Mention It All - Jessel Understands Your RHONY Frustrations Ft. Jessel Taank

Episode Date: January 13, 2025

To kick off the new week, RHONY’s Jessel Taank returns to the show for the first time since her Housewives debut in 2023. She and Dylan get into the nitty gritty of season 15, from how the group has evolved in their time together to her thoughts on *that* prank. She also gets into her surprising issues with Brynn and Erin, and how it feels to know she’s sharing more of her life than others on the show. Later, she shares her honest feelings about the mixed fan response to the RHONY reboot, and whether she’d be open to some familiar Summer House faces joining the show in the future. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast. I am so excited to be kicking off my new year slate of guests. You're the first housewife we have in the studio of the year. And who better, but Jessel Teng, real housework of New York City. She's back on the podcast. How are you, Jessel? Happy New Year. Good, happy New Year. And it's my first podcast of the year, too. So I'm glad to be doing it with you guys.

Perfect. Starting off strong. Starting off strong. We're starting off with, you know, some tea, which is what we love. I know. I feel like we had our Bravo break over the holidays, and then everything has just come roaring back in the last week or so. And you guys are still in Puerto Rico on this trip on the show. Still stuck on this island. It's like Snake Island right now. We will talk about everything that's going down in Puerto Rico. But I want to just like rewind a little bit because I was thinking the last time that you were here, the last

time we really got to sit down and talk was before your first season of Housewives even premiered. You were here with Aaron and Bryn, I think. We were all together and it was so fun at that time because I had seen a couple episodes of the show you know, like I was excited

for it, but like the world hadn't really gotten to meet you yet and it's crazy to think back to like that moment when you had filmed this season. You had been announced, but what is it like for you to kind of process the last year and a half of this experience? Oh my God, there are no words. I mean, by the way, that was my first piece of press that we ever did as Roney cast.

Like, it was so crazy because I had never done like press like that before. Yeah. So I was like filtering everything. I was like, oh, my God, I'm going to say something stupid. But, you know, from that point to this point, everything has changed. I was just on vacation. And, I mean, I was taking selfies with like half the resort. You know, it's like you don't really understand.

the scope and the reach of the show. I think there is so much to be said about Bravo fandom. Yeah, we were regular Joe Shamos back then, and now it's like people recognize you on the street. And it's really very, very cool, though, to, like, share your life with the rest of the world. So... Well, I feel like it's tough because

when you sign up for a show like this, it's like, you're basically just living your life on the camera and you're not necessarily thinking about, okay, like, are people going to think that this is funny? Are people going to relate to this? What are they going to think of my outfits and everything like that? Like, I feel like in the first season that you were on, you sort of had this wave of people being like, wait, I think Jessel is like really funny and kind of iconic and like maybe a little bit in her own world, but like in a way that is so entertaining to watch.

Like, I feel like there was really a moment where your kind of wavelength sort of like clicked for people on the show. What was it? Did you kind of feel that as the show was airing? Oh, my God. And in the biggest way. So to backtrack a little bit, you know, when the trailer came out for season 14, season. one, however you want to, like, phrase that. I think everyone sort of thought that I was going to be this quiet, like, demure,

little brown Indian girl. Like, that wasn't really interesting. And even in the comments, like, when people's feedback and kind of their initial opinion of me, it was very much like, oh, she's going to be a snooze fast. And, you know, as the season went along, I think it was Evan Ross Katz that, like, posted the Tribeca thing. From that moment on, it was just like, you know, let's go. Like, this is who I am.

I'm feisty. I'm sassy. you know, I am fucking funny. Am I allowed to say that? Yeah, I am funny. Yeah, getting the Evan Ross Katz like stamp of approval. I feel like suddenly there's a different group of people

that are like, okay, so what's going on over here? Yeah. You know, it's so funny because my publicist who is gay and in L.A., he was like, this is a big deal. And I was like, really, it is? And I was like, if Evan Ross Katz likes you, it's a big deal. So I followed him back on Instagram. And he, like, put it in his stories

with like the little eye, like emoji? And I was like, oh, shit. It's so cool. I mean, you're in good company, though. It's like Jennifer Coolidge is like having the moment. You're having the moment. Oh, my God. I think that there is something so, like, that's something I love watching,

watching Housewives, but also like talking to so many of you and meeting so many of you that it's like something that maybe wasn't even on your radar a few years ago. You're just, you know, like living your mom life, doing, you know, your career and all of this. And then it's like, oh, sure, yeah, let's. do it. Let's do it. Let's spin the one-liners. And I guess, like, you know, the dumb should I say resonates and it's funny. So, yeah, I never, I've always been quirky, but I never, like,

realized, you know, watching yourself back, you're like, oh, God, I'm such a dits. Like, I love it. So fun. I think also, like, the way that your group was cast was different than most house shows and it was a full new slate of women. And I think, like, all of you are so different. And, like, I think that you having that kind of, like, unique energy, that's kind of, what the whole point of rebooting the show was, kind of to find something fresh, something new, something different. No, definitely. You know, like, Housewives, it can get heavy at times.

And certainly in our season, you see the ups and downs and flows. But for me, it's like, I want to cut the tension. You know, I always want to, like, chime in with my, like, sort of two cents, but it's not going to be hot and heavy. It's going to be light and airy, you know? Yeah. I'm curious, like, what was coming back for season 15, your second season with this group,

how was it different filming the second season? Obviously, you knew everyone better, but maybe that makes it more complicated because there's more kind of layers and history there. What was the difference to you with the second season? I think, you know, the first season for us, I mean, we were also, like, virgin in this experience. And so, you know, I could speak for myself.

I really had zero awareness. Like, I was, I was like, let me say this shit. Let me say, I'm not sleeping with my husband. And LOL, like, that blew up my face. But, like, you don't know what the repercussion of what you say are going to be. And I think that that was kind of the same for everyone. Like, you know, going into another season

after living through the first, like, you're so much more aware of, like, what that rolling repercussion of your actions is going to be. So I think across the board, we were all just very much, like, if I do this, you know, this is going to happen, which is good and bad, you know, in a way. I think that you can't change who you are,

and that's apparent. The audience is smart. But we definitely, as a group of friends, we're definitely more just like aware of the way things work. Yeah, it's like, it's real life, but with a lens on it, literally. And it's like, it's like things kind of unfold in a certain way. And when you're filming the confessional interviews and having, you know, you're, you're sort of forced to talk about people behind their backs in a way that it's like, but then they see it, they hear it. Like, it definitely forces you to kind of like think maybe a little bit more

like three dimensional. about those relationships. Yeah, you sort of feel like a politician a little bit. Like, you're like, well, if I say what I really think and I say it in that way, like, people are going to get offended and it's going to cause this roller coaster of, you know, sort of drama and fallout. But again, like, I think that this group of women is so opinionated and we don't really, like, if we have something to say, we want to get it off our chest, you know?

Yeah. I think that's something, though, that I've been a little bit, like, of a gatekeeper in sharing, like, my two feelings and I got to improve on that because I am such a publicist at heart. I'm like, well, let me phrase it in this way that doesn't offend people but who gives us shit? You know, let's offend people.

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like keeping those feelings inside, but then also like we do have to be like a group of people that can kind of want to spend time together. Well, exactly. And enjoy each other's company. And, you know, like, we can, we can have laughter and actually be kind of like, you know, a little bit more carefree. It doesn't have to be this like hot-handed drum all the time. The other thing I was going to say was like, I think when you have a second season or a follow-up season,

I think it's interesting how sometimes like you have to back. track to kind of make sense of things. Yeah, like even at the beginning of this season, the story about Jenna needing to get the Uber. Like, it felt like that was something where it took a few tries to really like get it to click of like, what exactly happened and then what did maybe Aaron said that something different happened or it was like, it was implying something, like stuff like that where it's like the actual situation might not be that complicated. But then when you have the game of telephone and the like people reading into things like it can sort of. of create this lore that feels deeper than it even needed to be.

Totally. And that's kind of what happens a lot this season. And I think it, you know, even me, I'm playing catch-up too. I'm like, wait, that happened like seven months ago. I don't even remember, you know, what the context of that conversation was anymore. So on this trip to Puerto Rico, the most recent episode that came out, it kind of felt like Bryn and Aaron sort of wanted to have an issue with you. Or maybe we're looking for, you know, we're kind of.

poking a little bit. Were you sort of surprised by the direction that that went? Or was that something that you kind of already knew what was happening? I was totally surprised. Because the thing is, is that at that point, we're like three, four months in. Like, if anyone had those types of feelings towards me, I would have expected them to share it or, you know, we see each other all the time. We talk all the time. If they're offended by the fact that, like, I get dressed up and have a photographer at some like events like you know they were both there at that like both events so it's like why say it you know after the fact yeah it is one of those things where obviously in terms of like the glam and the photographer whatever it's like everybody has different preferences people

care about different things that's just like how the world works like it did feel like oh wait this is like an actual issue right and it's coming out of left field like it just to me it was it was really surprising. But it wasn't just that. I feel like they had like a laundry list of things that irritated them. And then they were just like, check, check, check. Like it was like going down this list of, you know, what, what am I annoyed with? And then kind of discussing it in like one big cluster fuck of a conversation. What did you think when you heard Aaron say that you're afraid of Bryn? She says that a lot. Like she was like, oh, Rebecca's scared of Bryn and like I'm scared of Bryn and like

Brin's scared of Uber and I just, I don't understand it like I'm not scared of Bryn Bryn and I are actually or were actually close so if I have something to say to Bryn I'm going to say it there's nobody that feels like

that much of a like towering presence that you really need to it's like okay like we're having our arguments we're having our you know we're working through things but like you're being afraid of somebody it's like I don't know that there's anybody here that really has like that like arsenal of information that you need to be so worried about like it seems so like

deep i don't know we're all adults and like in my opinion if i was intimidated by someone i think my energy and my dynamic with them wouldn't be what it is right like my energy and dynamic with brin is very like it's easy it's carefree like we're friends we understand each other or so i thought you know i'm definitely not afraid to like voice my opinion with her um she is a bit of a cannonball and is like a bit of a, you know, wild card at times, and you never really know what's going to come out of her mouth. Yeah. But that doesn't mean that I'm not going to give it to her back.

Yeah, it's like you can know that somebody might have like an unpredictable streak or maybe have your guard up a little bit around them. To me, that's different than like, oh, I'm scared of her, so I'm never going to, I'm never going to cross her. I'm never going to, like, raise an issue if I have one. Yeah, not at all. Yeah, it was a bizarre thing to say. Yeah.

I'm not really sure what that came from. But it's interesting that you said that she, like, kind of says that about various different people. I think she thinks that by putting it out there, like, it will set, like, people will sort of be like, oh, yeah, she is scared. Like, oh, she doesn't confront. Like, no, I don't think anyone's afraid of anyone in that. I mean, the word scared just doesn't make sense to me. It also, it's interesting because, yeah, you're right. Like, if you say it and then somebody else is like, oh, yeah, maybe you're right.

And then people are watching the show, maybe on social media. They're like, oh, yeah, maybe she is right. Like all of a sudden, it's like everybody, is everybody thinking the same thing? Because, you know, like, you can kind of maybe plant a seed that then sort of manifests into something bigger. I mean, to be honest, the only people I'm scared of my kids. Like, I'm not really scared of anyone at this point in my life. Like, you know, maybe, I don't know, 20 years ago, I was a little bit more like, you know, shy. And I wouldn't, you know, speak up for myself or stand up for myself. But I think at this day and age, like, especially doing what we're doing, you can't really be on a show if you're going to be intimidated by people or you're going to be scared of people.

Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. And I think even seeing the way that you've handled. some of the situations like with your family and your your personal life on the show, like talking to your mom and being honest and open about IVF and all of that. And some of the conversations you've had with Pavit on the show, like, you've been really open about a lot of things in a way that definitely not everyone chooses to be. The way that I handle situations is maybe different than, you know, some of the other women.

Like, I don't get aggressive. I don't yell. I'm not thumping on tables. I'm not stumping my feet. I think there's a smart way to express your, opinion that is eloquent. And it's not, you know, this like fire drama like that maybe the show is used to. And so, you know, if we're going to look at that and say, oh, is she being like, you know, a little bit more sort of cautious? I mean, the answer is no. It's just like the way that you deal

with things or the way that I deal with things is just like how I've been brought up, you know? Yeah. I feel like your group almost kind of splits down the middle where it's like you're not really a Yeller. I don't think Jenna's a yeller. We haven't really seen it that much out of Raquel. She's not either, though. But people like Bryn and Uber and I think Aaron a little bit, like that volume notch, I think, is more freely flowing with them maybe. So it feels like maybe there's more, there's a bigger reaction coming out of that side when you just kind of would handle something a little

differently. Yeah, I think that, you know, you don't have to be the loudest in the room to get your point across. And I'm never going to raise my voice at anyone, especially not another woman. And I made that clear from the gut, girl. This episode is brought to you by Prime. Obsession is in session. And this summer, Prime Originals have everything you want. Steamy romances, irresistible love stories, and the book to screen favorites you've already read twice.

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Must be 21 to enter. I'm wondering, so you guys taped your reunion for the season before the holidays. Obviously, we can't get too much into it. But, like, what is your, how do you kind of transfer that point of view about, like, you're not a yeller, you're not, that's not how you handle things into that reunion context where it's sort of like, that's a little bit the assignment. It has to feel a little bit unnatural then for you. I got to say, the reunion was tense.

I think everyone was sort of, like, very even keel when it came to, like, discussing things that happen this season. It does get heated, but I think it was a lot more emotional than it was anger. If that makes sense. Sometimes the big, loud, angry moments can get the biggest immediate reaction,

but those, like, emotional storylines and emotional scenes and things like that can really have more of a lasting impact, I find. Definitely. And, you know, you guys will see in the next few episodes, like, what actually unfolds is, is really like, it's a lot. Like, it got really heavy.

It got really, like, intense. And, you know, the reunion was an opportunity for us all to kind of, like, unpack what happens in Puerto Rico. But also, that comes with a lot. So it was really, really very emotional, I would say. Yeah. Yeah. It's real life. And, I mean, like, I kind of mentioned, like, I think you've been really real about a lot of things

and, like, some of your conversations with Pavit and with people like that. I'm wondering, like, is there anything that you? you've ever shared on the show that you had second thoughts about or maybe like hindsight wished you would handle differently? Yeah, I mean, sharing intimate issues with my husband, like, I think in that moment, I was talking to a group of girlfriends and I wasn't aware that this is obviously going to be on a show on camera that people would see it, that, yeah, I don't know what I was thinking, but like we were so, like I said, green. And to say something like that, I was like, oh, oops. And like, I didn't understand what that snowball effect would be.

Right. And people had so many opinions. And I think it really like unpacked a lot of conversation. They were like, oh, well, Jess will have its marriages and, you know, turmoil. But then on the flip side, a lot of women were like, yeah, I kind of have been dealing with the same thing myself. But I had a very good reason for why that was. Like, I had just, you know, obviously had twins and I was just coming out of like, you know, being pregnant and the whole thing. So it made sense in the moment. But I didn't understand the repercussions of that. And I was like, oh, Oh, God. Like, why would I say it? That was like a first season moment. Moment, I know.

But I don't regret it. And I just, I remember coming home and I told Pavit and he was like, why would you say that? Like, what are you doing? And I was like, no, no, no. I don't know. I think it might help people, you know, and it did. I think a lot of women were like, okay, well, I'm not alone in the situation. Like, other women, I go and throw it too.

Yeah, I think there's something also to like really feeling comfortable with what your version of your relationship looks like and that everybody has. has a different dynamic that's going to work for them. Or maybe it doesn't work for them and they need to choose something else. But it's like, yeah, like when you're talking about relationships and marriages and, you know, having kids and things like that, it's like it doesn't really actually matter what anybody else thinks that they would do in that situation. Exactly.

If you ask for advice, then that's nice. But like, if you're just like, this is my situation, it is what it is. You just have to be confident in yourself. Like, I think that I am confident in like, you know, who I am, who we are. And so saying something like that and then getting that sort of like, you know, wave of comments and feedback, like it could really affect a lot of people. But for me, it was like, well, let me spend this into a positive, you know, and let's like actually talk about it. Let's open the dialogue. So, and I think I did that for a lot.

Like, I mean, IVF, obviously. I know Aaron with her abortion story. Like, we're talking about things that are considered a little bit, you know, under the radar and people don't really openly discuss. So that's what the show is supposed to be about, like, real life, real shit, you know. I want to bring up the prank situation that happened earlier this season. People had strong reactions to Rebecca and Aaron's little cooked up situation. Knowing that you have had this kind of like fertility journey and all of that and then the kind of aspect of like the pregnancy prank, like, what was your personal read on that situation? I was shocked that they would, I mean, yeah.

I was shocked that they would actually, like, cook up a prank about something that was so serious. I know a lot of women are trying to get pregnant, and the fact that they were like, oh, that would be funny is just, like, mind-blowing to me. It wasn't funny at all. Like, funny would be, you know, me saying that, I don't know, that I was, I don't move into China. I don't know. Like that's. Like cockroach in the pebble. or whatever. It's like, yeah, sure.

Like, that's a prank. But the fact of the matter is, is like, if you don't know how to do a prank, don't fucking do it, you know? Like, moral of the story. It was a really, it was a really bad taste. And Rebecca, like, she's fully, like, on board with, like, that wasn't cool. She definitely regrets it. So.

What is your kind of read on Rebecca? Because I feel like, obviously, she's a friend of this season. We're not getting so much of her, like, one-on-one life. But I kind of have had trouble figuring out, like, exactly if she fits into the group, how she fits into the group. What is your kind of, where do you stand with her? I mean, listen, we're friends. I respect her a lot. I think what she's built in the fashion industry as an entrepreneur is so impressive. But again, like, it's hard,

right, to come into a group of women like this and in this scenario especially, be open about, like, your personal life. You know, she's obviously got a lot of different things happening in her life. And so it was a bit of a struggle, honestly. And then you have, you know, I felt like she was a little bit on the defense a lot of the times, especially with when it comes to her religion or her business and having people like, Bren, like tear down like your brand. And it just, I felt bad for her. And I think she handled herself well when it came down to it. So yeah, I'm like the Nordstrom rat comment. It's funny, but also if it was, if I was Rebecca, I don't think I would love it. No, and it's just, listen, she's built a multi-million dollar business.

Like, she's, this is 12th play for her. But it's, it's just, it's tough because I don't think she's ever been in a situation where she's been surrounded by so many inquiring, like, minds, you know? Right, right, right. And it's not good inquiry. It's not like, it's like the National Enquirer. It's not like the New York Times inquiring, you know what I mean? Yeah, no, it is interesting always when somebody joins a,

a show like this that has such a, like, successful background, but not in a way where they're expected to be open about their life, really? Yeah. For the public, like, it's such a different game to play that when you come into this space, it's like, okay, this is what we're doing now. Yeah, and I don't think she felt safe in a lot of those situations. Like, I think she felt like, you know, we were attacking her and that we were asking her questions to kind of tear her down.

And so when you're, and I've been in that seat, too, so, you know, you sort of become defensive and then you know you're not sharing as much right so I think that's kind of where we ended up like being with her like it just it wasn't a safe space for her to share I'm curious like with this season obviously we have a few more weeks to go

I think like what you guys did with the New York franchise like bringing it into this new era obviously was something that had never happened before people feel very strongly about everything that happens in the of Housewives. So, like, naturally, I think there's been some mixed response, some questions

about sort of, like, the direction that everything is going. Like, what has your, like, thought process been as this season is coming out? Like, how do you kind of process everything? Yeah. You know, I do read the comments. Even though it was the first thing Andy said to not do. He was like, don't read the comments. It's for me, it's interesting to get feedback, right? Like, positive or negative. I think it's just interesting to see what the audience think. And it was disappointing, I think, at first, that they were not open to giving us a chance. I think that, you know, they're obviously loyal to the women that preceded us, and that's valid.

But New York is such a modern, it's such a fast-paced in Dynamic City. And I think what the network did in refreshing it made 100% like sand. Now, I think season one went really well. Like, I think that we kind of threw it out of the ballpark. season two, I think that, you know, the expectations are so high and then you have so many like eyeballs on you and it's like every little move that you make is like kind of under scrutiny. The one thing I would say is that, you know, as women, we are all doing our thing. We're entrepreneurial. We're living this like, you know, grand life in New York. And I wish some of that was shown more.

I think that, you know, the drama is obviously it has to be there. But I kind of want people to see a little bit more of like, what we actually do. Yeah. And the circles that we sort of like, you know, surround ourselves with. Yeah, I think there's, it's an interesting idea that like not every show is going to have the exact same formula for what works for that group, for that city, for that, you know, just the vibe that's been created. And it's an interesting thing. Like, New York as a place is not the same as Atlanta or Salt Lake City or Orange County. You know, like there are kind of like maybe thinking a little broader about like what does this project look like versus just like okay copy and paste what maybe worked before or for another city definitely and I think you know if New York is anything to go by

like we're not trying to reinvent the wheel necessarily but I think that we were chosen for a specific reason and we are not the Upper East Side women that married rich and you know that's kind of our life like we built our lives and are still continuing to build our lives and we're still like you know in our sort of 40s and like late 30s. And so there's so much more to see. You know, there were so many moments that we filmed in this season that weren't shown. And I was just like, oh, like, why? You know, Rebecca and I threw, and we hosted this incredible female founders event

that invited all these women big names, designers in the fashion industry. Like, that wasn't, you know, I think people are curious about what we're doing. And I don't want, you know, the audience to think that we're not working or that we're not interesting in that way. Like, we have a lot of different, like, arms. So I am curious to get your thoughts on. There's been this kind of, like, chatter online about the future, obviously the future of New York, but also the future of Summer House, which is a show that is sort of New York adjacent. And people really, I think, are wanting to see, like, some sort of crossover. I don't know how well you know the people from that show. But, like, do you feel like that could be something like in the

future that you would be into? You know, summer houses, it's young, right? It's like a group of women. Like, I think it's like everyone having fun taking shots. I mean, it's definitely a different dynamic. That's for sure. So you're not going to summer house. I'm not going to summer house. Listen, I would love to go to summer house if they can like watch my kids. Like, I don't know who they are. But I would love to have a moment on summer house. Maybe I'll make a cameo. But I don't know. It's very different, right? Like, but listen, I would love to see someone like Paige kind of cross lines. Cross over. Maybe it's. Madison, you know, like

it, no, Madison's not on Summer House. Who's it? Lindsay just had a baby. That's what I meant. Lindsay. You look the same. New mom, you know. Oh my God.

I'm going to get penalized. Okay, we're going to get a blonde on a... We'll get blondes. What's the blonde on Bravo? Lindsay just had a baby. So that might make sense. You know, it's like, I don't know. It could be interesting.

But it's funny because a lot of people have set the same thing to me. They would love to see page on it. I'm curious. So we're just a couple. into the new year, do you have like a 2025 intention or resolutions are so corny, I feel like, but like what's your, do you have something you're like focusing on for this year, either with the group on the show or like just in your everyday life? My 2025 mantra is, I don't give a fuck, and I'm serious about that. Like I think I have been, I'm so hyper aware of like people around me

and if I'm offending someone or if I'm going to like do something that's like not going to be. be, you know, approved. And I truly don't care anymore. And I think that, like, you know, having those barriers come down a little bit is going to be very liberating for me. So I'm here for that. And I'm very excited about what that's going to bring to myself, my professional life, how I am on the show. And I think it's going to be interesting for people to watch that sort of unfold. Great. You heard it. Her first 2025 Jessel does not give a fuck. Do not give us back. Thank you so much for being here.

I'm excited to see the rest of the season. Let me know what you think. Let me know what you think. Thanks, Jessel. Thanks, everyone for listening. Don't forget to rate review and follow the show wherever you listen. And until next time, be cool.

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