Mention It All - Is This The End Of Brandi Glanville? Ft. Amanda Duberman (RHOP)

Episode Date: January 30, 2023

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Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer, and, ooh, it is a doozy of a Monday that we have here today. And I have, with me, Betches, senior director of news and activism. And, of course, you know, along with the show, your news, you got to have a side of Bravo addiction. So I'm so glad to have Amanda Doberman back with me today to break things down. I'm here. I'm here, Dylan. I am here. I was the only reason I'm not in the office with you today is because I do measure my office videos visits based on your schedule for mention at all and who is going to be in the office. That is true. And, you know,

lots of exciting things happening in the works on the schedule. So I don't blame you. I was furious. I missed Dr. Nicole Martin. Dr. Nicole. If you, if you, Guys, if you haven't listened to my episode with Dr. Pekol, we had a great time. We had a great time chatting. It was the, it was like 5 p.m. the day before the reunion. She had just flown into town and we really got into it. So go listen to that after you listen to this one if you haven't yet. But I mean, not to be outdone this morning, lots of Bravo news to talk about.

So I woke up this morning. My alarm goes off at 7. 30 a.m. This is the time I woke up. I turn off my alarm, pick up my phone, and immediately, the first thing that I see is that I have a text from my good friend, friend of the podcast, Dave Quinn, a link to his People article and the headline of the article. Let me just pull it up, pull it up so I can read so I can read verbatim. It is Brandy Glanville and Caroline Manzo exited Ultimate Girls Trip early after quote, unwanted kisses. It's really a mad libs for the ages.

This is a text that I received at 709 a.m. I woke up at 7.30. Yeah, like, I'm literally still in bed, eyes crusty. And I'm like, damn, if only I had woken up 20 minutes earlier. But I'm just going to read a little bit from this article. So we have a basis in journalism before we start discussing it because there is a lot to discuss. So as we know, Ultimate Girls Trip, Season 4 has been filming in Marracatch. They just finished up.

Alex McCord posted from her flight home. So according to insiders, Glenville took things too far with Manzo during a party, kissing her multiple times throughout the evening without her consent. Quote, it was unwanted, a source said. And Caroline's distress over the matter did not seem to stop Brandy. Things escalated and physical boundaries allegedly were crossed that Caroline felt were serious and uncomfortable. Following the incident, a decision was made by production to report what happened to higher-ups. Filming continued that night and into the next morning when Glanville, a second source notes, was made aware of Manzo's feelings and apologized via text message.

Still, a decision was made that afternoon, unbeknownst to Manzo to remove Glanville from the trip early. Quote, Brandy's behavior was inappropriate, a third source says, so she was asked to leave. And then it turns out Caroline decided later that day that she didn't want to stay. So she exited on her own. Dave's article for people says via a source that all of the other women in the cast were supportive of Caroline's decision to remove herself from the show. But I mean, damn. It just is, it sucks because a couple days ago, this story had broken on, you know, a few different blogs. it was all over social media that they had gotten into a fight with each other.

And that allegedly the story was that Brandy had brought up stuff about Dina Manzo. Caroline didn't like it. They got into an argument. Brandy got physical. And that's why she was set home. Which when I heard that, first of all, both versions of the story sound believable to me. Brandy is a loose fucking canon. In opposite way.

She was either making out with her or assaulting her. Right. And the thing is when I heard the first story, it was like, okay, obviously never okay to get physical with someone in that way. But if she's bringing up the drama about Dina, I would be interested to see that conversation. But then this version of events, which it's reported on by three sources in this article, it's like, well, there's no fun part of that. It just fucking sucks.

And it's like, do I believe it? I don't have a particular reason not to. Right. And I feel like this, you know, this we're obviously going to talk about, you know, in a vacuum, but this on top of knowing that Heather Gay was very likely assaulted, punched by another cast member or just the fact that that happened while she was, this is their job at work and we don't have a resolution of that. And then this, it's like, this is an unsafe workplace, Andy Cohen. What's going on? We need to get a. It's like Congress and Bravo. There's no HR. We've got to get OSHA in there to invest. Yeah, but like you said, it's just like a big, a big yikes for everybody. Yeah, and it's, it's frustrating because I think Brandy for a long time has kind of lived her life on this razor's edge of what is appropriate and what is acceptable.

And a part of the reason that we like her is that she is willing to go, go places and say things that other people won't. But then that's also the reason that she is. kind of a liability as a cast member and a reason that I think a lot of people haven't liked her for a long time. And we saw on her last season of girls trip that she was kind of a little volatile and, you know, causing issues with people. But there's a fine line and clearly making unwanted physical advances towards somebody repeatedly is far on the other side of the line of what is acceptable or entertaining or, you know, excusable in any way.

Yeah. She seems to entirely lack impulse control. Like, she's like, like, last season, she really reminded me of like a child. Like, you know when a kid does something truly like bad and not okay and you, you react to them and they look very confused, like, oh, and immediately a little ashamed. And she does that a lot. It's like, but she just, it never, she has no control over it. and she's not able to stop herself.

And so, like, in a way, it does seem like this was inevitable. Like, she has no boundaries. And if you think about her behavior before, like, people just sort of like, oh, yeah, Brandy, like, uh-huh. Like, I don't really want to make out with you. But obviously, this was a time where I wonder if it was she took it even farther or if Caroline was also finally the person that was like, this is not, this is not okay under any circumstances.

Right. And if you are in an environment, where it's people that you're friends with, people that know you really well, people that have kind of a vested interest in protecting you, that's one thing. When it's people on the Beverly Hills cast who have a relationship with her and they're saying, well, like, Brandy's kind of a mess, but, you know, we want to kind of circle around her and make sure she comes out of this okay. Whereas when you're in a group of six or seven women that you don't know super well,

might not know at all and might be really, really turned off by the same behavior that other people kind of find endearing or, you know, quirky or whatever. Somebody like Caroline Manzo, it doesn't shock me that she might be the one to finally be like, this bitch is crazy. Like this isn't, I'm not going to put up with this. And I certainly am not going to, you know, make any apologies for her and cover up anything. that I feel bad about that happened. So as much as it, you know, it's tough because they just finished filming this show.

I was really excited when they announced the cast. I still am, you know, really curious. This didn't happen until I think like the second to last night that they were there. But it's, it just kind of puts this darkness around the whole season, knowing that there's this essentially sexual assault scandal that's going to happen at the end. And it's like, okay, so do we watch the first five episodes of the season? Just putting that out of our minds as much as possible? Or is there some larger conversation around, does this season even air the way they intend it to?

Like, it is just kind of so frustrating that now we're in this place where, you know, I, first and foremost, I hope that Caroline is okay with what has happened and that everybody is kind of being. supported in that way, but then also it's like, I just, I'm, I have questions about kind of how we're going to handle this season. Yeah, I mean, as you were talking, like when you said it happened on the second to last night, I was like, great, we can have a normal show, but you're right, with the context of like this pretty serious thing. And it is, like, as you were talking, you know, it really is all about like the cast and it varies, you know, like literally we're going to talk about an episode of Potomac where they were all over each other. And it's, it is, like, literally, we're going to talk about an episode of Potomac where they were all over each other and it's it's a different dynamic potentially

but obviously like Caroline Manzo who hasn't been part of this franchise for a long time is old a little bit older than them in a foreign country and like I assume this woman just like did not listen to her and would not get off of her so yeah that is that is interesting to think about you know how are we going to watch it is it going to lose all entertainment value are we going to be entertained and then horrified at the end that we were you know allowed to kind of experience that I'm wondering, like, do you think Bravo, like, do you think that they should have known better to not to cast Brandy again? Because to me, like, I know she has her fans. I think she's disgusting. Like, I do not like her at all. And, like, there's nothing she wouldn't do in my view. And it's sort of like, of like, of course she was going to put herself, like, in this position. Yeah, I have mixed feelings. I mean, I totally understand that viewpoint of Brandi historically. I mean, right now I'm not in a position where I'm going to say anything nice about her. But, you know, you know, know, in general, I feel like, in general, I feel like she is somebody that I have appreciated. I've, I've met her, I've interviewed her, I've, you know, talked to her.

Like, I have, you know, she's somebody that I can kind of see both sides with in a way in certain situations. It's tough because she's done, she's been around the reality TV block so many times now. Obviously, she's done housewives. She's done girls' trips. She's done Celebrity Big Brother. She was just on the traitors. on Peacock earlier this month. I mean, she went home first, so she was only in like two episodes.

She's always going home. Yeah, I don't know if competition shows are ever really going to be her strong suit. Even all the non ones, it's like, you got to pack your bags. You didn't even qualify to the end of the ultimate girls trip. Look, I think she is somebody that it's almost like the forbidden fruit a little bit in the way that it's like there. is so much reality TV potential to be mined there. And when it's good, it's so good. And I get why that is hard to resist when you're casting a show like this.

And let's face it, when you're casting a girl's trip, if you want there to be drama and you want people from different franchises to really be getting into it, there is a relatively short list, I think, of housewives. that you could cast that really will be willing to go there and that you can rely on to want to go there. Because I think there are plenty of housewives who are shitsurers in their own franchises and who can be messy and might get a villain at it sometimes who would get cast on an ultimate girls trip and be like, this is perfect image rehab for me. I'm going to go spend a week in the tropics making friends and showing people how fun I am. That's kind of what Kenya did with the first season of girls trip. And I loved her for it.

That was great. But I think Brandy, from a casting standpoint, it's like, who do we have that we know 100% if we send on this trip is going to get in there and fuck it up? And unfortunately, she fucked it up in not the entertaining way. So you have to wonder, though, like with something like this where it sounds like the network, the production company. whoever had to get involved and make the call to send her home, this might be her last straw. You know, she might have used up the chances. Because the fact that she was on two seasons of girls trip,

also on the traders, you know, like she's kind of, you know, Little Miss Peacock. Like she's getting asked back and back and cast and sing. And when you have something like this where it's like a concrete example, and we have such a hard line with these policies now with reality, shows. There was a scandal with Survivor a couple years ago where there was a contestant that had gotten, there were multiple complaints had to be made about this person before they were removed from the competition. And in the wake of that, CBS really had to adjust their policies and make

them, you know, try to make amends for how this had been handled. And I think, you know, Peacock and NBCU and the production company are probably very aware of that and really want to avoid a similar situation. Yeah. I mean, it's like you said, she does provide a lot. She also, I found on her season provided a lot of, like, funny moments, like just waking up in her full on makeup. And, you know, I'm thinking about that below deck season that happened like during the, like was filmed during the racial justice protest. And that guy, that cast member put up that hideous meme. But he was somewhat inconsequential that they were able to basically build a season without him and you didn't notice. And obviously that's not going to be possible with Brandy and

Glenville. Imagine trying to edit Brandy out of the season of Ultimate Girls trip. It would be Like, they would just have to, like, blur her, blur her on the screen. And it's like, wait, like, who's, who's that ghost-like figure? Right. Where is that tangled weave coming from? There's just, like, this, like, pixelated blob that's, like, humping Camille's leg. Oh, God. Yeah.

But it is, yeah, like you, that cast was announced and it was such a thrill. And so, yeah, like you said, it's like, you're going to be watching that whole season just sort of like, oh, I'm enjoying this, but am I going to regret it and feel really great. gross when I see that it ended really, really badly. So good, so good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now

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page six reported on Sunday, this is the headline, quote, Bravo has lost interest in Rony Legacy as contract talks stall over money. So we, it's now been, I think, nine-ish months since the big announcement of the great two-state solution

to the Roney, problem. And, you know, the Rony reboot is deep into filming. They've been on two trips already. That is happening, happening for real. We know who the people are. But legacy has seemed to be a little bit more of a white whale. They've gone through a lot of, you know, kind of casting back and forth.

There was, I think, a Des Moire rumor post a couple weeks ago about contract talks being an issue and that people were asking for too much money. And if this reporting in page six is true, they said, we're told Bravo has, quote, hit pause on contract negotiations with sources close to the cast telling us the network is low-balling them, while production insiders huff that the talent think, quote, they should make what the cast of Friends made in their heyday. Which if you are on the younger side, you may not remember it was historic that the Friends cast was each making $1 million per episode by the end of that show's run. I, legacy is such a, such a, such a, a tricky thing for me to wrap my mind around because it seems like it should be so easy that it's like we know the general group maybe there's one or two people that are kind of on the bubble but overall it's like you know exactly who you need to get in the room it seems like it should be easy to just make a deal and film them for like six weeks but clearly

there is just so much noise happening around this casting process. And for a show that seems like such a no-brainer from a casting standpoint, it's like you kind of do have to wonder, are these women just delusional in what they think they're going to get paid? Yeah. I mean, maybe. Yeah.

Like, obviously, we want women to get what they deserve and for their value to be reflected in what they're asking for. Honestly, I'm not excited about that show. I think that if they don't really offer a tremendous amount to, a value to Bravo right now. Like, I don't really need to watch. Like, I'm not the only reason that I am pretty sure I'm going to watch it is because I live in the city.

Like, if I didn't, I might not. That's really the draw for me. So, like, I think Bravo was probably right when they think that they have the upper hand. I don't really know many people that are probably going to be devastated by the fact that it's going to be prolonged a little bit more. I do think they're delusional. That's what, as you were saying, it's like, when you pay people, you, you, you, you, you also pay people if you know,

you have to consider what they are giving up when they do work for you. And it's like if Sonia, whoever these people are have other work and they're saying, look, I can do this for more money so you need to match me. Then Bravo has a decision to make. But like I don't know, forgive me,

but like I don't really know if like there are projects, you know, knocking on their door everywhere. Like these like famously, they have had like had to change their lifestyles. I think that's a good point that it's, for some of these people, their financial situations, I'm sure, are all different and complicated. They're going to do better than I ever will, but like.

But when you think, okay, let's just say they're being offered currently $1 million to do a season. I don't know if this is at all in the ballpark. But if they're saying, no, but I want $2 million. And Bravo is saying you either take the $1 million or there's no show, it does seem like as the time ticks on the million dollars versus zero is going to start to sound like a more appealing offer. And I think you're right for the most part. These women, it's not that they have nothing going on, but they don't have somebody else knocking on their door with a million dollar check.

So it's like the supply and demand of the reality show contracts, it's a complicated thing, but it's like, okay, okay, like even if you got offers. to do something for someone else, it's not going to be Housewives. It's not going to be kind of that blue chip stock that you would be getting if you're being cast in a lead role on a Bravo Housewives show. Right. And I almost wonder if they know that maybe it's not going to be good. So they're like, let's just like get this money now because we don't even, this might be

the last one. You know, I'm sure there are some women in some franchises where they think that every year, where they're like, I have to get this now. whereas like, I don't know, they should be going into it. All right, this is a great chance for me to make a million dollars and show that we can still be really engaging and then command like a higher fee next time because of how many people are watching it. But yeah, like you said, it's surprising to me like that these women like are waiting out for better offers. And then that makes me think like they're just not that interested in doing it, which means it's not going to be good. Yeah, it's a it's a tough give and take because it's like I don't want to watch people half ass being on a housewives show.

just because they're people that I've watched for a long time and generally like. But at the same time, I don't want them to like bluff themselves out of a gig. And then because of some like fuckery with the contracts, we just never ever see Dorinda or, you know, Sonia and Luan have a spin off coming out. So we're going to see them again. But like I don't want some like contract kind of hiccups. to screw us out of something that could be good. But you're right that it's like, I don't want to watch the six of them on a show

just because it's the six of them. I want to watch a good show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I see where Bravo is coming from when they're like, okay, we've got some original franchises and the relaunch. I'm excited about that. Yeah, I'm also wondering, because I think that understandably fans have been really, really, really deeply skeptical of the reboot cast,

which I understand. It's something that we haven't done before. It's new. We don't know if it's going to be good. And when I talk about it, I'm very clear to be like, I have no idea if it's going to be good. But I'm excited to give it a chance. And I wonder maybe if Bravo is seeing footage from this new show,

hearing things from the new women. And if they are pleased with what they're seeing, that could be hurting the legacy women. men's case to get paid, you know, the Buku Bucks because they're like, they're not the shiniest newest thing just because, I mean, they're their legacy and people love them. But like, if Bravo thinks they have a hit on their hands with the reboot, all of a sudden legacy feels less important maybe than it did six months ago. Yeah, I'll take that.

I don't know. I mean, Andy, of course, is doing his, Andy's doing his classic thing of like, well, you know, I've seen the first couple episodes. And it's got to be good. You've never seen anything. You know, it's very like most dramatic season ever, Bachelor equivalent where it's like, Andy's going to say something about how the premiere is incredible or whatever. And like always, always a grain of salt there.

But it's like I'm not sold on the fact that the reboot's going to be bad. So I will be waiting. I don't know how to say this. It is ages. But it's like the New York has like the like they're so much older than like every other full cast with the exception of Karen who delivers, frankly. So, yeah, I'm excited for some fresh, for some fresh blood. And I do consider Karen's blood to be the freshest.

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Let's talk about Potomac. That's why we're really here. I mean, it's a Monday. We have a new episode to sink our teeth into. The ladies are back from Mexico. They're wrapping things up for the season, but not before we have some like last little tidbits of tidbits of drama.

It was, this is kind of a fun. episode. Fun with it. Yeah, I think there would be a tendency, there could be a tendency to call this like a filler episode. But sometimes when you have the right group of women and you have the right, you know, amalgamation of events going on, a filler episode can be just as entertaining, if not more than an episode where people are at each other's throats the whole time.

Yes, because I can't enjoy Robin Dixon hiccuping while waiting. and rubbing on strippers, if there's also a really serious fight happening about somebody's family. I need that in a bottle episode. Yes, it's, I think people sometimes lose sight of that you really have to have both. You have to have the highs and the lows. You have to have the comedy along with the drama. That's why we love Potomac. Yeah.

Spending some time at the strip club with the steak and lobster, Cherise just like reaching across the table to like fling a lobster tail on to her plate. Like, it's just beautiful. Ashley and Mia accidentally showing up in the same sheer mesh body suit. She's a garden snake. She's a garden snake. I'm anaconda.

Oh, God. Mia is one of those housewives where I feel like I've, I've talked about this throughout the season, but she is so ridiculous and so hard to pin down. in a way that is fascinating and sort of intoxicating, that it's like, I don't know what the hell is going on with her business. I don't know what the hell is going on with her and Jacqueline. Now I don't know what the hell is going on with her and Mia. Yeah.

Or with her and Wendy, sorry. Yeah. That it's like, okay, so her and Wendy fucking hated each other. And then they were in between. And now they've apparently been looking at each other's koochies in Mexico. So maybe there was touching, maybe there was looking. Mia all of a sudden is like, no, I need consent from Eddie. I'm like, okay, good for you set the boundary, I guess.

It is so, I have so many questions, but at the same time, like, I don't actually want the answers. Yeah, yeah, I agree. And I'm very eager for this reunion because, like, we're not really hearing Wendy's side of any of this. like how she's, she's, like, been reacted to it? It's bizarre. It's bizarre. But like you said, it's so, as, it's just sort of like, you're watching Housewives, you're bumming, you're watching, and you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Do these two just have, like, intimate relations in front of each other? What is how, how did we get there? How, how did it escalate there? But then you have, like, the story going through Ashley, who embellishes, and then Giselle who embellishes.

And I love how Giselle is like, yeah, I lied until Rob and y'all had sex. And, like, this, this episode is why, I don't really like Mia, but I liked her in this episode because when she is able to recognize how insane she is and in those moments and make space for it, then I'm like, great. Then we can all sort of acknowledge the role that you play. But it's when she gets too defensive and won't kind of like acknowledge it. But yeah, this thing between Mia and Wendy is fascinating. And I am very eager to see how it comes up like with their respective, with their respective husbands. Mm-hmm. I also, there's something about Giselle being messy and knowing that she's being messy and owning the fact that she's being messy,

but it doesn't feel like it's about something so serious that you're trying to ruin someone's life. Yeah, exactly. It's like, okay, so I got one little piece of information from Ashley, and I should definitely verify it before I tell anybody else, but trust and believe I'm going to tell somebody else. Yeah. And, you know, Mia doesn't seem angry about this. Like you said, we don't really get Wendy's side of the story. Wendy and Karen are really annexed off for this whole episode.

You know, Wendy's got to do her quick hits about Roe v. Wade, which is just like... The most jarring transition I've ever seen. You know, I'm glad to me, whether you're letting a cast member pat your pussy or... Yeah, Wendy's... Wendy's... Wendy's busy with her segment on TV. Karen's busy placing in order for four-wick candles. I like that it's special edition for the holidays,

but it appears that the only thing that's different is an extra wick. An extra wick. It's the same scent. Well, you know, that's the original nativity scene. There is just a four-wick candle, so you have to be loyal to that. They brought gifts of gold, frankincense, myr, and four-wick, ladom candles. Oh, God. So much happened in the episode.

So much happening. So how do you feel about Robin's wedding planning as somebody, Amanda, who has gotten married in the last six months? We're still in the last six. Yeah. How do you feel watching her go about this haphazard wedding planning process? It was very funny to watch her. She's just, she's such a trip.

Like watch her go to plan. And I don't think she should have known. better, but like, you can be like, oh, I'm having a small wedding. I'm having an elopement. And it's still going to cost you a lot of money for all of the reason she just said. But it is interesting to hear her, like, I feel like a lot of times Robin, Robin's laziness catches up with her and she's able to sort of like find her way out of it. But she's like, oh, shit, this is my wedding. What I loved about this episode too is that like in the thumbnail for Potomac season one, episode one, is Robin in a wedding dress. So it's really such a full circle moment to have her again, just lounging back.

back in frankly bad lighting. She looks the same. She looks great. Just sort of like talking about how bizarre her relationship history is. But I mean, they broke a couple days ago that it is going to be shown in the finale. So honestly, it probably helped her that production got involved. So maybe a producer. Like, thank God.

Maybe she wouldn't have made it anyway for a producer to be like, all right, we want to film this. So like, let's make sure we have a location and like, do you have a flower? Do you have a ring? Do you have a license? Yeah. Our friend Gibson John's tweeted last night he was like, say what you will about Robin, but it is truly so on brand that after seven seasons

of talking about her relationship with Juan, getting engaged, going through this whole back and forth about a wedding that now it's coming down to the last two episodes of the season. And it's like, I guess I should throw something together. The whole series. The entire series. Since 2016, Real House Stories of Potomac has been, and leading up to probably the last five minutes of next week's finale where we get to see

get married. And she's like, my mom doesn't know yet. Yeah, we see her telling her mom in the preview for the finale. And like, of course her mom is like, uh, I should be there, which, yeah. Like, I, um. Sometimes I'm like, what does Juan like about her? Like, not even in a mean way. Just truly, I'm curious.

Right. He's stuck around for a really long time. really, really hard to have this type of relationship back. And then he's always like, you want to get out of bed before 1130 and do something with our sons? The last season period of Robin not being able to get out of bed, watching somebody just in like abject depression like that is, it's tough. It's interesting because Robin and then like you'll just see her be a person who has

encountered this. Like last season she did, she was like, oh, like maybe I'm depressed. And then this season, as she's talking, she's like, I'm starting to feel, like, stressed. It's like, yes, Robin Dixon, this is somehow you have evaded the experience of stress for your, however many years. And you know what? She's pretty. So people, I guess things have just like always, always gone well for it. But yeah, that's such a funny point.

Like literally seven seasons have led up to this moment. And she's like, oh, a license. Oh, a dress. Also, she's literally been married before to the same person. Like, she's so lucky they even gave her that bachelor party. If I was going to remarry my same husband, people would be like, you're fine. Like, we'll send you, we'll get you a bottle of champagne. We're not doing all of this again.

I did love Cherise acting somehow indignant about Mia deciding to plan the bachelor's party. And I'm like, Cherries, please. Absolutely. On what planet were you going to call up the producers and be like, okay, so I've got a plan? You are more than happy to show up with your little stack of money and eat a lobster. and just go along with the plan.

I like Cherise, but it's like, don't act like you wanted to have a central role in this. Well, you know what? Now that you mention it, I can see why she wanted it because I think it was Mia's planning of this that like put a sheen on her to me. Like, I do really appreciate her ability to like add the perspective that like you can be a sex worker. Sex workers include dancers and lots of other people. And like, I love how they were like, yeah, there's steak and lobster here.

And she was just very frank. She's like, it's not the classiest. Like these girls make a living. And I don't know if Bravo meant to do that. that whole strip club scene too was like, I don't know, Dylan, I found it kind of beautiful. It was just like a really homo-social environment without judgment with these beautiful women celebrating each other. I don't know.

It was just like a cool thing to see on TV and they didn't fight too much. I actually did think about the fact that I, them going to a gentleman's club where it was women dancers and just genuinely having a good time and hanging out and throwing some money around. You know, Ramona would have been like, oh, disgusting, you know? Right. And that never crossed my mind. I had no anxiety in my body that somebody was going to say anything weird about the strippers. And that was what was fun about it.

Right. And the difference between that and like we're in the hotel suite and there's like a male stripper coming to like, you know. Oh, I hate that. Like wearing like chaps and a police officer costume. It's like this felt like so much more of a like good time energy just girls having fun. fun. Everybody was having a good time. Even, you know, Ashley talking about, talking candidly about her situation with Michael, saying that she and Michael have been getting in a good groove with each other and that they're not getting back together, but she feels, she hasn't been dating

other people because he said he wasn't dating other people. And she felt like it was more respectful to then also not date other people. And then Cherise, or no, Candice. Candice says, that Chris saw Michael at his restaurant that he works at with another girl just the other day. And it says, it speaks volumes about how far Ashley and Candice have come that Ashley took this information. She believed this information. And she was like, well, shit. What is that, you know, fuck Michael. And there wasn't even one ounce of like.

That felt revolutionary. There wasn't even one ounce of. of like Candace is a bitch for saying this stuff about my man. And truly, that is the power of divorcing Michael Darby. I know. Well, it does. I mean, they had that conversation in Mexico that was very adult where Candice. And honestly, Candice has been keeping behaving this season.

Like she, I feel like she really was like, I'm not going to lash out this season. And she's having a good season where they were like, where Candice very respectfully, there would have been a rude way to say this was like, I think you're in terms. what my husband does, which was just inviting being like come to my club a certain way because of things that have happened in your marriage. And Ashley said, that's, that's probably accurate. Also, I might be holding on to some pain from this that happened. And then they were like, okay, let's try to let that go. And then to see that, like, maybe that was actually successful. Again, I also was like, oh, shit, is Ashley, is this going to come up again? But like, yes, just a normal like exchange. I'm curious if Ashley is going to be like, were you going to tell me if I didn't bring it up?

But like, I don't, I don't know. I can get why Candice was just sort of like might think that that might rub Ashley the wrong way. And then, of course, I mean, Candice's confessionals are iconic when she was like, if I could leave Gallum, I'd be getting on the first train. I mean. It does feel like with the, with the rumors that went around about Chris earlier in the season, it does feel like in the past maybe Candice would have gone more scorched earth in response. to that where it would have been like, fuck everyone from now until the end of time.

And you're going to get the absolute worst I have to offer at all times. And I mean, she clearly had her moments where she was really upset with people. But the fact that just a handful of episodes later, they're able to kind of have this back and forth, that conversation in Mexico was great. And the fact that they are genuinely having fun with each other and enjoying each other's company and able to talk about real information like this, like Candace didn't bring this up in a malicious way. She brought it up that it's like, you're being really real right now and saying that you're basically putting your personal life on pause while you figure stuff out

with Michael. And I want to let you know more as a friend, he's not actually doing what he says he's doing. And it felt like Candace being a good friend rather than being like a shit stirring. Exactly. Yeah. She didn't just bring it up. She brought it up in a point where it was like completely relevant and Ashley needed to know and like clearly wasn't upset that it was brought up in front of everyone because they're getting divorced. I loved out. Everyone was like, yeah, because you're getting a divorce. Right. Right. And Ashley, I mean, Ashley was saying, no, we're not getting back together. I'm just like, you know, taking time. And it's like, no, go do you. Please. Yes. Take half his money. You did it. You're done. You're free. Oh my God. But I genuinely, like, I do believe that she genuinely like loves him.

She's like, oh, like, I miss having sex. I'm like, I don't believe that's a show, but I'm just like, I don't know. Like, maybe it's just, everybody has got kinks. She's just got a Michael Darby kink. Different, everybody has different flavors for different strokes. Very different. Different strokes for different folks. But you know how some things taste like poison so you don't eat them?

I don't know. And apparently for Karen, lots of strokes with lots of folks, if you believe what Cherie says to say. I'm struggling with that. It's tough because I, the thing, the thing about all of the Karen rumors is that it's like, Do I believe that at some point there has been some situation that wasn't strictly just her being monogamous with Ray? I don't, sure. Like, I don't know one way or the other, but I don't have any.

I don't have any strong reason not to believe that something has ever happened. But the way that Cherise and some of the other women will so casually throw around things like, you know, she fucking. fucks everyone. She it's known in Potomac that she does XYZ, that and the other thing. She was at the strip club and she fucked one of the workers in the bathroom. Like she'll suck any dick in Potomac. I don't believe

that is true. Exactly. And I think there's a wide gulf between those two realities that it's like at one point maybe she's had something going on outside of her and Ray and she's

the biggest slut in the And so it does feel kind of like when Cherise is the one that's bringing it up over and over again, it's like, I believe that there's a nugget of truth in some part of this conversation. But Cherise spreading around rumor after rumor after rumor after rumor, it's like that is not what's going to convince me or really feel like there's any kind of point to talking about it. And it's not the best way to sort of like get the truth. I mean, my biggest pet peeve and a housewife is when they could be starting to go after somebody for a legitimate reason, a truthful reason. And then they, because they get so furious by the denial that they double down and then they embellish.

And then I lose you because then it's like, this is not going to help. And then it's acceptable for Karen to shut down. I mean, she wasn't there to like, you know, to hear that. Like when like, I don't like Larsa, but when Larsa will always just take it to like the most extreme, it's like because like that's not you, you have to, you have to like play fair. You have to like, come on. So yeah, you're right, you're right. And Karen refusing to, and my instinct is always to be like it's none of our business, but she's on a reality show.

So it's like, and then what Mia said, she was like, you know, people have age gaps in their marriage. And sometimes this like happens. And it's just obviously something that Karen and Ray are never going to admit to being a dynamic in their relationship. And for some reason, yeah, I don't think it's for some reason that causes Cherise to make up a story about how like Karen, this, a 60-year-old woman from wherever she lives is the biggest slut on the in the mid-Atlantic, which I'm not buying.

Yeah, not to go back to like the outer darkness of Beverly Hills last season, but it reminds me a little bit of the situation between Diana and Sutton where it felt like there was a point where Diana transitioned from having any legitimate issue with something Sutton had said or a specific interaction that they had had to just being like, this bitch is evil. She's the worst person in the world. Can you even believe the way she's, you know, existing in this group? And it's like, you don't have enough cachet with the audience to be, you know, like taking out on credit, like all of these things that you're saying about that person. Like, Charisse is not in a position where the audience is like eating out of her hand so much that we're just going to be like, oh, yeah, that thing, that thing.

the next thing, the next thing, say more about Karen. It's like, yeah, like I'm interested in getting- Where's like what Lisa Barlow says, fuck half of New York, I'm intrigued. Right, like, I'm interested to get to the bottom of Charisse and Karen's issues, and I hope that that is, I hope that there's a productive conversation

about that at the reunion, but like, I'm not just down for anything that Cherise is throwing out there because I think Cherise is entertaining in certain moments, but I'm not like, team Cherise. Right. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Because it's not like there's no mystery. There's no like tension when you're just throwing out extremes that are absolutely not the case. Yeah. I guess the,

the technical term for that might be overplaying your hand a little bit. Definitely. Yeah. After I talked about it for five minutes. It's just, it's that simple. At least you remembered well on the podcast and not right after it was published. Not me like six hours later being. Yeah. Like, oh, that was it. Jorge, can we add this? Something smart to say. Oh my God. Well, I mean, something smart to say. Amanda, you always bring something smart to say.

And I appreciate you for it. Tell everyone before we go where they can find you and listen to you. Great timing, actually, because I am on this up podcast, which historically has been four days a week. But we really major announcement that we are switching to a two day a week schedule as of this week. we're just sort of changing, you know, the hosts are all going to come on here and there, but me, Millie, and Elise are going to be the main host. And, you know, we're going to two times a week because four times a week hearing about the news is just too much.

We want it to be a little bit easier of you. And we're also going to expand and do a little bit more pop culture, a little bit more feminism. So if you've thought about checking out this up, but you're like, I don't know if I want to do it every day, check it out now because we're going to have a little bit less overwhelming amount of content. And if you're a listener and you're going to miss us, then stay tuned. Maybe we'll make some more content. It'll just be a little harder to find.

As somebody who does the three times a week grind, I know, finally. There are some weeks where it's like there's so much to talk about. Sometimes. Sometimes. But it's still exhaust. It's hard because we also run a count. So it's just hard to get anything done. But I'll still be yapping.

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