Mention It All - Justice 4 Jessel Ft. Amanda Duberman (RHONY)

Episode Date: October 11, 2023

Back from the long weekend, Dylan invites Betches’ own Amanda Duberman to talk Bravo. They start with the report that Kim Zolciak has moved on from Kroy, and what this season’s Winter House cast means for the future of the Bravo universe. Then, they dive deep into this season of RHONY, and why the treatment of Jessel in recent weeks has been so hard to watch. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Your summer starts now with Memorial Day deals at the Home Depot. It's time to fire up summer cookouts with the next grill, four-burner gas grill, on special buy for only $199. And entertain all season with the Hampton Bay West Grove's seven-piece outdoor dining set for only $49. This Memorial Day get low prices guaranteed at the Home Depot. While supplies last, price invalid May 14th or May 27th, U.S. only exclusions apply. See Home Depot.com slash price match for details.

Betches Media presents. Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All. A Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With me, Dylan Hafer. We're going to check me, boo. Hey, everyone.

Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast. I am Dylan Hafer. I'm excited to be back after a long weekend. We've got a lot to talk about. And I am so glad to have a guest here to talk to about it that has not been on the podcast for a while, but she informed me last week that she is up to date on everything. So please welcome back to the show, Betch's own Amanda Doberman.

Hey Amanda, how's it going? Hello, hello, I did tell you. I feel like we are just being fed lately. I am never without entertainments. I am never alone with my own thoughts. It's magnificent. I, yeah, no, I, just thinking about the amount of new shows that we have coming out in the next month, last week was kind of like trailer, Palooza.

I'm curious, between Potomac, Miami and Beverly Hills, all returning in the next month or so, which one kind of speaks to you the most? What are you in your, in your soul most excited for? Oh my God. See, and my soul is interesting. Like in my soul, I am probably most, my soul is probably most, will be most gratified by Miami. They feel good to watch. We have a villain in Lenny that we all, we have like a uniform villain. In terms of like cerebral, what my mind is turning over a lot is definitely Beverly Hills. I feel like it's going to be a season like never before. I can't believe how much in the trailer was about Kyle and Maricio. Like, we're getting it.

Like, I thought it would be kind of like a button, like, you know, it would be like at the end of the season, Kyle and Mauricio have separated, but it seems like it's going to be a real storyline. So my soul is definitely going to be fed by Miami. I think that intellectually, I'm looking forward to Beverly Hills. And, yeah, Potomac is just, they check all the boxes. They give us everything. I agree.

I think it's three really different franchises, but they all are exciting and engaging in a different way. with Beverly Hills, there's kind of a unique ability where even if the season is kind of boring, it still is somehow like so easy to talk about for hours on end. Yeah. Absolutely. I want to go over this story that was circulating over the weekend. I don't know if we haven't talked about it.

I don't know if you had a chance. Here's the headline from page six. Kim Zulsiak spotted getting flirty with Chet Hanks, amid messy Croix-Bierman divorce. Amanda, did you encounter this headline over the weekend? No. No.

I did it. Somehow I was spared. Oh, God. There was a lot happening on social media. Imagine seeing them together. So they, this is what's happening. They are both on the cast for next season of MTV's

The Surreal Life. And they have been filming in Medellin, Colombia. And so TMC reported that they reportedly hit it off. during filming and they were spotted on set, quote, acting flirty toward each other. I mean, this essentially is meaningless, but at the same time, it also is a wild thing to imagine. Right. It's just the proof, like headlines like this just show unequivocally that, like,

celebrity has been flattened. Like, when the Hanks and is, like, when Tom Hanks can be Kim's Olsiak's potential father-in-law, there's just no longer any separation between the highbrow, the low, the low, brow. Like we are all, we are all exposed to one another. Between Chet Hanks and that, uh, random niece that was on claim to fame having a meltdown earlier this year. Yes. The Hank's name has really been, uh, it's, it's being sullied, I think in a way. Yeah. Yeah. I think he's going to have to hire somebody to like scrub the SEO on, on Hanks. It is interesting though, because with the Kim and Croix, there's been so much back and forth. I, I don't know how much you're,

you're keeping up with it, but there's been multiple filings, some unfilings, some really questionable rumors and stories and things. And it is, this headline, even if it's essentially based on nothing, was kind of, it was wild to imagine a Kim Zolsiak post-Croy in a way, because even if they're not together right now, it still felt like they're so wrapped up in each other's bullshit. And so it's like, wait, what is Kim going to be after Kroy? They are united for sure. Yeah. And so it's, it's funny to imagine, like, are we going to get like a messy

celebrity dating era from Kim's Ulciak? And this is how it starts with Chet Hanks. Who else is in that genre? Like, who would be, who would be next? I feel like, is Pete Davidson kind of like the spiritual, kind of like the absolute high of the Chet Hanks genre? Are they different? I mean, I think.

they're different in the sense that Pete Davidson has a talent. But I think in terms of the vibe, maybe they're kind of on the same side of the spectrum. I would say, you know, I could see Kim dating perhaps a former bachelor contestant type of person or somebody from the reality TV world, but maybe a different kind of angle. I could also see her dating another athlete, perhaps, somebody younger. Croy, I think, is younger than her. And I feel like she could kind of dive further into the Cougar realm. I don't know. How about Carl Radke?

How about that rebound? I feel like because I was thinking I was like she would date younger. So who on Summerhouse? I don't think there's anyone on Summerhouse or Winterhouse. Maybe Austin could be funny. I don't know. I don't know. throw her in Winter House.

I'd love to see what happens. Look, as much as I believe that Carl did something to Lindsay and I'm, you know, preemptively mad at him for that, I don't want him to go to the level of dating Kim Zulsiak, because that seems somehow, like, I still don't think he deserves it. No. Like, no good. It didn't work with Lindsay. Yeah.

If he couldn't handle a strong opinionated woman like Lindsay, I don't think Kim Zolziak is really what he needs. Kim Zulsiak on Winterhouse is a really funny proposition. And it's something that stranger things have happened. I mean, this season of Winterhouse, they've been teasing it. It comes out in a couple weeks. It's a really weird kind of funky mix of people, like some below-deck alums I haven't thought about in a really long time. One person from Vanderpump, one person from family karma.

Why not a random ex-housewife who had a spinoff for eight seasons and now is potentially bankrupt? It was Malia on Below Deck who narked on Hannah, right? ultimately? Yes. Okay. Well, yeah, that's that's howard me on her. Well, I don't know why. I was the right thing to do. But I'm curious to see if she, what role, who she narks out on on Winterhouse. When they posted that below deck or that, um, Winter House like teaser poster on the Bravo incident. That was so confusing to me. First of all, it's confusing. But I just can't get over Captain Sandy being on that poster. I'm assuming she really just kind of like pops by the house at some point. I don't think. that she's like, you know, there with them. First of all, she's sober, which seems like a bad, you know, nobody, why would you want to be in that environment if you're no need to be in that environment if you're not going to

get drunk. But also it's like I just don't particularly want to see Captain Sandy on another show. So it is kind of like. I don't want to see her. I don't like her on land, let alone. I don't like when she goes out to their dinners, let alone at Winterhouse. Keep Captain Sandy on the boat. Yeah, keep Captain Sandy on the boat.

I think this season of Winterhouse will be an interesting experiment, if nothing else, because the first two seasons, obviously they threw in some randos and some newbies, but it was so tied to the Southern Charm and Summerhouse origin stories and timelines and all of that. This season feels like an attempt to truly make it kind of its own thing in the mountains. And I, it could work. It could be really fun. It could be like an alternate version of girls trip, kind of. But I, I don't know.

I've, the cast is just a little bit like, okay. Yeah, right, right. I think Bravo, you know, they, it sort of demands that you watch pretty much all of those shows. And to be fair, we do. We do. A lot of people do. But yeah, like it might be, I'm curious to see if people get invested if like they don't know who Mali is.

They don't care. Or like, like, you, this, you've said this before, like, not enough people watched Family Karma. That was a great show. But like if they're not invested in the drama, but it also could be kind of an interesting way to get people to look back in the archives. If they like completely fall in love with a character on a show or a franchise, they haven't checked out.

And then they watch it. It could be really genius. Yeah. A lot of people I talk to are very much into like, I watch every housewives. I watch Southern Char, but like below deck is just too much for me. Like,

because it's on year round at this point. There's so many different franchises. And so that I think is. they haven't really ever integrated below deck into the sort of like Bravo, you know, fun house of carnival mirrors and stuff before. Yeah, I am on my below deck. I am binging so much of it right now. I'm watching like season five of the original right now.

Season five of the original. That's... I looked on a list that was like, here are the ones that you should really watch. I think this is one where like, I think they got rid of a lot of people. Is that like... And this one, they did like a lot of turnover. Are they in Thailand? Maybe that's season six or something.

I don't know. I've watched a lot of below deck in my time, but I have given up on trying to like remember every person who's ever been in seconds to. Like it just isn't worth it because, you know, usually only a handful of them kind of stick around from season to season. And it's like if I were to have that kind of encyclopedic knowledge of every person who's ever stepped foot on below deck, like I would not be able to get out of bed in the

morning. I would not be able to... Somebody does, but not us. Yeah. I have no object permanence when it comes to below deck. I watch a season, it just washes over me. I have no idea what happened. I just like to have it on in the background

because it's like you sort of feel like you're on vacation. Yeah, it's a good background show. And I think that's why, for the most part, it's not like I'm trying to recap it every week because it's like... Yeah. I mean, okay. It's pretty much the same every week. The guests were a nightmare.

The laundry wasn't done. Right. Obviously, the down under storyline this year was probably like the biggest, most mainstream, most like worth talking about across the board on every podcast thing but that was fortunately pretty extraordinary yeah it's a good show to to you know keep your finger on a little bit and then every once in a while it flares up but it's like i it's there are only so many hours in the day yeah i just drop anchor from time to time exactly so good so good so good everything you want for summer is at nordstrom rack stores now and up to 60% off stock up and save on the brands you love

like Vince, Sam Edelman, frame, and free people. Join the Nordy Club to unlock exclusive discounts, shop new arrivals first, and more. Plus, buy online and pick up at your favorite rack store for free. Great brands, great prices. That's why you rack. Girl, winter is so last season. And now Springs got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes.

Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs. You're thirsty for the sun on your shoulders. that perfect hang on the patio sundress, those sandals you can wear all day and all night. And you've had enough of shopping from your couch. Done hoping it looks anything like the picture when you tear open that envelope. It's time for a little in-person spring treat.

It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. I want to talk to you about Roney. We have one more episode left in this season before the reunion. And I don't think you and I, in real life or on Mike, have talked much about this season. So I'm curious, sort of broader than just this week's episode, how have you been experiencing this season?

How has it hit for you? I feel like I, I don't know if I genuinely feel this way or I'm just like, like picking up on what a lot of people are saying, which is that I do enjoy the show. Does it feel like housewives? I don't know. I think there's like they're, they're a little young. They're a little too, like they know too much about the show. show to really be putting themselves out there.

Like, if it was called something different, I would still enjoy it. I'm going to watch it when it comes back. But yeah, I don't know. It doesn't have the same kind of, like, like, the women are too, like, they're not sweaty enough. They know what they're doing. They're not like, you're never going to get like a, I also wonder, like, I've heard a lot of people say that this core group, like, they were not existing friends to the

same degree that other founding cast were. Is that true? So, like, all the other founding cast like had. existing relationships. I think that it really, really varies from show to show. I think there are, I mean, obviously, if you think about something like Real House

Eyes of New Jersey, there were multiple different family connections within that cast, and that's like a completely separate vibe. I think most of them fall sort of in the in-between space where it's like there's two or three of them

that had an actual friendship before, and then there's a couple more of them that sort of maybe ran in the, you know, they always say like the same circle or whatever. And so they maybe knew each other in some way. But I do think it's really interesting, like reading Heather Gay's book, for example, she talks about sort of the, the genesis of that show. And it's like, yeah, like people knew of each other a little bit and had met each other maybe. And, you know, we're like excited to be. friends with each other. So I think it's a little bit, I think it's a little bit disingenuous to be like,

well, everybody else was an existing friend. Yeah, I agree. We're just like thrown together. It's like, I don't really think there's any Housewives show where it truly was like we found six friends and put cameras on them. I think that almost, it does a disservice to the job of casting, which is hard. Right. Like, honestly, like you find like, we live in New York City. If you assemble seven women my age, a little younger, I'm probably going to know of, like, know of a couple of them. I wonder if my tolerance for it is higher because it's New York and I live here. So I'm like, oh, that's funny that they bleeped that restaurant. Oh, she lives on, I can tell she lives on that block.

Whereas like, but I felt this episode especially, the Monday's episode felt like, is this really a storyline with them like bullying Povit and Jessel and being obsessed with them? Like, is this interesting or is this like all they have? It felt a little bit like grasping at straws. It was hard to watch. Like, that's what Housewives gets tricky for me is when it's genuinely hard to watch. Like, when they're fighting and screaming at each other over something stupid and Sonia, like,

yeah, she's kind of ruining her life, but it's still funny. Like, this is sort of getting to, I'm like, we're at the finale. There's nothing big that needs to be resolved. There's nothing I'm looking forward to. I don't, I like, I don't love any of these women. I'm not, I would be fine if I didn't see any of them come back, but I'm also willing to give them kind of like another chance to see. how they came off. I think some of them have

potential. Like I like what Sy's like getting at. I think her aim is just off. I don't know. How are you feeling? I think, yeah, there have been definitely some peaks and valleys this season. I think the last few episodes overall have probably been sort of the weakest

stretch, which is unfortunate that they're kind of, it feels like ending on a little bit of a low note. But I think what it comes down to is that obviously when you're putting together a season of a show, like this, it really benefits you to have multiple balls in the air, multiple different kind of larger things at play, both group dynamics and individual storylines. And I think with,

especially with these last few episodes, as you want things to kind of be like almost like crescendoing toward the end of the season, it's felt like this through line of whatever is happening with Jessel and Pavit, which is really nothing is happening with them. It just is they're going through the normal ebbs and flows of a couple with young kids and whatever, it feels like because that's the only real thing they have going on, that they have to focus on it so much. And I think it feels probably worse than it is because there's not enough other noise happening. That it's like, yeah, like when they have this triple date couples night at swingers

that Uba then also shows up to with her beatnik bag, like eating her, you know, Uber hot sandwich or whatever. Right. Like the only thing that they have to talk about in terms of like the group storyline is Cy being annoyed with Jessel and also them not believing the thing about the Vietnam flight and also the thing about, you know, them not having sex. And it's like, right. Okay.

So like you're just, you're picking three different angles of the same thing. whereas ideally there would just be more to talk about. Right, exactly. This is not a big enough issue where you need to bring it up to the husband. Like, I don't even want to go to swingers, let alone watch people at swingers. Like, minigolf is like so bold. Why are we even here? I do not care.

I never need to hear A Bleachie's voice again. Like, what are we doing here? And that's when like that were the ekey parts to watch because, and that's to me what told me that these people aren't friends. at all because like if that's like your actual, listen, like, like you said, like I have a very like, as a married person one year, I had my one year anniversary yesterday. So I'm basically, right, right, right, right. Moderating couples therapy. It's like, you just like don't, if people are happy and you know your friend is happy and we can tell when our friends are

happy and when they're doing well. And I think Jessel is happy. I think she's a happy person. Like the fact that they wouldn't like your, your relationship goes through phases and intimacy means different things at different times and whether it's a chronic issue in your life is up to you. You might have other things like they're watching Abe and Aaron like it's hilarious to me that Aaron like by continuing to bring this up she put herself in the position to be absolutely mortified by her husband when he was like oh yeah if you didn't have sex with me I'd fuck other women. I'm like yeah serves you right Aaron for continuing to bring this up to other people in front of your husbands and making fun of them like for no it was just so gross it was so gross to me and

that's when I started thinking more about like, oh, these people just like aren't friends because even times when like, like, it is below the belt. And like, obviously like Karen and Giselle go out of each other in ways are below the belt. But like in a way that like, I don't know, you can tell there is like a deep friendship there and a background there with this. It's just like, it felt cruel and like hurtful. And it's like, I don't know what they are getting. Like, why are you keep talking about this man's flight to Vietnam? Who, who cares? And the fact that like, I'm curious to see how this turns out at the reunion. And all I kept thinking is like, Pavit is not a bad looking guy and he's clearly wealthy. He does not need to fly across the world to pay for sex. He can, he probably, he can take a run on

the West Side Highway and like get it for free. It's fine. So like, what are they doing? Yeah, I think it became clear so early in the season after Jessel shared the information about her and her husband's intimacy situation. It went from genuine concern. It went from genuine concerns. for her, like, making sure she felt like, you know, supported and, you know, sexy or whatever. So quickly it turned into, like, fodder for the group. And it feels like that's just been kind of like multiplied by Aaron and Cy, especially, over the course of the season. And so now we're at this point where the scene at the very beginning of the episode

when Cy, like, calls Aaron on FaceTime to sort of debrief about her lunch with Jessel from the prior episode. And she's like, well, Jessel told me that she and Pavit had sex, but she needed 25 minutes to warm up. Like, what are you in oven that you have to preheat? It's like, there is no explanation for talking about it in that way, except for you wanting to be catty. And that's where when when Jessel says the mean girl thing, it's like, that's, that's exactly what that is. There's no, there's no tone of concern. There's no like, wow, I'm so glad that our friend.

is figuring this out with her husband, which we actually do get more from Jenna. Like, Jenna is the one who has the supportive reaction where she's like, that's amazing. I'm glad you're feeling better. Like, I just want whatever. Like, it truly feels like Sai and Aaron have decided that this is something,

like, wrong with Jessel. And that it's so, yeah. Yeah. Which is so strange for Cy because she's having, like, what I think is, like a legitimate frustration with Jessel who admitted, oh, I brought up my alcoholic uncle to try to relate to you. And as Cy and Jenna was like, yeah, maybe not because like a mother is different. It was, it was recent. Like, I thought Jenna was a star in that moment too because she was like,

it is just a little bit. It is a little bit. So I'm like, why is Cy amplifying this as like the issue she has with Jessel when the, when the late to lunch is like known incredible housewives fodder, it's just making them look like, it's just, yeah, it's making them look really catty, really unkind, really cruel and mean-spirited. It's just like a gross thing. Like, if I was having a funny friend conversation with my friends, I was like, yeah, it took me 25 minutes. And then one of them shared it with another friend like, how Amanda was joking this, it took her, but that's clearly not what was happening. Like they were making fun of like her personal lubrication. That is so messed up. Yeah. And I think it, like, when you think about the context of what is,

a housewives source of drama. Just watching Dylan try to figure out how to respond to her personal lubrication. No, but like when you're, you know, all of these women are on the show for the first time. There is a certain, you know, learning curve to figuring out, okay, what is the appropriate level of something to be like housewives fodder versus a real conversation that we need to, you know, sit down and have? And I feel like this sex thing, it was a moment at the beginning of the season. They were able to make some jokes about it.

I don't think there was anything wrong with, you know, kind of if they are friends, you can give each other a hard time about stuff, whatever. And then you can sort of let it go. And then later in the season, Jessica could be like, you guys, it's so exciting. We figured it out. And it would be like this like clink the glass. Yay. Our friend got fucked moment.

But instead, it's this thing where it's like this, you know, just, almost badgering and, you know, not letting it go. And I think it sort of, it obfuscates, like, the things in this dynamic that are worth being annoyed about. Like you said, the thing with Sy and her mother and Jessel kind of creating these false equivalencies in her own story, that is a genuinely frustrating thing to encounter with somebody that you're trying to get to know. And I think that while I, you know, overall am more team Jessel in this, like, larger picture, sure. I think that that's something she could probably work on a little bit. And I do wonder, again, you mentioned the reunion. Watching the season, I could see Jessel kind of being like,

oh yeah, it's a little bit. That felt a little bit off when I said that in the conversation. But because Cy and Aaron are so kind of focused on not letting the ball drop on these other things, it's like, well, I end up just kind of feeling bad for Jessel again because she got yelled at for 20 minutes at Swingers. Yeah. It seems like watching them keep going in on the Vietnam thing, it's like, are they trying to suggest like between the like intimacy lapse and him going to Vietnam that they're just marriage is bad and maybe he's having an affair?

Because that's also just like, oh, like maybe that's their goal. But I don't understand like to what end. How does that, how does that benefit you? And that's like when we saw Jesselike in tears at the end, that's what I was sort of like feeling like they really genuinely. do not wish her well and they just want to be proven right that her husband sucks because he listen I was telling like again people you never know who somebody is behind closer he speaks inelegantly he the way he described like they've been married a long time like he's right

life is long to just have somebody to hang out with and doesn't give you a hard time who you enjoy that's amazing that's fine like leave leave them alone yeah it was pretty telling also at the end of the episode when brin has emerged from her uh COVID exile. And she says that Aaron called her and told her that Pavit wasn't wearing his wedding ring at Swingers. And then Jessel's like, he lost his wedding ring like years ago and we never bought another one.

So like factually Aaron has never seen him wear a wedding ring. It's one of those things where people, um, in the social media age, people love to parade around like so and so unfollowed ex person on Instagram or they're no. longer following each other, XYZ. And it's like, that's seen as like credible evidence of a breakup or a feud or whatever. I remember that used to always happen with Lala and Randall because they had publicly talked about how it was unhealthy for them to follow each other on Instagram. So they did it.

That's funny. And like every three months, somebody would be like eyes emoji. Lala and Randall aren't following each other on Instagram. And it's like, yeah, we've been known that. Right, right. Yeah. It's so interesting because it's like, I feel like you haven't seen Housewives before really insist on each other having like their preferred type of marriage. Like I feel like Erin and Sy just can't accept that maybe Jessel's marriage and her relationship to her husband at this phase in their life is just different than theirs.

And they just like can't, they just can't accept it. And it's interesting because Jessel does have some genuine issues, but it's coming off as a hero of the season because she is kind of really delivering in those moments. There's a theory. I want to I want to caveat that this is like. extremely alleged and like I don't personally have any tea on this, but there has been a theory that I've seen on social media a little bit in the last week or so that Sy's husband, David, was with someone else when they met and whatever, details, details allegedly subsequently, you know, ended up with Cy. However, those dots connect. And so there's a theory

that perhaps Cy could be sort of like externalizing some of her intern. internal shit about trusting people and what commitment means and what that should look like. Again, I don't know if that's a true story. I don't know if that's actually where she's coming from. But I can see that a lot of Housewives drama honestly centers on people just mentally thinking that somebody should be a different way than they are. And I feel like with Jessel and Pavett watching the season unfold, there were moments early in the season where some of their scenes together, it's like, do these people like each other?

Agreed. They seemed so not on the same page. But honestly, I think this season has done a good job of sort of conveying that that's how they talk to each other. That's how they exist with each other. They seem happy. She seems happy. And she doesn't seem like she needs to justify any actual harm in her life.

He does not, he's not, he can be a little aloof. He's not the most like sweet talking husband. but like she seems happy. And that to me, that's all, like if she seemed miserable, then it would be worth all of this conversation. But like she seems happy. They have a dynamic that works for them. Back off.

Yeah. I think the reunion is going to be super interesting from a content perspective, sure. But also just from how these women react to sort of the public perception of the show. And I think that it feels like maybe Cy and Aaron were imagining that this would be perceived one way. And instead, I see so much love for Jessel on social media. I posted yesterday just, like, tweet about, like, what if we just let them live their lives?

It got so many likes and comments. And, like, Chanel, Ion is in the comments. Hannah from below deck. Med is in the comments sticking up for Jessel. And, like, even going back to the first few episodes of the season, people were, like, very iffy on Jessel's whole vibe. And so I think the way, yeah. The way that she has sort of like rode the waves a little bit and now really seems kind of like the logical one in that dynamic.

Right. I could see I could see Cy and Aaron kind of really being bothered by that depending on how they've been taking in the reaction. It's so interesting. Like housewives that are, even if they're problematic, some housewives like are genuinely entertaining but not judgmental. Like I don't find Jessel very judgmental. and she is being judged, like she's ridiculous and she says ridiculous things, but I just don't find her to be judgmental or mean-spirited. And that will just count for like, it's amazing how much that counts for,

like when she's done all of these, like, bizarre things throughout the season. But yeah, it will be interesting to see how they kind of defend themselves after seeing themselves and seeing how people, like, reacted to what they, how they behaved. Study and play. Come together on a Windows 11 PC. And for a limited time, college students get The best of both worlds. Get the unreal college deal, everything you need,

to study and play with select Windows 11 PCs. Eligible students get a year of Microsoft 365 premium and a year of Xbox GamePass Ultimate with a custom color Xbox wireless controller. Learn more at Windows.com slash student offer. While supplies last, ends June 30th, terms at AKA.m.m.S. College PC. All new drinks are now at McDonald's.

with refreshers like the strawberry watermelon refresher, and the mango pineapple refresher with popping boba, to crafted sodas like the Sprite Berry Blast, with berry flavors and cold foam. Who knew ice cold drinks could be so fire? Try them all now at McDonald's. Refreshers contain caffeine. Copyright 2026, the Coca-Cola Company.

Sprite is a registered trademark of the Coca-Cola Company. Okay, quickly. Lots to talk about with Roney. I want to get your opinion on Salt Lake. How are you feeling about the great Angie K. Monica, Lisa, Meredith? Like, what's your take on this season so far? It's just such an embarrassment of riches. It's like Salt Lake used to be one where I could kind of look at my phone in the background.

And now I'm like, no, no, I'm putting her away. I'm closing the drawer. It needs all of my attention. They're all just, they're all like firing in all cylinders. they're all playing their characters. And like, yeah, this is one where you kind of like, it's amazing how the stakes vary. This show is always really high. It's either Jen going to prison or somebody's husband having a gay affair.

That's bananas. After we just came off this late to lunch, like, oh, my God, is this woman's straight husband having sex with her enough? Now it's like, oh, God, this guy. I mean, I think she's a great addition for the storyline. I don't like personally, it's interesting because she doesn't do anything for me personally, but she's like throwing the storyline to chaos and she got Meredith to say, rumors so I love that.

I know. I think Angie Kay is she's really, she's flying close to the sun and I think. That's why she needs those big sunglasses. Those face shields from Gucci. I could see, you know, by the end of the season, I can envision a world where people sort of come around on her, but right now it is kind of like a, it feels like we're watching a satellite explode a little bit. No, I have no fondness for her right now. I don't feel like she hasn't done anything that.

have made me go like, oh, I like that. Or that was a good comeback. She just sort of, yeah, she seems like she has no, like, whereas like, Aaron and Sy, like, they are aiming somewhere. Their aim is off, but they're aiming somewhere. I don't think Angie Kay's aiming anywhere. She's just firing in all directions. She's throwing everything at the wall and, and trying to God that something sticks on,

on Meredith preferably. Well, Amanda, I am glad we were able to catch up today and you'll have to come back later this fall when we have so much more going on. Always a pleasure. Always a pleasure. Thanks, Dylan. Yeah, I will be, I'll be texting you on the side, my additional dispatches and thoughts, as always. Amazing. Well, thank you. And thank you everyone for listening. Don't forget to rate review and follow the show wherever you listen. You can follow us on Instagram at Bravo by Betches and follow at Betches News for everything that Amanda's working so hard on all the time. And until next time, be cool.

Don't be all like uncool. Mention It All is produced by Dylan Hafer, Sean Kilby, Jorge Morales Pico, and Rebecca Sousmacat. Editing by Jorge Morales Pico, social media by Dylan Hafer, guest booking by Dylan Hafer and Ali Friedlander. Be sure to follow at Bravo by Betches on Instagram and Twitter. Yamava Resort and Casino at San Manuel is California's number one entertainment destination for today's superstars. Catch the Jonas Brothers return to the Yamava Theater stage on April 30th. The powerful vocals of Demi Lovato on May 7th. and the signature Southern Country Rock of Eric Church on July 19th.

Tickets on sale now at Yamava Theater.com, only at Yamava Resort and Casino, celebrating its 40th anniversary. U.N. must be 21 to enter. Betches.