Mention It All - It’s Not About The Pizza Oven Ft. Jordana Abraham (RHONJ)

Episode Date: March 29, 2023

For this Wednesday debrief, Dylan and Jordana start by discussing the status of Summer House. How long can this show last without some major changes? Then, they jump back into RHONJ’s shore trip, where we get some much-needed context on the core of Joe and Teresa’s current feud. With the pizza oven drama out in the open, things fall apart at Rachel’s brunch, and no one is safe. Check out our latest promo codes here: https://betches.com/promos Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With me, Dylan Hafer. We're going to check me, both. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I am Dylan Hafer. And today, we are talking about Jersey.

And there's no one else that I would rather have a chaotic backyard shore brunch with than Jordana Abraham. Hey, Jordana. Hey, Dylan. So happy to be back. Before we get into Jersey, I just wanted to know. Because I've been having thoughts about how, am I the only one who think Summerhouse is very bad or is that you're like in the Bravo world on all things. Bravo. I'm just a few select shows. But I've been watching Summerhouse and I'm like, I'm so bored. The thing, Jordana, is you're absolutely

not the only person who thinks that. I have not watched this week's episode yet. And that actually says a lot because, you know, obviously I'm talking about posting about thinking about these shows all the time. So if I start to slip into that like, oh, I'll catch up before next week kind of rhythm. It's like, it's not the vital viewing that maybe it has been in the past. It was said to be sort of almost like the new Vanderpump. I think it felt for a while like it was taking those ratings or those viewers and becoming a better show. And then now Vanderpump made the comeback of the century. And I'm just way less interested in Summerhouse.

I think the format of Summerhouse and the sort of central conceit of it, that it's these people sharing a house going out to the Hamptons every week. to party question mark. I think it really, the cast is sort of pushing up against the, the, what, you know, it's starting to strain credulity a little bit, that it's like, okay, Kyle and Amanda are married, Kyle's in his 40s, Carl is sober, and sometimes so is Lindsay, and they're seemingly very happy and getting engaged. And, you know, Paige is dating this guy who lives in Charleston and is spending half her time

there and also is, like, seems a little too bougie to actually. actually be like sharing a bedroom in this house. And I think with with Vanderpump, what we've seen the last few seasons is that when they tried to kind of freshen up the show and bring in new blood and kind of keep it like young and hot, it actually backfired. And so Vanderpump now is sort of leaning back into like it's this one group of friends that you kind of can't look away from. Whereas Summerhouse, I don't think that group is actually staying, you know, vital the way that the Vanderpump crew is. Totally agree. I think Vanderpump, like the magic of Vanderpump is that the drama does

seem very real because they were all. Those people were friends for many years before this show and sort of most of them have been there the whole time and they are kind of, they truly are as crazy as they are seen to be. And it doesn't seem like it's just for TV. It really seems like that's who those people are. Yeah. I totally. agree. I think with Summerhouse, obviously this season is what it is. Lindsay and Carl are now engaged. I think they're planning to get married this fall. You know, Kyle and Amanda are having baby conversations. It does seem like either next season or maybe like one more season after that, you're going to get to a point where it's like this cast simply doesn't make sense in this setting. Whether you want to spin off into a different show where they're more just kind of, like, living life in the city. That could have potential. Everybody always talks about, you know, one or more of them, maybe making the jump to Housewives of New York. I don't know if that would work, but yeah, Summer House, to me, kind of has an expiration date, at least with this group.

Agree. It's almost like, I agree, the premise is also, doesn't make sense. It would be as if everyone on Vanderpump rules were still working at Sir. Yeah. No one is working at Sir because realistically they don't need to work at Sir. Exactly. I think also what might feel like it has an expiration date on it as of recently is how long Teresa and Melissa can continue to coexist on this show? This episode to me really did feel like sort of maybe a sea change moment as we see in the mid-season trailer this week, we're really approaching the point.

of no return. Maybe we're already there, but we're certainly, you know, on that train track over the cliff. And I mean, it's starting to feel like this might be the last few episodes that we ever get of this version of Jersey. Yeah. I mean, I can't believe that this, this past feud or this beef that they had with each other wasn't discussed until this episode. Now everything in the past makes so much more sense. This whole season to me makes so much more sense, knowing that. that there was this business feud, which would divide anyone, let alone people who already don't really like each other. I'm like, oh, of course, now this all makes sense.

Because some seasons they're sort of able to like make it work. Yeah. And like downplay the thing. Now I'm kind of like, oh, there's money involved on top of people who are already in a very contentious relationship anyway. Of course, this is going to be like the final straw. Right. This cracking open this nut of whatever happened with the pizza oven, really, which we can't go back to these. I still don't really understand what happened, but.

Right. But cracking this open and sort of starting to dig around for the different versions of this story really feels like it sort of illuminates so many things that have happened in the last two seasons. and now I want to go back and be able to have like a timeline super imposed on the show where it's like, okay, so, you know, last season when, you know, when they're having, when Teresa and Louis are having their hot mic moment where she's like, you didn't sign up for this, was the pizza oven already happening then? Like, was there money issues at that point when they had their big blow up fight at the shore? Like there are once you have the kind of context that's been bubbling under the surface, all of a sudden you're like, wait, was every fight for the last, you know, 20 episodes of this show actually about the pizza oven? To me, like, of course. I just, it's funny to me that that these two, I get like, the pizza oven thing almost signifies the entire Melissa, Teresa relationship. It's like they want so bad to be this close family that is close and, you know, goes into business together and works together and is so intertwined and on this show together. But they are not people who should go into business together.

It's baffling. It really is when Joe is saying in the confessional, he's like, yeah, you know, everybody says, don't go into business with your family. And you can do business with anyone if you're not looking to cheat somebody. And it's like, okay, sure. Yes, that is true. You shouldn't be wanting to cheat the person you're going into business with. But there's a reason that the whole doing business with your family thing is a thing. And in this family specifically, you two have never had a sustained period of being good with each other.

And so it's sort of baffling to think that in 2021 or 2020, to whenever this was happening, that these people really thought that this was something worth putting money and time and resources into. And neither one of them was like, wait, let me think for a second. Is this a smart decision? Do we want to go here? Because it's not like they haven't had issues. Again, they had some other pizza, pasta thing.

They had a restaurant. And it went horribly. It barely lasted any time at all. They were contentious between the two families while it was open. I think there was some going back and forth and arguing after it closed about kind of who was at fault for that. That did not go well. And then to do this, I do want to go into like what kind of the two different stories we're getting are. Because what doesn't seem to be up for debate is that Louis put in this money, this 250K, she says.

and seemingly Joe Gorga did not put in any money as much money. Definitely, it doesn't seem like anyone is arguing with the fact that Louis fronted more of the money. So Joe thought they were going to get 50-50. Louis talked to his attorney and decided that Joe would get 5%, which there's a lot of, there's a lot of middle ground between 50 and 5. So I think that would be interesting to explore a little bit more. But then basically, Teresa says she flipped out on Joe and said that if he wants half, he has to put up half.

And Louis basically just took the loss. Like all of this money that he had, I guess, put into this pizza oven was just gone because they decided not to do it. Right. And then on Joe's side, I guess he had that issue where he thought it would be 50-50. and also the issue that Teresa seemed like she was sort of taking what was he's saying his idea to make this pizza oven and then co-opting it, taking more than 50% and then trying to change the name to like skinny pizza. Yes. So according to Joe, this was supposed to be a lovely tribute to their father in the form of a, I'm assuming, pretty shittily made pizza oven.

Like something that you could get from QVC. and it was going to be called like no no pizza or you know whatever and that his nephew got him involved in it i don't the nephew thing seems superfluous which nephew from his other side i don't know i don't know um but then so they thought it was going to be no no pizza things were in the works whatever and then teresa had a photo shoot without telling him and the packaging was all done and it was like i'm assuming teresa's face on the box and with skinny pizza which first of all I love, you know, entrepreneurial spirit of Teresa trying to relaunch her skinny Italian brand from days gone by. That in and of itself would be like a sort of perfect housewife storyline. But the fact that it has to be wrapped up in this massive web of Gorga family nonsense, it's like we can't just enjoy the silliness of skinny pizza. Yeah. I mean, to me, it was just like such a bad idea on all. all fronts.

Even if the name is skinny pizza in 23. Also, I feel like not really a with the time's branding move. Also, what's the, what does the oven have to do with the pizza being skinny? Like, if it was, good point. You could do a skinny pizza cookbook, perhaps.

Still, still the name is a little bit of a red flag, but at least I would understand. It's like, okay, you're doing the low carb crust, the low fat cheese, whatever. But like, it's just, an oven. Right. The oven itself doesn't discriminate between healthier pizzas or not, I would assume. I'm just picturing like Sonia's toaster oven with Teresa's face slapped on the side. That was one of the best moments in housewives history. Yeah, no more oven business ventures for

these women. It's just, it's never going to happen. Yeah, I don't know if I want an oven made from a housewife. I don't know if that's like, yeah. Should I get the sub-zero or the Sonia Morgan brand. I think in terms of kitchen and like cookware, I would be much more likely to buy like a cute housewives like set of dishes or like a pan or a utensil or something than like an appliance. Like I don't think I'm not buying the like Shannon Bador branded like fish grill. I don't know. Like I'm, I don't know. You want something more fun like more like a little bit kitsier. Right. And also like a lower price point. Like I. Yeah.

If I'm in the, if I'm in the market for like to spend a few hundred dollars on a kitchen appliance, I'm not going to go the like, okay, what did the housewife slap her name on? I'm going to go to like consumer reports and buy the best one. Right. Like I don't need like the Luan like Sam, instead of Samsung, Luan TV. I wouldn't trust it. Oh my God. The Luan Smart TV and she's just like narrating all the channels. Oh, God.

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Like, I'm picturing that there's like a producer meeting really early that morning. And they have like the clipboards and they're like, okay, you go to this house, you go to this house, you go to this house, and we're delivering the talking points on like a note card. And it's like, okay, what did you? you think about Danielle and her brother? That situation seems weird, right? Yeah, it's a very calculated, I think, stream of conversations for sure. Everyone, everyone's pretty much contributing, so. Right. Like, we're, you know, every house talks about the situation with Danielle and her brother. And of course, the two houses that Danielle is not at are both agree that there must be more to the situation. That seems to be a common consensus.

And then, you know, they're all talking about Melissa's mom not being invited to the wedding, which again is going to come back later at Rachel Fudo's brunch. But yeah, it's kind of fun that they're split up in three different houses because you do get the like, the slightly different angles on the exact same conversations. Yeah, it's like Game of Thrones. All the different house, POVs. Teresa and Melissa of it all actually did make me think a little bit of this final season of succession that it's like, we're, we're, we're, we're. We're barreling toward a conclusion and like, I don't know if anybody's going to win, but somebody's definitely going to lose. Yes. The stakes are almost as high.

Almost as a billion dollar media empire, a housewife slot for next season. It's big. It's big. It's big. It's about even. So Rachel Futa is hosting her brunch and I got to say, I don't know what Rachel Fuda was expecting, but I was certainly not expecting that this would be. like the vast majority of the episode and so much drama would go down in this poor woman's backyard. It was a lot. Yeah. It's her first hosting event. She brought out the mermaid.

She really pulled out all the steps. My feeling about this brunch was like I felt like it became so dramatic because everyone was a little hungover and already kind of in a mood from the night before because you saw, I mean, last episode, we discussed how much they were drinking. They were taking shot after shot after shot. And unless they were like superhuman or getting IV drips, at their age, I would imagine they'd be quite hung over the next day. So I feel like the combination of like, it's sort of this gloomy day. Yeah.

They're all kind of like irritable and hungover. Sort of the perfect storm to create this huge dramatic thing. It's probably like 80 degrees and like 90% humidity. You can just like the air feels thick. Some things are coming. I mean, that's the beauty of Housewives trips is that if this was at home and they and somebody else had had, you know, a party and then maybe three days later they're meeting up for brunch and everybody's just, you know, a 20 minute drive from home, it would not

have the same kind of heightened stakes, I don't think. But because they're at the shore, it's like everybody is kind of stuck there. You know, they're coming in their groups of three. The husbands are there, too. They've seen each other the night before. Like you said, they're probably hung over. It does feel like everybody comes into this brunch sort of with a cross to bear. And we reap the rewards of it.

Yes. This is like their chance to like get theirs from the night before. Totally. We get another bizarre Instagram video from Louis that he made the night before with Nate and Bill. I just, I can't with Louis's social media content. It's never going to be good. I mean, I think it kind of illustrates a little bit about who he is and sort of what Melissa was trying to articulate. Uh-huh.

And that like, it sort of appears to be like a nice thing to do and like a, he's not saying anything. He's not like talking shit on the thing, but it's like a little patronizing or a little like, I know the way of the world. And again, his way of the world isn't like super negative, but it does seem a little bit like, I've got it figured out. You guys are all a mess. Let me, like, impart my wisdom to you. It's very like some guy that looks professional,

but like a little bit off maybe is doing like a business seminar in like a hotel ballroom. And you have to like call and reserve your stuff. spot and he's like, I have, I have the one secret that's going to bring you success and everything in your life. And you're like, okay, I don't know if this is going to happen at like a, you know, Marriott on a Tuesday afternoon. But I guess I'll go because I'm, because I, you know, I'm a little bit down in the dumps. He has that sort of like car salesman type of energy that. Yeah. Some of the things he's saying, I think, are spot on. But the delivery just feels a

little bit like yikes. Yeah, he's a little bit of like a poor man's Tony Robbins. That's what he's like trying to be. I think he's trying to be this like inspirational guy, but it's something of, I don't know if you could be that guy and also choose to marry Teresa. He's like a juice head, Dr. Phil. Yeah. Perfect. Juice head. That should be the episode title. But yeah, we will, we'll get more to Louie. But first I'm going to talk about the, um, the conversation. between Danielle and Margaret, because they have their little talk. Danielle is upset at the way that Rachel has portrayed the conversation that they had and says that when she made the comment about Margaret having the arsenal,

that she didn't mean it like that. That she just, you know, she just said it. So she brings Rachel over. And basically these women are having a conversation about semantics and like the maybe underlying intentions behind what they said, because I think it's important to note, Danielle really is never denying that she said the things she said about Margaret, but she feels like she was thrown under the bus by Rachel by sort of carrying the bone back to Margaret's side, which I would argue Danielle already sort of did on Teresa and Jennifer's behalf. And also,

that's just how Housewives works. Right. Yeah, I agree with that. I mean, no, kind of, I don't even, Rachel isn't even really denying saying that. She's kind of like, I did say that I'll own that. I didn't think it was a big deal. Kind of, she says. And then like, now they kind of, I think there's like this under, they do address it head on, but I do think now there's going to be this rest of the season. I mean, you sort of see that in what's coming up underlying tension. Yeah, I, I like that the two new women are sort of getting into it a little bit because obviously, you know, Danielle has her issue with. Margaret, we see Rachel kind of getting into it a little bit with Teresa and Jennifer.

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Sprite is a registered trademark of the Coca-Cola Company. Jen Fessler. I like the Jen Fessler. sort of feels like an outside observer in a way because she's talking to Teresa and this conversation about Melissa's mom is coming back up again and Jen Fessler is like, I just want to get to the bottom of this. And Teresa is now adamant. This feels like a new, a new story to me that she is saying that if Joe, when the wedding invitations had gone out, if Joe had just called her and asked nicely for her to invite Donna Marco to the wedding, she would have done it. And it wouldn't have been an issue and that it was not meant as a slight to not invite her, he just should have called her.

And I don't, I don't think this is what Teresa's initial reaction was a few episodes ago. Yeah, she's kind of changing her tune. And I also think that Joe had a good response to that where he was saying, when I brought up things in the past to you, like it hasn't gone well. So I didn't do that, which is true. Right. To me, it's like maybe Teresa, I mean, obviously she made the decision not to invite her in the first place and maybe didn't think that much about it. She was just like, yeah, I don't really care.

I don't want them there, whatever. And then now that it is clear that like everybody else in the group aside from maybe Jennifer and Danielle are like everybody thinks this is weird and kind of shitty. And so now Teresa maybe feels like she kind of has to do a little revisionist history and be like, no, no, no, no. I didn't do it like as like a, you know, as like an F you. It just, she just wasn't on the list. And then he didn't ask me to put her on the list. I just found out like, you know, yesterday that apparently it's a big issue. But now we're not really on good terms.

So now I'm not going to invite her. And it's like, if you don't want her there, just say that. Right. It's all very convenient. And she did just say that to, like, the producers. She didn't really say that. She said that in the confessional. She didn't say that to them.

Right. And, you know, just as a cherry on top, we get another mangling of making a mountain out of a molehill. Teresa says that Joe is making a mountain into a mole hill. No housewife has ever, has ever properly used that phrase. Especially Teresa. I would not, I would not, if I, if I were a. betting woman, I wouldn't, I wouldn't bet on her being the first one. Yeah. Yeah. She probably should have left that one alone. But she tries, she tries. Until she freaks out at Jackie.

Then it was like, oh, when she was starting to yell at Jackie, I was like, okay, the therapy, this is not. I think she's distanced herself from her therapy mode. Well, she's distanced herself from maybe the actual intent of the therapy. But she is very quick to drop. the therapy card and say basically look at me holding this drink and not throwing it in your face. See that? That's therapy. And I'm like, is it? I guess.

I think therapy is not telling someone to just shut the fuck up repeatedly and continuously and screaming at them. I have to say the explosion at Jackie actually did surprise me because it felt like Jackie has not really been a central figure in this conflict. this season so far. And she and Teresa have not really had any direct issue with each other this season that I recall. And so when they're standing in a circle and, you know, Melissa's over there talking with Louie and Joe. And Teresa is just like, well, you know, Melissa has daddy issues. All Jackie said basically was like, well, that's not nice. And you would have thought that Teresa, like, you know, you would have thought that Jackie like came for her entire life. And Teresa is like so mad at her for sticking up for Melissa even just one little bit.

Yeah, this looked like it was on par with like when Jackie said the Gia comment. Right. It was just as intensive a reaction. The whole daddy issues thing is so, it's such a like an odd thing to be arguing about because obviously Teresa when she's saying it is not meaning it as like a nice thing to say about Melissa. But then when she gets called out, after flipping out of Jackie, she immediately kind of tries to reset and says, well, my daughters have daddy issues because, you know, because of all

the stuff that Joe has done to them. And Jen Aiden is like, yeah, it's not an insult to say that somebody has daddy issues, which that to me is a little bit like, okay, you're, you're, there's a lot going on in your household that might, you know, whatever. She also didn't just say she has daddy issues. She said she has daddy issues, which is why she keeps my brother on such a tight leash and won't let him leave the house because her dad was cheating on her mom. It was like a lot of like airing of laundry that is not hers to air that seemed a little bit of a below the belt comment. And also just like not true.

Like it doesn't really seem like Melissa's so controlling of Joe. If anything, it kind of seems like the opposite or in the previous season. it kind of seemed like Joe is more controlling of Melissa. Yeah. And she, I mean, she brings up Melissa's dad dying when she was in high school. It's like,

this is not, this is not, over the pizza oven, really? As Jackie says, not nice. Yeah, I can't argue with Jackie there.

I mean, however you feel about Teresa and Melissa, I do feel like the daddy issues things a little bit below the belt. Agreed. But, you know, Louis really feels like he is going to be the soldier of peace at this brunch and he's, you know, he's going to achieve peace by any means necessary.

So he's having his little conversation with Melissa and he's, you know, apologizing again and being like, I would love to have your mother at my wedding. And this is uncomfortable. And then Teresa comes over. And Louis is upset with Teresa for interrupting this moment that he's having with Melissa. And I'm like, Louis, what are you talking about? And then he's like yelling at her. It was, I don't know, the whole thing was kind of a mess. I mean, I feel like it's always interesting to see Louis try to like put Teresa in her place. Yeah. Because he's the only one that can do so without getting screamed at.

Right. I mean, Teresa comes back over after he makes the, I wear your father's pajamas at night comment. Teresa comes back over and Louie's like, don't you two dare fight. Don't you dare fight. talk, talk nice to each other. And it's like, it is, it's sort of bizarre to see the way that Teresa kind of has no reaction to any of the stuff that he's saying to her. But like we just talked about, Jackie, you know, pipes up like for one second to say,

hey, that's not nice and is almost getting a drink thrown in her face, you know, saved only by the fact that Teresa's therapy is clearly working. And it's like, it is, it's a little unsettling. actually, I think, to see the way that Louis, the way that Louis speaks to Teresa and the fact that Teresa has no kind of pushback on it that we ever see. Yeah. It's just so interesting because it's literally the only person on the show that she does not get, that she allows to speak to her like that. No one else on the show is allowed to speak to her like that. Yeah. I mean, I think the thing with Louis is that it's like, I do hope they're happy.

Like, I hope that he and Teresa are, like, having a great time together. And I think that he has definitely brought good things into her life after she's been through so much. But, like, some of these moments, it's just like, I don't, I don't love that. Yeah. I don't love that he wears her father's pajamas. I think that's very weird. Yeah. I guess she tried to clarify and say that there were, like, new pajamas.

that he had like bought but never worn. But I don't, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know about that. But then, so we were talking about how it all seems to go back to this pizza oven, but then does it because we are suddenly back to the exact same argument that we had all of last year, which is Teresa saying that she was not defended enough when it came to the stuff with Margaret. And then Joe and Melissa bring up how at the reunion.

Teresa agreed with Jennifer's assessment that Joe was a bitch. And I mean, similar to the fact that last week we were getting flashbacks to the christening in season three, it's like we never really have moved forward at all, have we? It's like we've had moments where we're not talking about the things that have happened. But it just seems like it's more and more clear every episode that it's like, these people are never actually moving forward. It just seems like it's a deep-seated distaste for her sister-in-law. She really just, she never, she doesn't like Melissa. She never has. Sometimes she tolerates her.

Sometimes they're like able to like make it work. But to me, they've just, she's just never, ever liked her. And I guess the same vice, like the other way around. I think it's always been sort of the same. And I think maybe Teresa's expectations going into her brother, her brother getting married, were that she would be deferred. to or she would be sort of like the head bitch in charge. And I don't think Melissa was ever going to be doing that. And so I think that's really the central issue to their relationship that

sort of is weaved through all of these things that is just a fundamental difference in how they see their roles. Yeah. And I do think also Teresa with Melissa specifically has this expectation that Melissa's main goal should be making sure that things. between her brother and Teresa are, like, perfect. And, like, fixing that should be, like, her main objective in this whole dynamic. And I think Melissa is a lot more focused on just making sure that her and Joe and their kids are good to go. Because it's kind of, like, with so much history and so much shit has gone down between Joe and Teresa, it's like, I think Melissa would sort of be wasting her time. if she was always just worried about how do I fix things here.

Yeah. Agreed. And she's just never going to be like kissing the ring, which is I think what Teresa needs to make the relationship. I think if, I think if tomorrow Melissa went to Teresa and she was like, I'm so sorry. You were right all these years. Like it's been I, you know, you've always been such a mentor and an amazing sister. And like I think it could work, but Melissa's never going to do that. No, and I think, you know, maybe there are times where Melissa and Joe have not helped the situation. I think both parties are at fault here in the sense that a lot of stuff has happened in the last 10 years. And certainly there have been unflattering moments coming from both directions. But it does seem like there just is this fundamental expectation at the center coming from Teresa that just is not ever.

going to be met. And so it's like, why are we even still aiming for that? And I'm sure that being on this show just in general hasn't particularly helped. No. And especially when you think about the fact that like Teresa, every chance she gets still talks about the circumstances under which Joe and Melissa came on the show. Like all the stuff that has happened on the show aside, we still haven't actually moved past some, the circumstances of how this The whole situation began. And so, you know, when we have Louis in the car window talking to Melissa and Joe, it's like this, you know, it's a dramatic moment. And it does feel it's very intense.

And I mean, I'm very, you know, riveted to the TV at what's going on. But at the same time, it's like, I don't actually think any of this is going to like accomplish anything. Yeah. I mean, if it was going to, it would have happened already many years ago. Yeah. I think that's, I think that's kind of exactly what it comes down to is that it's like people who are almost constantly at odds for a decade don't really have any interest in being good friends or good family or close with each other. Like that's not how relationships work. Yeah.

I mean, if Gia's morning song couldn't bring them together, I think it's a lost cause. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. It's like she just doesn't want to see everyone fight. I know. Well, now she doesn't care. Thinking about so many things.

Right. As we all are. As we really are all. Jordana, this has been so fun. We are going to be off the next couple of weeks. I'm going on vacation. So there will be some other podcast content coming your way, not to worry. But we will be back to recapping later in April.

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