Mention It All - Last Call For Jersey (RHOBH, RHONJ Reunion)

Episode Date: May 27, 2021

Dylan and Bari are back to recap another Wednesday night Housewives double-header. They start with RHOBH, where Garcelle smoothes things over with Kyle, but isn’t quite ready to forgive and forget with Rinna. The Lake Tahoe trip gets off to a solid start, but things leave off on a troubling note as Sutton makes some questionable comments about race. Then, they turn to the conclusion of the New Jersey reunion, where Teresa’s lack of understanding of sexual harassment leaves everyone at a loss for words. Finally, Dolores gives an update on her relationship, and Tre and Jackie hash out their disagreement one last time. You can buy SkinnyPop at retailers nationwide, or go to the Shop Now page on skinnypop.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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With Dylan Hafer. Who don't check me, boo? And Barry Rosenfeld. I need to start drinking alcohol. Now go to sleep week. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer.

And I'm Barry Rosenfeld. Kicking off to summer, people. Oh, yeah. Memorial Day weekend coming in hot and rainy if you're, on the East Coast. No, literally coming in hot and rainy. Hot and rainy. Hot and rainy is like my least ideal weather pattern.

Making me nauseous. I mean, the rain cools it down a little, but at the same time, the humidity is starting too early. No. I'm just sweaty regardless. And then I go in the air conditioning and I get cold because I'm like wet.

It's not an ideal situation. But you know what is it? You know what is an ideal situation? that Beverly Hills, New Jersey combo that we got for these two weeks, it was sweet well-lasted. Yeah. We either are talking about Bravo or we're mostly talking about Bravo slash complaining about the weather at all times on this. The only two things. Pod, but.

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A lot did happen last night. And let's get right into it. So Beverly Hills, we are setting off for our trip. to Lake Tahoe, but before we get there, we have some important business to attend to, namely Kyle and Garcel are meeting for the first time to really hash things out. And I actually felt like this was a productive little sit down. Absolutely agree. Garcel is like very good at making sure the people she wants to be friends with are completely understanding their roles and like what they need to do and how to act.

not, you know, not her telling her, but like, hello, I cannot be friends with someone who doesn't understand me, where I come from, like, everything about me. And I have to trust you. And I was like, Garcel, you are amazing. I think it's interesting to see the difference in how Garcel is handling her issues with Kyle and Rina, because with Rina, which we'll get to more, she clearly has, like, deep trust issues with Rina as somebody she's known for a long time and felt kind of, taken aback by the way she handled the situation with Denise. Whereas Kyle, it really feels like there were, you know, a couple of specific issues and Garcel needed to air out the issues.

They needed to talk through it. And I feel like they were able to do that. And now that she, you know, Garcel reiterates to Kyle that she didn't feel really heard by her last year. And Kyle feels like Garcel didn't give her a chance, whatever. But then Garcel talks about the pressures that she faces as a black woman and these stereotypes and how the charity donation thing that Kyle brought up really deeply affected her because of that. And I think it's one of those things where Kyle's privilege

as a white woman, she never thought about that. And you could tell in that scene that she really was she was taken aback because it was just something that had never occurred to her. But it didn't it didn't feel like it was coming from a place of like, how dare you say that about me? It was coming from a place of like, oh my God, like, I don't want that to be like how I'm going about things. So like, I'm so glad that you're saying this because now they actually can move forward on this level where they understand each other. Totally. And the difference of this group of women, the way that we've already seen them have problems, sit down and talk about it. Like they, Garcel and Kyle have seen each other, but they decided to like meet separately and talk. Like,

that's the correct way to work through your issues and not like brush it aside and i i thought that was a good conversation and kyle truly like was appreciative she's like thank you for for telling me this and explaining it to me she and i have to say like i i think everyone knows that kyle was not doing that like to be you know malicious or or in any type of way but it's better that it was um talked about and now she knows to not do that. This is different than another conversation we'll see later on in the episode. But I'm glad that Kyle and Garcel,

I think are on a good page for now. I don't know if they're on the like BFF's page, but they're on a better page than Garcell and Renau, where they are not in the same book right now. But the other thing that we get before we head off to Lake Tahoe is a nice little intro to Crystal at home with her family, which I know we talked about. We didn't really get that last episode.

So I was excited to see that. Her kids are adorable. Her brother is a Chinese pop star. Her nanny, Lucy, is hilarious. I am loving all of Crystal so far. We have said this in the past. Like, we need, like, a show or, like, a behind the scenes tell-all of all of, like, the housekeepers.

Because what they know is probably so. much more and exciting than what we see on the screen. Like everyone who like works and lives with the housewives are probably so like, they have so much like knowledge about what goes on literally behind closed doors that I would love to see like and meet more of Lucy. But anyway, I didn't know that Crystal is only 35 years old. She is young. Like young compared to everyone else.

It's interesting because we've seen. her make a couple comments about, you know, how older women dress or like, you know, she clearly has some, like, differences from the rest of the group, but she definitely feels like she fits in in terms of the lifestyle, in terms of kind of the social circle. And I, I think this is kind of a great example of how they can switch up the casting, have mixed age groups. We see this with Potomac, too. Like, Ashley and Candace are in their 30s. And, you know, Giselle and Karen. or in their 50s, but it doesn't feel like there's this big gap, whereas I think sometimes on these shows,

when they try to mix up the age range, it's like, why is Leah hanging out with Ramona, really? So, like, I think Crystal seems like a great younger person who really can still hang with this group. Yeah, I think that if I had to choose another franchise for her to join, it would be New York only because she's, like, so chic. And I feel like also has that New York attitude and vibe. I agree. I think like seeing like her with a group like New York, I don't know. I know this won't happen.

I know she's literally new on Beverly Hills, but I just like thought about that I would like to see her on New York too. She is, she's so elegant. Like Ramona always says that as the word that like this show is elegant. We're elegant, whatever. Crystal is fucking elegant. Like that confessional look that she wore with the like crystal bows down the front. and then she just like she always looks perfect and like I feel like she she gets the memo that glam is important in this group but really makes it work for her personal style where like some of the women it kind of feels like they're just like doing the most but she seems great and she also like it seems like she's doing a really good job at sort of figuring out what everyone's deal is and like really getting in there and she's like you know making these great comments in her

confessional. She seems like she's kind of, she's like, she's being really smart about how she's getting in with the group because obviously we see her kind of getting into it with Sutton at the end of the episode, but it doesn't feel like she's just coming in and like trying to make a scene. Right. I agree. Some of her like, she's like, I think she's born and raised in Beverly Hills, I think, or she's been there for a really long time. Born and raised in L.A. Yeah. Okay, L.A. So, but like some of her like things that she said in her, um, confessionals like, like, last week where she was like, she knows, like, you have, you just know everyone, Beverly Hills or like this week when she's like, everyone's been to Tahoe. And it's like, no, like, then they showed their, and it's like,

no, not everyone's been to Tahoe. Like, what do you mean? And I just think it's funny. Yeah. To get everyone's different opinions of like, Tahoe. Cause she's like, I mean, I've been there a lot. Like, I guess it's fun. And Eric is like, I don't like Tahoe. And it reminds me of like Lugano in Switzerland. She just goes to Europe a lot. But is that in Europe? Is that stupid? Is that in Europe? Yes.

That's like the Alps. Thanks. Crystal, speaking of perfect, though, Crystal is a big spreadsheet person, big spreadsheet energy. And I was like, whoa, she could totally do a side gig of like organizing people's lives because her family has different colors. And I was laughing because I was like, Crystal, your kids are like five and eight. And you're talking about like tennis lessons.

I this schedule is very extreme for that but listen whatever works that's organization is key I posted I want her and Tiffany moon to have an organization show on Netflix or something like where they like go in and like fix people's lives of spreadsheets I feel like that's what they're meant to do and we know that they are friends in real life and get along well so God the chicness just coming out of that sentence I'm like oh my god that is like amazing um there was something else I spreadsheet. And like she's like, I'm dark pink.

Like she, instead of, she's pink, I'm dark pink. But I just organized. I know. But this, oh,

that was, I was like, there was something else I wanted to say, Lucy. Sorry, I can't stop talking about Lucy because she's so funny.

Her Crystal's brother came in or husband. And Lucy was like, can you go press start on the, on the machine? Like Lucy had the husband go press the washing machine. And I was like,

that is, that is. the energy. That's when you know you're good at your job as like a housekeeper or a nanny or whatever, when you can like give directions to the person you technically work for. Work for it, literally. We're off to Lake Tahoe. I love that Garcel is the, Garcell, they're like meeting at this like airport place, I guess, and Rinna is already there. And Garcel is the first one to show up and the look on her face when she realizes that nobody else has arrived yet. And so she has to make small talk with Rina. I, it was so funny because

that is the most relatable thing. Like, we, like, when you have, like, an office, like, drinks or whatever or something like that and you're like, okay, so like, what exact time should I plan to get there? So I know I won't be like the second person there. Like, Garcel was like, fuck, I should have come five minutes later. Okay. But you know that this is our favorite thing in the world. Enter production.

Oh, you're telling me that that was complete coincidence. And then the next person to arrive was Kyle. Like, oh, okay. This seemed a little too written, if you ask me. But listen, there, she, Garcel was like, oh, it's Kyle. All right, I'll take anybody. Like, she just needed someone to, like, break the ice. But this trip, honestly, I felt really bad for Garcel, not about Renna, but about flying

because that is, like, nothing to joke with. Like, she, like, really said she had a fear of planes and, like, seeing her face on that plane, which was an hour long, by the way. But, like, I felt for her. I was like, that is, that is very uncomfortable and, like, extreme. But you know what? Out of every show, every trip, every season I've ever seen, this, I'm saying it right now is the nicest house I've ever seen. Nice as Airbnb I've ever seen. We knew she didn't like small planes because that's why she didn't go see Chicago. Yeah. Well,

and that's a longer, a way longer flight anyway. But yeah, oh, Garcel, we're thinking about you with those flights. But yes, this, this house is stunning. They definite, I mean, like, if anybody is going to have the fanciest like COVID era trip. It's going to be Beverly Hills. They're flying private. 17 bedrooms. But there's like an issue with bears on the ground floor. So Garcel won't be sleeping down there.

I do love we get like a full like Ramona montage of all of them complaining about having to carry their own suitcases. Oh my God. That was hilarious. They were literally all waiting waiting there. They were waiting there for people. I was like, distressed. She's like, who's going to, I have to, we have to carry our own bags.

I was like, guys, you have been on luxurious vacations before, but you have to know, like there's a time and place where like sometimes that might not happen, you know, like, do you're not at a hotel, you're literally out of house. Granted, there's a staff, but like, there's no bellhops waiting at the door to carry your 13 hard side pieces of luggage for how long are they going away for? I'm like four days maximum, I'm sure. And Rinna's like, we couldn't have bellhops because of COVID. And I'm like, would a house like this have bellhops normally?

I don't know. It was so, the house is so breathtaking. I like, I couldn't even. I would love to see. I always love to figure out like when they do these things on these shows. Like did these types of Airbnb's and stuff get sold? afterwards. Like, you know, like, is a bachelor at party now going to go stay there

at Lake Tahoe? I know it's a very weird thought that I have, but... I remember when Atlanta went to South Carolina this season, somebody found their house on Verbo and we're like, if anybody needs a bachelor at party and, like, Isle of Palms. Oh, like the Strip, the Bolo house?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my goodness. Well, no, I'll probably skip that one, but... My favorite part of seeing them unpack is that Kathy Hilton really needs her fan. and like she can't find it and then it's not working. Kathy, I really want to know like what they say to her when she sits down in the confessional chair.

Like are they just like, okay, you can just talk for two hours and we'll just, because she is so funny. The greatest gift I think that we have seen thus far. I know I said it last night, but like we needed her. She's so like authentic and funny. Like she has truly no idea. like they were playing that game,

two truths and a lie, and she literally just said three true things. Like she had no, like she was just not bothered at all. Like, it's her world and we're living in it. She told them three true things that she had like specifically already mentioned that day or at the barbecue like the week before.

And so they were like, wait, wait, wait. You literally told me you worked at the Waldorf an hour ago. Okay, but also they brought up again her confusing Garcell and Kai. And she dead serious goes, like, I really thought it was Kyle. But then I was like, no, Kyle, that can't be Kyle. Kyle's way shorter. And we're like, Kathy, that's not the only difference between Garcel and Kyle.

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I'm really excited that she's here. Like I truly am. I think she like is a way different vibe than the rest of the group. They don't even know how to like react around her because she is being serious. But they're like, all right, Kathy. Okay. Well, it's interesting because obviously she's very fun and silly and it's fun to see that side. But with her relationship with Kyle, she talks a little bit about this episode, how they

weren't on good terms for a while when Kyle had the American Woman show. And so Kyle is just super. to really have Kathy back in her life because there were a few years there where it wasn't great. And so it's interesting because Kyle's dynamic with Kathy is like a different type of relationship than we've ever really seen her in on this show. Like none of these other women, including Kim when she was on the show, Kyle has always kind of been like the top dog in a way. Like nobody has ever really like felt like they were like above her.

but I think with Kathy, she kind of has that relationship where like Kathy's her big sister. She is kind of like the top, you know, she's like the number one girl in the family. And so I think for Kyle, like it's an interesting dynamic because obviously Kathy is like a fun kind of like sidekick to have on the show. But at the same time, I think there's like so much history there. And Kyle probably feels like she has to like make her sister happy in a way. and that's like an interesting position to see her in on the season. Yeah. I feel like Kyle, I don't know, not acting differently, but like you just said,

she's the number one girl in the family, but I feel like because she's there, Kyle might not be the number one girl in the group anymore. So like- Right, it changes. Right, because it's like if they're all thinking Kathy is above Kyle, then is Kyle above them? Like, how does that work? But Kyle volunteers to cook dinner, which is very nice until she burns the salmon. And she's like saying that she's giving the chef the night off, but then is still asking the chef for like 500 questions.

And then she has, she asked Crystal to make her a drink. It's like, Kyle, get it together. I was laughing because she was like, it's what she say, baked salmon or burnt blackened salmon? Blackened. And then Erica was like. That's burnt fish. It's burnt fish. It's not, but I, listen, she tried hard.

It's so funny because she said she loves hosting, which is great, but like, they literally have a chef. So, like, babe, you did not need to cook that dinner. Like, you really, I would have been, I would have been like, no, can we, can we actually tap you out and bring the chef back in? But that's, I know. It's like, it's a nice idea. But when you have a group of eight women on a trip like that and there's a chef, like,

on top, like, I'm going to be mad if the dinner's not delicious. Let's just say. Same. Like, people take their food. very seriously. But let's talk about two truths and a lie, because that's like our little activity game that I'm sure the producers told Doreet to bring up. There's not like a lot of bombshells from this, except for that half of these women don't know

how to play this game. We hear a little more about Crystal, like she was an operator and an escort agency for a year. Sounds like a really cool job, to be honest. I know. It sounds interesting. She's never been arrested, I guess. the most interesting part of the game though is you know we're all thinking erika's is going to be something juicy and it sort of is because one of her things is that she was an informant in an

FBI case um and then she won't say which one is the lie and it's like oh no we know we know it is because yeah because like we know um we know you're not in the mafia and you already said you're adopted So, like, we know which one is the lie. But at the same time, she was like, I've already said too much. I already said too much. I'll tell you on the side. But like... So weird.

It's like, okay, you're like filming a TV show. It's not even a matter of, like, telling these girls. It's like, you're on camera. Like, cut it out. I'm annoyed by that. Cut it out. You're like, it's like she's holding a... It's like we're on a treadmill and she's holding like a piece of pizza in front of us.

And it's like the biggest... What an analogy that one. No, that's good. Because if it was a carrot, I just would get off the treadmill and go eat something else. No, it is. Well, Dylan, no one's walking for a carrot. I'm not like, oh, give me that carrot. Is that, you know?

I mean, that's just like the classic egg is like dangling a carrot in front of. Oh. Well, because they do that at like the, the, like, the dog races. Oh, okay. I don't know. But, yeah, it's like this thing with Erica is weird because it's like, I don't know how many episodes it's going to be before stuff kind of starts to get real with her, but it's like, I can't do this like charade of like, I can't tell you what I do know, but what I

don't know is, well, like, it's already old. But Dylan, you posted something yesterday about like the, either the filming ended or something three days before Erica filed for something. I know that was a lack of information I just gave, but there was a timeline and like, um, wrapping, filming wrapped And then, like, Erica got, like, filed for something. I don't know, like three days after. Should I? I don't know. Yeah.

I mean, all the timelines are weird, but I'm just hoping that we find out some, like, actual information not halfway through the season. We'll see, though. I know. Well, it's like we talked about before we don't. I think she's not sure if she wanted or could talk about it on the show yet. But, again, not fair to us. Not fair.

Like, we know it's your life, but we, we, we, it's our job, so we need to know. Thank you. Um, so then Rina and Garcel have a little talk after all the women kind of go their separate ways. And Garcel, okay, so I, I like that Garcel wants to clear the air about, okay, like, I think you think we're like 100% good and we're not. So like, just be clear about that. But like, she's bringing up how she doesn't know if she can trust Rina to like confide in her because of, you know, how can she trust that it won't backfire like it did with Denise? And Rina says that she can't promise that. And it's like, girl, what?

When she said that, I was like very taken back. So was Garcel, obviously, because who do you work for? I almost wanted to say, like in awesome powers. Like, who does Rina work for? Because you're a friend. If one of my friends or your friends was ever like, how can I trust you? And you're like, I don't know. to be honest.

Like, I don't know what might happen in the future. She's almost like using that as bait where she's like something juicy might come along where I might have to tell someone something about you. Like, that was so not. I would never try. I don't know how Garcel would ever now trust her after that comment because you're like thinking about it. It's such a thing to say to someone because it's like,

do you want to be my friend? Because if you do, why would you be thinking that you can't promise to have my trust. But like, if you're thinking of like all of the possible scenarios that could happen on this reality show that you're on together, then it's like, I don't want to be real friends with you. I 100% agree. But we've seen that in the past too. Like I don't, dead serious, Dylan. Would you want to be friends with Rina? No, I think Rina would be like a fun person to hang out with. But right. I think there are people on housewives. And Rina is one. of them, but she's not the only one who have a really difficult time separating stuff that happens

on the show from stuff that is more important in real life. And I think that's kind of what happened with Denise. Like now she's claiming she was never that close with Denise. Garsell clearly doesn't buy that. I don't know enough to say yes or no. But Rina can't, she can't set it aside and be like, it really sucks that this thing that happened on the show had to impact my real life friendships, or ended up impacting my real life friendships. And I feel like we've seen that with some of the Jersey stuff with like, you know, all of the Gorga family nonsense that it's like, Teresa sometimes can't just like take a step back and be like, this isn't worth it for the show.

And so I think Rina kind of struggles with that too. and for somebody like Garcel, we've talked about how she doesn't really like, she doesn't need this show the way that some other people do. It's like, why would she get in too deep with someone like that? If she can see the writing on the wall a mile away, that it could backfire. Like, yeah, you can, you can like have fun on the show together,

but why would you be telling that person your personal business? Yeah, I totally agree. I mean, even the way the conversation ended and Reno was like, all right, well, great. It almost seemed like a contract to me. It didn't seem like a genuine, friendly conversation. And I feel bad at this point because Garcel is now making an effort. Like we've been so this before.

Like this conversation is she went to Rina to talk about it. Like she's like, let's see if we can make this work. But now it's almost like she had, has made an effort. And she's like, you know what? I'm going to stand back for a little bit. I think Garcel is, Garcel is doing her best to be gracious to Rina while also standing her ground with how she feels. And so I think she's being conservative with, you know, saying what she's saying to Rina.

But I think Rina is like every time Garcel gives her an inch, she's taking like a marathon. Like she's going way too far and thinking that it's like, okay, like Garcel said she would give me another chance. So like now I'm good with Garcel. And it's like I wish Rina would kind of chill for a second and actually understand where Garcel's coming from rather than just kind of like trying to make everything perfect. Yeah. Okay. So one last important conversation we saw was the Crystal and Kyle just having a late night cocktail and all the boring people went to sleep and they were having what seemed like a nice conversation. Kyle was saying how her and Garcell are good. She explained what happened. She explained what she said about her not paying and how it affected her. And I don't know what went wrong. Like I truly don't. I think. I think Crystal then was like, wait, so let's talk about it because she's like, as someone who's not white, like, I can tell you how that probably did, like, her, Garcel. And then Sutton, like, you just said she took that and ran, ran. Yeah, I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to, you know, like, I feel like Kyle in that moment was actually, she was trying, she's like continuing to work on processing what Garcel said to her. She's, she's trying to, you know, understand it as best she can and actually like figure out. And I think Crystal,

this obviously is not her responsibility to be like the explainer. But I think she, I think she saw an opportunity to, you know, share something and she's trying to get to know these women. And I think it was really, it was great to see her opening up about that. And it was so bizarre the way that Sutton just cut, like, chopped that down and was like, no, we're not doing this. We're not doing this. Because the, the kind of, conversation that they were having was not accusatory. It was honestly, it felt like a really positive conversation because Garcel and Kyle came to this understanding. Kyle is continuing this discussion, which is something that this group should be talking about. And the fact that Crystal felt like she could share her experiences, I thought was great. She's only been in this group for, you know, a couple of weeks. And it was so strange to see Sutton just like have this like extreme. reaction to the suggestion that there are racial stereotypes at play, which of course there are, because that's how that's how our society works. Yeah, that's, I was thinking that too,

exactly you just said where I were number one, I thought I was strange and number two, I was like, wait, this conversation was positive. Like, it wasn't, it wasn't like you said she like, blah, blah, blah. It actually was just like a nice conversation. Well, you know, not nice, but, No, it was a good conversation. Correct. So she took it and was like almost exaggerated it, which like at first I was like, okay, I see what you're saying. Like you don't want to make it into like another argument almost.

But sometimes if it needs to be, then it could. But that's not what it was. It was just like Crystal was talking. Kyle was explaining what happened. Like Sutton even said that she has like face. it too, like in the South, which that is the part to me that was strange where she was even involved in the conversation and then she freaked out. Yeah, I mean, that was weird to me because it's like stereotypes of yes, black people or Asian people are not the same as stereotypes of like

rednecks, but. Yes, but Crystal was open to listening to what she was saying. That was the kind of thing where it was like, I don't know if Sutton was on the right wavelength there, but it at least was like, she was, and then Crystal is, we finished the episode on a cliffhanger, because Crystal is basically, she's basically daring Sutton to say that she doesn't see color.

And she's like, are you that girl? Are you that girl who I don't see color? And I'm a little nervous for what Sutton's response to that is going to be. Because I'm like, I think Sutton is a great addition to the group. I've been loving, I loved her last season.

I was excited to see her be promoted to full time. And I'm just like, don't throw it all away. I don't think she's going to, I don't think, but her being asked that, like on the spot, I think is what she wanted to avoid almost, because that wasn't where the direction of the conversation was going. So, yeah, I'm curious to see.

I think this is the start of her and Crystal not getting along, but that's just my assumption. Well, you know, we have to get to your ugly leather pants at some point. leather pads. We'll see. Yeah, I'm nervous for next week, but I'm excited where the start this season is off to. It feels very promising. Plan B is a backup

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I don't know. I wasn't like, I wasn't thrilled with it, but we do get some important conversations. And similar to the way that Sutton just said. some puzzling things. We kick off with a really frustrating conversation about sexual harassment, which was just, so they're still talking about it's Margaret and Jennifer. And, you know, Jennifer is still mad that she was called a sloppy drunk, which, like, I still don't think is really inaccurate.

But they get back to, you know, Jen saying that Margaret was, you know, loose and easy because she had sex with her boss. And it's just so clear that Jennifer and then also Teresa don't understand the concept of sexual harassment or, you know, like power dynamics like that because they asked Jackie, Andy asks Jackie if she's ever been sexually harassed in her career and she says yes. And Teresa's like, no, I would never let someone put their hands on me if I didn't want them to. And it's like, that is, it's just so victim, shamy. And like, it's just such a bad. response and it shows that she doesn't really get it. I mean, yeah, it's, again, it's so hard with Teresa because I don't think, I kind of feel like she was saying because she's a like hard, tough woman, but that doesn't stop men if they want to do something to you. And that's the point. Margaret was saying, like, so are you saying people who, um, people let this happen? Is that, is that what you're saying? And then she was saying how

you're the reason why that, or not you're the reason, but what you're saying is a big reason why women don't come forward and say what happened to them. And also the idea that sexual harassment is not just somebody putting their hands on you. It's comments that are made. It's, you know, a whole workplace culture that Teresa has probably not experienced because she hasn't really worked in a traditional workplace. Like for Jackie to say that she experienced that in her career as an attorney makes so much sense. And it's, unfortunate that it is, that it's not surprising. But the fact that Teresa basically thinks like the only form of sexual harassment is like some man groping you at the office. It's like, you just don't get it. And it's like, of course Margaret didn't want to open up to them about it. Like, it's not that surprising given what they think. Yeah.

And what is funny is that, well, not funny, but that Teresa asked Jackie and Jackie goes, yeah, I let him because I didn't want to get fired. Like she was just going along with it and explaining what happens every day. Like this happens every day. You were in a position and at a job where you worked very hard to get to. So instead of, well, like nowadays, it's it, I hope things have changed. But they, she just went with it. But it, yeah, it is kind of crazy where we see the difference right here where we hope this would have been a productive conversation. And it wasn't at all.

Yeah. Like at all. It was terror. There was, I, I, I, why couldn't Andy or someone turn it into a productive conversation, but. Well, I felt like Andy, you know, Andy is not a perfect, um, you know, person for holding people accountable or whatever by any means. He did kind of push back at Teresa and say, you know, like it's not, that's not how it works, really.

But I just think it's hard because it's obvious that Teresa just doesn't get it. I don't, I don't know. I, it's so tough. I, I, I hope Bravo. makes them do like some sensitivity training on that or something because it's not a good look. And it's like, I don't think that's helpful for viewers to see. And it's certainly not something that like Margaret should have to put up with in her, you know, they're at work.

And she's basically being like dragged by a co-worker. That's true. Speaking of that, though, really quick about Margaret, I was dying when when Margaret was like, I dropped, I sent you so you guys didn't acknowledge and Jennifer goes, how did I know it was from you? And Margaret was like, it was my book. Who else would drop it off to your room? And Margaret was like, Jennifer was like, I don't know.

I thought it was hospitality. I got macaroons too. That was like the most bizarre moment because it's like, Margaret also said there was a card in it. So it wasn't like an anonymous thing. But it's like it's Margaret's book, Jennifer. Yeah, like they're not handing it out at the hotel like for people. But also, okay, that's basically. all I want to talk about Jennifer. Thank you.

Um, but so we get, we do get an update from Dolores on David, which honestly, a lot of the stuff she said, she said in our interview with her a couple weeks ago. So if you've not listened to that episode, go back and find it right now. Um, because we did talk a lot about her relationship with David. But the one big takeaway that we got last night was that Frankie on the Watch What Happens Live kids episode said that he does think Dolores and David will get married, which she was surprised to hear even him say.

But he also said something that contradicting that devastated everyone where he said absolutely not what her and Frank ever get back together. And everyone was the whole world was like, no. But that's not surprising to me. Like I feel like everybody kind of has always known that. It's just like funny to joke about it. But it's to me like I hope we can kind of ease up on grilling Dolores about her relationship in the future.

because to me it feels clear that she knows what she wants. She knows what she needs. She's happy. She looks great. She feels great. And it's like I don't think she's not in a position where she's like stuck in a relationship or anything. So I feel like whatever she's doing, I trust that she's going to do what works for her.

I agree. But so we get back back into the Jackie and Teresa feud because this just seems like, listen, we got to where we wanted to. They seem to have made up. And Teresa extended another olive branch to Evan to play golf with Louis. And she even said it like slowly because she wanted to make sure like she got it out the right way. But like I just feel like it's so hard. We've seen Teresa over the years to she apologized again.

She really did. But is it genuine? I don't know. Like I think this is the. type thing they need to like squash it and move forward because that or else we're going to go in a complete circle again with this situation and they they even showed like Gia on the kids like what she said about it and like it's like we're rehashing everything I know we're talking about it and but we've talked about it already so like the thing that's hard for me I thought the apology at the

end was nice I hope they go play golf whatever but like Teresa is still saying that she she says she didn't spread the rumor, which she clearly just doesn't know what that means because she literally did spread the rumor. But then also, she tries to claim that she didn't want to ruin the birthday party. She just, she wanted Jackie to know. And it's like, then why didn't it you tell Jackie? She's, she's like ignoring the fact that she never actually told Jackie that there was a rumor about Evan. She told everyone else, Jackie found out, and then they talked about it. So for her to act like, it's like, no, like, I just wanted Jackie to know that this rumor was out there. It's like, then you should have told her because you never actually did.

Right. And again, she keeps reiterating that like, and Jack even said, you could have waited and told me the next day, like at another time. Right. But that would have been the easier route to go. I'm not sure. I was not involved in this entire situation because there was, we've talked about this in the past. there was a lot of ways to go about this besides the way it happened. But I mean, and they keep saying, I know, I hate to, like, you hate to bring it up,

but like they keep comparing it to Teresa, like her of all people should know that to not have done that. But listen, it's in the pet, like it happened. What do you know, it's like I'm exhausted talking about it too already. Like, what do you know? I know. But we do get a little glimpse of Louie at the end. He comes out and brings Teresa her pineapple. Wait, she was so happy to see him.

Like, that was adorable. And they're really cute together. But she goes, Andy, did you know about this? And I love when Andy like gives her. He's like, yes, Teresa. Like, yeah, I knew about it. She's like, wait, wait for me. Don't leave.

And he's like, yeah, like, we're going home together. Dug. Okay, but have we ever seen another reunion where they ended with the got? Like this New Jersey is just like the shit. I'm sorry. Like they're, we had to go to the back room and see the guys drinking together because we have how much the audience and fans love them. It's so crazy. It's just a great group.

It is a great group. And, you know, we'll see what happens next season. I feel like they're probably going to bring in some new cast members, which I think it's time for, you know, three seasons of the of these two, of these six, I guess, these two who, I don't know. But now it's time for the gab, the skinny pop moments of the day. Endless entertainment calls for endless popcorn And luckily every kernel of Skinny Pop is so light, crunchy and delicious that we love to eat it by the handful Or even the bagful.

Barry, my grab the Skinny Pop moment is when they're playing two truths and a lie on Beverly Hills And Rina says that she is a terrible liar. And Garcel, like, Garcel just couldn't keep, She's like, you're an actress. And then in her confessional, she's like, well, remember when you see, said you weren't that close with Denise like can we get a lie detector i love that garcel is like

calling it like she sees it yeah and she doesn't have time for rina's bullshit and like i don't i don't hate rina by any means but like that's bullshit i mean i can't lie come on i mean yeah yes i agree okay my grab the skinny pot moment is sutton in the beginning of the episode not the end but the beginning of the episode when she was talking to Erica and she says she thinks that she has a little pretty mess inside her and she doesn't give a fuck and I and now and that she learned what a knobbler is and I was like oh my we I don't like this and we can keep we can go back to no when she said pretty much I'm like get these I'm like oh god I don't I don't like them together they're so like yeah it's not I don't the mix for me is not um Erica's like no you got a pretty mess it's

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