Mention It All - Kenya’s Last Twirl (RHOA & Southern Charm Reunion)

Episode Date: April 7, 2025

Dylan is back for another week breaking down Bravo mess, starting with a pair of Housewives who aren’t doing themselves any favors. Erika Jayne is once again in hot water for not crediting an artist, while Ashley Darby is making tributes no one asked for. From there, it’s a deep dive on a highly anticipated RHOA episode, where Kenya orchestrates her own demise. Where does the season go from here, and does the punishment fit the crime? Dylan also has some final thoughts on season 10 of Southern Charm, mostly based on JT’s dreadful treatment of Venita. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We're going to check me, boo. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mentioned All podcast. It is Monday. We are recovering from the White Lotus finale. We're recovering from Kenya Moore's last episode of Real Housewives of Atlanta, question mark. I do feel like I know that HBO and Bravo

don't owe each other anything when it comes to their cross-programming schedules. Choosing to air this episode of Real Housewives of Atlanta the same night as the White Lotus finale, for me personally, you know, forget about anyone else. For me personally, that was stressful because I am seeing tweets about Kenya didn't have to do all that. You know, free Kenya. What's happening? You were lower than hell while I'm sitting down to press play for a 90-minute finale of the White Lotus. And look, if you don't watch The White Lotus, I mean, congratulations for not giving into peer pressure or whatever. But 90 minutes is a long time to sit down.

And so having this episode of Atlanta, I can't say that it was an escape because watching this episode really, I had a pit in my stomach the whole time because it's just, You know what's coming and you don't want it to be what you know it's going to be. And then it happens. And it is we will get more into Real Houseways of Atlanta. We have some other stuff to talk about first. But I promise we will get into all of it. I want to talk a little bit about the Southern Charm reunion, which wrapped up this past Thursday. I thought it was three parts the whole time I was watching.

Turns out it was only two. So, you know, it's like 39 minutes in. And Andy's like, JT, do you think you learned anything this season? And I'm like, wait, what? suffice it to say, I enjoyed Southern Charm this season. I could have done a third part, easy. But first, we have to talk about two of our beloved Bravo ladies who have kind of been out there showing their asses a little bit. Not physically.

Well, you know, depending on the day, just online, on TV, doing things that don't need to be done. And this first I want to talk about Ms. Ashley Darby and her insistence. on some sort of music career. Is career the right word? Ashley Darby still fancies herself a singer. And this is tough because, look, do I love coffee in love? It tastes best when hot. I get it.

Seeing her shake her little ass at Virginia Gay Pride five years ago on TV, that was a cute moment. It was funny. I live for it. Do I need to see or hear? Ashley Darby giving a soulful rendition of Roberta Flax killing me softly on live morning television, I'm going to go out on the limb and say that, no, I don't. And to Ashley, I'm so sorry. I don't mean to be rude. I don't feel like I'm being rude when I say that maybe that's not your path in life.

So I'll back up a little bit. So last week, as I alluded to, Ashley appeared on Fox 5D.C., a local morning news channel show, whatever, in the studio doing a live rendition, as I said, of killing me softly. Now, this was uploaded to the Fox 5D.C. website with the title, Ashley Darby pays tribute to Roberta Flack. Roberta Flack, of course, the legendary iconic musician who passed away in February. She was in her 80s. You know, she's a legend. Many people have made tributes to Roberta Flack. I would argue that Ashley Darby didn't need to do that.

And I do – this raises a question to me of where is the line between paying tribute to somebody and just singing a song? because she just got up there and sang it. And I'm like, I guess you could say it's a tribute because she recently passed on. But is this like, are we doing anything to honor her legacy here? Or is it just a real housewife getting up on the news and kind of hitting some notes, kind of not hitting others? Ashley is somebody who like, she can, she can carry a tune. Like, if you need the tune to get from point A to point B, Ashley will get it there. But it might be some stumbles along the way.

She might not have a firm, solid grip on the tune from start to finish. And that's where I would say to be on live TV, singing a song like that, if you're not, if you don't really have firm hands all over the tune, maybe you would be best served in a different venue. And then, so she was on the news. You're wondering, why was she doing this? It was to promote her Ashley Darby Live show over the weekend. I guess that's a thing that's happening now. They were raising money for a charity. So I don't want to be rude.

But, you know, this was the promo for the event. So if you loved what you heard on Fox 5 DC, you could get a ticket to go to Ashley Darby live. And turns out at Ashley Darby Live, she did it again. So there's a video going around of her at this live show. She has a band. there's a saxophonist. And she's saying, oh, my God, you saw me on the news. Ha ha. It wasn't great. Look, we didn't do justice to Ms. Roberta Flack. And, you know, I could blame other people, but I don't want to do that. Look. And it's like, first of all, like, blame other people who the notes were coming out of your mouth. Maybe you could say there was like a tempo change or you, you know, somebody else messed up. But like, you didn't not mess up, but so she said, we're going to do it again. We're going to give

it another go to honor the late great Roberta Flack. And besties, let me tell you, it sounded exactly the fucking same. Ashley Darby, I, I love you. But I just think that maybe coffee and love and killing me softly are not in the same ballpark. And perhaps, perhaps you should be playing in the minor leagues, the coffee and love memorial baseball field. But speaking of another housewife who has maybe committed some wrongs in their music career, Erica Jane kind of can't stop putting her foot in her mouth or just like she keeps doing this thing that seems like it would be really easy not to do if you didn't want to have a reputation of being somebody who is a little bitter and isn't very good at crediting the people that they work with or who work for them or who they

collaborate with. Because I talked last week about how at part one of the Beverly Hills reunion, Andy asks, who made Erica's dress? And she goes, oh, some designer, I had it made, some random designer. Easy opportunity. Name the goddamn designer. Turns out she did it again. It turns out she did it again. Again, and I should have clocked this when I was watching the reunion, but Andy also brings up that Erica had a song in one of the best movies of the year, Anora, which when they taped the reunion, it was nominated for a bunch of Oscars. It ended up winning a bunch of Oscars. And Erica says, oh, yes, you know, it's a feature, it's a feature, but it was really cool. Now it's up for best movie, whatever. Who goes on TikTok? But the actual main artist of that song, Brooke Candy, who is. a well-known artist in, you know, I would say the like Charlie X-E-X adjacent music circle. Her song Drip that Erica is featured on, of course, is in Anora. And she's basically saying it's a two-part TikTok video. And obviously she is frustrated that in that moment at the reunion, Erica just said, oh, it's a feature. But yeah, it was really cool. Again, say the name of the person whose work you're talking about. It's so simple. Just. Just say, oh, yeah, it's this Brooke Candy song that she asked me to feature on. It was really fun. You know, congratulations, exciting, whatever.

But Brooke goes on to say in her second TikTok about this, that this is not the first time that Erica has kind of done this exact thing. Because she says when the song was featured in an aura, Erica hosted a private screening of the movie at the AMC Theater at the Grove in Los Angeles. And that she invited all these people. it was influencers, fans, whatever. Brooke was not invited. She said, that's problem number one. Why am I? You're hosting the screening because your song is in the movie.

It's actually my song that you're featured on, whatever, not invited. And then Erica did a whole post about this event talking about thanking the fans, thanking the movie, thanking, you know, who, God knows who, but not mentioning Brooke Candy, again by name a single time in the post. And so Brooke says that after she saw this, first of all, she was pissed because she's like, this is really like obnoxious that you're just acting like I had nothing to do with this when in fact, Erica does not have a writing credit on this song. It was like a feature that she came in to do. And then so Brooke says that she texted Erica. She has screenshots that she texted her basically super nicely just asking if she could credit her, tag her in this post. Basically, she's like, it's good exposure, yada, yada, yada. Brooke is. not stupid. She knows that Erica has a lot of fans, a lot of followers, a lot of visibility because of the platform that she's on. And she's just asking for her, you know, a tiny, slight bit of acknowledgement as the person who made this happen. But it just is, it's, it's frustrating. To see Erica kind of making these same, you could call it a faux pa, you could call it a slip up, you could, you know, that's maybe giving her the benefit of the doubt, because you're could also say that this is just indicative of Erica's character and that as a person and a, you know, a professional, that she kind of has a pattern of not paying people, not crediting people,

not copying to things that, you know, maybe she's involved with. And I could see where this would make people not want to work with her. I, you know, at the end of the day, it's, it's a feature in a song that was in a movie. I don't know who made money from that. I don't know whether Erica was intentional about that, but it just feels like it's such a simple thing to just say somebody's name, to just give somebody the credit. And I would invite Erica to really look at this feedback that she's receiving. The designer who designed her dress has also been talking about this on social media. And it's like, this would be a really easy moment, a really easy win for you to say, let me make a post about this person. Let me tag them. Let me say it out loud. Next time I'm on watch what happens live. talk about this and really just like show that you're growing, show that you're changing. I don't know. Go stream, go stream Brooke Candy's music because it's a lot of fun. I like Brooke Candy. Your summer starts now with Memorial Day deals at the Home Depot. It's time to fire up summer cookouts with the next grill, four-burner gas grill on special buy for only $199.

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where the train has already left at the station and you know that there is nothing you can do to get it back on track. because I talked about last week's episode. It was, you know, really shocking to see the way that Brittany handled the end of that dinner at the bank. The vault, the bank. I think it's called the bank, but it looks like a vault. I don't know. That was shocking to see. I had a lot of thoughts. I still have a lot of thoughts about that.

I still think that Brittany should have been, you know, disciplined in some way. I still think that that was a major vice. of whatever, whether it's a real code of conduct or whether it's sort of the agreed upon standards of what falls within the realm of acceptability on these shows. But this week, at the very least, what we can say is that Brittany quickly changed her tune and accepted that she had said and done some things that are not cool. And she tried. She tried to work her way back from that. From the beginning of this episode, we saw her at Shamiya's house with Shemia and Angela. Shemia and Angela, who, by the way, you would never know were having a knockdown, dragout feud just two episodes ago.

They really seemed to be moving forward with the spirit of the olive oil bottle and trying to find some peace, which I appreciate. Look, we are still only five episodes into this season, and especially now knowing that Kenya is gone, we are really going to have to work together as a group to complete the assignment. Obviously, we're going to get an additional group member with Fadra coming in whenever she does, but it's going to take everybody on board. And so I'm glad that Shemia and Angela are sort of putting aside their, you know, battle of the noses and, you know, both being, I think, the bigger person. But I also did appreciate this week that Brittany off the bat was like, I don't want Kenya to feel like I am, you know, going to be dangerous to her. I don't want her to feel like I would physically hurt her. And Shemia and Angela do their part and say, you need to tell her that. Because from what happened in the parking lot of the bank dinner, there's no way that Kenya wouldn't have those feelings.

There's no way that she wouldn't interpret the things that Brittany said that night as, oh, this bitch means trouble. And I don't want to be around her. I don't want her to be around the group. And we need to kind of get rid of her. So Brittany quickly is kind of, you know, trying to make things right, which I think is, it's important. She does say, she's like, that's who I am when I feel provoked. And it's like, well, I mean, perhaps that's something to work on. because Kenya obviously wasn't being like warm and fuzzy to her at this bank dinner.

But at the same time, this is real housewives. If every time somebody comes in your face and calls you a peasant and says that they don't need to be nice to you, if you're bringing out the talking about the whips and the pistols, maybe this isn't the forum. And I still, look, in this week's episode, I think that Brittany made a concerted effort to patch things up. She knew that she messed up last week. But I still have my eye on her in the sense that if after, you know, two weeks of filming, you were at the point with Kenya where you were provoked to the point of invoking a gun, alluding to a gun, we've got a lot of season left to go. A lot of people are going to try to come for you. This is real housewives.

You can't be pushed to the limit that easily. And this is something, we've seen this. we've seen this play out on Potomac with the Candace and Monique situation. We've seen this play out in New Jersey with kind of some of the long-term family feuds and, you know, nights at the Brownstone way back when that you have to be able to keep yourself behind the line in a certain way. that there are things that once you do them on a show like this, once you say something, once you maybe bring a foam board with some photos to your event and want to share them, there are things that are difficult, if not impossible, to come back from. And Brittany, I think, four episodes into being on the show, she had her toes all over that line.

And maybe she didn't cross it, I guess from a production standpoint, they felt like it was okay to let her within the fourth wall of the show figure out that she made a mistake and work on her behavior. I don't know if that was the right decision. But I think it's undeniable that that was a really dark place for it to get to so quickly. And that if that's Brittany's kind of first line of defense, that this platform maybe isn't going to be the space for her long term. I don't know enough about her to know that, but for her to say, well, that's how I am when I get provoked. It's like, babe, you might get provoked 12 times in a season. You might get provoked next week. And so you either have to figure out a different way to cope or you might cross that line

sooner rather than later. And there might not be a way to come back from it. And maybe she got lucky that Kenya crossed the line faster and further than she did. Because we see, you know, Kenya is really, she's shaken by what Brit did, but also I think that she is, she just is, she feels motivated in a way to retaliate against Brit. And, you know, she says when, when Portia and Kelly go to the hair spa kind of on the, the prep day for this big event. She says there's nothing I did or ever said to her that would have warranted that kind of clownery. And that is true, objectively. But then 20 minutes later, we see Kenya do something that nothing that Brittany said or done could have warranted. Because let's be clear, Kenya printing out those photos, doing her research as she says, printing them out,

blowing them up, bringing them to the event, and showing them publicly. We saw there was press at this event. We saw there were, you know, bloggers, other friends, who knows, fans, models. It was not a cast dinner. It was not a private party. This was an event. And sharing those things publicly, nothing that Brit said, no matter how out of pocket it was, no matter how uncalled for, warranted that response from Kenya. And so it was, it was frustrating to see Kenya being so right up to a point, but then taking, taking it and just going further and further beyond that in a way that I don't think anybody could defend. And you saw that earlier in the episode, Angela's saying that she is team Kenya. Cynthia is always going to ride for her girl. Portia and Kenya have come such a long way. And when Portia is at, the hair spa earlier in the episode. First of all, Portia has never looked more beautiful on this show.

She, her hair and makeup flawless, but this, when she's at the hair spa, she's wearing this like butter yellow outfit, and she just looks stunning. I don't know what Portia has been doing, but she is so fucking pretty. But she also, she is riding for Kenya. She's saying this whips and pistol stuff we need to get to the bottom of it. And I was actually, I was a little, I was a little skeptical at the beginning of the episode because when they're at Shemia's house and it's Angela and Shemia and Britt talking about it, they never actually bring up specifically the whips and pistols thing. And I was a little nervous that they were going to treat this like some fourth wall kind of,

we're going to talk about it without talking about it type of thing. And I really feel that it's important to be for real about this stuff. That this wasn't just, oh, Brit said some mean stuff about Kenya and Kenya said some mean stuff about Brit. It's like, no, that was a violation, I think. And, you know, when Cynthia hears about it, she's like, she packing? Like, that's the question we need to be asking. If she says that she's always, you know, strapped up, that's important. But then, you know, it goes the other way. And, uh, Kenya just, she just brings it all down. I don't know. All the photos that she has on these foam boards are blurred out. The final one that I believe is a literal sex act, we don't even see. They're like, Bravo's not going to show this. Blurred out or not.

We are not getting fined today, you know. It just, one of my questions is, would this have gone the same? same way if Britt didn't show up to Kenya's grand opening. Because Kenya said earlier in the episode, she had invited the whole group. She had not personally invited Brit, but the whole group was invited. And she had not uninvited her. So Brit decides to come. She shows up with Kelly late, by the way. Not, I don't know. Traffic in Atlanta, I guess. But they show up late. Kenya doesn't think Britt is going to come. Britt, in fact, comes with flowers and a car. and she's trying to make amends. Kenya ignores her when she says hello. It's the whole thing.

Brittany leaves the event. She says, if I'm going to be ignored, if she's not going to speak to me, I'll leave the flowers, but I'm not going to stick around at this event of somebody who hates me. So she leaves the room. By the time Kenya has started making her speech, Brit is not there. So she doesn't physically see the stunt that Kenya is pulling. So that makes me think that Kenya was going to do this regardless of whether Brit even showed up to that event. And, I mean, case in point, she obviously had these visual aids printed out and ready to go. And this is, this is, I think, the biggest issue, aside from the, you know, literal violation of Brittany, that it feels like Tenya was doing this as a stunt on purpose.

And if she wanted to bring up a conversation about Brits past, or she wanted to even, you know, even in a mean way or a nasty way to confront her or to expose her or to try and turn other people in the group against her, there are a lot of different ways she could have gone about that. And she chose the most public, the most noisy, the most disruptive route. And I think it's really, you know, important that not a single person in that cast was like, period, you did what you had to do. No, because right off the bat, I mean, Kelly leaves to go find Britt before she even starts pulling out the poster boards, really. you know, Portia and Shemia, they're not having it. Angela's out there on the sidewalk with them. Drew and Cynthia are the only people that are even still left inside at the end of this whole display. And Cynthia, I mean, kudos to Cynthia. First of all, she's a great friend of all the time.

But she is a real friend to Kenya in that moment going up to her and saying, look, congratulations on your grand opening. But this was beneath you. And this was, you're too good for this. and you didn't need to do this. And Kenya, I don't know exactly what was going through her head in that moment, but she's like, you're right, I am too good for this. And it's like, but babe, like, you just ruined this for yourself. You're saying, oh, I'm too good for Brit because she's what, a slut or a hoe or whatever. No, you just showed that you have just as much, if not more stuff to work through than she does.

And, you know, the episode ends right there. Portia's like cut the cameras, dead ass. I'm so bummed out about this. And Cynthia was on Watch What Happens Live last night. And what she said, which I think is the exact right sentiment, is that it's just, it's sad that Bravo really had a vision and a plan with this season 16 cast. They took a long time between seasons. They, They made a lot of moves. They brought in new people. They brought back old people. They put together the recipe for this season and watching those first few episodes, the recipe was hitting. It was coming together really nicely. And in a way that I think a lot of people were not necessarily sure it would. And so knowing that after five episodes, we're not going to get to see the vision that they had. for this season play out, it's sad. And I think that, look, I have mixed feelings about Kenya not being back for the rest of the season. Mixed feelings in that I think that obviously people should be held accountable for their actions. And I still don't know if Kenya has really, really owned up to the problem with what she did. She posted a statement on Instagram after last night's episode that was basically just like thanking everyone for helping with the hair spa and you know she like wishing luck to the cast for the rest of the season which i mean i

guess that's nice she could go scorched earth and say fuck this fuck that fuck everything but it's almost like she's posting around the actual issue here and i remember when this first went down last summer when the news had broken that Kenya wasn't going to return to filming after this, because it took like a week or so for that to be official, Kenya went on Instagram live. She like announced that she was going on Instagram live. And I was like, oh, fuck, I got to, I got to tune into this. Kenya's going to address it all. And I remember, I literally, like, stopped in the middle of the sidewalk in New York because I was like, okay, like, let me, let me watch this. I don't want to be like walking down the street watching an Instagram live because, you know,

then I'm going to run into somebody and, you know, cause a scene. So I stopped watching this. And I think I stayed for like 20 minutes in this live because I'm thinking, okay, Kenya's, she's going to get to it. She's waiting. I'm just waiting for a few more people to join, you know, ha ha, ha, thank you, twirl. Yes. And this entire Instagram live just ended up being her talking about her hair spa.

and basically, you know, doing a wink and a smile at any question that anyone was asking, not acknowledging anything for real. And, you know, maybe there's contracts. She's not allowed to talk about everything. But it was just, it felt like such a concerted effort to get people to like not pay attention to what she did. that it's like nobody's talking about the hair spot. And for you to act like that's what people want to talk about, it's either delusional or it's manipulative or I don't know. I think Kenya is, I mean, she's an iconic housewife. She's an iconic villain on this show. And I think sometimes

it's easy to get lost in the sauce a little bit. And it seems like that's kind of what happened to Kenya here. And I don't, I don't know if I see her coming back from it. Because I don't know, going into next season of the show, we have no idea kind of how that's going to play out. But also, it's hard to, she would have to kind of swallow her pride. And I think admit that what she did was really wrong and uncalled for and maybe even apologize to Britt. And that seems unlikely to me, but never say never. I don't know.

I'm still excited for the rest of this season. I think there's a lot of good pieces in place. I mean, just this week, we got some really interesting moments with Angela. She is going through it with her mom and her sister, and her husband sort of seems to not want to be involved at all. That was, that's an interesting look. I'm still really interested to see kind of what's going on with Kelly and Shemia and Portia and Porsche and, you know, all the ladies. And I'm excited to see kind of how they introduce face. how quickly that happens, if it's going to be treated like a fourth wall thing or like,

I heard y'all need a Kenya doctor, whatever. But yeah, I mean, RIP Kenya more on season 16. It was fun while it lasted. Good sleep is everything. That's why Ali's science back support is made with a blend of melatonin and L. Deonine for both kiddos and grownups. So when your mind won't switch off, you've got something that can help. You're racing thoughts and restless.

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And I did think the reunion was pretty solid. Overall, I was glad that JT did show up. I thought that his dynamic with Vanita was fascinating. And, you know, to Vanita, I would just say I am rooting for you always. And in that sense, and with that in mind, I am rooting for you to excise JT from your life. Girl, get out of there. What are you doing? This man does not respect you.

This man does not treat you like the friend or like the, you know, wannabe love interest that you deserve. I think that JT, a lot of the stories he's telling, a lot of his timeline doesn't make sense. Vanita pulling out the text messages to show that, you know, he claims that she ghosted him in this past fall after they had been dating, hanging out, whatever. The text showed that she had basically said she needed space. He tried texting her like two more times. And then the next day went Instagram official with his current girlfriend. I mean, truly like the scum of the earth kind of vibes.

But for Vanita to say that she still. wants to date J.T. And she still wants to be friends with JT. But she doesn't think that she can be friends with JT while he's dating this woman because she knows she doesn't like her. This is the one moment where I was kind of like, okay, I think JT's girlfriend, whatever her name is, I think she has a point. Because first of all, Vinita, you're saying on TV right now that you still would like to date

him. And we have seen from this season that JT. when he was dating this woman still kind of couldn't keep it together around Vanita. He was going over to her apartment. He was kind of viewing it as a date. He went to her hotel room in the Bahamas. Like, this is a man.

If I were his girlfriend, first of all, girl, you better get out of there too because he's not good news. But if I'm watching the show, of course you're not going to like Vanita. Of course you're not going to want her around. Because she's, you know, they're both saying and she's, showing us that they have this magnetism around each other and they just, you know, they just, what's going to happen is going to happen. And it's like, if I'm the girlfriend, I'm like, excuse me? Like, no, like, we're together. Keep it in your pants.

I was glad to see. I felt like, I felt like Craig and Austin and Shep made some, made some progress. Austin admitting that he is scared of Craig, I think, was accurate, if nothing else. I think that Craig, I mean, I think Craig needs a little bit of a TV timeout. I have, you know, I've enjoyed the season of Southern Charm. We're still seeing kind of the last phase of things on Summer House this year. But I really think he just needs to, like, go away for a minute and, you know, focus on himself. take care of some of his issues. If he doesn't, you know, if he just wants to sulk by his, you know, beautiful backyard pool and not hang out with the boys and not drink and not do anything, that's fine.

But like, just stop making your shit everyone else's problem. Because it feels like everyone in this cast saying that they're, you know, Craig has an anger issue and they're scared that he's going to blow up at them and this, that and the other thing. like you're a 30, I don't know, 38, 30 something year old man, that's not attractive. You should not be creating a dynamic where numerous people in your life are scared to be honest with you, are scared to open up to you, are scared to spend time with you because they think you're going to have a connipion and, you know, accuse them of being a bad friend and accuse them of this, that, and the other thing, like, get your shit together. What are you doing?

And the montage of him lying and him being like, well, you know, I was, that's not a lie. I can speak to all of that law, the law school. I walked across the stage. I just didn't have a credit. It's like, bro, get over it. The fact that he's so unwilling to admit that he might have told a lie on TV in like 2015, it's like, that to me shows that you haven't grown as much as you.

want to say you have. If you had really grown that much, you would say that was a different person. I acknowledged I had a drinking problem. I acknowledged I was doing this, that, and the other thing, in 2016, 17, yeah, I probably was lying on TV because I was not in a good place. So I would love to see Craig. I feel like Craig this season talked a big game about where he is in life and how, you know, matured he is and how elevated. he is and how busy he is. And I think next season, I would like him to work on telling less and showing more. And maybe showing up for people.

Maybe figuring out what other people need from him and being a little more conscientious of that. And I know that we saw a lot of him and Paige working through their stuff this season. But like, if these friendships are important to you, act like it. And if they're not, then maybe say that because that would be good TV also. I don't know. Ten seasons of Southern Charm. We finally got Patricia at a reunion. For that, I am thankful.

But that's really all I have to say. It was a good reunion. Not an outstanding one, but pretty good. And sometimes you'll settle for pretty good. And I hope that this has been a pretty good episode. Thank you so much for listening. We will be back with more later this week. In the meantime, don't forget to rate, review.

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