Mention It All - Jennie Is Fired & Amanda Is Tired Ft. Jordana Abraham (Summer House, Vanderpump Rules Reunion)

Episode Date: January 26, 2022

Betches fave Jordana Abraham returns for another episode jam-packed with drama. She and Dylan talk through Jennie Nguyen’s RHOSLC firing, and why dumping her was like dating a Disney adult. Next, they recap Summer House and diagnose the relationship issues on the show. Later, they get into the Vanderpump Rules reunion, where James and Raquel officially uncouple. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Your summer starts now with Memorial Day deals at the Home Depot. It's time to fire up summer cookouts with the next grill, four-burner gas grill, on special buy for only $199. And entertain all season with the Hampton Bay West Grove's seven-piece outdoor dining set for only $49. This Memorial Day get low prices guaranteed at the Home Depot. While supplies last, price invalid May 14th or May 27th. U.S. only exclusions apply.

See Home Depot.com slash price match for details. Betches Media presents. Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All. A Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With Dylan Hafer. We're going to check me, Bill.

Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer. And today I am joined by a returning guest, but it's been a while. You know her as the co-founder of Betches and the co-host of the U-Up podcast. Jordana Abraham, welcome back. Thank you for having me. I have so much fun doing this podcast.

and so I'm so excited to be back. Huge Bravo fan of most Bravo shows. And I'm really excited to. I have so many thoughts. So I'm excited to be here. Yeah. I was excited to hear that you not only are watching Vanderpump rules this season, but actually have,

you know, thoughts and feelings about it because I got to say, it's been a little difficult to find people who are at all invested in what's going on this season on Vanderpump. I mean, hot take. I actually. kind of enjoyed this season.

Very weird take. I know. That is a little bit of a hot take. I don't completely disagree with you. We will get more into it a little bit later. But the biggest breaking news since our last episode, which was a couple days ago, is that Jenny Wynn has been fired from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Last time I recorded, it was like, you know, Andy had, you know, they had kind of said

their big nothing on watch what happens live. And then Andy was like, stay tuned. You don't know what's happening. And Bravo did it. You know, they did what everyone was kind of asking them to do, hoping they would do. And I have mixed feelings because some people are like, why did it take them so long? But then also it's like, this is a corporation who has like HR practices. And so what are, I don't know how much you've been following closely the Jenny stuff, but give me your take on it. Definitely the right move. And here's the thing. Regardless of whatever she was saying, I actually just don't think that she's that good of a character. Regardless of if this happened, I was kind of like, were they going to invite this person before any of this happened? I was like, are they going to invite this woman back? Because like, I didn't really like this season that much. And I feel like I've said this on the ad badgers podcast. I think the casting in general is just like the crew just does not seem like they like each other at all or like cohesive. and I don't think she like helped that. So I don't think she should have been invited back anyway,

but obviously like super easy decision now that she's like, you find this out about her. Yeah, there's always that kind of thing where it's like, okay, so maybe if somebody is like the backbone of the franchise and a longstanding veteran, like maybe there's a little bit more wiggle room, but it's like if somebody's already kind of in the gray area, it's like, oh, cut the fat, you know, get rid of her. It's like you're going on a date with,

someone that you're on the fence about and then they say something like very questionable. You're like, okay, great. I don't have to think about this anymore, like obvious choice to not go out again. That absolutely. Like, I'm talking to someone on a dating app right now who seems really cool, but like, I think they're a Disney adult and I need to do like a little more digging to find out whether it's like worth potentially still, you know, like doing a little more research or whether it's just like, uh-uh, we're cutting our losses.

There's a picture at Magic Kingdom. That's too much for me. Okay. Red flag or deal breaker? I'm bringing a little you up onto the show. Red flag or deal breaker. They're perfect in every way, but they, their dream is to have a Disney wedding. At Disney, Disney themed.

Ah, I think they're perfect otherwise. At Disney, I could maybe handle, but Disney themed is a no. Because some of those, like, they have like venues at, Disney that are like pretty tasteful, but like we can't have like Mickey Mouse at the wedding. It's not a character wedding. I think that's fair. I agree with that take. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, like I'm not necessarily like opposed to somebody who is into Disney, but like it can't be the main personality trait for sure. I think that's a, that's a perfectly, um, reasonable stance on that. But we do digress. Thank you. Stay tuned in three years for my character brunch wedding. Oh, my God.

But yeah, no, I definitely think, you know, Jenny brought what she brought to this season. You know, whether you liked it or not, it definitely seems like it was the right call to get rid of her. I am a little, I'm curious to see if Bravo really is going to put their money where their mouth is in terms of, you know, being more careful. with their casting process. I think that's one of those things where we won't really know it's working until it doesn't work. You know, like, we're not going to know how much they combed through people's social media until we find more posts like this in the future. So I think it's kind of like the less we hear about this in the future, theoretically that means it's working, but who knows. Yeah. And I mean, I understand on their end where it's like, it's okay to have someone

who's like conservative on the show or like doesn't have the same. same. Like, it's, it's interesting to have people of different, you know, beliefs or political beliefs or any kind of beliefs, I think, talking to each other on a show and, like, that adds sometimes to, like, the conversation. But there's obviously a slippery slope between, like, having, like, a diverse cast. And I mean, I think Andy Cohen has said this too, like, some, some, some, some franchises are obviously a lot more liberal than others. I would say, like, Orange County historically, like, pretty conservative from what I've, from what I've heard, I'm sure Salt Lake City also has that. But it's really about like finding the fine

line between like someone who like has a different opinion and someone whose opinions are like not okay. Right. I was saying this yesterday that it's like you don't have to, I don't need to see like your whole voting record and like check every box of like agreeing with me. But like sharing memes about like running over protesters with your car is pretty right. That should be that fully falls into like. But yeah, we will see they're already filming season three. There was like a video that came out. Somebody saw Heather and Jen outside of Mary's church, like filming a scene. So who the hell knows what's going to happen?

But I'm very excited to see where it goes. Do you know if they added new cast members or? It seems a little unclear. I think they really just started filming. So, you know, it tends to be a little up in the air. They don't necessarily film group scenes right away. But I've heard like whisperings that there are new people in the mix. And then it's probably still early enough in filming that they could add more if they feel like they need to.

But yeah, I don't know. And, you know, a lot of the time with filming these shows, it can be a little in flux who's going to be full time and who's going to be a friend. So, yeah, I think, I imagine everything is pretty up in the air right now. but we'll see. I guess we'll see. Hopefully they add someone good. I did like, I think you've said this before too, Jenny's daughter was very entertaining to watch.

Yes. Sending all the best vibes to Carlin. Hopefully she has some good influences in her life. Exactly. It's like parents are out of whack. Also, like her dad wants to add in a new sister wife. It's a lot for a kid to deal with, I'm sure. A lot of question marks.

She just wants to build her science. Fair project. Let her be in peace. So good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now and up to 60% off. Stock up and save on the brands you love like Vince, Sam Edelman, frame, and free people. Join the Nordy Club to unlock exclusive discounts, shop new arrivals first and more. Plus, buy online and pick up at your favorite rack store for free. Great brands, great prices. That's why you rack.

Okay, let's get into Summerhouse. We are two episodes into this season. And so far, I think the major headline is what the fuck is happening with Kyle and Amanda. And, you know, knowing what we know now that they are married, they did go through with the wedding, um, these last couple episodes have been pretty, pretty rough to watch. And I'm curious, you know, you're the relationship expert over on your other podcast. So I'm curious to hear your take on what it seems like Kyle and Amanda are going through and how you're processing watching that. I mean, to me, it seems just like pretty clear that they haven't.

I mean, they're going to therapy, which is good, clearly. They mentioned that. But to me, it seems like they haven't addressed the underlying issue, which is the fact that Kyle drinks too much, right? And which the reason behind all these things is that Kyle drinks a lot. And then it causes him to act in a way that is harmful to their relationship. You know, he said he drank so much. And that's why he says he doesn't remember cheating on her. So to me, if I'm the if I'm their couples therapist and I'm not a therapist, I'm like, let's start with that. Let's start with the drinking because like there's no way he can if he's saying I don't remember I cheated on you. I don't remember doing it. And he continues to drink that. much. There's literally like the like the it's like a plus B equals C like you haven't removed the threat to the relationship, which is drinking so much that you don't remember everything. So to me it's kind of like they haven't addressed that. He doesn't seem to be like I should probably drink less. There's no part of him that ever suggests that. So to me they're just they're just avoiding they're sweeping under the rug the

issue at hand. Yeah. It's a little bit jarring to me to see how quick he is every time somebody's sort of puts responsibility on him, how quick he is to bring up, well, Amanda's not perfect either, or Amanda does this, Amanda does that. And I think, you know, there's nothing wrong with acknowledging when both parties, you know, have some work to do. And I think, I'm sure there are times and, you know, instances where Amanda, you know, Amanda breaking all his shit the first night and throwing it out the front door. Was that a mature, healthy way to deal with the situation? Perhaps not. But, But, yeah, like, you're saying that Kyle doesn't seem to be able to make the baseline acknowledgement that, like, we might not be having as many problems if I drank less, or if I

was better at communicating or, you know, these things that seem like sort of common sense in relationship world. And then not even to mention what Amanda said about how there's a signed agreement that if they don't make it down the aisle because of his drinking, that he's. he has to pay her parents back. It's like, that's not normal. Right. That's not how you want to I mean, and I mean, it's like no one's relationship is perfect. I get all couples have things that they work on like actively and you know, like there's no, but both people should be working on themselves. But I agree that when Kyle was saying that, it was like a complete, like, he's just

deflecting any responsibility. And like that's just like kind of a toxic way to fight with someone is to not, because he's not listening to her. He's just like immediately going into his defense mechanisms of like, well, we're all, you know, it's like the Trumpish thing. Like, you know, like there's bad people on both sides. It's like that's, but you're not, by doing that, you're ignoring the actual offense of what you're, how your behavior is like directly implicating someone. He's just completely avoiding that conversation. Yeah. And it's the kind of like toxic attitude where it's like, you're not allowed to bring up anything that I'm doing wrong unless you're perfect. It's like, you know, well, you're not perfect either. So I don't want to hear. about how I'm fucking up. And it's like, you literally might have cheated on her the other night. Like, it's not like, it's not like you're just both being a little annoying. Yeah. And I like how Andy, like, really gave it to him, basically, like, when he was, when he was

on Watch What Happens Live last week. And he was saying, I think he was saying, like, he was like, yeah, it was so that I could have some skin in the game. And Andy's like, skin in the game, like, you're getting married. Like, is that not skin in the game? He's like, financial skin. I'm also like, Kyle, he's almost 40. he's not paying for any of his wedding.

Like, to me, that seems weird. That's a little, like, I, I've obviously, like, wedding finances are different for everyone, but it's like, it seems like they're at the point in life where they would at least be, like, contributing, you know. Right. Like, Kyle could have a kid that's getting married. He's 39 years old. Like, he's not giving any money towards his wedding.

I find that to be a red flag a little bit in itself. And, you know, he have, he and Amanda have multiple streams of income, you know, they seem to be doing well. I see lover boy on the shelves all the time, you know, like, but yeah, and then this episode, they're sort of, you know, drifting their way through this Fourth of July party. Like, they clearly have this big argument that needs to happen, but Amanda is insistent that they're not going to do it this weekend, because, of course, they just want to be respectful to everyone else in the house, which, I mean, the pretty obvious subtext there is, we're not doing this on camera. It's surprising to me that they didn't sort of figure this shit out a little bit more before they started filming for the season.

Because it's like, if there's like obvious issue, A, B, and C that you don't want to talk about on camera, then it's like talk about it before you start filming every weekend. Right. Well, I mean, to me, it's kind of like they haven't fully really talked to. about it ever because they haven't resolved this issue is two years old right or more than that where they've been talking about like the fact that he blacked out and cheated on her so like they clearly have never really resolved it but she did say they had a fight a week before coming on so it clearly was like fresh and maybe like too fresh for them to fully have resolved it but I kind of liked that they were like I liked it because it seemed more real because it didn't seem like

they were like a lot of the times when they fight on the show sometimes I'm like is this a fight made for TV or is this like an actual dilemma and because they were trying to like avoid speaking to each other so they wouldn't be fighting on screen I was like okay this seems like a real fight and when she was crying about it it definitely seemed like a real thing yeah like whereas I feel like the Danielle and Robert argument felt a little bit more like Danielle creating a storyline right it's like I mean clear like okay she wants him to be at home a little more, spend a little more time with her, but it's like, this isn't an issue that actually cropped up today. It's like, you're just... Yeah, you could have talked about this,

like, a different time. Yeah, also, Robert just doesn't seem like the kind of person who really is in the mood to engage on the show. And so it's like, okay, like, this isn't, I don't really think this is going to give what you want it to, but I like them as a couple. I hope that these aren't like major issues. Same. He almost is like the opposite of Brock where he's like, oh, I don't want any. I'm not like trying to like lean into this like TV persona. He like literally gets out of the pool when she starts in with him there because he's like,

I'm not doing this. Which is very good for for life, but not good for TV. He's like, this might be the only weekend I can make it out this summer. And she's like, what the fuck? he's like, yeah, I gotta go. No, I do think they probably have the healthiest relationship out of this house, which, you know, maybe isn't saying much,

but I do want to get your thoughts on Paige's Love Triangle situation that is coming down the pipeline because she clearly, at this point, to me, it seems like she knows that she is more into Craig in a longer term sense, but that when she has Andrea right in front of her, you know, making her pasta with, you know, sauce out of the jar. She can't really help herself from entertaining the idea.

You know what I did think was a little hypocritical about that whole situation is I feel like all of the girls were very anti-Luc for doing this exact same thing to Hannah. A season or two ago, I don't remember which season it was. But do you remember they were like, you're hooking up with Hannah? but then like you have like other people that you're talking to and you're not like fully committing. It's kind of like she's the Luke here. And she's her argument is like kind of exactly the same as his was. Like I didn't say I didn't promise anything and like, yeah, we have fun.

But like I'm also seeing someone else and technically I'm single and I never promised anyone anything else. But I do find it funny that no one sees that like she, that the girls were very angry at Luke for doing this exact same thing a couple seasons ago. Yeah, and, you know, it seems like, I guess because Craig hasn't been to the house yet, they've sort of been able to avoid the reality of the situation, which it looks like next week it's going to get very uncomfortable very quickly. But, you know, I think because the way they started out, you know, she and Andrea in Vermont was very casual. It seemed like he was the one that was more reluctant to commit or really to, you know, start up any kind of. relationship in the first place, it feels like maybe there's a little bit more wiggle room of like Paige and Andrea never seemed like they were going to be a real couple. But it seems like maybe Andrea's feelings about that have changed a little bit that it seems like coming into the

summer he actually is in the mood, you know, Paige says that he asked her stop seeing other people. Yeah. And, you know, it seems like kind of their positions have swapped since since winter, you know, since winter, and that now Paige is kind of in the position where she's like the player a little bit, which is fine, but I do think you're right that it is a little bit of a double standard maybe. Right. I mean, to me, that was like the thing that I saw. And again, I don't think, I don't think Luke was doing anything wrong. And I don't think Paige is technically doing anything wrong either. It's just more like we have to be consistent. Do you know what I mean? In the way that we... In the summer house.

rulebook, is this cool or not? Exactly. I think there should just be like an equal standard for how we're treating those we're hooking up with that everyone has to abide by regardless of gender or like, unless you're obviously Kyle and Amanda and you're like fully about to get married. So cheating bad always, yes. We're getting wedding footage like in the season opener. So I mean, obviously we know where that is headed. And I just hope that when it. finally arrives. We're in a position where we can feel good about it and not like,

girl, you're in danger. I know. And I mean, I do just one last thing on the Amanda Kyle thing is like, I get, they are so intertwined in each other's lives. Like they, they are on this show together. They work together. They live together. They're getting married. Like, they have so much on the line for this relationship. Like, what is there outside of this relationship in their lives? Like, I guess maybe a couple of friends that are not on the show. I don't even know if that those exist. But there's so much riding on this relationship. And I don't think that can be ignored as a reason as a reason for staying together. Girl, winter is so last season. And now Springs got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs. You're thirsty for the sun on

your shoulders. That perfect hang on the patio sundress. Those sandals you can wear all day, and all night. And you've had enough of shopping from your couch. Done hoping it looks anything like the picture when you tear up on that envelope. It's time for a little in-person spring treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. I think that's a good pivot into talking about Vanderpump rules. Because right off the bat in this reunion, James and Raquel break the news that they have called off their engagement.

And obviously, we knew that this was coming. You know, they publicly broke up right after this was. taped. But I was sort of surprised to hear James say that their initial plan and kind of what he wanted to do was to pretend everything was fine at the reunion and just kind of wait a while and he would go to London and then they would kind of just like go their separate ways, I guess, not on camera. And that a big part of that was because this whole season arc was basically shaped around what's going on in James and Raquel's relationship. And I'm sure that is a lot of pressure when you feel like, damn, we just did a whole season of TV built on this, you know, engagement and that we're doing this.

And then all of a sudden it's like, wait, actually, sorry guys. None of that is happening. Totally. It's very embarrassing. I mean, I liken it to like a intensely like amplified version of posting a couple's pick, like saying how much you love the other person and that, you know what I mean? Like those cheesy couples pick. and then you break up like the next week. You look like someone who's just fake.

And this is like that times 100 because it's the whole, it's the whole thing, you know? Yeah. And even within the group, I think for most of us as viewers, the fact that James and Raquel broke up was not like the shock of the century. It's like, okay. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, not. I could have guessed that it might happen at some point. But on the reunion, clearly the rest of the cast is, shocked and sort of confused by it. You know, they were, Raquel was, they were at Disneyland with the rest of them like three days

before this. And, you know, Lisa seems, you know, sort of very confused about what went down and the reasons. And Lala, her first question is just why. And so to me, that makes it feel a little more real. The fact that the rest of the group really does seem to be caught off guard by. the way that this is going down. Totally. And I mean, it was so interesting to me to watch that from a relationship perspective. And to again, to compare it to Kyle and Amanda, like, to me, I was like so I'm not even really like particularly a Raquel fan. Like I don't really like, I wouldn't want to get like

lunch with her. I don't think she'd probably be like a good conversationless. But I was like so proud that she was able calling off an engagement is really, really hard. And kind of embarrassing like you said and there's all this other stuff amplified in it. But to me, it kind of like, like she, it looked like she had a true self-reflection and was like, this is not the life that I want. Like, I don't want to be in this LA life. I don't want to be with this guy who was like pretty emotionally abusive and everyone in my family hates and it's just like kind of not a good person. And I'm going to take a step that is scary to remove myself from this situation. And that's really, really hard to do, especially when you're in the public eye. So I thought I was like so proud of her.

Yeah, I totally agree. She's in the, not only is she in the public eye, but. the entire time she's been on the show, it's always sort of been as an appendage to James. You know, it wasn't even until this season that she was promoted to full time on the show. So, like, her whole sort of trajectory that we've known her has really been as James's girlfriend and then fiancé. And, you know, who knows what's happening with this show after this season and if we'll see Raquel after this. But, you know, she's sort of shedding the only identity that we've ever. gotten from her, which is like James's partner. And for even for somebody as like obtuse as Tom Schwartz to be like, good for you for figuring

this out now. It's like, yeah, she really, she really got her put herself out there. And I think it's going to serve her well in the long run for sure. Totally. And I think she was like very like gracious towards James because like it's clear that he is, she's not saying all the, I mean, she did say they didn't have sex in years, which was bold statement to share casually. But she's not saying the real, I mean, the real, it's kind of like they're going on this.

Like, we're not each other's soulmates thing. Like, that's a very immature way to approach your relationship in general. Like, we're not each other's soulmates. So we're going our separate ways. It's like, no, you are like emotionally abusive and you, you rage texted her calling her a slot and a whore. Like, we're take, we're going to pretend it's because you're not soulmates. Like, that's not looking at the situation in reality. It's a pretty like, sweep all the actual stuff that's happened under the rug. We're just going to say that like, we fell out of love. And it's like, okay, well, sure.

Right. The end result is the same, I guess. But yeah, you know, it all, it feels fitting that sort of the ribbon on this is Raquel giving the ring back. And James says, thank you. That's a Bitcoin. Right. Also, like, yeah, it's so tacky. Like, he's so tacky.

The whole ring thing with the whole part about the ring was so tacky. it made me like, uh, I would cringe. But I do think to segue into the Brock and Sheena thing, I find whenever they would like pan to them when, when either they were talking about Lala's breakup or James's breakup and she was just like looking so smug like we're still to like, do you know what I mean? Like patting his hand. Like you're not like that. You're not like that. Like so high and mighty about this relationship, which clearly is so messed up that it was like really annoying me that she kept making those spaces and doing that thing. When James stormed off for a minute and Sheena is like coaching Raquel being like Raquel,

you deserve so much better. You deserve this perfect man who's going to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like it felt like Sheena talking to herself in the mirror except for that I truly, I truly think Sheena is buying what she's selling herself right now. And I don't think she is self-aware enough to have any kind of realization truly how tough this is of a look to watch because we've seen this whole season on social media. She's been clapping back at tweets about, you know, people really calling out pretty black and white things that have happened on the show that Brock has said, that Brock has done, that are really

just cringe-worthy. There's no other way to put it. And, you know, she's constantly coming up with excuses. Just yesterday, Us Weekly spoke to Sheen. and she, about how Brock put her engagement ring on multiple credit cards, which a lot of people had thoughts on on the show. And this is her quote. Brock thought it would be funny to put a little bit on each card.

He could have put it all on one card, but he was like, oh, I'll put a little bit on this, a little bit on that. People in Australia who get that cheap type of humor thought it was funny. He's like, yeah, I'll always be a cheap ass. I'm always going to ask for a discount. So people who don't get his humor, whatever. It doesn't make you cheap. It makes you like not have enough. It's not bad being cheap. You're still paying for the ring. That doesn't even make any sense. And he, I mean, he himself said something on the show about how he didn't have like good credit in the U.S. yet. And he's, you know, trying to work on that, which is fine. Like plenty of people have. I mean, the whole credit system is like a fucking scam. So it's not anyone's fault necessarily that they don't have, you know, a perfect. credit score, but it's like, it just feels like every single thing that comes up, Sheena has to be

like Brock's crisis PR and is always kind of on the offense when anybody has anything to say about him. And it's like, Sheena, like, love you, girl. Like, I've been on her side for a lot of stuff, but like, we're watching the show. All I can do is watch the show and draw, you know, and draw conclusions based on the literal footage of Brock that I'm seeing. And there's a lot to work with. Exactly. And I mean, like, that's what's so annoying about Sheena because you have, I mean, I think her and Raquel both dating during on the show walking red flags.

Both of them are like very problematic in their own specific ways. But the thing that's more cringy to watch about Sheena is that there's no, there's no giving on anything. And if she would give, I don't care that she's, she can date whoever she wants. if she was like, yeah, like this is, you know, this is something that I obviously isn't ideal about my relationship or like how Raquel is always like, James needs to work on this or James needs to work on that or when he says this, it's not okay. It at least shows she has some sort of a sense of she's not living in a delusional fantasy

and it makes it easier to watch than this whole Brock Sheena situation. I was just going to say, like you can still, even if we're, Kel is making questionable choices, you still have a sense that she's living in the real world and can react in a way that makes sense to things. Whereas somebody did a TikTok that was like comparing Sheena to the line from Euphoria this week where Cassie's like, you can judge me all you want, but I don't care. I've never, ever been happier. And it's like Sheena has to, she has to come so hard with that energy of like everything is personal. How dare you suggest that it's not?

And it's like, at a certain point, it's like, I'm not going to, I'm not going to keep looking out for you if you are so uninterested in looking out for yourself. So totally. I mean, it's her life. Again, like, obviously, like she has a kid. Wish her. Wish her well. But like this is not. No, I don't think anyone is watching this being like, this is totally going to last.

Yeah. Well, we'll see. I don't know. I have, I have mixed. I have mixed feelings about that because it's like, yeah, they do have the kid together. On one level, it seems like Brock makes Sheena really happy. But then also it's like what is truly going on there if we were to peel back some layers. But, you know, it's her life.

Well, it's like anyone who gives Sheena love, she doesn't really seem to have like discerning taste. It's like anyone who says like I love you, I like you, she seems pretty in on. I mean, the way she was with him, like same exact thing as she was with Rob. only Rob was Rob was not like using her as much as Brock is clearly using her. Right. Rob seemed like a real guy

who somehow kind of got sucked into this world for a minute, but then, you know, promptly decided he didn't need to be there anymore. Right. I wonder how Brock's, work out business is going. Homebody, yeah.

Well, I don't know. Begging for an update. We do actually get sort of a, a promising update on Schwartz and Sandys. I was, I felt good about what we saw in that little progress video. It actually looks like a space that has been worked on and that like I can envision kind of what they're doing with it. Sandoval says that maybe it'll be open this spring. So, you know, we're barreling toward February right now. So spring is still, I guess, a couple months away. But, yeah, I mean, I'm interested to see the finish.

product. It looked a little bit like old school Italian restaurant to me in the in progress. Yeah. I mean, when they're like, there's going to be like this booth lowered from the ceiling and like neon fiber optics. I'm not, I can't quite envision how that's all coming together. But it's, it's a far cry from the progress party that they had on the show where there was just no progress. Right. Yeah. I'm interested to see what happens with it. I agree with Katie. I hate the name. But I would go also if I was in L.A. All new drinks are now at McDonald's, with refreshers like the strawberry watermelon refresher and the mango pineapple refresher with popping boba to crafted sodas like the Spriteberry

berry blast with berry flavors and cold foam. Who knew ice cold drinks could be so fire? Try them all now at McDonald's. Refreshers contain caffeine. Copyright 2026. company. Sprite is a registered trademark of the Coca-Cola company. Ready to soundtrack your summer?

With Red Bull Summer All Day Play, you choose a playlist that fits your summer vibe the best. Are you a festival fanatic, a deep end DJ, a road dog, or a trail mixer? Just add a song to your chosen playlist and put your summer on track. Red Bull Summer All Day Play. Red Bull gives you wings. Visit Red Bull.com slash Bright Summer ahead to learn more. See you this summer.

I'm curious in part two of the reunion if we'll get an update on something about her because that was like not mentioned this episode. And they did share on Watch What Happens Live. Last week I think that post breakup, Randall did pull out of the investment that he said he was going to make. So I don't, you know, they have the Instagram up and running, but you know, there's no details or anything. So I'm like, is this happening? When is this happening? what is it actually going to be very unclear. I thought that idea,

I thought that was like for the show. Like I'd never believed that that was like going to be a real place. It seemed like a plot line thing. Because the way they like said they came up, they were like, oh, like she's like, oh,

are you ever going to start that sandwich shop with Schwartz? She's like, oh, maybe I should do it on my own. Like, do you want to do it with me? Like it was very, it almost seemed like very placed into the show. I never really believed that that was a real thing.

Plus, neither of them have ever discussed an interest in, food or sandwiches or like they're both like one was a bartender the other one's a waitress I guess I don't it just seems to me like they don't particularly like each other either you know they seem they're you know obviously Katie and Sandoval have had their big issues but you know I think both Ariana and Katie are very quick to sort of aggressively defend their partners when there's kind of, you know, accusations being thrown or whatever. And it just seems like the kind of thing where, you know, I get why they didn't want to go into business with their significant

others, but maybe the significant others going into business together also isn't the best idea. Right. I totally agree. Like it didn't really make any sense the two of them. Like it would make a lot more sense if she and Stasi, who's not on the show, like, were starting something together when they had that wine, that witches of WeHo wine or something like that. Which, again, I wouldn't really choose any of these people as a business partner, but I think you're, I totally agree. It didn't make any sense, which is another reason why I thought it was sort of just like scripted for the show and then would never actually come to life. And, you know, who knows?

Maybe they'll surprise us. Maybe they won't. I have a feeling it partially depends on whether they get renewed for another season. Definitely. Right. Like if cameras are going up in June, I bet we'll have an update on the sandwich shop. But other than that, I'm not confident. I mean, the annoying thing about all these like business venture things is like,

they make it out to seem like anyone could just start a business. Like it's so easy. Like, oh, we have the idea in episode three. And then it's coming to life in episode six. Like none of these people have any experience or know what the hell they're doing. And like they just make it seem like, oh, you just have an idea. and then it just kind of like, you talk to three people, and then it happens. And that's not how it works. And almost, so this season there was the stuff that was happening with Schwartz and Sandoval needing to secure the money for their bar, and they didn't want to have Lisa involved in it, which.

So I think people were sort of judging them for, you know, are they going to take out their loans? Are they going to refinance their houses? But it's like, that's probably the more realistic depiction of like how people who, are trying to get something off the ground, kind of have to hustle and, you know, pull it together because it's like most people don't just have like $300,000 sitting in the bank to start a bar. Like you kind of have to get creative a little bit. And, you know, I don't know if they're going about it in the, in the most, you know, advisable way. I don't know anything about finances. But like, it seems like they're actually like trying to make it happen and doing what they need to do.

Yeah, I agree. I think that definitely seemed a lot more realistic. What did you, what do you think about the Schwartz, that the Schwartz, the Sandoval, Lisa, sort of like disagreement where he was like, you're, I think, I guess like calling her a hater or like saying that she was like kind of just. Yeah. Well, I think it's a little tricky because I think you, you kind of can't unpack that situation without acknowledging the fact that at this point,

Lisa needs a reason to still exist on the show because other than, I guess, Raquel and Charlie, which like, who cares? Nobody is working for her. She's not any of their boss in a, you know, show context. And, you know, it's a little questionable whether she would really be, like, friends with any of these people. And so I think in a real world context,

I think Lisa did kind of need to mind her own business a little bit more, but I understand why on the show, it's like this is kind of the one scenario where it makes sense that she is going to sort of stick her nose into their business because otherwise, like, what, she's only talking to James and Raquel for the whole season, like that doesn't really work. And, you know, I think these last couple seasons, that's been one of the question marks on the show is like, okay, if it's not still about people who work at Sir, then like, what is Lisa still doing here? Totally.

That's a great point. I didn't even think of that. I definitely agree. Like, she needs something. She always comes in as sort of like a little bit of the voice of reason on this show. Definitely wasn't that on Beverly Hills. But on this show, I think that's sort of like how she like when she says to Sheena like, oh, you're obviously not telling everyone about your engagement now.

Like, and Sheena's like, but I'm going to do it. She's like, no. Like not at all. which was like refreshing to see someone just to tell it, because she's the only person who could say that to Sheena's face without seeming, without like it being a whole thing where Sheena would just back down. Yeah.

I think she's pretty good at that role. Like I think she kind of, she has the history with these people to sort of give them tough love a little bit, which like you were saying, nobody else in the group kind of has the moral high ground to do that. Right. But I think just in terms of maybe moving into the future on this show, if they start to get further and further removed from the idea of it being a show about sir,

it's like, okay, so like, does Lisa still just like pop up randomly? Are we going back to Sir just for no reason? Like, I think that's kind of one of the, one of the issues that they need to kind of figure out if we're moving forward with additional seasons. Totally. I liked when they had the it flashback of Jack saying to Lisa, like, it's my show. And then she was like, it's actually my show. Yeah. And I mean, obviously, that was, it feels like a really long time ago, it was almost two years ago that we were like seeing those episodes. And then Jacks and Brittany kind of got unceremoniously, you know, they weren't, it wasn't, they didn't get fired with that wave of Stasi and Kristen and all of them. but then also they didn't really get a send-off on the show.

So to have Lisa kind of bring that up and it's like, okay, no, like they were, they were fired. Like this is what happened. Like nobody's really kind of trying to like shield them from that sort of looking badness. I mean, Brittany, I guess looks fine. But like everybody on that couch is basically like, yeah, Jacks is like an idiot, L.O.L. I bet they would let Britney come back without Jacks, but she definitely would never do that. like I could see a situation where they would offer Brittany a spot but not him. But I do think it's that part of like that Jack's Lisa scene is like Lisa is a little bit like

you kind of have to kiss the ring a little bit with her. And then I think that was part of the sand of all thing too. It's kind of like I invented you like you're going to listen to my opinion about your bar. Right. It's like I don't need to be. I don't if you don't want me to invest in your new bar, that's fine. it doesn't have to be that kind of relationship, but like, I'm still going to say what I think. And like, because you are on this platform that is my show, even if you don't take my advice,

you're going to listen to it. Right. Totally. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I have mixed feelings about Lisa Vanderpump a lot. You know, I think she has brought us a lot of great moments. And obviously, Vanderpump rules, like, wouldn't exist without her.

But at the same time, she just kind of, like, drives me. nuts sometimes and so I'm like right she needs to be like the head bitch in charge like she cannot and that's why I think she does okay on bander pump because she's good at that role but what happened on like Beverly Hills where everyone was sort of like revolting again like most women who are the same age as you who are in the same like who are starting off as your equals are not cool with like kissing the ring but these people all actually do her owe her their entire livelihoods so totally um okay just really quick. So talking about Lisa Vanderpump,

do you think within the next, let's say, five years, can you envision Lisa Vanderpump returning to Real House Stories of Beverly Hills? I would love to see her back on Beverly Hills. I think that she was a good TV on that show. I think she's like, I mean,

I can understand why everyone else wanted her off because she does make every show about her. But I was entertained by her. And I would kind of like like to see her come in and shake things up a little bit. I think they're, it's funny. I think in Salt Lake City, everyone, no one is like the class does not seem like they're close at all. And in Beverly Hills, I think they're too close. They should be like turning on each other more.

So I would love to see her come in and like facilitate that. Yeah. And I think maybe eventually the stuff with her between Kyle and Doreet could maybe thought enough that they could. maybe do, you know, if they're not going to be besties again, they could at least kind of like have a, have a sit down and talk through things. And I certainly would want there to be cameras present for that. Totally. I'd like to see someone sort of challenge Kyle now as her, because I feel like she is the new queen bee. And I would like to see at least to come in and like make her a little uncomfortable about that. Well, we'll see. I think they're, I think they're finishing up filming for,

so hopefully we'll have a new season coming down the pipeline in the next. few months. But speaking of new seasons coming down the pipeline, Real Housewives of New Jersey is coming back next week. And Jordana, you are going to be back next Wednesday to recap the season premiere. And I'm very excited for it. I'm so excited. Jersey might be my favorite franchise. I'm really, really excited for Jersey. And I'm excited to talk with you about it next week. Amazing. And if you enjoy listening to Jordana on this podcast, don't forget to check out the You Up podcast and the at Betches podcast for for lots more, lots more great Jordana content. Thank you, Dylan.

And don't forget to rate review and follow this show wherever you listen. You can follow us on Instagram at Bravo by Betches. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Mention It All is produced by Sean Kilby and Jorge Morales Pico. Editing by Sean Kildi. Social media by Dylan Hafer. guest booking by Nicole Pellegrino.

Be sure to follow at Bravo by Betches on Instagram and Twitter. Yamava Resort and Casino at San Manuel is California's number one entertainment destination for today's superstars. Catch the Jonas Brothers return to the Yamava Theater stage on April 30th, the powerful vocals of Demi Levato on May 17th, and the signature Southern Country Rock of Eric Church on July 19th. Tickets on sale now at Yamavatheater.com. only a Yamava resort and casino, celebrating its 40th anniversary. You in? Must be 21 to enter.

Betches.