Mention It All - Jennie Nguyen Is Problematic AF Ft. Samantha Bush (Vanderpump Rules Finale)

Episode Date: January 19, 2022

Dylan is joined by Samantha Bush (AKA Bravo Historian) for a busy day of Bravo news. They unpack the controversy surrounding Jennie Nguyen’s resurfaced Facebook posts, and discuss how her potential firing would affect RHOSLC. Next, they share their thoughts on this season of Vanderpump Rules after the finale. Later, Sam gives her takes on what should happen with the future of VPR. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer. And today I am joined by a guest. I'm very excited to welcome back to the podcast. You know her as a writer girl with the dip. She's the host of the shortcomings and Hot Off the Mess Podcasts. And of course, you know her iconic. Instagram account, Bravo Historian. Please welcome Sam Bush. Hi. Hi, how are you? I am great. It's been a minute since we

since we really had a chance to catch up and talk shit and I'm very excited. I'm so excited. Like, and what a day to do it because we woke up this morning. I invited you on the show mainly to discuss the Vanderpump rule season finale, which I know we both have thoughts on. So we will get to it. But we have some more pressing matters to attend to. And that is the fact that overnight, I would say, Jenny Wins' Facebook posts were spread across the internet. And it is a treasure trove of garbage. Hot garbage.

There's a lot of anti-Black Lives Matter stuff. You might say copaganda, other racist stuff, anti-vax. I think there's some Islamophobia sprinkled in there. It is really just a grab bag of talking points that are rough.

She is a menace. And I think what makes it all, I mean, it's all really bad, but then when you layer it on top of her storyline coming for Mary this season, it just like, it just

it's not good. It's really not good. And I woke up this morning. I went on Twitter, you know, open my eyes. You know, the birds were chirping. And I saw all of this. And I couldn't believe it. Yeah. I was up a little later than I should have been last night.

I was having trouble falling asleep. So I started watching Tenet at like 1 a.m. Which is just like bad, bad move on my part. But I saw like one tweet before I fell asleep. And I was just like, this is a problem for tomorrow. And then it certainly was because when I woke up, it was everywhere. And a lot of people, unsurprisingly, are calling for her to be fired, which, you know, they're between season two and season three right now. So if somebody was going to be fired, this would kind of be the perfect time.

We haven't really heard anything about contracts going out for season three yet. It's just rough because if we're assuming that Mary Cosby isn't coming back for next season, which I've, I mean, like, whatever, People are, there's a rumor mill going, but let's just say she's not. Yeah. If we also fire Jenny, because it seems like, you know, she kind of doesn't deserve to be on TV. Yeah. All of a sudden, it's like, okay, so we have some pieces to pick up for season three then because, you know, just losing Mary, it's like, okay, you know, you still have your, you're six people. But if you're, if you're losing multiple housewives, that's going to be a little more of a puzzle to put together.

100% and like, you know, I don't know about you, but I don't think the the mountains of Salt Lake City are littered with stars. Like, housewives stardom. Like, I don't see that. I mean, I could be wrong. Yeah. And I think we've seen, you know, Utah is a pretty conservative place generally. And while there's nothing wrong with having differing political opinions with someone, we've seen some other. characters on this show, Miss Sarah, who stormed the Capitol last year.

I was wondering if you were going to bring that up. I was like, oh, is it coming? It makes me nervous because I feel like Bravo shed, whoever is doing the casting for this show hasn't really exhibited that they can sift through the bullshit and pick people who aren't going to be problematic. So it's like, you know, on one hand, it's like, you know, fire Jenny now, sure. But like she posted these things on Facebook like three months before she got cast on housewives.

And my thing is is like if you're going on housewives, for example, or really any show, don't you think that like you would hire a PR person and maybe have them be like, ooh, you need to take this shit down? Like I just don't get it. I don't understand this. And I don't know like, will Lisa say something? because Lisa's the one that brought her on the show. Right.

I mean, I always feel like that social media thing is kind of the million dollar question. Whenever people get exposed for stuff, it's like, how did you not have your ducks more in a row? But all of this stuff that Jenny posted and the fact that it's so recent in the grand scheme of things makes me think and feel pretty confident that she doesn't actually have an issue with any of these things. Like she doesn't see this as something that is problematic. And I have a feeling, you know, we're recording this at 10 a.m. on Wednesday. She hasn't addressed any of this yet. But I have a feeling if and when she does, it's going to be sort of a defensive tone of like, these are my, like, I'm allowed to have my opinions and they're trying to cancel me.

I have a feeling she's going, if anything, she's going to go in sort of that Kelly Dodd direction of like, these sickos are trying to cancel me for having free thinking. And, you know, I... Yeah. No, anyone that poses with an assault rifle with a hat that says, I love haters, is giving Kelly Dodd. And I don't enjoy that. And so I'm just waiting for her to double down on it and just or give like some weird ass, like, apology slash non-apology. It's just going to be not good.

And it's, I'm dreading it. Right. And I almost feel like, you know, it's... In this kind of situation, Jenny's only been on the show for one season. It's almost like just cut your losses and, you know, set her loose now. And then honestly, after the next, after the reunion's done airing, we'll never hear from her again. And that's probably okay. No, and if I never have to see Dewey again, I will count my blessings.

I hate Dewey. Mostly I would just miss Carlin, but like, honestly, cute housewives kids are at a dozen these days. Yeah. No, really. Like Nicole over in House, Real House of Miami has the cutest get ever. Grayson, are you getting adorable? I love my.

What are your thoughts on Miami quickly, by the way, before we get into the Miami. Miami is the best show on television. Yeah, you're loving it like that? Obsessed. Obsessed. I am deeply obsessed with all of them equally. I love the way that they look.

I love how glowy everyone is at like the production of it all. I'm just like, I'm, every Thursday, I'm thrilled to watch it. Like, I'm so excited. Yeah, it's funny because we, like, we record the show on Thursdays and we, you know, we recap Miami. And so, like, I've had to watch it basically when I wake up every week and I don't even mind. No, same. Like, I have it with my coffee.

There's always that thing of like if I don't feel like watching a show when it's on at night and then I have to watch it the next morning. I'm kind of like, okay, it's time to watch Vanderpump Rules at 10 a.m. But Miami, it's a vibe. It's a vibe. And, like, they just set the tone for the day. Like, they have such a good energy. And I mean, Alexia is like, I can't even wrap my head around all the things that she's got going on.

But I just, I'm obsessed. She really feels like the central figure of this reboot in a way that I don't think, I don't think the original three seasons really had a central figure. Like, it kind of always felt like. a friend group, like a pretty natural group for the most part. And like this reboot, I think the group still works well together, but it definitely feels more like Alexia is kind of the like center. Yeah. Yeah, of the of the thing. And I think she's a great person to carry that responsibility. And honestly, what kind of like gives me a side of relief is that I really think that they all have the money that they say that they do. And that just, you know, I sleepies. I.

sleep well at night knowing that because I can't handle some more tax fraud situations. I can't handle a Casita. I want a $40 million house with a private job. You know? Okay. You know what? I was, I feel like every week I am seeing new things in Nicole's life that give me more questions about who is this woman, who are her parents, what is Anthony's deal?

Does he come from money? because, you know, it's one thing to have like a nice house, nice clothes, a nice car, whatever. This woman is flying in a private jet to brunch. She's driving a Rolls-Royce SUV. She has like a row of Birkins in the closet. Like when she says like, oh, I'm Dr. Nicole. I'm an anesthesiologist. It's like, oh, you probably make nice money.

It's like, no, that's not where the money is coming from. No. And like, I don't know what kind of law he does. I know he's an attorney. but like it's the way that she just lives so casually in her luxurious life is something I find to be deeply aspirational. It's never like making it. It's not like Lala like when she would get on the private claim.

She's literally like, oh yeah, we're just going to brunch. It's not a big. She's like, yeah, it's convenient. It's convenient that Anthony's a pilot and we have a chat because we're foodies and we get to go to brunch. We're foodies. When she keeps saying that, I was like, you don't have to keep saying that. She said foodies at least 12 times on the season because, you know, we're going to sushi because we're foodies. Yeah.

I'm like, okay. Like, you can just say that you want to get on the plane. And also what I really love is that like they all have all of this money. But you never do like, they don't do like shitty closet tours. Like I don't like it's just who they are. Like they just live this really glamorous life and I just, I love it. Lisa's closet with the mechanic arm that comes down with the second row of clothes, that really stresses me out, I got to say. I just, I can't even wrap my head around having that many clothes because I am such like an anti-clutter type of person.

Like, I just don't like having a lot of stuff. So, like, all of that just like really gives anxiety, but I love to watch it. Yeah, I mean, it's deeply impractical, but I... Very. I love it for her. But it's Lisa. Lisa is something else. Lisa has a heart of gold.

I guess. You don't think? I find Lisa to be like, I did have to laugh last week. She did post on Twitter because people were giving her a hard time about her marriage, obviously, to Lenny. And she was like, we joke with each other all the time. I was being sarcastic about not knowing his age. I'm like, no, you weren't.

You didn't know how your husband was. It's okay. Just say that. Yeah. Like, your marriage doesn't have to be what everybody else wants it to be. No, it's not. It's working for them. Yeah.

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let's get into the Vanderpump Rules of It All. This was the season finale. Before we discussed the episode in particular, give me a little bullet points of how you have felt watching this season as a whole. Number one, I have to say the Lala hate, I just, I honestly, I have a really hard time understanding it because people are like, why would she bring this up to Sheena then?

Why would she bring this up to James then? I'm like, because she's on a fucking television show and there is nothing else going on. So of course she's going to talk shit on camera. Of course she's going to say all these things. Like, I just don't understand like what people want. I'm like, you get mad when there's no drama and then you get mad when there is drama. So it's like, without her, what? would we really be watching this season? The season was tough. Yeah, I really wanted to be on board

with this season. You know, I was excited to see kind of how they retooled it after we lost so many people. And I think there were some promising pieces of the puzzle. I never thought it was going to be an incredible season, but I was kind of ready to enjoy it with not a lot of strings attached. I was ready to embrace the new energy that they were bringing. But I, there was like you said there were there were bright spots like there were moments where I was like oh this is good but overall I'm like I found myself like disengaging and what you were saying with Lala I think I agree that I think a lot of the hate toward her was unwarranted because yes she was being messy but we're in the context of vanderpump rules like what do you think is supposed to

happen and I think in she sort of had the role this season of playing producer a little bit and being a little bit of a bone carrier and, you know, what have you. And I think that is a tricky role because it only really works when the rest of the cast plays along. And I think Lala sort of fell victim to the fact that everyone around her was like, why are you doing this? Why are you being messy? What's happening?

And they weren't sort of playing along with the narrative that she was trying to guide. And, you know, it's hard. Like with somebody like Tamara on Orange County for so many years, she was able to sort of successfully play a producer. And that's in Dave Quinn's book, Nautil Haswives and Rose. They kind of talk about how Tamara was great at that. But also,

she had a cast around her that was kind of always willing to play ball. Right. And I think part of the thing with Vanderpump rules is that it's like, it seems like a lot of people want to kind of just stick around for the check, but don't really want to allow themselves to go to that place where we've gotten really entertaining seasons in the past. And so I think it's hard because, like, you know, Katie is willing to argue with Sandoval, but she clearly doesn't want to actually be like messy on the show.

She's just going to argue. And then it's over. And, you know, she's not going to get sloppy and drunk like she has in the past, which, I mean, I'm not saying anybody needs to get drunk, but like sloppy would be nice. Yeah. I agree with you. Like, it just didn't. And also what I don't think helps matters is like,

this is clearly a Ariana and Tom centered group. And Lala kind of abandoned that ship and kind of went more the Stasi Kristen Katie route. So I don't think the group was like very welcoming to her to have her come back and be like, oh, now you want to be our friend. like now that all of your besties are fired and then you're going to try to throw us under the bus. Like, but she had to do a job. And she tried her best.

And I applaud her for that. I also think this idea that people on the internet like want to protect Sheena so badly. And I'm like, Sheena is a goddamn disaster. Sheena, like I find Sheena to be so tough. And it's like she's best. the same person for nine years.

Like there has been no growth. Nothing. She had a baby. And like she's still acting up. I actually had this thought last night because watching the episode, I mean, obviously the red flags with Brock are just, you know, everywhere you look, there's more. They're waving and they're loud. I mean, right.

They're flapping in the wind. They're flapping. You can hear the like chain is rattling on the flagpole that you can hear. a mile away. But the thing, so that I feel like the impulse watching this play out is like, oh, protect Sheena. Sheena is, you know, don't do this girl. We want to save you.

And I had to stop myself for a second because I'm like, I don't feel the need to expend my stress, my worry, whatever on somebody who is exhibiting such a disregard for the reality of the situation and has gone down this path before and has been hurt before and is a grown ass woman who's like 36 years old and like you said literally has a child to take care of. And, you know, I guess I wish Gina and Brock the best in their relationship. Like I don't wish, have like ill will toward them. Like I would love for Sheena to be happy forever, but I don't see that happening. It's, I can't spend that much time thinking about it because clearly she doesn't care.

No. She's going to go down this path. And it's funny because on this episode, we see Lisa talking to James and Raquel. And Lisa's like, well, at this point, you're going to get married. No match a lot and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And obviously that aged like rotten fucking milk. But really, Sheena is the one who fits that criteria because clearly Sheena has decided that this is her dream man. all evidence be damned.

And I'm like, okay, go off, get married, whatever. Like, do you. I'm glad you signed a pre-up, but like, I don't really, I'm out of, like, care. I just don't think Sheena is capable of digging deep. I don't think she's capable of, like, looking inwards and, like, really assessing the situation because she just, she just cares about appearances and how everything looks. I mean, when she announced her engagement to the group, she said her ring is huge. I was like, that's, it's a fucking weird thing to say.

Don't say a shit like that. Also, he proposed to you on a balcony. Also, he had, you know, he wanted Randall to pay for it. Like, just weird fucking vibes. And I'm going to say something about Brock. He doesn't come across kind. Like, I don't think Brock is a kind soul. I don't think that there is a softness in him.

I think he's really nasty. And I've always kind of thought that. I know that this might sound harsh. But when he put the ring on Sheena's finger at the engagement party and he had it with it. Like it just was like so gross. Like it just, I don't know. There's something so vindictive and nasty about it to me that I just don't enjoy watching. And I mean, like, the fact that he hates Shana's mom is weird.

That is super weird. The whole thing is weird. I think he's nasty. Erica deserves better treatment for sure while she's providing all this free child care. Yeah. But what you were just saying, I totally think you're right. And it makes me think of, you know, the term love bombing. Oh, yes.

So we've seen on New Jersey a lot of talk about how Louie is a love bomb. And it's where you like, yes, my mind went to Brooks marks. And I'm like, okay, work. And then I'm like, Vicki and Brooks. Vicki and Brooks. But so basically it's where you like win somebody's affection by like oversaturating them with love and then you withdraw it at some point and pull the rug. But I think it's so interesting because I don't think Brock is doing that. But Sheena is still almost reacting like he is. Like she is giving me Teresa vibes almost where she's like, I love my man. This is my dream. We're so happy.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But watching Brock's behavior on the show, it's like, what is he actually doing for her? Nothing. It's clear during that proposal. And then while he says his plan for the secret wedding, it's so clear to me that Sheena is like gritting her teeth, trying not to look upset because it's not what she wants. And I don't care. I'm sorry, Sheena can talk all day about how she doesn't want a big wedding because she's done this before and she doesn't need that and she doesn't care.

And all she wants is to be married to her man. And I'm like, I don't buy it. I don't see. I mean, if that was what she wanted, I would be happy for her. But I don't believe that that's what she wants. I don't think it's what she wants either. And I just. So I rewatch a lot of Vanderpump rules very often.

And so I just did my most recent like 17 3 watch. And I mean, at she at like she always doubles down in front of people about the relationship. And I feel like when Sheena starts doing that, you really need to think and be like, wow, this is really bad. She's really unhappy. Because when she was talking to Lisa Vanderpump at Katie and Tom's wedding about how her and she are so in love, they've never been better, she's like, I feel like we love each other more than we. did when we first met, blah, blah, blah. Okay? Wasn't that? They literally got divorced like four months later.

I was going to say the reunion for that season was when they were getting divorced. Yes. And like the thing of- And then the next season she was with Rob. Yes. And Rob was the love of her life. Rob was the love of her life. Yeah.

And then she bought Adam that penguin. Like it's just weird. Sheena just wants to be loved. And I totally get that. But like, be honest. And like, she's not being honest. Right. I think Sheena screams to me.

She's the kind of person who needs to, like, take two full years off of any kind of relationship game. Like, wait until your daughter is, like, school age until you start dating again. And, like, get yourself. As Teresa would say to the cameo person who had chlamydia, get yourself good. That was such a good. And then get yourself good. and then, you know, go on some dates. It always feels like it's like some guy is sweeping her off her feet and he's the love of

her life. And it's like, just go on a date. Like, get a drink with somebody from Raya. Yeah. And I know the men out there, they are garbage. Like, not every man is sweeping off your feet. Trust and believe. I went on a date like a few weeks ago and he told me he went to jail before for two months.

I was like, ooh. Did you get any details or was it just like? I did. But you know what? I had a lot of wine that night. So I don't really remember. the details for her. But that's just my truth.

And so I'm just like, Sheena, come on. But then you know what? It's really annoying is like everyone is coming at Lala. I'm not like a Lala stand. I really don't know why I'm like writing so hard for her today. I just feel like I just feel like she's in such a vulnerable place with this whole Randall situation. But the one thing I have to say is watching all of this back, knowing where we are now.

When she talks about Randall, I was like, oh, girl. Mm-hmm. Girl, winter is so last season. And now Springs got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs. You're thirsty for the sun on your shoulders. That perfect hang on the patio sundress. Those sandals you can wear all day and all night.

And you've had enough of shopping from your couch. Done hoping it looks anything like the picture when you tear up on that envelope. It's time for a little in-person spring treat. It's time for a trip to rock. work your magic. I haven't had issues with a lot of Flala's behavior this season because I think she's kind of been the driving force for a lot of the conflict, which we need. Right.

But watching it, knowing what we know now, it's hard because she does have such a high horse attitude and is very holier than now about her relationship and, you know, her man and how they handle the finances and all this stuff. And like, it just is, it's hard to watch and not. in like a it's hard but I love it kind of way. Yeah. And I mean, similarly,

so much of this season has revolved around James and Raquel's relationship. And I think that's part of, I think the season would have been a little more compelling if it didn't feel like all of the stakes from these conversations have been removed because we know they don't stay together. So it's like if they were having these tough moments with each other, but we know that they're going to push through and get married, then it feels like it was worth it.

you're like working towards something. But I'm like, oh, like they're having these conversations and then they broke up like two months later. Right. So. It's basically the polar opposite of what's going on in Summer House. Like they're having these tough moments. They're having these horrible situations take place. But then you know that they get married.

With this, it's like, how am I supposed to be invested in a relationship? I don't care about. Like, and I've said it on my podcast before, like, I don't think Charlie is bad for the show. I don't think Raquel is bad for the show, but I don't care about them. Like, I hope that they do well in life. I hope that they succeed in whatever they want. But I haven't been watching them for 10 years. Like I watched Katie or Ariana or, you know, I mean, God forbid, Jacks.

Charlie actually is tough for me because I really enjoyed her presence last season. I thought she was kind of the bright spot out of the new crop of people. And so I was excited when I heard that they had made her. her full time this season because I was like, okay, like she's somebody who, if we're really going in a new direction, I could see her being a great personality on the show. But it really feels like they kept her in the exact same slot that she was in last season where she's like at the group events, makes a couple funny comments, maybe gets involved in a little bit of group drama, but she has no personal storyline really. They're not, they're clearly not making an effort

to sort of build the show around her. And, you know, I think sort of same with Raquel. She really only still matters on the show as it pertains to her relationship with James. And so I don't feel like they've really, they haven't actually tried to shift the focus of the show onto these new people at all. They're, like you were saying, they've mainly moved it to Tom and Ariana and their stuff with Katie and Tom Schwartz. Like the kind of, they haven't really like moved it to the new generation.

They've just kind of like added those people on the fringe. Yeah. There's a part of me that feels like maybe it's, I think a lot of to a lot of the blame should be put on the producers. Like I don't think that they probably did the best job that they could have because I think for so long you really could, this was a group that you could just throw a camera up and like shit would just happen. Mm-hmm.

You know, I think when you start relying on theme parties and pickleball, we really got to evaluate what the fuck's going on. And I mean, I've even heard like, Ariana and Twitter be like, they're not showing a lot of like conversations that we've had, like, you know, confrontations. She's like, I don't know, like, what is going on. Yeah. And I, you know, and then, oh, God, the conversation with Raquel and her dad was so tough. like where he was like, I didn't give you my blessing.

I said this is pine. Like, that was so... Raquel also has never looked better. I got to say. The short hair really works for her. Raquel is gorgeous. Also have to side note, Miss Jacqueline Georgiou, James's mother looks gorgeous as well.

She looks great this episode. Love to see her thriving. Love. And I love the flashback of London Gangsta. That's my favorite. Yeah. But no, like, Raquel, the way her family feels about James, it has kind of been this bubbling undercurrent for this whole, for the last, you know, few seasons, honestly. And like, it's, you know, when you're watching the show, it's like, oh, like, you want them to sort of be like welcoming to James.

And it's like, James, you know, he got sober. He's making all this effort, whatever. but then now that we know they're broken up, it's like, yeah, like, I mean, they were probably right. And, you know, now they probably are like, well, good thing. He wasn't like our son because Raquel is really hurt now. And like, whatever. I just like, I do want the world for Raquel. Yeah.

And I hope she's okay. And I think she will be okay. But watching, oh my God, watching him like feed her the speech line by line from inside the balcony. I was like, this is hell. I hated it. It's just is weird because it's like, people are like, James is controlling. And Raquel's like, no, he's not. He doesn't control me.

He doesn't tell me what to say. And then the one time where she has this opportunity to go up and make this speech, he's literally telling her exactly what to say. Yeah. I don't, okay, fear of public speaking is real. I get it. But like, why wouldn't Raquel just take like a little note card onto the balcony? Or why on the balcony?

Why do you have to make it this thing? Like just do it on the ground. It was so dramatic. Like she's like like like, like you're making it this big deal. Buckingham Palace like giving her like declaration. It was giving. You could just like raise a glass and say something.

Yeah. Like thank you all for coming. Love you. Like bye. You know, it was weird. And then of course, you know,

she was on Sheena's shenanigans podcast. And, um, yeah. And so she was talking a little bit about her breakup with James. And the things she was. was saying was very alarming, like, about their relationship and, like, how she felt that she had to have, like, a safe exit strategy. And, like, there was a lot of, like, alluding to certain behaviors. And I think that we got that this season, you know, with the whole, like, weird bump on the nose kiss situation and how they handled that was wild. Right. But, like, I just felt like there, there is real things going on with each of them, like, drama. wise, but none of them want to go there.

Like, none of them want to put it all out there anymore. I think that they've gotten, like, a little, like, protective. And it's like, I wish Raquel, like, was a more honest. But I get that that was probably really hard. So I don't know. I mean, who the fuck I had to judge. Yeah. And I think it's, it's tough because when she came on to the show and when she's, you know, been promoted onto, you know, the cast and full time and whatever, it's always

sort of been on the terms of her relationship with Jane. that it's like, I feel like kind of the assumption has always been, okay, Raquel wouldn't be here if it wasn't, if she wasn't dating James. And so like her spot on the show is kind of a little tenuous because, or at least it was before. I don't know going if there's a next season. I feel like her spot might be a little more secure now. Do you think that Vanderpump is going to come back? I honestly, like, have no idea. I, in my.

In my heart, I'm like, no, don't do it. Nobody needs that. Nobody, I don't think anybody really wants that. I think some of the cast members could potentially work in another format at some point. Maybe not right now. But in my head, I'm like, I'm like, I'm doing like the mental math. And I'm like, honestly, they probably will. Dylan, I have a confession.

Yes. I can't believe I'm admitting this. Do you want another season? I do and I would love Jackson, Brittany, to come back. A hot take. Oh, my gosh. Listen, I need to see Jacks as a dad. Like, I need to see him with Britney again.

Like, I need their drama back on the show. I want a sit-down with Tom Sandoval and Jacks. I want, you know, I think that there, I don't know that sounds terrible. I get that he's a monster, but he's a great reality TV star. And I would love to see Brittany and him fight about moving to Kentucky or Florida or whatever the fuck because they did an interview a couple months ago. And the tension in this interview was so you could cut it with a night. He was like, I'm taking my kid.

We're leaving. I can't live here. And she was like, well, I think we should have that discussion. Like, it was so tense and awkward. And I'm like, I miss that dynamic. Like, I miss hating him. I miss it. I could be down to that.

And I'd also love to see Lala and like the baby's playing together. I would want them. I would want them to pay him in like hockey tickets or something because I don't want him to be getting a check from Bravo. Like those days. I need him to be getting like, you know, a punch card like subway punch cards. Like I need a free $5 foot long every time he, every day he films. That's enough. I don't know if a foot long is still $5.

It probably isn't. It never was. That is like such an interesting proposition because as much as I dislike Jacks and that is a lot, I do think there is something to the idea that like those are the relationship dynamics that would be most likely to give us a compelling season. I'm like even, I mean, I almost feel like there's always a lot of chatter of like, bring. Stasi back, bring whatever back. And like I don't, I almost feel like that ship has sailed a little bit. Yeah, I don't need them back. Even aside from, even aside from the question of like, is Stasi problematic?

Is it, would it be like wrong to bring her back? Like that aside, because that's a whole can of worms. Yeah. I don't know if it really would like feel like it made sense for her to be on Vanderpump rules right now. I feel like she's kind of living her life. Whereas Jackson Brittany, I think, are still at least perceived to be in this state of, like, chaos. Yeah, like they haven't moved on from it.

You know what I mean? Like, Stasi, I feel like is doing her own thing. She dresses her baby in weird Victorian era outfits. It's she's just living her life. Right. Like, I wouldn't be mad about seeing Jackson, Brittany, like, argue about money. Oh, I would love it. Give it to me.

Because that brings up the question. question, and I want to know your opinion on this is there's always a lot of, you know, talk online about fire this person, get rid of this person, because you hate them. And I'm like, don't you want to see people that you hate on TV? Like, I don't want to see inherently evil people, like Kelly Dodd, who I just think is an actually really bad person. But like Durinda, like she is chaotic and a horror, you know, does, says mean things sometimes. but she's great television, Jacks as well. I want to see it.

I want to see him watch, you know, friends the night of his rehearsal dinner at his wedding. All new drinks are now at McDonald's with refreshers like the strawberry watermelon refresher and the mango pineapple refresher with popping boba to crafted sodas like the Sprite Berry Blast with berry flavors and cold foam. Who knew ice cold drinks could be so.

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And so it makes me wonder, you know, I mean, okay, do you think Schwartz and Sandys is a real thing that is going to happen at some point in 2022. I was going to, I was like waiting. I was like for when? I hope so. I think, oh, God. I just think Standoval, as passionate as he is and how creative he is,

I think he's probably a very difficult person to work with. And I feel like the joy that he had in telling Tom that he could cover his part of the, you know, deposit or whatever the fuck it was because he wanted to own more of it. I was like, that seems icky to me. I'm like, Schwartz, you endanger girl. Yeah, like Schwartz, baby. Like, Katie, as I don't understand the hate Katie get sometimes. Like, she genuinely is like, this is insane. Like, you can't take credit for everything Schwartz has ever done. Like, Schwartz is his own. He brings his own stick to the Tom Tom thing. I think Lisa is a little bit of a hater.

And I am very, did I miss this? I'm very confused. The something about her sandwich shop. Is Randall still funding that? What's going on? I don't think we know at this moment because obviously it was. It was revealed on the finale that he wanted to invest 150K. But the, I mean, the moment that came out of their mouths, I was like, is this still happening?

Because I could totally see when Randall and Lala called it quits if he was kind of like, yeah, we never actually did the paperwork for that. And like, I'm not being involved with any of these people anymore. Because I mean, in a way, like, I think Randall is skeezy as hell. But like, I wouldn't really blame him. Oh, no. 100% I wouldn't. And I also feel like Lala would probably be upset that they would even be in business with this ban. That's true.

And also, if there is another season of Vanderpump rules, you can assume that this something about her is going to be a storyline. And it's like, I don't, like, we don't really need Randall to be like lurking around the edges of Vanderpump rules. Like, no. One of the most interesting parts of another season would be Lala kind of navigating post relationship life. I need, I need her and James to get back together. I need that to happen immediately. that is something I see written in the stars. They are soulmates, loves of each other's lives.

They're both sober, single, and ready to lean on each other's shoulders, you know, be a shoulder to cry on. And I think that that's a really beautiful thing. And I am rooting for them. And I think that they could save Vanderpumphal's. Okay. I really have a lot of opinions today. I've had like four cups of coffee, Dylan.

And I, you're like, you're, you are like the biggest now proponent of like another season of Vanderpump rules. Like they're going to. Am I advocating for another, for season 10? You're four more years. Literally. I'm like, wow. I didn't, you know, and coming onto this podcast today, I didn't know that that's how I would feel. But as I've talked about it, I'm like, it's like, it truly is like therapy.

You're like working through your feelings and coming to a conclusion that's actionable because now you can start emailing everyone at Bravo. then there needs to be another season of Vanderpump rules. I'll get on the ground with a camera. I don't give a shit. Are you kidding? I have an iPhone. I can shoot season 10. You, you absolutely, we would love a shot on iPhone.

Yeah. It was like half of Orange County last season, so. Oh my God. Yeah. Nightmare. Okay. So before, before we finish up, I want to talk about the reunion briefly. It's going to be a two-parter that airing on back-to-back nights, which is like,

They want this shit done as fast as possible. Yes. What is this format where half the people are virtual at the reunion? I would, when the trailer came out, I'm like, not this. I heard rumors, allegedly. I'm covering all my bases that Lala and Katie and Tom were exposed to COVID via Disneyland with Stasi. Because Stasi does not have going to Disneyland. I love that.

How many pairs of mini mouse ears do you think Stacey has to? She has like a whole drawer. She has a whole, you know, she has a drawer. And you know that, like, some are, like, spooky and, like, gothic. She probably has, like, a skeleton mini mouse ear, like, you know. And those are expensive. Oh, very. Like, the basic ears are, like...

Disney is expensive. The basic ears are, like, not cheap. And then when you have the, like, special occasion ones, those are, like... It's like a Jojo C. Wabot. Like, it's very pricey. I... You know, I'm ready for the reunion. I...

I'm... Because I'm also ready to just, like, wrap it. up. But now that I feel like there's so many big things happening in their lives, like, in real time and like, get that camera up, let's go. I don't know what to expect. I feel like they're all just like over Lala and just like, why are you saying that you would want us to tell you? Like, imagine if they ever tried to tell her about Randall. She would kill them. Yeah, I think that's the problem. Like, I am interested to watch the reunion because there have been a lot of developments since they filmed the season. Like obviously James and Raquel, Lala, and Randall, I'm, I'm intrigued to see

how Sheena and Brock respond to sort of their reception this season. But with Lala, it's tough because like you were saying earlier, she kind of is on the outs of the whole group right now with the exception of Katie. And so like- And Katie's not really like in with that group that much. Exactly. And so I think like her having this kind of emotional reunion. segment where she's talking about the breakdown of her relationship. Like, I don't think it's going to hit quite as hard as it would be if, like, she had a couch full of supportive people. And so, you know, I think it, like, I'm interested to see what she says,

but I also think it's going to be kind of awkward. Yeah. And I mean, I listened to her podcast, give them all. And she was talking about the reunion and she was like, I was so hurt by how no one after the reunion reached out to me except for Raquel to be like, I'm really sorry that this is like what you're going through. Because she's like, at the end of the day, no matter what, these people are still people in my life and I care about them no matter what we go through.

And she's like, so for me to have this life altering situation and no one to even really care, she's like, I'm devastated. But I'm like, girl, you kind of did that to yourself. But then also I'm like, they should have reached out. It's complicated. And then it sort of all calls back to when Sheena had her miscarriage and her. her big issue with Lala was that she said she wasn't there for her the way she needed her to be. And like, I mean, Lala's defense to that was like, well, I mean, I was there for you.

It just wasn't the way that you wanted, but I didn't know that that was not what you wanted. Right. Right. And so, you know, it kind of all is like one, you know, vicious cycle of like, we're friends, but we're not really friends, but we're in each other's lives, but we don't actually like each other, but where does the line fall between being a good human and actually being friends with someone, you know, it's tricky. And Barack, of course, coming in too hot. Like, calm down, bro. Like, I just think sometimes on these shows like men should be seen and not heard. And like, he's one of, he's that for me. Like, it's a lot. Yeah. I was thinking, I was thinking last night that it's, it was kind of surprising to me when they announced

this season that Brock was joining full time because he had never been on the show. before. Ever. Like, we've never even met him. And in the past, sometimes when people have kind of joined the show as like somebody's significant other, you know, it took Raquel like four seasons to be full time. This is her first season as a full-time cast member. And, you know, when Ariana first came on the show, she was kind of on the periphery at first. Brittany. You know, like Sheena's partners in the past have never been official cast members. And yeah, Brittany is a good example too. And, And so I'm kind of like, that was surprising. But then he obviously was really involved in the drama this season.

But then on like galaxy brain level, I'm like, he got involved in the drama because he wanted to be full time because he needed a check. Like at the end of the day, it all comes back to Brock being kind of like a scammer, a nightmare. I don't know if a scammer is like the right word, but like a grifter. Scammy. I feel like he's scammy. he's very he's giving joanne the scammer he's giving he's just i just i never got goodfied from him and dylan i say this story all the time at bravo con i will never ever forget he was on the balcony to my left randall kroy beerman who i die for the beermans um pen todd and beau

were on the balcony to my right and like their girls you know were on the stage right And the balcony to my right was like videoing them like their girls like clapping, smiling, beaming from ear to ear. Okay. Brock wasn't giving that same energy. And I just knew I knew from a room away. I was like, nope. He's here for the spotlight for himself.

Brock is like mad that he didn't get asked to be on stage. A hundred percent. Whereas Randall is like, I don't want to fucking be on stage. I'm like having a good time because this is like a fun of it. Workout app. Like, what is this? Homebody? I don't know,

but he paid for the glam. He's like, yeah, I probably shouldn't have paid for like three glam. I am sick over your accent right now. That is so good. Oh, my God.

Well, you know, he'll have to go back to Australia at some point if he wants to keep that accent, but. Oh, my God. That was so good. That gave me like a chill. My eyes are watering.

Right. You feel like I'm about to gaslight you? Yeah. I'm like plan a secret wedding. Yeah. Okay. Dylan, would you be upset if your friend got engaged two days before you're engaged in party and then wanted to get married at your engaging party? Why is that even a question?

Of course I would be. Just was wondering. Yeah. I would be furious. I think that is one thing where it's like every single person on the show, honestly, kind of Sheena included, thinks that that is a bad situation. I don't understand why. Tom and Ariana didn't just straight up say it was a bad idea. Or did they and I missed it.

Well, they kind of did, but then they said that they would do it. They were like, this is a bad idea. So we'll only help you if we can promise that no one knows. And then at the end of the day, Brock was the one who told everyone about the plan. So not only did he, you know. You know who he reminds me of? Who? Oh, God, I'm scared.

Ronk from Emperor's New Groove. Like, he's always spoiling the secret plans. and it's like, you know what I mean? Like he's like a dumb villain and you're just like, right, it's like stupid. If, okay,

you had a shitty plan to begin with that then didn't happen because sheena realized how shitty of a planet was. And then rather than let the shitty plan die in secrecy, you're like, let me tell you guys about the shitty thing we were about to do. And it's like, that doesn't, that's,

that still makes you seem shitty because you thought it was, it was still your idea. And if Sheena hadn't had like an 11 o'clock freak out, you would still be doing it. Yeah. No, I mean, I can't with Brock. I wish him and Sheena well, but, you know. I want Sheena to do well.

I want, you know, Summer Moon Honey to be okay. And I hope Brock gets a shit together. I hope Summer Moon Honey's college fund is protected. Right now. And with that, we'll see how this is. It goes. Sam, thank you so much for joining me today to break down all of this important information. Can you tell everyone where they can find you, listen to you, et cetera? Yes. So, okay, I hate doing this part because it's like so, I feel so awkward.

On Instagram at Bravo Historian, I write for the dip.com. You can check out all my articles over there. I give a lot of hot takes on Brock, for example. And just the other day, I wrote about how Andy Cohen hates Kyle Cook. It's very clear from Watcher Happens Live. Okay. And I have a podcast called Hot of the Mess that comes out every Tuesdays and Fridays. And then I have shortcomings, which is a Sex and City podcast. So we're covering the revival.

I love that. I love that. And just like that. And just like that, Sam Bush. Hey, it's Tray Deas. Thank you so much for coming on. you're welcome back anytime because there's there's always lots of mess that's hot off the to talk about so much mess. Thank you so much for listening everyone. Don't forget to rate

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