Mention It All - Kyle Hits A New Low, RHONJ Is Off Pause, & RHOBH Melts Down

Episode Date: March 27, 2026

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See Store Online for details. Hey everyone, welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. We've made it to another Friday episode. If you're watching on video, you will see that I am not in my usual beautiful studio surroundings. We had, I was going to say technical, I think you would say electrical difficulties in the studio on this Thursday afternoon. So I am recording for the comfort of my own home. But thankfully, those electrical difficulties did not get in the way of us having a great recording earlier with two more of our Southern hospitality OGs. Mia and TJ, I had a great time chatting with them.

Ooh, Mia, first of all, Mia is stunning in person. Absolutely gorgeous. She's not afraid to get shady. I had a good time talking with her and TJ. That'll be out next Tuesday. And of course, if you have not already listened or watched this past Tuesday, we had two other Southern Hospitality, OGs, Maddie and Joe, in the hot seat. So go check out that episode if you haven't already.

Southern hospitality, they're like the, girls right now. And I mean, boys and girls, but like the girls, they're having a great season. They've, they've had nothing but great seasons, to be fair. But if you're not caught up on southern hospitality, I would, I would check on that for yourself, because I think it's something you really, you owe it to yourself to give yourself the treat of being a Southern hospitality viewer. And speaking of, watch Ladies of London. I am, to be honest, not going to get into it today because we simply probably won't have time. But I have found out the season of Ladies of London that I was panicking might only be six episodes. It is at least eight episodes. And that is good news. Eight,

I feel like, is just like if we're not hitting eight, what are we doing? I don't want to go on this rant again. But it seems like we are hitting eight. So I will stop complaining about something that's not actually an issue. I wish we were getting more than eight. I'll say that. But I got to move on. Next week, we are going to have a lot to talk about because next week we have the Real Housewives of Rhode Island premiering brand new. I think I'm going to be, I think I'm, I think I'm going to be meeting some of them next week. So I will report back on next Friday's episode. And of course, the Valley season three premiering next week. It is an action-packed corridor on Bravo because of course, then Real Housewives of Atlanta premieres the following Sunday. So make sure you're subscribed to

strap in. Most of the time, I'm not sitting in my apartment. It feels, um, it actually, I used to record from home so often, especially before we were on video. And now I'm like, why am I not wearing shoes? It feels, like, we're going to push through though. We've got a left to talk about. I first want to start with the news that we got earlier this week that the real housewives of New Jersey is coming back. You guys, it is not dead in the water. They took, you know, they took a couple, they took a couple, they took a couple years off to rest. And now it's game time, bitches. I don't love quoting Nikki Minaj in 2026, but you know, it's game time, bitches. And, you know, the players in the game we found out are going to be Melissa, Teresa, and Dolores. Now, is this surprising to anyone under the sun

who knows who Melissa, Teresa, and Dolores are? No, this, I mean, it's not a surprising announcement. The one, the piece of it that was the most potentially surprising was that we got this announcement on Monday, Tuesday, Tuesday, Monday, earlier this week. And the day leading up to the announcement, we knew that something was coming with Jersey because Margaret Joseph's took to Instagram to share the news that she would not be returning to Real House House House of New Jersey. It's been close to two years since we even had New Jersey airing. It's been closer to three years since they have filmed.

So it's been a long time. For most of that time, the answer to what's going on with New Jersey is nobody knows. If anything's going on, nobody knows what's going on. Nobody knows who's going on or going off. The one thing we had gotten toward the end of last year was that Jennifer Aiden had posted sort of an unsolicited statement on social media saying that she was bowing out of Real Housewives of New Jersey. Now, at that time, it seemed a little bit more like she read the tea leaves that she wasn't going to be asked back. With Margaret, it's interesting because she said in her video

that she posted that she was in talks with the network for months. I think she said since December of last year, and if you haven't checked a calendar lately, we're nearly in April. So this has been something that has clearly been percolating for a bit. Margaret said that she was, you know, in talks with them to come back and that they were, you know, going over, you know, just what it would look like. I don't know. I don't know how these talks actually go. But that she had decided and crucially, she says that she decided to walk away from Real Housewives of New Jersey. And she said in the video, you know, of course, the Marge has to, you know, get the last word. she said that she was actually on set currently for another project that she's filming while she was making this video announcing her departure from Real Housewives of New Jersey. Now, I don't know what Margaret's filming. I don't know what she's doing. I don't know if it's, you know, it could be an Instagram sponsored post. I hope it's something real. I love Margaret. Margaret has given us so many great moments on Real Housewives of New Jersey. But I think it makes sense if we are truly trying to enter.

a new era of Real Housewives of New Jersey. And if that new era was going to include a Teresa and a Melissa who are seemingly according to them, apparently allegedly still getting along since BravoCon, Margaret was going to be the piece of that puzzle that would have been tricky. Because of course, Margaret and Teresa have not gotten along in a long time. did they ever really get along? I think they tried. I think they pretended to try, acted like they were trying. But not only does Margaret not get along with Teresa, crucially, crucially, Margaret really does not get along with Louis. And if you're going to have Teresa on the show,

I wish this wasn't the case. I wish it wasn't the case. If Teresa's on the show, Louis on the show. and I could see how Margaret could sort of read the cards and say, okay, they're going in this Melissa Teresa isn't the family so happy being back together. Maybe that is going to make it challenging for me to have a place on this show that isn't based in that old negativity. And so, you know, I'm bummed that we're not going to get more of Margar. grit in that sphere. Never say never, because you never know, but it made sense. And then just a few hours after that, we got the announcement. You know, the post on the Bravo socials is back better. You know, referencing is bitch better if you, if you miss that one. That it's Teresa, it's Melissa and it's

Dolores. And I don't know. It's hard because it's like I'm happy that there is a next chapter. I'm happy that they are doing something because I think for a long time, the thing with Jersey was just like, what are we waiting for? What's the, what's the, what's the, what's the goal here? Because, you know, there was talk at one point of will it be a full reboot? Are we doing a completely new New Jersey? That obviously wasn't the case. There was talk for a long time of, is it going to be Teresa or Melissa? Who's going to be the top dog? Is it Teresa, the OG of all OGs? This show took a year off when she went to prison so they wouldn't have to do a season without her. Were they going to pick her and build a new version of the show around

her? Or were they going to say the Teresa and Louis thing is a little toxic? Melissa can kind of get along with anybody except her sister-in-law. Maybe we'll keep her and cut Teresa loose and build the show around her. And then they waited long enough that what ended up happening was Melissa and Teresa said, okay, we got to think of something quick. And now we're getting a version where they seemingly can coexist. People have, of course, been extremely skeptical about this relationship between Melissa and Teresa. And now we're going to get to watch it play out on the show. I think people are not necessarily super excited to watch it play out on the show. Because it, It feels like the two options are either, we watch this sort of manufactured version of two people getting along with each other because they know or they sense that their combined business opportunities in the future are going to be more lucrative if they can make it work to get along.

And that doesn't seem that fun to watch. Or the other option is they're getting along right now in the same. second the cameras go up, that's all going to go to shit. And we're going to be right back where we were for years watching Melissa and Teresa hate each other's guts. And specifically, Teresa hate Melissa's guts, I think more than the other way around. And, you know, while there have been some great moments in that, you know, TV canon, is that really where we want to be back at in, let's say, 2027? I don't know about that either. So I am, I understand why people are sort of mixed about the actual prospects for this version of New Jersey at this time.

I want to be optimistic. I'm happy that something's happening. I think obviously it makes sense that Dolores is staying around. I'll be really interested to see now that we have Dolores on Rhode Island as a friend of and she's going to still be on Real Housewives of New Jersey. Like, is Rhode Island like a one-season gig just to kind of give them a little like um-f? at the beginning and then we're going to assume that she's kind of stepping away from that or is she going to like is she going to like summer in new jersey and i guess spring in in rhode island i don't know

like how does that work we've never had somebody do that and i don't know if it would make sense like i don't know we'll see we'll see how much dolores is even on real house size of rhode island but the jersey girls are coming back no jacky jacky really just ending up looking like a fucking clown. I mean, really. The way that she groveled and sucked up to Teresa for a whole season and went through this absolute humiliation ritual of being Teresa's friend. Seemingly, I would say, to try and secure her place on the show. Two years later, there's no place on the show to had. She posted this video where she said that she was offered a full-time roll and turned it down and people were like, girl, what? And then edited the caption to say it was a joke. My dear,

call it quits. It's done. It's over. It's canceled. Jennifer Aiden, obviously not coming back. You do have to feel a little bit bad for the trio of like relative newbies with Rachel Fuda and Danielle Cabral and Jen Fessler. Because they really, to me, are the casualties of this interim period in New Jersey because they were both they were all on for two seasons. I think they were all relatively strong casting, particularly I think Danielle and Jen Fessler brought good energy to the show. Like they were good at being on housewives. But I think unfortunately for them, when you have a show like this that, really is in a place of crisis for a couple years and then they're they're thinking about how to

bring it back. If they're deciding to keep the three big pieces of Melissa, Teresa, and Dolores, they kind of have to get rid of everybody else for it to feel like enough of a change to warrant the amount of hand-wringing that there has been over the future of this franchise. Because if you kept the three that they're keeping and then also had Jen Fessler and Danielle Cabral, suddenly that's people, that could be a full housewives cast on its own. And then it's sort of like, what did we take all that time off for? So, you know, I'll miss, I'll miss them all in different ways. Some more than others. Some not, I won't miss them all. I'm good on Jackie. But Jersey coming maybe later this year, maybe early next year, we'll see. But it's common. It's coming. The Salt Lake ladies have

been filming. New York is in production for better or for worse. We're going to have some housewives. Oh, see, they're, you know, getting after it, I guess. Let's talk. Let's talk. One of my favorite stories that came out this week is that TMZ reported on the details of Candy and Todd's divorce settlement. And I feel like this is some of the most granular information we have gotten about a celebrity divorce and it just so happens to be a celebrity divorce that is like right in our wheelhouse. So I want to talk about some of the details in this divorce settlement because first of all, you know how they always say like have an ironclad pre-up? I think this was a candy-coated pre-up.

Like candy is laughing all the way to the bank to take out one 426,000 lump sum check for Todd. But that's the only check for Todd. she's going to be taking out because so he's getting like I said 426K as a lump sum but no child support and no spousal support. So essentially he gets the one time deal which is you know 426K nothing to sneeze at but let's be real. Candy is worldwide. Candy has shmoney and you know Todd has been involved in a lot of business ventures with Candy over the years. I'm sure that they are still going to be, you know, each receiving some kind of earnings from those business ventures. It's not like, you know, with stuff like old lady gang or stuff like, you know, some of the

productions that she was doing. When they were producing things together, like they both, I assume, had a financial stake in that. So it's not like that just goes away and goes straight to candy. But when you are living a lifestyle that involves nearly a dozen vehicles, Atlanta Hawks, Courtside Season tickets. 426K only gets you so far. Let me just say. And so going down the list of these details, so Todd will get six cars, which includes a Mercedes G-Wagon, a Porsche 911.

Do we say 9-11? Is that awkward? 911? See, I don't know the Porsche things. Rangerover, Ford Bronco, Lincoln, and Ford Transit van, while Candy keeps five cars, including a Bentley SUV, an escalator. a Ford F-250. Get that pickup truck, girl.

A Porsche Cayenne and a 63 Camaro. Good for her. So they had 11 cars between the two of them. Good for them. Truly good for them. Candy keeps the Atlanta Hawks season tickets, which I think are courtside seats, which an NBA season,

like home games, there are 41 home games in an NBA season. And to think about having court side seats for 41. games a season. I'm sure that there is some like bulk discount. Again, this tells you how much we're not in the same league because I'm like, I don't know how fucking season tickets court side at the Hawks work. This is really interesting. Candy gets to keep the tickets, but Todd had to pay candy $38,000 for the outstanding balance on the Hawks tickets. So basically, there was already

money owed and I'm assuming that Todd has been the one using these tickets for the most part. So he has to pay her. But then he's paying her and then he doesn't even get to go to the games anymore. That is like such, I feel like that's such like an Atlanta status symbol. If you're sitting courtside of the Hawks and Candy's like, that's not, that's my lifestyle. That's not Todd's lifestyle. Certainly not his lifestyle moving forward unless he finds another, you know, successful woman. The couple will share joint legal and physical custody of their kids, Ace and Blaze. I think people forget how young their kids still are. Ace is like 10 years old. Blaze is only like six or seven. So the kids are still little. Candy will keep control of the kids passports. I guess that's important.

They're going to sell their food truck that they own together. I'm like, they have a food truck? Sure. Of course they do. But my favorite thing. So they're keeping the real estate details private. Sure. Why would I want to know these details? Clearly, I'm not invested. I'm not nosy at all. But Todd must move out of Candy's guest house within 15 days of the parenting deal being signed. I'm like, girl, go get you a home. But the best part, truly the detail that sent me over the edge, they're splitting, their credit card reward points. Who, child, not the MX points. Like, I guess I just wouldn't think of credit card points as like an asset in that way, but how many points do we think they have? I'm like, what's a normal amount? Like I, no, I was going to say how many MX points I have right now and

I don't think I should. I would say I accumulate points at a rate where I am usually able to book a flight with points like a couple times a year. Like, I don't know. How many points do Candy and Todd have? Is there like a candy-coded rewards club? Could I join? Honestly, you know how Amanda and Bowes have their financial courses or whatever? You know whose course I would take?

Candy Burris. If Candy had a... I was going to say she should have a candy-coded course, but it can't be... It can't be course with a K. If Candy had... If Candy had the worldwide course... I would take it. I would like to learn.

I would like to learn how to be worldwide as well. And I think others would do the same. She could make millions just like Amanda Francis. Let's be real. She's already making millions. She's doing okay. So good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now.

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This episode was one of the most anticipated episodes of Summerhouse in a long time because Andy Cohen said over the weekend, last week, sometime before the episode aired, that this week's episode was like the worst Kyle episode we've ever seen. And obviously, that bar is not on the floor. If you're saying this is the worst behavior Kyle Cook has exhibited in 10 seasons of Summer House and three seasons of Winter House, the bar is quite high. The bar is at the ceiling. And so when this episode aired, obviously people were like watching, you know, with hawk eyes,

like the hawks tickets, candy gets to keep. People were watching really closely and being like, okay, is this going to be the worst that we've ever seen Kyle? And of course, there's debate after that people are like, I don't think that's the worst we've seen Kyle. You guys, it's pretty bad. Because this episode picks up where we left off on, you know, a night out on summer house. Everybody comes back to the house. Everybody's, I think it's safe to say, drunk.

And Amanda is honestly more in the mood to hang out and to stay out late than she usually is. I mean, normally they come back from going out and Kyle's drunk and Amanda's already, fast asleep. But Amanda is hanging out with the other guys, like on the patio in the back. And Kyle is just like the type of fucked up where you're kind of a little past the point of like hanging out with anyone and you're sort of just like in like goblin mode a little bit where you're like too drunk to sit down and just like hang out. You're like stumbling around the kitchen, you're, you know, bumping into stuff. This is the kind of drunk that you get where you wake up the next morning and there's like blood on the bathroom floor and you realize that you have like a cut

on your foot and you're like, what the, where, I don't even remember. I don't remember cutting my foot. I don't remember being in pain. I don't remember like cleaning, cleaning that. I like, what happened? I guess blacking out is what I'm describing or like brown at least. But Kyle's the kind of drunk where Amanda and the boys are like hanging out in the back. And Kyle is just like pissed off at the idea that she doesn't want to hang out with him. And to me, watching it, what was so frustrating is like the obvious answer to that is like she's just sitting in the backyard talking. If you want to hang out with your wife at this moment, just go join the group. But instead, Kyle in his like drunken stupor is cooking up this cooking, you know, C-O-O-K-E cooking,

cooking up this idea that Amanda is spending the whole night hanging out with, as he puts it, his friends and not talking to him and ignoring him. So he's grabbing his fucking like, you know, Bluetooth speaker and bringing it out to the backyard and just like, talk about pathetic. He's like shaking his hips dancing alone in the backyard, like 10 feet away from where Amanda is sitting with the guys. And it's like, you're the one making this weird. Of course Amanda doesn't want to hang out with you because you're acting like a Neanderthal.

It's not rocket science. And then he says, fuck you. Everybody else is like taken aback. And Amanda's like, no, it's, you guys don't. It's don't make it, don't make it a big thing. Whatever. It's fine. But obviously it's not fine.

Because, you know, the outside group kind of dissipates. And then we see that Amanda is, is crying. And Kyle is still just like, you know, stomping around the house in, you know, sicko mode or whatever. And then there's this extended scene where Kyle is complaining. about Amanda and, you know, just talking about Amanda and, you know, just over and over and over again about how, you know, she hates him and she's hanging out with his friends all night and ignoring him. And, you know, it's like you're, you know, she hates me. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's weird because it's, it's hard to tell exactly who's where because we can't see them

for most of this time. I guess because this is happening so late at night, We only have the cameras that are like positioned in the rooms and there's probably no crew there like filming them. So it's it's more, it's more of an auditory experience than a visual. But the icing on the cake or I guess icing on the cake is a good thing. The, the pile of shit on the cake is when Kyle says, and I quote, he calls Amanda a fucking dumbass bitch. And simply there is nothing that Amanda could say or do or I mean would say or do or has said or done that would warrant this kind of treatment in any way. I think it is somewhat fair to say, oh, Amanda, you know, doesn't want to spend time with me or oh, Amanda, it seems like she hates me or she, you know, she doesn't want to be around me. Like, yeah. Kind of yeah. But to go around and to call her a fucking dumbass bitch, grow the fuck up.

Just like, shut up. What are you saying? What are you thinking? And of course he's not thinking because this whole time listening to him talk, he's so fucked up. And it's, I mean, we've seen it a million times. Kyle gets like this. But it's just, it's brutal to watch.

And it goes on for a long time. And I think the reason that it was positioned that Andy, you know, called it this, you know, worst Kyle we've ever seen or whatever is because it feels like, and, you know, the next day on the episode, we see this in the reaction from everybody in the house and the way that Sierra's talking about how they need to separate and, you know, West is checking in on her before she goes to bed. And the way that everybody else is clocking Kyle's behavior and responding to it is so much more real than it ever would have been in the past. That in the past, it's like, oh, my God, Kyle and Amanda, you know, they argue so much or, oh, they're always fighting. But like, there's a

difference between when this sort of switch flips where it's like this couple that seems like they love each other also fights a lot or this couple that they're always at each other's throats, but at the end of the day, they're always going to, you know, whatever. It's like, not that that's healthy. You know, I don't, I'm not like saying that people should have that kind of relationship, but I think it's easier to sort of tell yourself, oh, it's fine. They're just kind of, that's kind of how they, it's kind of their love language or that's kind of just how they operate. But with Kyle and Amanda this season and particularly this episode, there's just no version of this where you could watch it or hear it or know about it and say, oh, they'll work it.

Oh, it'll be fine. Oh, yeah, whatever. It's just like, you know, just kids. No, it's bad. And so, you know, Sierra saying at the end of the episode that she thinks they need to separate for a while and Ben and Jesse are like, oh, really? Oh, man. Oh, man.

Oh, okay. Hey, it's like, yeah. Yeah, they do. Thankfully, Sierra can speak for the rest of us because she has eyes and ears and a brain. And then at the end of the episode, Kyle kind of breaking down about this a little bit and saying, this got me also. He says, I have so much invested in my marriage and my business. And I'm just trying to hold on. And I think that the way that he phrased this is kind of indicative of a big problem. in his marriage is that he views his marriage and his business as similar entities that he has invested in in similar ways. And of course, when you are in a long-term relationship, when you're married with someone, when you're building a life together, of course you're invested in that. But the way that you're invested in that is not the same that you're investing in your alcoholic canned beverage business that you're trying to get into Whole Foods, the type of thing that you should be investing into a marriage is time and sacrifice,

you know, aligning your priorities and, you know, making compromises with someone and building a life together. And I really think that Kyle deep down sees this marriage as something that is like a part of his brand or business or livelihood or whatever. And that just is to me like the last thing that should be on your mind when you're thinking about is my marriage going to work? What I've invested in it in the same way as lover boy.

It's like those should not be in the same conversation. And the fact that they are, I hope can sort of open his own eyes to like, yeah, you got to get out of this relationship because it's not healthy for either. I mean, obviously, Kyle calling Amanda a fucking dumbass bitch is like the last thing I want to watch on my television. But it's not a healthy relationship for either of them. But you know what is kind of seeming like it could be a healthy relationship and I'm loving? It's KJ and Dara because KJ has invited Dara to the house this weekend and told her to bring pajamas. And he's a little nervous.

And seeing two people on this show in this environment who are, are starting to enter into a relationship and watching them both actually put effort into making sure that they are feeling good about the direction it's going, making sure that they are having healthy communication about things that are bothering them or things that are concerning to them and actually like having real adult conversations about their feelings, it shouldn't feel so strange on Summerhouse, but it does, and I love it. Because there's this situation earlier in the episode where Lindsay tells KJ that Bailey said that when Dara was at the house before, she spent an hour in Ben's room.

And what was she doing for an hour in Ben's room? I mean, first of all, Lindsay Hubbard, thank you for your service. She is the bone carrier this season, and we certainly need one. But Bailey is a little messy. And she's not there this weekend. So she, you know, can't tell her side of the story. So KJ is obviously a little, you know, flustered by hearing this story from Lindsay and knowing that Dara's about to come and he

likes her a lot and she's coming, you know, to hang out with him. And so when they sit down and Dara's like, hey, what's it? I can tell that something is like, bother it. What's up? And he's like, you know, I heard this story. This is what I was told. And Dara's just like, oh, yeah, that didn't happen. And if it did, I would tell you and there would be a reason, but it didn't. And so it, you know, I'm, I'm

confused and frustrated why Bailey would be, you know, making something up. But the actual important thing in this moment is that I like you. I'm here because I like you. And I wouldn't be here if there was some ulterior motive or I wasn't, you know, actually interested. It was just so refreshing to see two people on this show connecting in a way. They haven't known each other for very long. They haven't. It's not like they've been dating for six months. They are just getting to know each other. And they are clearly both moving in a direction of taking this seriously. And the thing that you do when you are sensing that a relationship with somebody could be real and important to you is you start to organize and orient the way. that you're handling things around prioritizing that relationship. And it just, it felt so mature.

And it felt so nice. And we know KJ and Dara are like in a relationship still. KJ has, has, has is calling her his girlfriend in public. And it's not like this weird situation ship that we're not going to know until a year from now. Like, they're together. And it's, it's fun and kind of exciting to see the beginnings of this on this season. And I'm excited to, to, to get to continue watching them. And I just hope they're happy. I hope these crazy kids, I hope they're having fun. They're having fun, being safe and having a good time.

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because I feel like this episode was much more interesting. And, you know, it's kind of, I would say the subject matter is largely the same. Beverly Hills is not the kind of show where we're, like, moving through a lot of storyline from episode to episode. So I do feel like you can sort of like dip in every two or three weeks, and the pieces on the game board have not necessarily moved that much. But things are getting a little more spicy, I would say, specifically between Kyle and Derreet and Erica,

which I'll talk about in a second. But first I want to talk about this chat GPT debacle at the beginning of the episode. Because we start, we're still at Villa Bibiani in Tuscany. I just like, I want to go there. Every episode that they've been there, I'm just like, I want to, I want to be there. I want to be where Jennifer Tilly has taken her topless photos in the pool. I want to be walking around an abandoned Tuscan town where the only man in the entire place,

seemingly is a dude with a gelato truck. I want to go to Florence for an afternoon and, you know, mistake the fake David that they have out in the public square for the real David and talk about his cum gutters. I did, I got messages from a couple of you last week about the David scenario. And I know. I had it in my notes last week. I didn't talk about it. The real David is inside in a museum in Florence that you can go see that I, I have seen. I went to the museum. They have a replica David out in the piazza where the women were. So when the women are lusting after David, that's not even the real one. And the thing is, I don't know. I'm sure some of them know that. But the thing is, these women, they're not going to a museum. They're not even thinking about a museum.

Kyle wants to go to Botega. The other ladies have their private Dulce and Gabana shopping appointment. And famously, there's nowhere that you can buy Botega or Dulce and Gabana in Los Angeles. It just can't be done. So why would you go see the real David when you could see the replica in the piazza? Okay, rant over cum gutters, erasing that from my mind. Let's talk about chat GPT. The last thing, the last thing I usually care to talk about. But Sutton tells Amanda, in the morning when they're getting ready at Villa Bibiani,

she says, you know, yesterday when we were in the car home from Florence, Erica typed your name into the chat thing. And Amanda goes, GPT. Yep, that one. I just love, I love that Sutton lives in a world where she can't remember the letters that come after chat. I wish to be like that. Not a big chat GPT user, if you couldn't tell. But, you know, to each their own, I guess. But Amanda says, well, they must have been looking at bad reviews. Because if you just Google me, their reviews are really good. And if I didn't have happy customers, then I wouldn't be making millions of dollars on my course.

And so maybe Bose is upset that she's not making million dollars on her course. And turns out, when Amanda brings it up at the vineyard, Beau says that they just asked who is Amanda Francis. And, you know, it said that she has this course, money queen, blah, blah, blah. But then it also said all this negative stuff. And Amanda immediately goes to her talking points of, well, you know, 80% of people who buy a course for me,

buy a second course. And I have less than a 3% refund rate, which is unheard of in my industry. You know, normally the refund rate is much higher for online services. And so, you know, it just seems like crazy that you would find this negative stuff. And Rachel, like, is the, the absolute voice of the audience this season. Because she just goes, I don't know why we have to do this in the vineyard. It feels like the wrong vibe. It's like, yes. It is definitely the wrong vibe. Because we have had this conversation eight times already.

And while I am not 100% on Bose's side in all of this, I agree with Bose. when she says part of the issue with Amanda is that whenever somebody brings up Amanda's business, Amanda jumps into defensive mode, but I think more than just defensive. Because I do think it's fair to be defensive when somebody is obviously skeptical of your business, of your, you know, course or whatever. But Amanda's method of defense is going to, but it makes millions of dollars, but it only has a 3% whatever rate, but 80%. She goes to the stats and the dollar signs and the amounts so frequently. And that to me is where she would lose me in this conversation because I'm like,

I believe that you believe in your product or I don't know if I believe that. Whatever. But I would appreciate you telling me about how much it means to you versus how many dollars it's made you versus rube versus rhaps. battling off some statistics that signify that you have so many, you know, happy customers. I would rather we just have a conversation. Like, I don't want to hear about somebody's net worth. I don't want to hear about, you know, but I guess that's what she thinks these women are going to respond to. But then kind of the funniest piece of this is that Amanda in the confessional is looking up Bose and her course that she offers.

and she finds the same kind of reviews about Bose's course offerings that are basically what Bose is criticizing Amanda's business for where it's like, oh, it's great, you know, great encouraging energy, but very little structural whatever that actually give you real tools, you know, essentially the same kind of like scammy stuff that I've been saying about Amanda all season where it's like these courses on how to manifest are not real business advice. It's not going to make you an expert on anything. The ironic thing about this, though, is that Amanda is positioning this as a gotcha to Bose, where she's like, see, she's just projecting because everything that she says about me is actually something that other people have said about her. Essentially, she's a jealous bitch that I'm

making millions of dollars for my course and she's not. But my thing watching this is I'm like, Amanda, if Bose's course that sounds kind of similar to your course is scamy and not that helpful and kind of bullshit, I still think that your course is scamy and not that helpful and kind of bullshit. Like two wrongs don't make a right. if Amanda is like, wow, I won this round. My course, your course is just as scammy as mine.

That still means your course is kind of scammy, babe. And, you know, when you say scam, like, obviously that has connotations to it where it's like, oh, it's some like, you know, illegal, like fraudulent scheme or whatever. I don't think that Amanda's, like, a criminal. I just think it's like, it's a little scummy. It's a little, it's a little, it's a little grifty. Grift, grift is a better word than scam, maybe. Or it's like, yeah, it's a little grifty. And look, you got to get a gimmick, um, you know, if you want to get ahead and I, and she has one. And good for her, she's making millions. But the thing also, it's so cringe when she's like, I guess I just am not used to

to being in a space where people don't like know me and know my work and know what I've built all this time. It's like, babe, you're not Madonna. You're not even Rachel Zoh. And I'm, Rachel Zoh is like, people don't know me all the time. What are you talking about? Again, Amanda, Amanda continues to make like one good point and then say five things that really drive me up the wall. And we're getting to the, to the latter end of the season. And the math isn't mathing on me enjoying her more than she drives me nuts. But hey, she's given us a lot to talk about. But we have to talk now about Kyle and Dorit and Erica's trip to this town. in the middle of nowhere.

And when I say the middle of nowhere, it looks beautiful. They walk up a lot of steps. They get dropped off. And Doreet's like, oh, okay. So what's, what's the deal with this town? Oh, it's just old. So we're just going there to walk around.

And Kyle's like, oh, we're getting gelato. And it's like, okay. Well, you know, you could walk five feet in Italy and run into a gelato place. Like, you don't need to look for whatever. The town looks beautiful. But it is the strangest vibe. when they are filming in this town because they get out of this, you know, sprinter van.

And there is not a soul around. They're walking up steps. They're going through, you know, cobblestone piazzas. They're walking up a hill. They're walking down a hill. They're walking past the church. Literally, it looks like we're in like Avengers Endgame and the Snap just happened and everybody in this town got snapped away and the three of these women are the only

people left on the fucking planet. And it's so awkward because they're like the goal for Kyle and Erica is that they have taken Doreet to this town so that they can talk to her and get to the bottom of what's going on with her and why is she so late and why is she spending so much money. But it seems like there's no real game plan. Like it's not like we're taking her to the town and then we're going to like sit down at this cafe and talk about it. They just kind of perched themselves on this little wall. And Eric is like, okay, well, I got to say it. I got to say it.

It's weird to me that you guys aren't, you know, something's up with your friendship, but I got to say it. And that's all I got. And Doreet's like, um, well, okay. Like, I didn't know that there was, you know, what are we talking? Okay. And then it just devolves into. this weird like back and forth of Kyle's like, oh, well, maybe erratic was too strong of a word,

but, you know, Bose was saying that you were doing yada, yada, yada. And Doreet's like, leave Bose the fuck out of it. Boz is my friend. And Kyle's like, well, well, Bose did say it. And, you know, everybody's saying it. And the whole group is saying, and Rachel said it. And they're going back and forth about Kyle not being supportive. And, you know, Doret says that she trusts Bose more than she trusts Kyle. So at this point, she doesn't want to hear it. And it just, it's this, they're back and forth and back and forth and they're still just like perched on this little ledge in the middle of this empty ass town. And then it's like, oh, right, we were here to get gelato. So they walk over to this gelato cart, which is again, just in the middle of the street

with absolutely nobody around except for this poor man working at the gelato stand. He must not have made that much money that day. The whole place was cleared out. I'm like, it looks like it was like March 12th, 2020, and everybody else was stuck inside and these three women had the run of the town. But they're like ordering their gelato. And basically they take like a 30 second pause and yelling at each other to order the gelato. And then Kyle's like, oh, right, we have to pay. Like what? So we hear like coins clinking in the background.

It's like, gratia. Kyle, you're a bitch. This whole scene is just eerie. Like truly what's going on? And they're in this piazza with their, you know, beautiful cones of gelato looking like they're about to throw it at, you know, like what is it? Big Little Lies, season two when Reese Witherspoon like throws the ice cream cone.

Like that's what I thought was going to happen. And then Erica starts to say something and DeReed's like, Erica, stay out of it. Kyle, this is Kyle and I are having a conversation and I don't. It's just so odd. The energy is so odd. And then Doreet gets in the car that brought all of them to this little town and she just scoots on off. And Kyle and Eric are like, what do we do?

Because we're left in this town and Dorete took the car. And there is, again, not one single person. So Erica like calls back to Villa Bibiani and is like, hey, so we're in this town and our friend left. So we got to get a ride. It's like where are we? What? When are we? It's like they time traveled back to the 1920s and plopped down in this little town to yell at each other and eat some gelato. And man, what a what a strange vibe. Captivating though. And then of course they keep fighting at dinner that night. It's really kind of the same fight they've had. you know, for two seasons now. But I do, I, I understand where Doreet is coming from when she says, if I, if Rachel has an issue with me, I will talk to Rachel about it. If Bose has an issue with me, I will talk to Bose about it. When I am talking to Kyle about Kyle's issue with me, I actually don't need to hear about how the whole group has an issue because right now the whole group isn't here and I'm talking

to you. and Kyle does seem, it's frustrating to me, like I understand a lot of Kyle's individual issues with Doreet, like the being late, the being, you know, not a good, whatever, whatever, I get it. But I think it's kind of a losing argument for Kyle to be like, well, it's not just me, it's the whole group because Doreet isn't wanting to hear that. She's not going to listen. And all it does is make Kyle seem like she is deflecting. when it's like you have thought these things and said these things about Doreet for two years,

stand ten toes down and just have it out with her. Kailant Doreet, low-key kind of the Austin and Craig of Real Osse of Beverly Hills at this point. Not a comparison I thought I would be making, but it just is getting to a point where I feel like by the end of this season and the reunion, it's like if they can't get it together at all, what are we doing anymore? Like if it's been, we're adults.

These women are in their 40s and 50s. If you've spent two full years fighting with somebody and you're not making any progress, maybe you're just not meant to be friends like that anymore. Dare I say, I don't know. But we still got, we still got some time at Villa Bibiani. Sutton's getting ready to be an empty nester when she takes, um, whatever the youngest one's name is to school. I think we get a to be continued.

I don't know if next week. is the finale of Beverly Hills, but we've got to be getting close. I know they already filmed the reunion. Some more to come there. But speaking of reunion, let's talk just a little bit about part two of the Southern Charm reunion so we can finish out this season and never speak about it again. Oh boy. We got to talk about Vanita and Sally and Craig and Charlie. And they're kind of the only four that really are factoring into this episode that much. Vanita and Sally is still in a bit of a a weird place. Sally is like seemingly more on Team Venita's mom than she is on Vanita's side.

So that's a little weird. Craig is still accusing Vanita of trying to capitalize on his breakup. And he says he's the only one who hasn't spoken about his breakup publicly, which is that true? Are we, can we get a truthometer on that one? It's not, it's not ringing that true to me. but Vanita apologizes to Sally a little bit for how she talked about her this season. And she's like, yeah, I think we're good. And everybody seems confused.

And that's always, it's funny when you get to reunion and somebody's like, oh, yeah, like, I'm not mad anymore. And it's like, oh, you aren't. That's not what you've been like telegraphing the last several months. And Sally basically is just speaking her piece and saying that since, you know, the last few months, like since they filmed the season, since it's been airing. Sally has felt like shit because Vanita basically doesn't want to publicly claim her as a friend that they'll be in public and people will want to take a picture and Vanita's like,

oh, I don't want to be in a picture with Sally or, you know, on social media that she doesn't want to be associated with Sally. And obviously, that's not a great behavior to have toward a friend and that she feels like Vanita's ashamed to, to claim her. And Vanita doesn't really deny this. And she says that it's been hard for her because when she does. post with Sally or about Sally, she gets dragged online for being friends with her. And, you know, people are really critical about like her, you know, relationship with Sally.

And she gets emotional about it because she's like, this was, this is such a real friendship. And it means a lot to me. And it's hard not to be able to. And it's like, why are you letting people on social media make you feel guilty or ashamed about being friends with somebody who you are claiming. to like really genuinely care about and be friends with. I like Vanita, but the way that she kind of was explaining that to me,

like didn't quite add up where it's like, if you're still proclaiming to really care about this person, that's a shitty excuse to say, man, I didn't want to post a picture with you. But it's because I would have gotten comments about it. girl like I don't think that's a great reason. Craig says he saw Sally as a sister which again is just brutal. Damn. Like hasn't she been through enough? There's drama between Charlie and Craig still. Because first of all, um, so Andy clearly wants all the details he can get about these hot tub nights at

Craig's house. And he says that one night after the hot tub he showed Charlie his sewing room. And oh, was claiming nobody ever made out in the hot tub. And he said he showed her the sewing room one night and said, you can kiss me if you want to. And Charlie said, nope, I'm good. Thank you. It's just like, okay, first of all, bizarre a world. What's going on there? But the worst thing is that Craig is adamant that Charlie knew before they went to Mexico this season that she was not interested in him further. like that she didn't want a relationship that it was that she was done and she is adamant. Charlie has said the whole time that she knew she didn't want to continue things with Craig in Mexico when basically when she saw the way that he yelled at Sally in the van that one night

and that that was when the switch flipped for her and she was like, uh, this is not, this is not what I want. and it is so strange to me that he is this seems to be a hill that he is dying on that no no no no no you had an agenda you were looking for a way out i was we were i was totally gung ho and you were basically like plotting that you didn't want to be with me but you were looking for a way out so then in mexico when i when i bitched out your friend sally in the back of the car then it was just a convenient little excuse that now you didn't have to be with big bad Craig. And it's like, what are you talking about? First of all, Charlie can decide whenever and for whatever reason she wants that she doesn't want to be seeing you anymore. And she doesn't even really have to give

you a good explanation. I mean, she did. The fact that you called her friend a loser in the back of the car to me is a good enough reason to not want to be with somebody anymore. But the fact that Craig is so hell bent on not accepting that as the explanation. It's like, even if there was more to the story, maybe this would be better for you if you just took the L and went and worked on yourself a little bit. And he says that he's going to, he says he's going to go to therapy. He also blames his meltdown in Mexico on how much he drank and that he didn't have anything to eat. And then I loved this moment. They roll footage on that. day in Mexico where he's specifically talking about the food they're eating. And there's like

casidias, there's chicken, there's like, you know, delicious looking Mexican food. And Austin's like, oh yeah, like I ate so much that day. Like they kept bringing us food. It was like such a we, I was like so full. And it's like, Craig, what are you talking about? Take accountability for yourself in the words of Tyra Banks. Never in my life have I yelled at a girl. like this. It just is, it's so, I mean, it's fitting that this is the end of the season. And Craig is kind of doing the same thing we've seen him doing all season long, which is, you know, failing to take accountability for his actions, failing to take the feelings of others into account,

seeming a little bit disconnected from reality, not valuing, you know, thinking that he's better than other people in the group. like there's a pattern of behavior. It's not like surprising that Craig is acting this way. But at the end, he says, you know, going to therapy, yada, yada, yada. And I didn't get a chance to apologize to everyone. I'm obviously sorry. And I think this is a good note to end on because when someone's apologizing to you, there are lots of different, you know, cues and, you know, things to pick up on to sort of evaluate that apology. and when somebody has spent like however many weeks or months or years treating you poorly and berating you or whatever

and then suddenly is introspective and, you know, feeling like they should apologize. To say I'm obviously sorry. It's like I don't think it's obvious because it doesn't seem like that's actually necessarily something that you feel very deeply. So to me, that was like the exact kind of thing I would expect Craig to kind of end. end with because it's like I'm I'm pushing this off to the side. I'm obviously sorry. That's all you're going to get for me. Now the season's over. I don't have to talk to people for however many months and like that's it. And it's like, okay, I would have loved to have a vote from everybody around the circle of how genuine they felt that apology was. I'm obviously sorry. But you know,

instead we get ended with a toast from Shep and we'll see what happens next season on Southern Charm because I'm I'm sure there will be one and I'm sure I will be watching it for better or for worse. But that's where we're going to end today. Thanks so much to everyone for for watching, for listening, for coming into my home. Don't forget to rate review and subscribe. Like I said, more Southern hospitality with Mia and T.J. coming next Tuesday. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool.

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