Mention It All - Jax’s Temu Rehab Ft. Zack Wickham (The Valley)

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

On today's episode, Dylan is joined by The Valley’s unofficial spokesperson for the messy gay community, Zack Wickham. They get into what it’s really like to go from “friend of” to full-time cast member and why rage texting from rehab might not be the growth Jax thinks it is. Zack also teases The Valley’s first ever reunion, reflects on his long standing loyalty to Brittany, and talks about staying authentic while filming a reality TV show. Plus, in That’s My Opinion!, Dylan and Zack question The Traitors casting and pitch a new release strategy for The Valley that Bravo should adopt immediately. Go to the Always On YouTube page to watch full length episodes: Youtube.com/@AlwaysOnBetches Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Who's on check me both Hey everyone Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast I am so excited To be joined today by someone who I think is Bringing representation to Bravo For the messy gay community

In a way that we really need The Valley star Zach Wickham Here, hello, how are you? Thank you for having me Thank you And I do feel like I do bring the representation for that exact community that you said. Exactly. See, I see you.

We see each other. I did say before we started, you are taller than you come across on TV. And I think also just like the presence. I think when somebody's on a TV show and you're just getting to know them like from a two-dimensional angle, it's always, it's always interesting to get like the IRL experience. Yeah. There's a few people or like maybe multiple people. online that are like, wow, I met him and he is way taller in person. Or every time that like I'll be out and someone recognizes me, they'll be like, wow, you're so tall. And I'm like, wait,

what am I doing on camera that's like shrinking me down? I'm like, do I need to like, you know, start standing up straight? But I need a scoliosis brace or something. But yeah. I am curious. So we're in season two of the valley now. I think season one was kind of like a surprise smash. like everybody was kind of like what is this going to be a wait we love it season two what has the experience for you been like as like a bravo lebrity like being a person on tv now yeah uh see i knew that season one was going to be a smash and i think all of us on cast did because even prior to them picking up cameras and filming our life our friend group is just that dramatic without cameras like there's literally i'm not even lying like that is us period all day every day even

even like in between seasons, there's still so much drama. They could literally do it 24-7 and they would get, you know, season after season in just one year. But it's been a really cool experience to be able to just like be yourself on camera, share your life, then have it come out and have people like have opinions on it. It's actually like very surreal, but also very fun. Fun but also I imagine like a little bit strange to adjust to that it's like, oh wait, I'm handling things like in my own way. and then suddenly there's like a million people that are giving me feedback.

I will say that is a little jarring when people have such strong opinions, either good or bad. And you're like, wow, okay, this is still, you know, let's remember this is just a TV show, but these are our real lives. So, you know, maybe, you know, calm down a little bit with the, you know, the extreme versions of it. Yeah. But in general, I feel like it's been a really fun and, like, great experience so far. Was there anything when you watched season one back? Was there anything where you were like, okay, I'm going to like make a note for myself to like handle this differently or to like stand a different way? I don't know.

I just feel like it's such a putting a mirror up to yourself in that way is like it's surreal like you said. But I'm just wondering like was there any like feedback for yourself from season one? Going into season three, I'm clearly going to stand up straighter because nobody understands how tall I am. I'm going to make sure that I stand next to Danny every time. No, I'm just kidding. Sorry, Danny. No, I feel like, you know, when you watch it back, if you watch it and you say, oh, like, why was I acting like that? Then you probably shouldn't be on reality TV. Or like if you see yourself in like a moment where you're like, wow, okay. Because I think even Kristen says this, like she's seeing herself in past things and it's like,

wow, let me grow from that. Let me do better. And I think that's where sometimes I'll see myself in scenes. And I'll be like, hmm, I could have handled that better, meaning just like, drink less or just like handled myself better. And I think you actually, it kind of gives you a chance to hold up a mirror and actually grow from it. So if you do it in the right way, it can actually be a very positive thing. Interesting. I'm wondering for you, what was your relationship with reality TV prior to this show coming around? Like were you an avid watcher? Was it, were there specific shows that you really were drawn to? You know, what's really funny is I wasn't really the biggest reality fan. I think old school Bravo.

I used to watch with my mom a lot. Like Tabitha takes over, flipping out the original like housewives of Atlanta, O.C. And Beverly Hills, but like the first, I don't know, like four to six seasons maybe.

Yeah. And then I kind of like fell off as I got older. Not sure why. I just did. When I moved to L.A., it was nine years ago. I knew Brittany from back home. Right.

And when I moved here, that group just became my friend group. of the Vanderpump Rules crew, I just was at every event. And that just became, they just became my friends. So I've been around like the filming aspect. But I thought because of that, I like kind of knew what was going on. And I felt, I feel comfortable around cameras. But being the actual focus, not just aside, you know, just around.

It is a much different experience for sure. Yeah. It's interesting like thinking about, because even by the time Brit, was on Vanderpump, it was like the rest of that crew had been doing it for a few years at that point. And so it was like, it was new to her too. Like she was kind of the new person on the block and then sort of experiencing it through her. It's like there are kind of those layers. And I think what, what I enjoyed about the Valley a lot last season was like, of course you have Jackson, Brittany and Kristen, who we've known for years from watching them. But like there were like 10 new people

who were swimming in this pool for the first time. And watching that, it's like, every everybody kind of has a different reaction to that exposure. Well, and how they handle it. And also just in situations when you are filming something, are you being authentic and acting like you always would in that situation? Or are you being a different version of yourself in that situation? And I think there are certain people that you might get one way or you might get another. So it's very interesting for sure.

Yeah. And being somebody who had had relationships with a lot of these people prior. and then you're on camera, it is kind of like, okay, taking stock of like, where does each person fall on that spectrum? Of like, they're exactly, I know exactly what I'm going to get versus like, now with some people, maybe it feels like there's some like different vibes going on. Yeah, well, I feel like most of us were new to being like, obviously the main focus of a reality show.

Most of us had done something either with VPR or like Danny and Nia had done, you know, some other stuff. Obviously, Nia in the pageant world. So you have all these different backgrounds and you're putting them all on a show together. And it is really cool to like see it all play out. Yeah. It feels like you guys as a cast, there's a lot of you. And there are so many different little nuances and everybody has their own relationships.

And even so far this season, it's been really interesting to think about like, okay, going into the season, you and Kristen both have an issue with Janet. But you and Kristen had different relationships with Janet prior to those issues. And then talking about how that affects your friendships with Brittany and you have different backgrounds with her. Like everybody really has their own kind of things that they need to figure out and take care of. And I think that it gives us so much to kind of look at and react to every week. Well, and I think what made Vanderpump rules so special is you're taking a true group of friends that just happened to be the most dramatic people that you've met or the, like biggest personalities and you're just filming what they would already be doing. And so with us, these are all our real friends. I've been friends with Janet since I moved to L.A.

Or actually since she moved because she moved like two years after. Brittany forever. Kristen, since I moved here, you know, each one of them, even like people that are just on Vanderpump rules. Tom Schwartz is one of my like very close friends. Sheena, you know, even Lala or whatever. like we all are in we're all friends and we all hang out or we're all at you know the events together all the time so I think you don't get that with a lot of other shows yeah and you get that with ours because we have such deep history which I think it makes the drama that much more rich yeah it's almost interesting to think about like if the valley continues to be on like season after season like where would you even start if you were trying to like cast people on the show it's I mean

I'm sure you guys it would have to be from our friend other friends yeah yeah If Sheena or Lala or Tom come on in a bigger capacity, it would make sense because they are our friends and we hang out with them. So, you know, you could cast from anywhere in our friend group because we all are, we all hanging out. At some point, we might need more from Sheena than just being on the phone to confirm that it was the guy from Baywatch. Well, yes. So, you know, we do have such a large cast. it makes it very hard to, you know, there's going to be, there's going to be different storylines. You'll follow more heavily than others.

But I think what's great about our cast is that every single person really puts their all into it. And I just mean being authentic and living their life on camera for the audience. And I think that's so important. And so same with like Sheena Lala and Schwartz. If they want to come on, well, just be ready to live your life as authentically as we're living ours. Yeah. It's everybody has to, you know, agree to hold their own. I, I think going into this season, obviously there are two, two couples in the mix that are really going through it. The Brittany and Jacks dynamic is front and center. Going through it is an understatement. Undersatement

of the century. Brittany and Jacks, Jesse and Michelle, both like supremely messy and complicated in very different ways. Very different ways. I'm wondering for you, as some of the same thing, somebody, obviously you have your own, you know, friendship stuff, which will get into and things that you're going through. But like, knowing that these two pairs of people on the show and in your life have these, like, massive things that they're working through, how do you kind of approach wanting to be there to help, but also to kind of like curious what's going on? Like, what's your kind of way of handling stuff like that in the group? Well, specifically with Brittany and Jacks, I'm Brittany's best friend.

I have been around Jacks and been his friend since I moved to L.A. nine years ago. So I have seen it all. I've been through it all with her. I'm usually the one that's there when nobody else is. I've been there through good and bad. So as far as what happens and transpires with that, I'm just so deeply invested, obviously,

that sometimes I'm going to be a lot more harsh than people might not understand why I am having that reaction. But it's because of, again, the history that I have with this person and knowing them so well. And I'm not just talking about Britney. I'm talking about Jacks too. Yeah. I think you could sense that,

especially in the episode where Brittany and Jacks had that kind of big confrontation before he was going off to his treatment program. Like even Brittany really making some tough decisions in the moment of like, how much am I going to say right now? How honest am I going to be? If, if, you know, I have all of these years of things floating around in my mind that some of them I've said, some of them I haven't, there's some elephants in the room really like figuring out kind of how to share that. And I, you know, you having been around for so much of that also kind of being like, okay, like, how are we framing this in a way that's honest, but also like

there's like a child involved and it's like marriage and families. And it's, It's really complicated. It's super complicated, but I think the one thing that also kind of sets our show apart from others is that it is almost honest to a fault. Like, you're seeing everything for exactly the way it is. And there is no holding back anymore. And I think it's like this raw view that you really haven't gotten in a lot of shows in the past. And so some people are like, oh, it's so dark and whatever.

Well, it's real life. and you're actually seeing the things that maybe other shows might be hiding. We're laying it all on the table. And one thing I want to say about Brittany is when you see her handle Jacks in that situation, that is one of the most proud moments I've ever had of her because she held her ground. She didn't let him walk all over her. She made sure she was forceful and got her point across because sometimes like Jacks has that overpowering way and deflecting and whatever. But like Brittany did it. And I commend her for having

to live all of this on camera and having to deal with someone like Jacks who, you know, sometimes he's great and sometimes he's difficult, which you will see all season, you know, the ups and the downs. But yeah, it's just we're, we're letting it all hang out there truthfully. Man, and this week's episode in Santa Barbara, the stream of texts that she's getting as he is like at therapy and then gets his phone back for 15 minutes. It's like, I can't imagine just having like even if some of the, some of the texts are nice, some of the texts are mean, some of it's, you know, crazy accusations, whatever, just like having to deal with the constant like ping of that person. Like, it's, it's a lot to deal with. And really thinking of that throughout this season, like, that has to be

weighing so heavily on her. 100%. And I hope people see that, you know, oh, he's in rehab, but he isn't involved with the filming. So he knows that we're filming. And so then he raged texts to make sure that somehow he's a part of that drama. It's like that I won't go into too many details or anything else because, you know, I need to make sure I watch what I say.

Because I do have, you know, my handler here. But, you know, the thing. thing about him, he, the rage, it's just so prevalent. I was like, what, what Timu rehab are you going to that you have your, no rehab, have I ever heard of in my life? Do you get your phone? Thank you. I was wondering this. Trust me, we all were. We're like, what spa are you at that is, and he, not only that, he got an hour out every day with a person taking him places. So he could go back to the house, which you will see later. He could, you know, do things. that like no rehab does that.

And he kept, he'll, you, I think in this episode, you see him say, well, my wife didn't come visit me. This didn't happen, whatever. Okay, well, number one, you were only there for 30 days. So chill the fuck out. Number two, also it's rehab. How about you work on yourself? And then we'll see you in 30 days.

The thing for me is like, obviously, you know, there are different types of programs and everybody needs a different level of whatever. I'm not an expert on that. But it's like, If you're at an inpatient facility like that and it's so front of mind still to be texting and complaining and, you know, spewing and whatever, it's just so clear that you're not. In between sessions. You're not actually taking the, you're not taking that time to really take a step back and like work on yourself. Right.

And that's just what frustrates me because it's like, you know, Kristen and Nia were here a couple weeks ago and we're talking about the idea of that it's like, Brittany shouldn't be like. proud of Jacks that he's, you know, doing what he needs to do. But it's like, I don't even think he is doing what he needs to do. Like, that doesn't make me think that he's going to get better. I mean, you just said it all right there. Yeah. My thing is, is, again, I've known Jacks for, you'll see other people have opinions and they've had shorter friendships with him than I've had and they haven't seen some of the actual things that I've been through or that Brittany's been through with him. But I've seen him change in the past. That's, why I could confidently stand up there at their wedding and support and be there for them.

Yeah. Because I've been there for both of them and, you know, for them as it like a couple. And I've seen him go through different changes in his life. And this is, I'm not seeing the Jacks that changed in the past. He's not doing the things that I would have thought, okay, he's definitely going to do this if he's going to show change. And he just hasn't really done that. And I'm sorry, I'm not going to be a person to stand idly by and be like, oh, here, let me give you your cookie or your like participation trophy. Like, no, I'm sorry, you have to do better or show me that you're doing better to get that for me. What was being at that wedding like? Oh, it was the best.

Oh, my God, it was the greatest. It was so. Lance Bass officiating. Lance Bass officiating. It was just so much fun. It was all of our friends because like Brittany and I know each other from back home again. And so it's all the people that I know from Kentucky, too. So it was just one big party.

It was three days long. It was the greatest. And then, you know, we have, not only do we have hooter girls with like the wings as our pre-appetizer thing. Then when we have like the reception, Lance Bass is dancing to bye, bye, bye with all of us. Like, I mean, in what world? Do you know what I mean? In a castle in Kentucky. Like, it was just, it was so much fun, though.

It was the best. Wow. If I could be a fly on the wall at any wedding, it might be Brittany and Jackson. Oh, there was so much, there was so much that happened at that wedding. It was just so great. But it was the best time ever. It was so much fun. So good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now and up to 60% off. Stock up and save on the brands you love like Vince, Sam Edelman, frame, and free people. Join the Nordy Club to unlock exclusive discounts, shop new arrivals first, and more.

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because they're really something to watch this season. Just like the things that are being thrown back and forth, the whole energy between them is so, it's so toxic in such a, like, I can't look away. It's like a car crash. What is that like, I mean, I know. So where are you kind of between the two of them with like friendship levels, would you say? So I had, I've known Michelle before a lot of people knew Michelle.

Like Michelle was friends with Brittany and Kristen and was very close with them, as was I. I wasn't as close as them, obviously, but like we were pretty close. Like we would see each other at a lot of things and maybe not have individual hangouts, but we were close when we were at group things. Yeah. And I really never knew Jesse before. Like I knew him for years, but like he never took the time to like talk to me. Interesting.

So I think you see, you see our relationship evolve because now Jesse, Jesse does have this way of owning his stuff or like admitting when he's doing something. Like you saw in episode one where he straight up admits like, well yeah I'm doing this to like fuck with Michelle and then it's like well he owned it so like am I that Matt but yes like he shouldn't be doing that to Michelle obviously and anytime you're making a custody battle harder that come on dude so there's times where I'm like you have to get you have to stop doing that and I definitely hold him accountable for that but I mean he's great he's a he's a very charming guy he's very charming but I don't fall for charming though okay because like I will call you out on your BS and I do

but I think he likes that about me. So we've actually like kind of started to like kind of started to like kind of start a friendship for the first time. But yeah, like I think he's he has bad intentions sometimes, good intentions others. And yeah, but them together, it's sometimes it's tit for tat. Like they just, they'll just go back and forth and yeah. It's hard to take sides because I don't, I really just don't take sides on that battle either way. swings so wildly that at the, at Janet's party at Dave and Busters,

which I know you were not in attendance. I was not. It's like we're first we're talking about this rumor that Michelle's been sleeping with a billionaire for $1,500 a night, which like I felt bad for her. She's very upset about that. And then she's going around trying to get people to vote Jesse out of the Santa Barbara trip that he has put together.

And I'm like, well, I don't think that's. That's not the solution. I don't think that makes sense either. Right. So that's so you see. but I deal with. Right.

So, yeah. And had I been at that, Dave and Buster's party, Janice party, I would have also voted that Jesse, you know, like, I'm sorry it's his trip. Like, sorry that he did this to you, he shouldn't have. But obviously, no one, like, truly believes it. So you sometimes you just have to, like, don't give it power. But unfortunately in this group, we give everything powers. We're not great with not doing that.

I think Janet might have forgiven you quicker if you just went to Dave and Busters and won her like 50,000 tickets or something. Oh, yeah, absolutely. She would have literally. She would have, what was I mad about? She was like, I don't care. If I would have handed her anything, David and she would have been like done. Talk me through this conversation that you guys have in Santa Barbara. You could tell that it was really weighing on you a lot to kind of get this over with and to really try and move forward.

What was your kind of, did you know going into that weekend that it was going to be important to you to have that conversation? The thing is, we've had semi-conversations. We've had some little things. But this has been weighing for so long. But it also not, it wasn't just what kind of last season was about or last summer. But it was also so much on top of that. So like my emotions going into this weekend. were on like a thousand because I just wanted resolution for it,

but I wanted to actually talk through it and get all of our points across so that we could actually move forward. And I think that was very important to me to have that conversation, but to also have the conversation in the right manner where we, where it's productive and neither of us are like, um, you know, leaving the conversation and feeling like, well, I didn't get it all out. So now I'm still, I'm still mad. I wanted it to be like, let's get it all out and let's actually move forward.

That was like my intention with it, which was very hard. And you can like see like I'm that conversation was very long. Um, and had like a lot of levels to it because of what what it was actually about. Yeah. Nia gets called in for emotional support at one point. Well, because and the thing, like she was right. I saw her and I was just like, Nia and like we had rode together to Santa Barbara. Uh huh.

And I mentioned that I was going to have this conversation. And she said, if you need reinforcement, like, I'll be there. And she just so happened to be, like, right in my eyesight. And I was like, Nia, how about come here, please. And I was, like, squeezing her hand because I was just trying to, like, calm down my emotion. It's like, you need somewhere to, like, channel your energy into. Oh, absolutely. I think that Nia seems to me to have that energy where, like, she, if you, if you're, like, good with her,

like, she seems like a very solid, like, calming presence. Oh, absolutely. I've said a thousand times that, like, Benji, my boyfriend is, is like Nia. They're very much the same. Before I had Benji, Nia, like, Nia would, I would be like, you just tell me when I need to, like, I was like, I need a Nia because she, like, holds me accountable or, like, pulls me out or, like, calms me down or, like, holds my hand or whatever. And I've always said, like, the way her and Danny's relationship is, I think is the way

relationship should be, you know, like, no relationship's perfect. But the way they have their dynamic is, is like really amazing. So do we feel like, obviously don't want to spoil anything, but conversation with Janet, do we feel like this apology will maybe stick a little better than last season's apology? I don't know if I'm allowed to say that. But I will say that it definitely was a way better conversation. And I felt like we did move forward in a lot of ways in it. Okay.

We'll take it. You know, it's going to be a long season. Also, I was like, is this before or after the episode? We've got a reunion coming. I know. I'm not trying to get you in trouble. Your first one. What was your vibe just like going into that?

Were you like excited or like nervous? I will tell you. I was so excited. I was like, I'm ready for this. And I also didn't. I specifically made sure that I didn't ask Brittany or Kristen, you know, what to expect or how it was. And yes, I've seen reunions in the past. like with certain seasons of housewives or with Vanderpump rules, obviously.

But I'd never actually experienced it. It is a whole another ball game when you were in that long day. Doing the long day, putting in the work and whatever. It is a different way of I should have asked. I should have prepared better. I thought I was prepared. I was absolutely not. I was crazy for thinking I was prepared.

You're like, did I? I thought I watched the show. I blacked out. It was like crazy. Like I couldn't remember. We'll all discover it together. Yes, we will. And I think this time you might be responsible for things you say when you blacked out.

Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, obviously, I was sober this time. So, I mean, even when I take responsibility, I know where we're going. I take responsibility for what I say when I also am drinking. That's not like, I don't brush that off as like, oh, I didn't, you know, like, it's just whatever. So, but you'll see. Okay. Okay.

You mentioned your boyfriend, Benji. we've gotten to meet him on FaceTime so far this season. What was it like kind of bringing that aspect of your life onto the show a little bit more this year? I mean, they always say if you don't want your relationship to work, like obviously bring it on reality TV. So no, but I thought like I kind of threw him into the wolves because I was like, hey, so because when we started dating, he really didn't understand or know that I was on a reality show. And then I was like, okay, well, now that we're. actually dating and like you we're getting serious um you kind of have to decide if you want to be a part of this because this is part of my life and i want like i'm not going to be fake with that um and so he agreed

to like be you know film with us and i think it's been the greatest because he's not one of those people that's seeking he's an optometrist okay you know what i mean like this is we like a job yeah exactly career is this isn't his wheelhouse and um it's so funny he always says he just like eats in the background of everything just like because he didn't know most of the people but um i'm really really glad that i got to bring him on and you'll see our dynamic and it's like he's the cutest and yeah i just think it's so i'm glad that i get to um showcase my relationship i love that and also like a gay relationship on national tv i think it's really important yeah like with with a show like this there's a lot of people in the cast there's only so many episodes it's like it's gonna take

time to really feel like you know every side of every person. And so I think it's exciting that in season two, it's like we have a few more episodes where we know we've established kind of who everyone is. Like we can sort of have more of those different like textures, which I think is really excited. I also feel like think, I want to thank the audience because like they are willing to kind of take that journey with us and, you know, give us a little leeway or like, oh, like I, like a lot of the comments were like, oh, I didn't really like him at first because of his hair or because of whatever. But like now, like he's growing on me or whatever. So I feel like as people get to know me better and know who I really am and my intentions and my friendships, they'll see the real me

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Our new segment inspired by the legendary Tamara Judge, where we hold space for our strongest reality TV hot takes and personal beliefs. We're each going to have 60 seconds to get activated about our opinions. And you can let us know in the comments whether you agree. I will go first and share my opinion. And then, Zach, you can follow me. Can I get 60 seconds? Okay, my opinion is that the Valley does not need to be on the same production schedule as every other Bravo show. I think we should do the Valley like they do Big Brother. Everybody should be being filmed all the time. And then we can watch an episode at the end of the week where they throw together whatever happened because I just seeing it a year later and then it's only like 15 episodes. Like I need to know what's happening in real time. Like if Jacks is texting Brittany from, you know, the break from therapy at his T-Moo rehab. Like I want to know about that.

when it's happening. I want to see Brittany and Janet getting Taco Bell together. I want to know who's at Dave and Buster. It's like I need to know what's happening in real time. And I feel like we aren't getting enough Valley content. And waiting from season one to season two, it really, it felt like a long wait. And I know that that's like a normal wait for a Bravo show. But I just think there's something with you guys, like you said. We could be filming a hundred episodes a year. And I don't think that it would be too many. And that is my opinion. And that is also an opinion we can. Not that I would, I don't, I don't, I don't know if we could emotionally handle. Oh, yeah, no, that would be tough.

But you know what? But you are correct. Like, you could film us at other times. We could follow a different schedule and you could have like three seasons a year or what. I'm going to watch like on a live feed. Oh, my God. I'm going to be like Jacks watching the cameras. It's too real.

It's too real. That hurts. 60 seconds. We'll try. No pressure. So mine is about the traders. Basically, I feel like there's not enough traders. I feel like we need to have either more people on cast.

Definitely more bravo. celebrities, maybe like a Bravo only one and then maybe like other reality stars on another one. And then also a civilian one for America because that English one and the Australian one, those civilians, they crazy. And I love it. So I definitely think we need that for the traders. And then also, yeah, we either need a house. Oh my God. Imagine a housewives only. The drama. Or like a valley only one or like Valley and Vanderpump one. Oh my God. We would tear each other a lot, but it would be the greatest, like, however many episodes of TV, it would be awesome.

Or maybe trade off every other season. I don't know. There just needs to be more traders because Traders is the greatest show besides the Valley to exist in reality show TV history. And that's your opinion. And that's my opinion. That's my opinion. There we go.

So we're doing 100 episodes of the Valley and 100 episodes a year of Traders. Yeah, because you have to, yeah, absolutely. Okay, but you guys could do, like on Orange County last season, they like, played traders at one of their parties because like Tamara was on it. So I feel like next season on the Valley, you could do a little like traitors game night, maybe. Or just cast you on traders. No, number one, this is my official bid to be on traders at some point.

Thank you. Um, in the future. Uh, but yeah, we could do that on our show. I feel like I don't know if it would end well, but, but you know what? It would be good TV. So maybe we should. Michelle would be like, Jesse's the traitor. If you don't phone him out.

That's what I'm saying. It would be over enforcement. If you don't vote him out, I'm leaving. Yeah. Well, you've given me a lot to think about. Fan casting traders, I think, is one of the, like, highest art forms that we have right now. I also feel like RuPaul's Drag Race, like, they need more drag. Like, Bob was amazing.

Peppermint didn't get her moment. And there are so many others that I think would thrive in that environment. Less of these, like, straight men from the challenge and more drag queens and people from the valley. 1,000%. Amazing. Well, Zach, thank you so much for being here. Thanks for having me. Congrats.

Can't wait to see the rest of the season. Can't wait to see the reunion and, you know, maybe the live feeds for next season. Yeah, I'll get on that. Thanks everyone for watching. Don't forget to rate, review, and subscribe. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Mention It All is produced by me, Dylan Hafer, and Joe Diomor.

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