so much. And be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Mention It All Podcast is produced by Dylan Hafer and Bell Roman. Editing by Bell Roman. Social media by Dylan Hafer and Candice Maniga. Guest booking by Ali Friedlander.

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