Mention It All - Jill Zarin Is Not Thirsty Ft. Jill Zarin & Ally Shapiro

Episode Date: June 8, 2022

RHONY OG Jill Zarin joins Dylan to talk about her business, her Bravo legacy, and why RHUGT was the perfect way to come back. Jill also discusses why she hates being called “thirsty,” and how she feels about coming back for RHONY Legacy. Later, they’re joined by Ally Shapiro for more stories about their time on Bravo. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Betches Media presents. Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All. A Bravo by Betcha's podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With Dylan Hafer. We'll go and check me, boo. Hey, everyone.

Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer, and today I have a very special treat. I am happy to be joined by an OG Real Housewife of New York City, who is now finally coming back to our screens, whether it's the computer, the TV, the iPad, whatever. She is going to be on Real Housewives' Ultimate Girls' Trip, X-wives Club, this month. Please welcome Jill Zarin. You know, thank you very much. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Okay, thank you. That's all, everybody who works for me and I pay very well. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here. And by the way, for those who have not seen a tour of this incredible location, I am so impressed. And, you know, the founders did this themselves is what you told me. Yeah, we have a beautiful office, a beautiful studio. and I'm so happy that you are here in the studio.

You need to do a behind the scenes tour. They've named different parts of the office after iconic either places or sayings. Bravo. Yes. Many Bravo. I'm sure you have other shows. Yeah, we have a few. I've posted some, but there are lots of little Bravo tidbits around the office.

Oh, my God. There's a fish room people. I know. Everybody wants to work here. I mean, it's the place to be. Yeah. It's pretty amazing. But we were talking, speaking of our workplaces, you have this business booming with you and

your daughter now. I do. My Allie. She's here. So we'll get to talk to her a little bit later. But yes, Jill and Allie started during the pandemic. As you know, as our most loyal, most loyal, original customer of our tie-dye face masks, infamous. Sadly, it's not something anybody wants to remember. Right. Nobody wants to remember wearing them. I mean, it's kind of hard to believe we all wore them for so long. But to think back, though, I do remember. I think my first mask that I ever had was like my mom in St. Louis had like sewn me a mask out of like an old. pillowcase or something with that like tied in the back because you couldn't buy them anywhere like you couldn't go to the store and buy the masks if you were even going to the store and it's true I remember you sent me you sent me a few and I was like wow this it's comfortable it's like it actually looks okay I mean you know I'd swear I don't know if anyone's watched the handmade's tale I'm sure a lot of people have yeah but I can't help but you know think of that show as you know the extreme

of what we were about to step into I mean all of us wearing face masks I mean it's kind of seems surreal and crazy. Yeah, it is, I mean, it is crazy. So anyway, but it was a great business for us, you know, and we definitely took the opportunity to start a company together. And we are continuing doing crystal manifestation candles because we wanted to find something that was a positive, something that was timeless and something that we could change and be, and yet at the same time be evergreen.

So everybody got into crystals during the pandemic. It became a very big it word crystals. Everyone's with crystals. So we decided to see. if we could put crystals in wax, you know, and make candles. And successfully we did, they have great sense. They all have manifestation sayings. They're two and a half pounds.

I mean, they're like heavy. You know, they'd say 14 ounces, but that's not. I love, I love like a hefty candle. It's a hefty candle. And they're beautiful in your house. So if, and, you know, once you burn the wax, you can still keep the vessel. Like we have holographic ones that are beautiful. You can put, you know, flowers in and you could make it a pencil thing or makeup brushes, you know,

instead of buying a cup from makeup brushes, you can use one of the, so it's recyclable. Anyway, so it's very exciting. But we also have a home accessories line and we just launched a handbag line, which is exclusively at Saksaw Fifth Avenue right now and online at Gillenally. Amazing. Well, we'll talk about that a little bit more later. But speaking of looking back, a little more fun than looking back to the pandemic, I want to look back all the way to.

All the way. Let's go. All the way. All the way. All the way. To 2000 and something. looking back, it's been 11 years since you left Real Housewives of New York and, or ish. Yeah, you're right.

Yeah, 2011, I think was when season four aired. Right, because I'm thinking 11. That's, you're right. I started like 14. Right. 15 maybe. And so that's, obviously, it's been a really long time. But I think it's fair to say you've never really left the Bravo fans consciousness.

You've always been around. People have always thought about you, asked if you're going to come back, all of this stuff. now that you're in this position where you're going to be back on a show, do you look back and sort of, do you feel the impact of what the original Real Housewives of New York kind of did for the reality TV landscape? Because I think it's a big one. I know.

I have to say, I remember being with the girls, the original five, the first season after the show was filmed and we were starting to do press. And we were getting crazy press opportunities. And remember, none of us started our careers as actors, none of us.

So there was never an aspiration that that would happen. Like, you know, if you want to be an actor, you dream about, you know, your cover on vanity fair or you're, you know, and you visualize it. You literally visualize all these things. That's what people do. Manifest, right? But none of us had that. I mean, we all had different careers, but none of them had to do with television or being a model or an actor. So when all these things happened, like we got into Harper's Bazaar, not the cover, but it was a double page spread.

It was unbelievable. I knew. and I remember saying it to the girls. And I remember where I said it. We were in a hotel and we were shooting the New York Times. It's like a big piece. And I said, girls like, and we were fighting. We were fighting, but we weren't fighting.

Like, we had finished the season and it was what it was. But then when you do press, you kind of all have to be grownups and be like, okay, we have to do, you know, we're in this together. And I remember just saying, this is something. This is not normal. Like, this is not normal. This is not normal to be on a show. and get, you know, all these different big press things.

It was just so big. And I said, this is going to go on. This is it. Like, I knew. I knew. I don't know if the other girls, I knew. And I remember saying it that this is not normal. Well, and it's, I think it's important to remember that at that point, there had been

Orange County for a couple of years. But there wasn't this like world of real housewives where you knew once you were getting into that. It was going to be a whole thing. You know, it was still this kind of idea you had signed up originally to do. It was like Manhattan moms. You have a good memory. It's not that many people know that.

But even once it became real housewives, it was like, okay. I remember being mad. Well, first of all, okay, so I've learned, I have a lot of reflection about myself now, looking back. And I like to call them character flaws. And one of them is inflexibility, meaning like when someone tells me we're going to do something, if you change it, I'm not comfortable. I don't like it.

I mean, I don't do anything, but like I know where my triggers are. You know, like, so like if you want to instigate something with me, just change the plan and I'm going to, you know, react. We were filming the green screen. And for those who don't know, it's literally you're in a room with a green wall of paint or paper. And the reason they do that is so that they can put any image on the screen behind you. So they'll shoot you as a person in front of a green screen and they'll put a sunset,

you know, a building, whatever it is behind you. And that's how they shoot a lot of TV commercials and stuff like that. So we were doing that for the promo of the opening of the show, which now people know what that is, but back then they didn't. So we will all, and by the way, back then, if you can imagine the challenge, we had one camera in the room and the five girls were together. So it was like, okay, hold out the apple like this. Remember that picture? Hold out the apple like this. Do it with your right hand. Do it your left hand. Jill stand in the middle. Jill stand in the end. And we did that, you know, and that's how we shot it. Today with the way technology is.

They do it all by themselves, I think. Exactly. They all do it individually. And then with magic of television, they put them all together. So it looks like they're all together, right? Anyway, this is why I brought up the story. So I remember we were shooting the first one. And there was a director. And everything was very secretive. It still is, by the way. You know, the magic of television. And when you're on a reality show, when it's not your show, you're not a producer, you're really just like a hired whatever. They tell you what they want to tell you. They don't want to tell you. We don't even, at that point, we didn't even know the questions to ask. You know, we were just there. You know, we were just going.

along with whatever everybody told us to do. Show up here, show up there. We didn't really know anything. So, but, you know, I was, I'm a little bossy. That's why I have a dog named bossy. I'm, she's named after me. I'm a little bossy. And admittedly so, I was kind of the ringleader that first season.

Everyone kind of looked to me because I had introduced everyone to the show. Not that I had any experience. I just happened to be the first one to get cast. And then I brought in Bethany. I brought in Luann. I brought in, um, Ramona in indirectly. So each of the girls. had a better relationship with me that first season than they did with each other. After that,

you know, things evolved. So I was kind of, like I said, like the ringleader or whatever you want to call it, self-proclaimed. So I remember going behind the camera where the director was and he had a notebook. And I'm like, oh, can I see that? Because it was kind of like, I guess a book that he was using to help him make the shots, right? And I saw the words, the real housewives of New York city and I saw the logo. I was probably the first one to ever see it other than the inside people of Bravo, right? And I was so upset. I was so upset. And of course, I told all the girls, I'm like, oh my God, you're not going to believe this. It's not Manhattan moms. They bait and switched us. It's the real housewise of New York. What is this? But, you know, again, like I said, I'm inflexible.

So I was like shocked and not happy. But then, you know, I sit with it. And this happens a lot, by the way, with my sister, like, we'll get into a fight or something, you know, and I'll be like, no, no, no, you're wrong, you're wrong. And then I sit with it and then I'm like, oh, shit, she's right. You know, I just like to sit within a minute. So I sat with it, obviously, I had no choice. And I realized I'm like, wait a minute, you know what? They know what they're doing.

This could be good. Like Orange County, New York, what's next? And I remember I went on and I bought, because I'm such the entrepreneur. I bought the real house. I said, New York City.com. Absolutely. I bought every combination I could find and maybe a few cities I could think of. But Bravo TV was it.

In other words, that was before there was Bravo TV. So then when the show came out, they created bravoTV.com. And I'm like, okay, the real houses of New York City.com ain't going to be worth shit. Anyway, I kept it for whatever and then I released them. But isn't that funny story? That's hilarious. And that was before, I mean, you talk about bravoTV.com. Now it's like a whole thing to learn more about the housewives.

but Bravo didn't have that kind of brand identity the way it does now where everybody knows, oh, I watch Bravo, there's all these fan pages, there's all this stuff going on about, dedicated to Bravo. It was like, Housewives was one of those shows that really helped create that kind of brand identity. Were you a fan of it at the beginning? Like, were you watching? Because you're young. No, to be honest, no, I wasn't watching. How old are you now? I'm 27. Right. So you were like 10. Right. You know what I mean? So hopefully your mother wasn't letting you watch the show. So good, so good, so good.

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That's why you rack. I'm curious, so we were, just saying how it's been, you know, this 11 years since you left the show and now you're coming back. And a lot of people have been keeping up with you in that time. But for people who maybe haven't been paying as much attention to you or listening to interviews you do or whatever, what are you kind of excited about people meeting in 2022, Jill Zerrin, coming on to this new show? That's a really good question. I think this show that just I've evolved, you know, people don't stay the same. I think that I've learned a lot by my experiences. One of the reasons I think,

did the show. I remember saying this a lot in interviews 10 years ago or 20 years ago was I did the show for three reasons. I did it because I wanted to have a diary of my family. I thought it would be amazing. Like even now, I could watch old episodes and see Bobby. I mean, I wouldn't have had that, you know, and in the best way. The other was to promote my brands, which obviously, you know, that's one of the reasons why I've stayed relevant is because I've continued to work. And obviously with Jill and Ellie and Alie and Jill Zaire and Home Products and all that stuff. how many people have the opportunity to have a mirror of themselves so that you could really see what you look like to other people and get feedback. And I think that's what made me a better person.

Because even though I'm embarrassed about things, maybe I said or did, or I don't think things were reflected necessarily the way I would have liked them reflected, it is what it is. And I learned from that. So it was those three reasons I did it. And that's the only reasons really for me to come back was to promote my brands, to learn about myself in a different way. So when you ask me, have I, you know, how I feel now versus back then or how I think people will perceive me now versus back then is I think they'll see hopefully a new and improved. Yeah. And I think, I mean, in terms of having a mirror of your actions, social media is a whole different world now than it was. Oh, boy. But it's better for me on this side of the

aisle if you want, I don't know what the word would be. Because now you have editing options, blocking options. You know, you back then, I mean, it's so crazy to feel like how old I am. Back in the day, the beginning of Twitter, there was no such thing as blocking. There was nothing like that. You couldn't block people. Yeah. In the beginning, you couldn't do anything.

And on Instagram and all that stuff. And now if I don't, if I think someone, I don't mind if someone says something negative. In fact, like I said, it's a mirror of myself. So someone says something, whatever, how I look, how I behave. I may not like it, but I'm okay, leave it there. It's okay. It's a free world. Thank God. You know, we could still all have opinions. I only want to block or do anything that's mean, nature, you know, with no positive intent at all or whatever. I have the option. I have two options. I could block them without them knowing it so that they can continue to have this dialogue with

somebody, but I don't have to listen to it. Or in the worst severe case, I don't let them see me anymore unless they want to create a new account. And even that, when you block someone, it says, do you want to block them here and everywhere else they set up an account? Right, right, right. And, you know, very few people have more than one phone number, right? I mean, you really have to go through a lot of effort to create multiple personalities on these things. So if someone tries to come out there, I mean, there were people who had horrible, you know,

Instagram things, and I couldn't stop them. And the worst, you know, in hindsight, was bravoTV.com in the beginning. We had something called blogs, when blogs were a very big thing. Now I don't know if blogs are as big, that word. You know, now there's podcasts, replace blogs. They're verbal blogs, right? Isn't that what a podcast is? Yeah, and like Housewives, they do the after shows and stuff instead of the blogs.

Right. So what they did, though, is we had these written blogs, and we were required to write a blog everywhere. And that was the only way we could get the episode early, by the way. In the beginning, you know, none of us got the episode before you saw it. We all saw at the same time because the truth is they didn't want to hear all of us calling Andy Kahn saying, I don't like the way I looked on this. I don't like this.

cut this, cut this. They just rolled it, you know, and then it was like too late. But they wanted us to do these blogs so we got it a few days early and we did them. But the thing was is that Bravo allowed all the comments. They were never, they were audited, but I always felt, you know, because I'm paranoid, that they let the, whatever it was that I thought. And the truth is, it's humans, humans are monitoring it. There's no human who can monitor all of them.

So you would look at them, you would look at the end of the week and see, you know, do you have more positive than next? you know, and then sometimes I'd feel like, oh my God, they only put the negatives because people would email me and say, I left a comment on bravoTV.com blog and it's not up. And it was a positive. And then I'd be all paranoid saying, oh, oh, they didn't put up the good ones, only the bad, you know, that kind of thing. And believe me, all the housewives, everybody is human and we all, I just say it, right?

They don't do that anymore. Yeah. And that was a big thing for all the housewives. We hated it because we couldn't respond to it. We couldn't control it. And now, you know, we all have our own individual dialogue with our fans. And Bravo doesn't feel the need to control that at all. They kind of, they couldn't control it.

It got out of control. You have so many options. Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, you know what I mean? So they stopped doing this whole blog thing. And I think that was a good thing. So I guess my point is, is that being the first has many benefits. But you're also like the guinea pick. You know what I mean?

And by the time, if you're a housewife now coming on, All those kinks are out. And I think if I was coming on now, A, I would know what I'm getting into. Like back then, we didn't know, like you said, we didn't know what we're getting into. Nobody knew. So you know what you're getting into. And there's more control. I guess there's more transparency now about how the shows are made and, you know, what's

real, not real. And all those discussions have been hashed out. So the fans are smarter. Like, I got a lot of heat for things that were so-called production issues. that I got blamed for with the fans. Rightly so, because what they saw is what they saw. But there were reasons why they saw it the way they saw it. And of course, I can't tell you why.

Right. We're not supposed to tell you any of that. So that was frustrating. And those issues don't really come up anymore because the fans already know. You know what I mean? They're breaking the fourth wall. Right, right, right. They do.

They break the fourth wall a little bit now because in the very beginning, we were told that like not only could we not discuss in the show that we were housewives or that we were famous. But it's hard to, it's hard to, like if I, I remember a scene once, I think it was with Bethany and we were in the New York Post and something, I think we were fighting over something that came out on page six. But the reality is we wouldn't have been on page six if we were at Al'swise, but we couldn't say we were ours.

Right. It's like a vicious circle of. And I know that Andy and everybody at Bravo had a real hard time coming to terms with how to figure that out. And finally, and I think Denise Richards was the one who broke it. And I could be wrong. but there was a saying that if you said, Bravo, Bravo, Bravo, filming,

that they would cut it because they didn't want that. Like I said, the fourth wall is shown. So that got spread throughout all the shows and everybody, you know, knew that. And I guess Denise Richards was upset and didn't want something in. And she says, bravo, bravo, bravo. And I think the first time, and I could be wrong,

but I think it was the first time Bravo said, you know what? Fuck that. We're putting it in. And then after that, I think Ramona had a scene where she tried to block the cameras and said, you know, no more filming, you know, bravo, bravo. Yeah, it was at her birthday party a couple of years ago, yeah.

Were you at that? No, I wasn't there, but it's on the show. It's on the show. And you see they're breaking the fourth wall, right? But when they filmed it, I'm sure the girls thought that would be edited out. Right. But now if you go on today, you know that everything, like also, like I'm here with you now, right? And we take a break, let's say, and someone says, you know what?

Can we stop for a second? I have to go to the bathroom or whatever. And then I'm drinking my soda and I'm talking or whatever. That's all in now. Right. You know, back in the day, you know, when you're on, you're on, when you're off, you off. So it's, at least you know what you're getting into.

Yeah. And so talking about, you know, the world that we're in now, the fourth wall is more broken. Obviously, ultimate girls trip is kind of. It is about the fourth wall being broken. Right. It's a result of that. I thought it was really interesting. I watched an interview that you did almost exactly a year ago.

I think it was with Access Hollywood. And you were talking about how at that point you said you were never coming back to housewives. You said, it's never going to happen. I can never be what you think I am. I can never, I can never live up to that. I don't want to do the interviews. I don't want to do the reunion. A lot has changed in that year. First of all, girls trip exists. They had just filmed the first season, I think when you did that interview. And I don't think so. It was in, it was in like May or June of last year. So I think it was. They may have filmed it, but I don't think I knew about it. It was around the same time. So that obviously is a whole different side of things. And I, I, I,

I know that maybe there had been a thing with New York a few years ago where maybe you were going to be on a little bit and it kind of didn't pan out that way. Yeah, Durinda blocked me on that. Yeah. So what was what was different about girls' trip that maybe made it a little easier to say yes to in terms of coming back into the fold? Well, it was definitely an easier way to walk back in. I loved it.

You know, and if I could do those that again, and I'm sure I won't be able to. I'm sure it's like a once in a lifetime. There's so many housewives and I think it's a big success and all the housewives probably want to do it now because it's a week, you know, and it's with girls that I don't have any history with for the most part. So there's, you know, for me, I always, I have a lot of empathy. I have a lot of guilt. I have a lot of everything.

So if I have a relationship with you, I don't want to say or do anything to hurt you. And not that I want it with girls I don't have a relationship with, but I don't know them. Right. So I feel like I can be more honest, you know, verbally honest, you know, say, what I'm really thinking. And I just, it had a beginning, a middle, and an end, and there is no reunion, you know, and yeah, the reunions are really hard. Yeah.

They're, they're hard. I mean, the show is hard to watch after it's film, you know, because you're reliving a lot of the stuff that goes on again. How are you feeling about watching this season of Girl Strip? I'm excited. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, we all have our moments.

And I definitely don't want to ruin that for you, but you will not be disappointed. I certainly have my moments. But I'm not, I haven't seen it, but I'm sure it is. what it is. I don't expect anything to be a surprise. I mean, I am exactly who I am. So if you like me that way, great. And if you don't, you don't. But I know that that's exact, I don't feel like I'm going to be misrepresented in any way. I think that it, you know, I was exactly the way I felt. Like back on the show years ago, there were things and stuff going on behind the scenes in for me, you know, that especially with Bobby being sick was part of it, that affected my behavior,

affected my state of mind and all these things that you didn't necessarily know when you watched the show. Talking about other women in this cast, how did that go when you were in negotiations or talking to them? Did you know anybody else who was considered to be there? Or was it a surprise? No, I don't think I was told any of the girls. So when you found out who-

I knew what I knew it was during this house, that I was told. What were your expectations going in with the different women in the cast? Like, was there anyone that you were really excited that you were going to get to know better? Or was there somebody that you kind of were a little, you know, I'm not sure how I'm going to vibe with them. Like, what was your? No, I was, I was, I had no, only positive. I was just, listen, I'm a real. The reason why I love doing the housewives when I did is because I'm a real girl's girl.

So like in my real life, last night I went to a charity event. And, you know, all my, and I actually, I brought Julia Hart with me. Oh, yeah. From my unorthodox life. And she is fabulous. but she's newly single. And I wanted to introduce her to my other single girlfriends. And I have many, and they're single for many reasons, either widows or divorced or whatever.

And I love that camaraderie. Like I planned a trip to Cuba. This is like four years ago. And I had eight girlfriends go to Cuba. Now, that would have been fun to follow. You have no idea the drama. Like one girl went out, you know, snuck out one night to go out. Don't even ask.

So I love that. I mean, that's my organic natural life where some of the girls on the show are not girls' girls in real life. You know, they're business women, their focus or family or whatever. They don't have a lot of girlfriends. So I was really meant for this. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.

Yeah. And I feel like with this cast, I mean, there's so many different dynamics. Obviously, all of you used to be on Housewives and have been off of your shows for certain amounts of time. Some of you, you know, you have, you know, Ali is a grown up. And, you know, you have like Derinda and Vicky and like other people there who have older kids, but then you also have like Eva and Phaedra. Right with babies.

Yeah, who are still, you know, actively raising their kids. So was that, like, I feel like that's so many different layers. Well,

what was great about this trip is that everybody left all their so-called baggage at home. Yeah. Right. So everybody, like I wouldn't have even known Eva had kids. I mean, not to say she was taking care of her family, you know,

remotely and doing all the stuff she did. But most of it was done like in her room or whatever. Like when we were together, we were very present. Everybody was very present. By the way, there was no cell phone service there. So that made it.

around the area. So it made it much easier for us to be, you know, present. But, you know, we were really for a week, like mostly phones off. I mean, I checked in with my family at night, but all day long I was very present, you know, and it was so nice. What was it like spending that time with Derinda? Because like you said, you know, she maybe interfered with you coming back on the show at one point. And you were never housewives at the same time, but obviously people think of you together because you both had this impact on Real Houseways of New York. What was it like kind of... You're going to have to watch and see what happens.

Okay. That's must-that's must-see TV. Yeah. Oh, so my comment is, is that back in the day, mom is a fun fact that she brought Dorinda on in season four. Four. At a fashion show. Oh, it was for Jennifer's...

Jennifer, my stepdaughter's charity. I knew Durinda when she was married to Richard. He was as good as she said. I mean, he was a wonderful man. And in fact, my sister, or Lisa, who has a radio show, the Lisa Wexel show in Connecticut, had Richard on her show many times as a commentator because he was like a Politico.

He was very involved in politics. And, you know, when he was sick and he was, you know, dying, I was there. I remember having lunch with her and another girlfriend and I tried to be there for her. And afterwards, you know, I tried to, I don't want to say cheer her up with her, you know, not to cheer up, but I took her to,

I remember taking her to Lincoln Center to a Gifting Suite during Fashion Week to try to load her up with free stuff. and all that stuff. And I really liked her. And I invited her to one of the filming events. And I actually sat her next to me because I wanted her to be on the show because I thought she'd be a great housewife.

Though one is not connected to the other when she did come on. It had nothing to do with her being there when I was there. But I did try to get her on. I don't even think she knew it. But I just thought that she was great. You know, so it really hurt my feelings later on when, you know, there was an opportunity. Right.

That she wouldn't, you know, want me to be on it. And it was just to be a few days. Anyway, it doesn't matter. It's history. It doesn't matter. But, yeah, that is true. I did render it on the show. So if you're a real eagle eye, she was wearing a red jacket and she had her short,

blonde bob. You can't miss her. It's wild how things come back around like that. Like, I know. Well, I knew she'd be great TV. DeLora's was on Jersey Housewives, like years before she ever officially came in the show. Like that always happens. Girl, Winter is So Last Season.

And now Springs got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs. You're thirsty for the sun on your shoulders. That perfect hang on the patio sundress. Those sandals you can wear all day and all night. And you've had enough of shopping from your couch. Done hoping it looks anything like the picture when you tear open that envelope. It's time for a little in-person spring treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. I've heard some of the other women who were on girls' trip with you. you, uh, Brandy went on, or Durinda went on Brandy's podcast. I've heard Fager talk about how it really was kind of an exhausting week being there just because it was so compacted and you were filming this whole show and you were working long days and Durinda said there were like just people everywhere at the house. Like what was that experience like when you're, when in the past you had filmed a show obviously over a period of weeks or months and had, you know, filming days? I don't know. I just, I just go along with what it is.

loved it. I absolutely loved it. I loved the crew. I wish they didn't all have to wear masks and all that stuff because I don't even know what they, if I saw some of them on the street, you know, they know me like intimately and I wouldn't even know them because they were wearing a mask and I feel bad about that. You know, at the end, I remember, you know, trying to take a picture with everyone saying, okay, masks off for a picture, please. And we've always loved our crews. Like even we did something, I'm sure I could say this, it probably won't make it to air. He went to the Miami a few weeks, few months ago and we were there for a party for the houses of Miami. And our old crew from season one was there.

Oh, yeah. So it was like amazing. I was 14. You know, they knew Bobby. Like, it was great to see them even for 10, 15 minutes to have this like familial connection. Yeah. History.

Yeah. I've heard lots of housewives and just people who have done shows like this in general talk about you're spending so much time with those people and they're in your house for all of these moments. Which, by the way, that's why I don't understand sometimes. when housewives have been, you know, allegedly, whatever, you know, just rude to the crew. If you interviewed them, you know, who did you like, who didn't you like? Like, some of them will tell you that some of the housewives are just so rude and so, you know,

and you're like, why would someone be rude to the people who are trying to, you know, make you look good on TV or to help you? Right. Like, do you think that's going to help you in the edit? Yeah, not even that. It's just like, I don't know. I just never understood that whole, like, you know, I mean, you hear, you know, rumors of like, you know, people are told, you know, you can't look them in the eye.

And that's true. I mean, there are contracts that are written of certain celebrities and things like that, that if you work for them, you can't look at them in the eye, you can't, you know, address them. And it's in contracts, like TV shows and stuff. It's crazy. Yeah. I know. Isn't that crazy?

This is super random. Brandy, I heard Brandy mentioned that Fajra gave you all Bibles or prayer books at the Girl's Trip. Did that, like, were you a firm or deny? I'm, like, trying to imagine Jill Zerrin being given a Bible. and I don't know how you would react. Very well. If that happens, I would, I'm the one who would embrace something like that because I'm very spiritual. Okay.

Okay. There's really only one Bible. I mean, fun fact, Jill, there were versions of it. Jill loves learning about new religions. Yes. She loves it. She loves talking about it. She's a big learner.

I'm obsessed with like, Scientology. Scientology. Not that I want to be one, but I'm obsessed with like learning about it. Yeah. Oh, obsessed with that show. We went to, um, we went to that temple. once with the red bracelet. Cabala.

He went to Kabbalah for Jewish holiday. I mean, you know, I just, I embrace all of it because it all comes from one place. And by the way, none of us were alive when it all happens. So I don't even know why everybody's like arguing about it. There's no witnesses. It's a good point. What? Jehovah's Witnesses.

There you go. Thank you, Gary. You found one. Oh, my gosh. Jehovah's Witness. I can't make this up. He's unbelievable. One liner.

So I want to talk about it. There's this thing in the Bravo community that people talk about how you being like the most desperate person to come back or always wanting and like the first person who's going to call Andy. And it's funny because when I watched that interview from like last year where you were saying why you felt like that ship had kind of sailed for you and you didn't want to do the reunions and stuff. I was like, that's so funny because that's so opposite to how people think of you. And I wonder how you feel about kind of that. Pisses me all. I hate it. Do you want to tell them or should I go ahead might have been my fault I want to kill this girl because I think it's

funny when she comments on post because people pick it up so I commented Ali is my comment on a post for the phone emoji and that was me it wasn't her wasn't me I had nothing to do with that that was Ali I'm not going to argue with people let them talk who cares as long as they spell my name right honestly I was always told that you know just say my name spell it right and we're always but she's definitely not desperate for anyone to call her um but I thought it was funny to participate in this area that was happening. Can you set the record straight on this podcast? Yeah.

So I also think when they announced earlier this year the kind of New York solution that they've come up with with these two, the reboot and the legacy, whatever. I mean, I think that's a compliment to you after being off the show for 11 years that immediately everybody's like, oh, well, Jill's going to be on it. It is a compliment. Okay. So first of all, we talked about this yesterday at home. I hate the word thirsty. It's like a trigger for me. I don't know why, but it really bothers me.

So yesterday, Gary came up with a new one. Do you remember? Oh, that was you. Alyssa, go ahead. What did you tell me? I'm hungry. I like that. Right.

So I'm not thirsty. I'll let someone else have a drink. I'm hungry. I want to eat food. You want to eat food. Wait, what do we say? Hungry is positive. Hungry, yes.

I want to be successful. I don't like thirsty either. I hate that word. Why do I hate that word? I think, first of all people. And by the, if I'm thirsty, everybody on television. vision's thirsty. Well, I think also people, every, sorry, bachelorette, every bachelor. Everybody,

if you're on, if you, if you're successful, you were thirsty, if that's the word. Well, I think also people still just don't like to see ambitious women who know what they want and are willing to ask for what they want and go get what they want. Like it's, you know, it's, that's a thing that, like. But I don't know, I just hate the word. And some people have used it with me and you'll, you know, see, I do not like that word. I'm hungry I like. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm always hungry. So having said in the past what you said about your future with Housewives, when Roney, Legacy or whatever, it's going to be is floated out there, do you feel a hunger for that? Is there an appetite?

Gary, how would I answer that? Gary, how would I answer that question? It'll pick up. That her life is great. It could only lead to problems. It's going to be more work. It's going to be. Who doesn't want to work?

Who wants to play tennis 24-7? Right. Look, Jill, everyone time is your biggest enemy. So Jill wants to make the best use of her time to do things she really loves. And it takes so much time with makeup and with hair and wardrobe. She should not do the show. That's part of it. The other part of Jill is like everyone else, you have an emotional part of you that can't resist.

The rational that says don't do it. Then the emotional, I love being famous. I love this. This was fun. I'm going to do it again. So it's a fight. It depends what day you ask her. Right.

You know, really, really. I mean, it's like, look, at the end of the day, if you look at the history, she should not go back on the show. She should not because she has such a great life now. And, you know. Unless it's financial. In other words, like, we have a brand.

Right. And there's definitely an incentive to, and that's just the reality is to be able to, because my real life every day is working and that would have to be part of it if I was on it, obviously. So for that reason, because I have my beautiful daughter, you know, who's starting her career, you know, building her business and brand,

of course I want to do anything I can for her. But if that wasn't on the table, I certainly don't, you know, need to do it. Right. I don't know. I mean, honestly, they haven't asked me. Okay. So I don't have to answer the question yet. Yeah.

And I don't know the answer. But I think that's... But I can tell you I'm not thirsty. I promise you, I'm not thirsty. That is a good way of sort of clearing the record because I think, I think a lot of people would expect you to answer that question of like, oh, yeah, I'm waiting by the phone every day. Because of that phone emoji.

No, but I think before, I mean, it's like fun to play into it. That's what she was doing being fun, but everybody else took it as. People take it so seriously. Seriously. Right. They're like, oh, Jill. So desperate. She's desperate.

Badgering Andy 24-7. By the way, I will tell you something very funny, though. This I will tell you, which is hysterical. Uh-huh. So when that all came out, Allie and I were shooting. our promos for our merch line, which, by the way, have you gotten any merch from us? Have you seen our merch? Yeah, I have the Beverly Hills sweatshirt, which I love.

Okay, so we have a whole line, everybody. I have a, I don't have it with me, but I have a, Where's Your Diet Coke thing, which I'm usually with my Diet Coke, right, 24-7. And I have all the taglines, by the way, for the Housewives that are on the legacy show. Ali, what are they? Like, we did all these sweatshirts. Bejra, Eva, the taglines. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

All their best taglines from the show. We did sweatshirts. And those will be coming out coordinated with the show. I'm Jolzeran.com. On Jolzarin.com. Which is great because all the fans who are, you know, getting excited, they should buy them because the girls wear them on the show. Because I gave them all the sweatshirts when we were filming and the candles and everything else.

They're live now. They're live now. They're live now. Jolzarin.com. And by the way, we have limited. And once we sell out the girls, mine I'll keep it. I'm not going to reorder. So whatever we have we have.

Okay. Well, I have my, I have my Beverly Hills one, which is very comfortable, very stylish, which I love. That's great. we have New York. I should have won my New York one today. We have a code for you. Can we give it now at the end of the show? Yes, you can say it now. It's Betches 15 on Jillzerin.com, 15% off and Betches 15 on Jillinaally.com 15 off. Amazing.

Everything. Yeah, I love what you guys have done because obviously, like you said, you started with the masks at the very beginning of the pandemic. And I know you had been, you know, doing your own career path. And then obviously things took an abrupt left turn in March 2020. It really is cool to see you guys kind of. evolve and grow this project together over the last couple years. But like Gary said, time is my, you know, most sought after commodity.

And I'm building, I just finished remodeling a place in the Hamptons. And I bought, you know, a very big, you know, house in Florida that I'm gutting, starting July 1. And that's going to take a lot of my time and energy. And that's going to take like a year. So I have a lot of things on my play. Plus, we've got, you know, our brand. I have a new tile line coming out right now. I have a new heated towel racks because I'm obsessed with like coming out of the shower.

I'm obsessed with the whole shower situation. I need to have a hot towel. I need a great, you know, coaler is the best. I have the moxie, which has a speaker built into it. Unbelievable shower had the best pressure ever. So I have that coming out. But can I say comment on coming back to the housewives? Yes.

I think we've talked about this before that you'll never be more famous than you are now. Right. You don't need to do it to get more famous. And I was always scared like, will I get into college? Will I get a job? I was always so scared about the next step in life that doing reality show is like embarrassing. But now I feel like everyone's their own boss.

Everyone has their own brand. I remember mom was the first person that said, buy your own name for your website. Buy your name.com. Now that's the same thing with social media now that your TikTok, your Instagram has to be your name. It's like when a kid is born, you have to buy it all.

Right. You're your own brand now, but I think doing a houseways or not won't really hurt or help you. Oh, it could hurt me for sure. It could hurt you. It totally hurt me. Because I don't think it'll change your life like it did 10 years ago. Like you're not first coming into the house as for the first time.

Yeah. But we'll see. We'll see what happens. There's a lot of risk to it because I have, you know, a reputation and I have, you know, brands to protect. You know, I have relationships with companies. I have licenses. And if you remember what Ramona did with Kodak, you know, where she said, oh, they're so

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They'll say, I really, you know, I mean, Vicky has said it a million times, right? And I think they need Vicky back personally. I mean, I don't work there, but I think that Vicky and Tamara both are missing on Orange County. I do. I think it was a tough season. I don't know. Did you see, you watched it?

Yeah. What did you think? I have mixed feelings about Vicki. I think Tamara for sure should come back. I don't know. I mean, I do think that's one of those things where they let them go a little without a plan in place to kind of pick up the slack. Sound familiar, season four of that size of New York. Remember what happened?

Yeah. Wasn't a good plan, right? There was no plan on place. Yeah. I mean, casting is tricky and sometimes it's hard to know how things are going to work out, but you really have to be. Like, if you're letting go half your cast. So Vicki and I are friends. We're friends from the beginning.

She's one of the ones I can tell you, you know, that we, I was, you know, obviously, very excited. One of your first phone calls. You know, love her, hate her, whatever. Vicki's just real and honest and amazing. And she's a self-proclaimed original OG, and she is. I like to call myself number six because I was a six housewife cast. She was the first housewife cast.

And she really, really wants to come back. And like she says, they're missing the best stuff that's going on in her life. Look what happened. Steve rant for governor. That would have been great. Then he cheated on her with this like 30-year-old, right? And then lied to her. This all would have been on the show.

You know, I don't want to say it's like Brooks again. It certainly isn't. But, you know, it's another relationship with Vicky that blew up that would have been great television. I hate not great for her. But like she says, they missed the whole thing. Right. If you have that producer mindset, there's no denying that it would have been. And she says it.

She says they missed all of it. And it's still going on. Like she's still looking for that guy. You know, and so she trips here and she trips there. And that's television. That's like must watch TV. When you have a relationship with someone, which, you know, Bravo and all. all these networks spend millions and millions of dollars getting fans hooked on their show, right?

They put out buses. They put out ads. They spend money. They do interviews, all that stuff. They get you hooked on the show. But the show isn't the show. The show is the people. And I think they've proven that.

That shows are successful because of a cast, not a name. And they've proven that over and over again with the Housewives of all the cities, the ones that have the casts that live on forever. And the ones where the cast doesn't work, the show doesn't work. Yeah. I think that's why this New York reboot that they're going to do with like a younger whatever cast they're looking for. It's like,

it's a risk. Such a risk because they could find, they have to do it. They could find an amazing cast. Or it could last a season. It's a risk, but they have no choice because we are all aging out.

I mean, that's the truth. I mean, you know, some of us might be collecting social security. I'm on one to Ramona's apartment yesterday with Luan. Yeah, no cameras.

Yeah. They live in the same building. We see Ramona every day. Got my eyebrows on. What do you think? Got them tattooed. She's amazing. What's her name?

I don't know. Karen. Yes. How did you know? Because Ramona Pustard about it. I'm next. By the way, look at my eyebrows, everyone. She is the best because I was so worried they'd be too dark or two whatever.

No, it looks good. I think sometimes when people do the microblading for the first week or so, it looks like a little, a little clownish. Yours look great. But then they may not be as good in a month from now because they're going to lighten up. But I didn't want her to go too heavy because it was my first time. Yeah. They look amazing.

You don't even realize. I had like, my real eyebrow is like under. That's going to have to all be tweez now all the time. She created a new brow for me. She did an amazing job. Anyway, my point is, Ramada was, Romano and I live in the same building. I mean, you can't make this up.

Right. Okay. I moved into her building and I called her. Gary went out on a date with Ramona. Yeah. Didn't you? Tell us the truth. She took you to Mitch Modell's bar mitzvah.

It was his son's bar mitzvah. Anyway, there's so much. Gary Dubin. Gary Dubin. Oh my God. Gary is the new Harry Doobin, everyone. Gary Dubin. Did you ever, did you ever cross paths with Harry Dubin?

many times, but my lips have been sealed on my body, except a kiss hello. I love Harry. Harry's amazing. He's a great guy. He is. And he's got good taste. What can I say? He's got great taste.

He's got after great girls. But anyway, so I went over there yesterday and Luan was there. And, you know, it's like we really authentically are friends. And that's why it always worked. Friends are not friends, fighting, not fighting. Luan and her played tennis last week. I know. I mean, you and Luan have always been tight with each other, whether you're on the show.

off the show anywhere in between. And you know, it's very funny. I don't know if you remember this, but on the last season, 13, when Ebony was introduced to the show, she was in the backseat of a car, I almost fell out of bed watching it. And she said they were trying to get her up to, you know, to get the fans to know how she came into the group or whatever. And she says, oh, I met Luann at Jill Zarin's event. You know, on New York, all roads lead back to me.

Ironically, right? It's very funny. Right. But I mean, yeah, like they don't have to explain that. It's like, oh, yeah, at Chil Zarin's event, we know. By the way, I'm doing my event again. Oh, yeah? I am.

It's going to be July 16th in the Hamptons. It's a ticketed event, invite only. But we will have some, I think, tickets for sale, like on charity buzz and stuff like that. Because we want to keep it, you know, people. Yeah. You're invited. And it's going to be, you're invited. And you have no idea, like the gift, you know, we're known for a gift bag.

Yeah. The gift bags are so heavy so far. And they're not even halfway full. So it's going to be great stuff. Well, you know how to throw a party. You know how to raise money for charity. Well, it's for Bobby, you know, and I haven't done it since. I did it once after he passed and it just didn't feel right.

And so obviously the last two years, we didn't do anything. And, you know, a lot of brands came to me and said, you know, can you do it again? Can you do it again? And I said, you know what? I'm going to do it again, not only because of raising money for Bobby's, but also to promote our brands. Because we've never promoted our own thing because I never really had something like that. So it'll be great. It's amazing.

It's going to, I'm sure it'll be great. It's going to be great. It's going to raise a lot of money for thyroid cancer. So that's what's important. Exactly. What's the rumor again? Gary wants to clear up a rumor. What's the rumor Gary?

So there have been reports on a, I guess it's called a blog or something called Dumois that has some information that seems to have come from a personal source. Allie, are you Dumois? And if you were, would you be able to acknowledge it or admit it? I think I've cleared this up before. I am not only not Dumois, but I'm pretty sure the real Dumas have been revealed. Who's the real? Allegedly.

Allegedly. These two girls, let's talk about it after the show. People that started Bitcoin, definitely. So, Ali Shapiro is not Dumas. I'm not Dumas. Okay, the rumor started because two, you know, girls on TikTok did an deep dive investigation and put all these pieces together

and came up with equals Ali Shapiro, which we thought was hysterical. It's not me. I don't, I mean, you're so busy with your crystal candles. I don't think you have time to be Dumas. I have DM Dumas before, though, and they're very fast. Like, not about giving blinded,

items, but about like commenting on other things because they're so funny. Yeah. And they're very fast to response. Whoever it is. Very good. They don't have a day job. They're not. They're doing pretty well.

Yeah, but it's not me. It's not me. Amazing. Well, this has been so fun. Thank you so much for stopping. Thank you. So how much trouble am I going to be in after the show? Let's say.

How many things did I reveal? I mean, I don't think you revealed. I don't think you revealed much about girls trip at all. I feel like I feel like you were really. Yeah. And a lot of what I talked about was old stuff. Yeah. Because, you know, but thank you for having us.

Thank you so much for being here. Love having you in the studio. We came. We came. We conquered. It's the biggest audience we've ever had. Really? Well, we all had COVID already, so we're all good.

We just had it like a month ago. So we feel good. I don't want to say good. And then I found it. Gary lost it and then I found it. Oh my gosh. Well, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you everyone for listening.

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