Mention It All - It’s Getting Icky (Summer House & RHOA)

Episode Date: April 25, 2025

In today’s episode, Dylan catches up on the last two weeks of Summer House and RHOA. On Summer House, Carl’s dry spell is finally over, but do we really need to hear about it? While Tom Schwartz gives relationship advice to Kyle (cursed), Lexi and Jesse’s high school honeymoon phase is officially over, if it ever really began. In Atlanta, Drew gets a backdoor invite to Porsha’s birthday trip, while Brit is using her misfortune to enforce her friendship demands on the group. Dylan also breaks down Disney’s big reality push, and whether we’ll ever have a true competitor to the Bravo universe. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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See Store Online for details. Betches Media presents. Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All, a Bravo by Betcha's podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With me, Dylan Hafer. We're going to check me, though. Hey, everyone.

Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I am so excited to be back because I am fully caught up. I feel like we have a lot to talk about today. We're going to get into Atlanta a little bit because I've not talked about that in a couple weeks. We've got Summer House also getting caught up. Lots of catching up going on. But it's fun to have stuff to watch.

And I feel like this week I have really been barreling through a lot of episodes that I missed while I was out. I'm going to talk about some interesting stuff going on in the larger reality TV space. But first, I want to just give a little bit of a plug that next week, I talked about this on the episode a couple days ago. But we are going to be going to our new schedule. We are going to have video episodes on the Always On YouTube channel every Tuesday. The first one coming out on Tuesday next week with, Kristen Doty and Nia Sanchez-Bucco, a really fun conversation about the Valley. And then we are going to be hitting you every Friday with another episode that's going to be everything that happened

that week, recapping shows, talking about news, all that good stuff. And that's going to be wherever you already listen to mention it all. So excited to dive into that next week. But for today, we've got lots to talk about. Also, I don't know if anybody else has heard the new Lord song that came out yesterday, but I have it very stuck in my head. So I'm going to try and refrain from just going, what was that at random times throughout the episode? But I will do my best. First, I want to talk about this article that was in Deadline this week that I thought was really interesting about everything that Disney and Hulu are doing with reality TV. And the headline of this article was, can they rival the Bravoverse? And I think this idea of reality TV universes that different companies are trying to

sort of create is a really, it's a really interesting question because the thing with Bravo is that it has been a 15, 20 year journey now of really like building this city brick by brick. You know, Housewives when it started in 2006 was not something that was automatically going to be happening 20 years later with, you know, fan conventions and podcasts and merch and, you know, spinoffs and all of that. And then when you add in like every show that's in the Bravo universe, if you want to call it that, it's such a gradual, you know, increase where you have, you know, there was Beverly Hills and then Vanderpump Rules. And then Summerhouse was sort of a Vanderpump Rul's spinoff in a, you know, weird backwards kind of way. And then you have Winterhouse. Then

Winterhouse collides with Southern Charm. And then there's Southern hospitality. Like, it's not a straightforward, it's not a straightforward thing to create this type of larger TV umbrella. So this article that was in Deadline was basically talking about Hulu had this really big reality TV event earlier this week where they were showcasing all their talent. You know, this is, you know, Emmy campaign season. All these companies are putting all these resources into getting their shows out there, really showing off all of their products. And so they had lots of people from lots of different shows at this event and they're talking about Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, which is coming back soon. They've got people from Bachelor Nation. They're announcing, you know, a new golden bachelors coming out,

dancing with the stars. The Irwin boy with the underwear, he's going on dancing with the stars, which I guess is exciting. You know, why isn't Sheena getting that call? That's the question. The Kardashians are there. There's new shows. Brooks Nader, who was on Dancing with the Stars last season and then was like fucking around with Gleb for six months. She's getting her own show. Sure. I mean, at this point, who's not? And they're also, they're working with Alex Cooper from Call Her Daddy. She's like creating reality shows for for Hulu at this point. The thing though that thinking about this whole kind of like reality TV universe empire kind of thing, it's like all of those shows are like individually interesting to some group of people. I love secret lives and Mormon wives.

Some people love The Bachelor. Some people love Dancing with the Stars. Maybe you watch all of it personally. I don't have time for that. But I feel like there's what's missing is that like sort of natural connective piece where everything just feels like it exists in the same world. And that's something that if you try to force it, I don't think it will really work. Like, you sort of have to plant the seeds and then let them grow over the years and let people really form those bonds and those attachments with their favorite shows, with their favorite characters, with their favorite hosts, if it's a hosted show. I think that something like, you know, something like a winter house, even, you know, was that the best show ever? No, it was three seasons. It was fun while it lasted.

But something like that only works because you have these different shows that people have formed their own bonds with. And so I, you know, Netflix is also doing a lot of work to create their kind of reality TV space with love is blind and love on the spectrum and too hot to handle. And people love those shows. I mean, I don't watch, I don't watch a lot of the Netflix reality TV. But like, I think that it just feels a little bit like it's a little bit of an imitation. some of the individual shows are really good, but I think there's never going to be like a Netflix BravoCon, is there? What would that be? What would that? We're going to watch, I don't know. Joey Saso from the circle and he's going to be the Andy Cohen of Netflix. I don't think it's going to happen. But I don't know.

I'm excited to watch Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. That's number one on the docket for me. It's coming back very soon. These ladies, they're starting to do press. We're starting to see them around. And they're putting out little promos and things. And I'm like, oh, I miss these girlies. I miss these mamas. I want to go to like a swig. I want to get a soda with some creamer in it. It's that time of year.

But I don't know. I'm interested. If there are other shows that you feel like are spiritually aligned, that you think I should be watching, that you think I should be talking about, let me know. But like, I don't know. I don't, I don't. I'm happy. I'm happy where I am.

But let me know if there's something I'm missing. I have been hearing really great things about love on the spectrum. That one I might have to check out because I know people love it. I know I'm going to cry. I know I'm going to cry before I even watch it. But let's talk about something that has not been making me cry. And that is Summer House. Summerhouse these last couple weeks, I feel like we are at the point of the summer house season

where it's like, okay, we kind of know everything. it's happening. We know that Paige is not feeling great about where she's at in her relationship with Craig. We know that Jesse and Lexi are in this really, like, toxic purgatory space between being head over heels in love with each other and also probably not knowing each other's middle names. That's a tough place to be in. It's getting worse every week. We know that Kyle still stays up too late. We know that Lindsay is super happy having a baby. We know that Carl is, um, trying to get himself back out there. And it's making me uncomfortable. Can I say that? I feel bad, but it's making me uncomfortable. It was one thing when he was like, yeah, I haven't had sex since

September. I'm like, okay. Like, yeah, it's good to talk about your feelings, your, you know, lack of whatever. But suddenly when he is being sexual, why is it making me uncomfortable? people. When he's every time, maybe this is a me problem, but when anybody brings up Sierra and he's like, well, yeah, I mean, obviously Sierra is gorgeous. I'm like, don't say that. Ew. It's like a gort, I mean, it's objectively a nice thing to say. Sierra is gorgeous. But I'm like, it's giving me the ick. And I, I mean, like, Carl has given me the ick before for like various reasons. But suddenly I'm just kind of like, it's not it's not doing it for me finding out that he when he went to montauk a couple weeks ago and then it's like we did have sex i'm like ugh don't i don't want to hear that i don't want to see that

like i don't i don't know what it is something has changed within me something is not the same and it is that i i don't want to hear about carl's sex life and i definitely don't want to hear about the fact that he's looking up his his porn search is tan lines what is Tan lines? Is this, like, I don't want to judge, I don't want to yuck someone's yum. But, like, is that, like, what is that? He's like, it's an aesthetic that I really am drawn to. Tan lines.

I don't know. I mean, like, not to put too fine a point on it, but it's just like, what is it? What is it? What do you like? That's not like a, okay, somebody has tan lines. What are they doing in the video? Actually, I don't want to know. That's the thing I don't want to know.

I don't want to know anything. I want Carl to be, I want him to be great. I want him to feel great about himself. I want softbar to thrive when it finally opens. I want him to, you know, protect his peace when it comes to things with Lindsay. I don't want to hear about tanline porn. leave me out of it. And maybe this is hypocritical.

Because if somebody else on the show, let's say Gabby, I don't know a fucking thing about what's going on with her. And I like Gabby. I like Gabby. But like she has given us not a lot this season. And even when she came on the podcast, she was talking about how she doesn't feel as comfortable talking about her feelings.

She doesn't feel as comfortable living her personal life on camera. I mean, neither do I. I'm not on Summerhouse. But if Carl was doing that, I would be like, you're all good, King. Keep it over there. Keep it in the box. I don't need to know. What's in the box?

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Just putting yourself in the shoes Of everyone else in the house Who now has spent a month and a half watching the the cursed roller coaster of this relationship, if you can even call it that. The way that Jesse and Lexi deal with each other,

I truly feel like I'm watching 16-year-olds navigate their first, like, quote-unquote, real relationship. The way that they are talking about, oh, are we boyfriend, girlfriend, are we exclusive? Oh, is he saying this? Are you, you're talking to your friends. Well, they're talking to, I heard something. And now I feel like, oh, you just, but you don't want, but I heard that.

But it's like, how old are we? Jesse's like 31. Lexi is 26, I think. Like, I mean, I don't, everybody can go about relationships the way that works for them. But it's like, this isn't working for either of them. And I love Amanda and Paige really this episode are the ones who are sort of leading this, you know, planting this seed, leading this idea that it's like, so yeah, you guys have known each other for six weeks. This is a crazy amount of up and down, of strife, of stress,

of questions, of arguments, of what are we, what does this mean? How serious are you? Are we taking this to the next level? Like, oh my God, have fun. Go have a drink. Hang out with your friends. I'm almost glad. Like I don't want to see anybody get their feelings hurt, whatever. But I'm glad that they are getting to the point now where it's obvious that this isn't like a perfect relationship that's going to be perfect forever. Because it would be annoying if the whole season happened and they were like lovey-dovey the whole time. And then afterward it was like, yeah, we got back to the city and the magic was gone. So we're just kind of went our separate ways.

It's like, I'm glad I guess that we're seeing it on the show. But yeah, the conversation that they're having on this most recent episode at the like bedtime party, slumber party, whatever. It's a cute theme. It's a cute theme. But when they're on this bed in the backyard, it's just like the fact that they're having this argument on this like king size outdoor bed that everybody has a clear view of just chef's kiss in terms of like staging. whoever was like, hey, Lexi, Jesse's on the bed. Do you want to go talk to him there? That producer, give him a bonus, employee of the month. Because watching everybody be like, oh, Jesse's getting his shit cooked over there. Oh, it looks like they're fighting. Oh, they're going separate directions.

This is what it's all about. But I think it's interesting what Lexi brings up. Basically, they are on completely different pages. Their viewpoint of what is happening between them is very skewed because Jesse feels like all I've done is get my toe sucked one time as a joke. It was a joke. And suddenly I can't do anything right. First, I'm following girls and that's a problem. Now I'm unfollowing girls. And now I'm talking to Sierra.

Now I'm not talking to Sierra. And why is everyone mad at me? Whereas Lexi in her mind is like literally all I've done all summer is just like keep pursuing this and keep saying that I like you and keep hanging out with you, I've done nothing to give you any sort of red flag, any sort of question mark, any sort of lack of commitment. Like, I've just been on a steady upward trajectory of relationship this whole summer. And Jesse's done like five things to make me question that. And like, I think that the real kind of truth is somewhere in the middle, which is just

that they're probably not meant to be in a relationship together. But I do think that, like, Lexi has more of a point than Jesse does. And that everybody in the house can kind of see that Jesse is, like, not truly somebody who's, like, ready to be in a serious relationship right now. And, you know, they have the exclusive talk. I guess they're getting off the ride before they fully get to boyfriend, girlfriendville, which, like, probably for the best. But, yeah, I mean, the thing that he says over and over again, where he's like, I'm changing so much about my behavior and so much about myself to try and make this work with you. Yeah, I think that is such a red flag.

Not a red flag in the sense that Jesse is like a bad guy who we should hate, but just a red flag in the sense that like this relationship is probably not like doesn't have legs. because if you feel like six weeks in, there are so many things about yourself that you're going to have to change to get somebody to want to be in a relationship with you. Yeah, that's not a good sign. Six weeks is not a very long time. So they're out here on the weekends. And it's interesting to me that Lexi has this thing where she's like, whenever I'm not here, you act like you're not in a relationship. But then when we go back to the city, we're hanging out all week, we're sleeping over, yada, yada, yada. In my mind, I'm like, I think Lexi's only been not at the summer house for one of the weekends.

So she's acting like every time they go to the house, he's acting single. I am kind of like, I think that was one time. Right? I mean, Jesse is a naturally flirty person. He's naturally, you know, he's a friendly guy. but I do think like Jesse is probably more wrong than Lexi but at the same time I'm like oh my god,

either of you should be in this relationship. Lexi should be having the time of her life. She should be making friends. She should be getting espresso martinis with her sister and her mom. Where do they? I didn't catch where they went when they were like, it's the best espresso martini in New York.

Like, okay, whatever. An espresso, like, I love an espresso martini. I do feel like at this point in 2025, it's like, it's not a personality. This is, do you remember on below deck, like years ago when it was like, oh my God, six guests, one in espresso martini? How are we going to make all of these? This is going to be the most stressful thing that's ever happened. And we were kind of like, oh, espresso martini.

What is that? That sounds fun. We've come a long way. We don't need to make it a thing anymore. I did like seeing Tom Schwartz, though, on Summer House. And it's so funny. I feel like we've had such an up and down relationship with Tom Schwartz as Bravo viewers these last 10 plus years. But it's so wild.

If you had told me in 2025, we would see Tom Schwartz back-to-back weeks on two different shows, neither of which are Vanderpump rules. I'd be like, wait, what? What do you, which shows? What do you mean? But no, he was on the Valley last week. He's on Summer House this week. And both times, I feel like he is like a welcome breath of fresh air, which is just a crazy thing for me to be saying. Tom Schwartz being a breath of fresh air, like, no, I feel like he has like stinky coffee breath.

But he's coming into the summer house. He's talking to Kyle about where he's at with his relationship and having kids and being married and all of this. And I haven't thought about this much, but there really are some striking similarities between Kyle and Amanda's marriage and Katie and Tom's marriage. And I don't mean that to say that I think they will end the same way because I don't want to be a hater. And I don't, I think it's annoying when people are like, TikTok Amanda, when are you leaving Kyle? I think that's, I think that's like shitty. I just think that in the ways that they are, that Kyle and Amanda are different, in the, the ways that they sort of handle things, I see some similarities. Kyle staying out till 4 a.m. and then crawling in the bed and Amanda being like, oh, get away from me.

It's very Katie Maloney coded. It's very Katie Maloney coded. And also, I mean, they're getting to the point where they, everybody's on their own timeline. Amanda, I don't want her to like feel pressure to have a kid. But like they're getting to a point in their relationship where it's a natural thing of like, okay, like what are we doing? What's the plan here? We've been married for a few years. You know, Kyle's in his 40s.

You're 45. I can't get that out of my head, the Brittany 45 thing. But yeah, I just, I feel like there are ways in which they are clearly not on the same page that the, the further along it goes, the more you either have to really look at that and see. say, is this going to work long, long, long term? Or are we just kind of sweeping under the rug and we're just going to ride it out because this is where we already are? I don't know. I don't know. But Tom Schwartz, I like the guy. I just, I do. He also launched his podcast this week. It's like detox, retox, I think. The first guest, Katie Maloney. And you know what that is? Growth.

Katie and Tom, I feel like are like a fun vibe now. They're way better not together than they ever were as a couple. And I love that for them. Where are we going to see Katie Maloney again? That's the question. Tom Schwartz is popping up left, right, and center. Katie Maloney, no sign of her, not on Bravo. I feel like she doesn't want to be on the Valley.

You know, Sheena's like, yes, I can be ready for the phone call at 10 p.m. I can be ready whenever. Yeah, I'll be on speaker. No, you don't have to. show my face. Yeah, I will confirm the rumor. Katie Maloney is like, no, miss me with that. I'm good. I don't need to roll through Britney's house for a one-on-one on a show that I don't have a contract for. Maybe that'll change. I don't know what Katie Maloney's doing right now, but I miss her. I miss my queen. I don't know. That's what's going on with Summerhouse,

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I complained in the first few episodes of this season how little of Kenya they were giving us. There were no confessionals. There were no solo scenes. We weren't really getting her side of the story at all. And it felt like something was missing there because I was seeing her but not hearing her. She was a voiceless diva. But now that she is gone, I actually think that it was smart of them to trim down her contribution early in the season because the gap between what we had before and what we have now actually does not feel

that big. And I think that first episode after the incident, let's say, a lot of it was about Kenya. It was probably the most we've talked about Kenya all season because it was this, you know, big elephant in the room of what happened. And, you know, Brittany is really struggling with that. everybody's kind of reeling, trying to figure out what's happening. They just lost somebody from the show. That's notable. And I think at Kelly's Peace Brunch or whatever where they're sitting in the backyard and she's like, she's like, I'm not bringing you guys to the restaurant, but I'll bring waffles from the restaurant.

It's like, girl, what's going on at the restaurant? Why can't we go? I want to go to the restaurant. Show me the restaurant. But no, they're sitting at this table in the middle of the backyard. The ambiance is not really hitting. I got to say. But I think it's normal. Brittany is really offended that the other women in the cast have spoken to Kenya, have talked to Kenya, have checked in with her since the event at the salon.

I think this is normal. You know, somebody like Portia, somebody like Drew, they've known Kenya for years. They met Britt, Jesse and Lexi time six weeks ago. They've just been hanging out at the house. But Britt is like, how dare you? That's so offensive. She did this to me. I'm here. How are you going to talk to her? And I think that Britt, I understand why she doesn't want to hear sort of about how Kenya is doing. But I also think it's not anybody else's fault if they're kind of trying to navigate this really sticky situation, however they think is fit. But we see Angela starting to. get into it with Brittany. Angela is kind of she's stepping up to the plate. The first couple of episodes of the season, I felt like Angela was kind of, she was taking it slow. She was taking her time, kind of, kind of, getting in there. And now she really is kind of main character energy. And I don't know how I feel about it, but I am, I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued. She really gets into it with Brittany.

And then in this past week's episode, her, I feel like she drew the short straw. Like, she drew like the messy straw, where she had to be the one to invite Drew on the group trip for Portia's birthday after Porsche did not invite Drew. But Angela was like, can I have a plus one? And immediately she goes and she's saying, so Drew, I would like you to be my plus one. And Drew, Drew, I mean, Drew clocks the mess. She's like, I'm not going on that trip unless Portia says I can. And then on the trip. Angela waiting to bring this up on the trip when she's like, I'd really like Drew to come. That's a messy queen.

That's a messy queen. And I, look, I don't know how it's going to turn out for her, but I appreciate that she is taking the initiative. She's stepping up. She's really, it's like she has received an assignment and she is going to complete it. She's going to turn it in on time. I don't know. I mean, it's always tough when there's a cast trip and somebody is like not invited by the,

quote unquote, host of the trip. Because from a show perspective, it's like, I want. want everybody to be there. I want Drew and Portia to talk it out or argue or not talk or whatever they need to do. But also then it's like now Angela is like really positioning herself in a particular way. And Drew is a tough person to be aligned with. Drew, oh my God, she's still with the music, still with the Dennis. She says that the royalties from her songs are going to, that Dennis is on are going to pay for Portia's daughter's college. The delusion is just epic.

Epic amounts of delusion. She has a record deal. Good for her, whatever. The situation with Ralph, though, it seems bad. So to recap, Ralph is still living in the basement. And every other week, Drew keeps saying every first, third, and fifth weekend. I'm like, just say every other week. Like, sometimes I'll get a calendar invite, and it's like,

We're meeting the second and fourth Tuesday of the month. I'm like, just say every other week. I don't know. First, third, fifth, is that a, maybe that's like a court term? I don't know. We're breaking, we're parsing a lot of divorce situations these days. I'm like, Jesse and Michelle, Drew and Ralph, Kelly and what's his name? He's out of jail.

The kids don't know. It's a lot. It's a lot going on. But so every, every first, third, and fifth weekend, Ralph comes upstairs and Drew has to vacate the premises so Ralph can hang out at the house that Drew lives in for two days with the kids. And this just seems, look, I don't know what is happening with the court system. This seems like the worst situation anybody has ever come up with. Because Drew's like eating breakfast with her sister.

Cars are, they already started the car. It's in the driveway. And Ralph comes upstairs and he's like, man, it's about time for you to get out of here. It's like, what? it's so weird. She's like in the car. He's yelling at her. It's so, I mean,

and then they go to their mediation or whatever. And Drew really doesn't want the divorce thing, the filing to be unsealed. She says because there's stuff that would be bad about Ralph that she doesn't want the kids to see. It's just funny though, because Ralph is like, we won. They unsealed it.

I get to stay in the basement. The fact that this man is like happy, just chilling in the basement. except for every first third and fifth weekend. Like, go get an apartment. This is embarrassing. I get you don't want to pay child support. I get you, you think Drew doesn't pay any of the bills,

the exterminator is coming. Why do you need $100 for the exterminator? Get an apartment, like an adult man or a house. Drew makes a lot of messes. But this Ralph situation, I really do feel for her, because it's just like it's really unfortunate. And then the other thing, I meant to bring this up when I was talking about Brittany and Angela. Brittany says the quiet part out loud, which I think we've talked about a little bit on the podcast.

But I've been a little hesitant to say because I don't like to air out people's drama that's not being aired out already. And Brittany brings up the rumor that's in the streets that Charles had a baby on Angela. And we've all been seeing it. We've all been talking about it. If you haven't, I'm sorry. I didn't want to. I didn't want to talk out of turn, but now that Brittany has said it, I feel that I can say it. But when Angela's like talking about the timeline of their relationship and she's like, yeah,

after this thing that happened at Madison Square Garden, we took some time apart because it was a lot and I didn't like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Allegedly, that's when he had a baby with somebody else. And going back to the premiere or the second episode or whatever that was, when Angela is like rattling off the list of their kids. And she's like, so I have an older child from a previous relationship. then Charles has a child and then we have twins. That wording was very specific for a reason, because that baby is not, you know what I mean. I just think as we're getting to know these new ladies, I want to get to know all of them. I want to get to know the unflattering parts, the embarrassing parts, the funny parts, the sad parts. And I think that knowing that Angela's

husband maybe allegedly had a child out of wedlock while they were together. Feels important. Feels important. And I hope that we continue to talk about it. So the funniest, the thing that made me laugh the most was when Drew and Britt went to dinner or drinks or whatever. You can never tell what time of day it is. And these, I feel like the Atlanta restaurants never have windows. It's always dark.

They're at the strip club in the middle of the day. They're getting a drink, whatever. and Drew is like, I need the details about what happened with Kenya. And the way, she just goes, so did you sell it? And Britt's like, sell what? And Drew just goes, the cat. Drew! This, no, I was losing it because did you sell the cat?

It's the craziest way to ask somebody about if they have a past as a sex worker. Did you sell it? It is, oh my God. If for that reason alone, Drew Sondora, permanent contract, sign it. She gets the golden ticket. Oh my God. And then she's like, did you do porn? I just love that Drew is asking the questions that we're all asking.

Actually, the thing is, though, it's like, normally I would really want the details. I don't feel like I need the details of this, of like, where did the photos of Brittany doing, whatever she's doing come from. I'm like, I don't care. She's like, I did webcam once when I was in my 20s and then I let one guy film me. I'm like, okay, go off, sis. Like, I don't care. Do the webcam. Start the only fans. I am not judging. Can you, wherever can you found those pictures, whoever she had to text to dig those up, it was wrong either way. I don't know. If you're on the webcam, who cares? Let it all hang out. Do what you've got to do. She's losing her license. She's not losing her license. She's not going to lose her. Who knows? But I do feel like now that Kenya's gone,

we can move forward. We can move on to new messy territory. I'm not sure how long we have before Fadra pops up, but I'm feeling better about Atlanta than I was expecting to. And that is good enough for me. And that's good enough for me today, too. I think we've talked it all out. And I hope you all have a great weekend. And thank you so much for listening. We will be back on Tuesday, wherever you listen, or of course, you can watch on YouTube. The link will be in the description. If you don't know where to find us, it'll be the Always on YouTube channel. But thank you so much for listening.

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