Mention It All - Lesbian Brows In The Berkshires Ft. Danny Murphy & Michelle Davis

Episode Date: May 5, 2022

Dylan is joined by the hilarious Danny Murphy and Michelle Davis, and they jump right into their thoughts on the RHOA premiere, and whether Cynthia was missed. Next, they discuss the new preview for RHUGT, and who they’re most excited to see back on their screens. They also discuss some tea on the upcoming season of RHOBH, and how Erika might approach this season. Later, they get into all the drama on RHONJ, and who desperately needs a friend. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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See Store Online for details. Betches Media presents. Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All. A Bravo by Betcha's podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With Dylan Hafer. Hey, everyone.

Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer, and today I am very excited to be joined by a pair of hilarious guests, the first of whom you already know if you listen to this show. But the other one, I'm very excited to have for the first time. She is a comedian and a writer for a Black Lady Sketch Show. and Zeeway, now airing on Showtime. Please welcome Danny Murphy and Michelle Davis. Hi.

Hey, hey, hey. Hi. Thanks so much for having us. Yeah, I'm so excited to have you both here to talk about Bravo. We are so excited. I mean, it's kind of just the only thing I ever want to talk about, especially with you, Dylan. So it's a joy.

I was going to say, it's the one thing on the planet that I don't need to prepare to know every single thing about. Isn't that great? You're like, let me do some research. And it's just like watching TV. that you've already watched before. Exactly. It's just my Saturday night.

Yeah, I was just watching Giselle Bryant TikToks just to feel. Oh, my gosh. What do we think about there's some word on the streets that Giselle could be dating Peter Thomas. Wait, I hadn't heard this.

It's like, it's very like unconfirmed tea, but reportedly he's been like filming a little bit for Potomac this season, which is just trash, in my opinion. That doesn't shock me because Peter Thomas is one of the most thirsty house husbands. Yes. So I'm sure he's back in the game. And also, Giselle, I love her.

She literally is like one of my favorite Potomac Ladies and just Housewives overall. Has not the best taste when it comes to getting tops and also men. So I would hope it's not true. But I mean, I'd be curious. I'd be curious. Yeah. It's like it's surprising, but not shocking. right all I want for Giselle is for her to date a man who lives in Maryland one and who I have

never heard of before like I just want her to find a man who is a complete nobody yeah maybe has a little bit of cash stored away and lives within an hour drive of her home she needs somebody boring who will just be like I'm going to go to work I love you endlessly do whatever you have to do exactly and like get I need to judge Zelle to have someone so her daughter's don't have to worry because they are hurrying about their mom. Right. I'm picturing like Noel, Cynthia's daughter, like sliding into Grace's DMs and being like, what's up with this?

Because like, don't do that. And then maybe the computer turned like, what's up with Cynthia and Mike? Because what's going on with, I feel like there's always, I hear rumors about them and I always just hope the best. But it is curious, mainly because I just want Cynthia to come back to Atlanta because I, I, do you really? I kind of miss her. I think I miss her because it's nice because she was just like,

gorgeous and fun and I knew her for so long that I'm like, oh, she's just silly to be there. Go ahead, Michelle. I'm just going to say, I mean, tragically, based off this last premiere, let's just say no one's presence was missing, for me at least. I completely agree. I like Cynthia. I think Cynthia is a lovely woman.

I, you know, I have nothing. I have nothing against her. But I just think she's the kind of person where she was on, Real Housewives of Atlanta for like 11 seasons. And it was just, it was, we got it. We got it. You know, my one thing I would have liked if we could have had maybe her just packing her bags in Atlanta for the first episode and her in Kenya, hashing out anything from Ultimate

Girls trip. Because I was like, did that really just end there? Like, yeah, that was a sad departure for Cynthia. Like, she went out on such a low. Yeah. But I think that, I think what that really tells me in like her history. on Atlanta is like she, this is so mean to say. And Cynthia, again, love you. Great girl. Great gowns. But she doesn't really exist without being in relation to Nini or Kenya.

I mean, sorry, she exists. Everyone exists. That's just the back of life. She's just not interesting without being in relationship to them. So I think there, yeah, there are a handful of people we've had on Housewives where it's like, we only really care about following them as it pertains to their relationship with someone else. And I think, I mean, you know, it's not, it's not anything against her as a person, but it's like she's not an alpha top dog reality TV personality. And that's fine. And that also shows she's probably more, like she can get up in the day and not choose violence

and be like, I'm so angry at the world, run while some of other favorite ladies just have so many grudges. Cynthia's like, I'm relaxed. I'm chilling. She's literally chill. Yeah. And I also, yeah. And that means that now that she's off the show,

she's not spending her entire life looking for opportunities to comment on the show. She's not watching, she's not watching it on Instagram Live, like Danielle Stileb last season of Jersey. Like, I respect that she probably is just kind of like, doing her own thing. And I respect, too,

that she was like, have a great season, ladies, can't wait to watch. Like, that's all she did. She wished them well and then is not doing like every other ex-housewife having a little podcast or a little video thing of reacting to rewatching.

Because it's just, I don't know if either of you saw it. This season of Atlanta, Shamiya is hosting like an after show with the husbands. Oh, that's exciting. I miss that. What are we doing here? It's like Todd, Ralph, Aaron, Sonia's husband,

and like one of the other guys. Like they're having a like a sit down table talk together. And it's like, why is Shamiya hosting this? And why is it happening in the first place? Yeah, what? I thought Shania could do, like, I didn't know she needed it. much. Like, she was on that show that I was watching this. Danny, do you remember? What was it

called? Like, encore or something? Oncore, where was her doing like a day. Right, right, where it was like getting girl groups back together. Like, I was happy watching her there. I don't, I don't think she needs to do this, but maybe I'm wrong about her bank account. I don't know if her bank account is really getting that much from that YouTube show, but it's on It's true. It's on, like, Candy's YouTube network, I think. So I think it's a Candy and Todd joint. Like, I think they're just like, Shamiya, want to do this?

And she's like, yes. Yeah, right. Oh, she was waiting. She's like, it's her Anne Hathaway, it came true moment. I do love, candy does always help out her friends, though. So, you know, I'm sure, I'm sure Candy was doing it as a favorite. But I'm also, I'm just, why was I not in Candy in the gang? Can I do something here?

Right. Right. Like, is Shamiah just going to be absent from Atlanta this season? because she's been in she's been around for years now. So it's like, I don't, I don't need her to be a peach holder or anything. But like she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, hangs out. She, she, you know what? She is a loyal, a tender of events.

And, you know, that is sometimes all you can ask for for a friend of. Yeah. Yeah. She's, yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't have much more to say about Shemia. What, what were your thoughts on the Atlanta premiere? Are you liking Sonia so far? Thoughts on Drew, perhaps? I texted, so we have a Housewives group chat among our friends,

and I texted that group chat and said, this is the best episode of television I've watched in a very long time. I thought it was... You hear that hacks? Fuck Gene Smart. Jean Smart. Marlowe! No, truly.

I thought it was a... 10 out of 10, I think we had a lot of expectations, especially for Marlowe. Like, I feel like it was hard for Marlowe because, like, she knows that we all love her and she knows that she's been working for this peak. So I was interested to see how she was going to make her debut. And I thought it was a stunning debut, a stunning entrance to the show. And the funniest is where it has her doing so many things, but my favorite was when she was about to do their confessional, like, my name is Marlowe.

And the producer is like, they all know you. My name is Marla Pachos Hampton. I'm from St. Petersburg, Clearwater, Florida. Right. Right. Exactly. Oh, my God. I just love listening to her.

Describe the concept for her business. And everyone addressing the elephant in the room of, what is this business? How does it make you money? And it's like, so J-Lo's dress is here. She just kept on name check. There was J-Lo, Beyonce, and all those people. And like, they rent it. Hollywood is going to Atlanta to Marlowe's store to rent things for two days.

I don't... To rent Marlowe's clothes that only fit Marlowe. Like, I'm just like, what is this business? Right. Like, so there, if Disney is filming a movie in Atlanta, and they need, like, Sandra Bullock to wear a couture look, they can rent it from Marlowe for a day,

but they, I'm sure they're not allowed to alter it or anything. It's like Kim Kardashian and Maryland's dress. Like, they can't make any alterations. Exactly. They just have to lose 16,000. sounds. So easy. It's so easy. I'm sure Marla was like, I am Marilyn in a way. I loved the way they came together at the end of this season premiere at this party. And it just, to me, it's the peak housewives thing of where you can have an argument about the heaviest thing in the world

or the lightest thing in the world. And all I ask is that you entertain me no matter what. And these women, they're arguing about whether this looks like Paris, whether it was a quality event, whether who was talking about what is Sonia a bone collector in training? Like there was enough. There was so much happening about so little and that is perfect housewives. Yes. And how good was it to see Shiree back in full form? Like being like, what do you all think about the event?

Okay. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. I'll be right back. Runs over to Marlow all while making fun of Marlo and her confessional. Right. I'm making fun of the event in person to be like, people are complaining. Oh, God. Meanwhile, Candy's looking up Ralph's assistant on Instagram.

Oh, my gosh. I cannot wait for that. I love candy. I love that candy's getting in kind of like some like messy drama with the, with all the assistants. Yeah, which is kind of tackling everything going on. Because isn't she,

because she, um, Shire's assistant or ex assistant is now back in the mix, right? Yeah. There's, there's a lot. I mean,

these women, I feel like now, aside from, aside from like Drew and Sonia, I guess, like they've all known each other for so long. And so there's, layers to it.

Layers, definitely. Speaking of Drew, though, like, what another entrance for me? Because I was actually say I was like pretty bored with her and her husband last season, and I feel like this season, they are repackaging their toxic, toxic relationship and making it even more entertaining. She has really prepped meal kit plans and drama with her husband. She really has the subscription base going well.

And I love that they were just airing it out of a gym because I always get so bored at a housewife's gym scene because I'm like, what are we? I don't want to watch you guys live weights. I was like, oh. Oh, you back to have been left for a little bit. This was good. Yeah, there honestly is nothing I like less on Housewives

than like a weight loss storyline. But I love that we are starting the season by immediately not buying what Drew is selling us. Like, I think that's like, I don't know how to say this piece. way, but I think that's why this is different because it's a weight loss storyline and she can't do squats. You know what I'm saying? It's just like, like, it's incongrualant, which makes it entertaining. I felt like that was, Sonia right off the bat was having breakout moments when she's

like, how are we going to drop it with Drew when Drew can't drop it into a squat? But that was my question. And then I love to. It's like you're going to do like this fitness program when an Olympian is now next to an Olympian. Like, girl, sit down. You're not going to start like a singing boot camp next to like Mariah Carey. You have to really pick your lane from where you're going to be prepping what you're pushing. I do respect Drew though.

Like the confidence she has in herself. She's like, yeah, I actually did run track in high school. So yeah, I could probably keep up. I love that. And then her finding out on camera in the confessional chair that her husband, never actually saw any playing time when he was on the college football team was just beautiful. He was just on it. She was like, stop talking.

Right. Right. They are very confident couple. Like, let's just say that. They are perfect together. And I forgot too. I love that Bravo even kind of was in on their joke of her when they did like the before and after photo of her. And she's like, it was in two weeks.

And they just put like question mark. Oh, right. Because didn't she say she lost like 20 pounds? She said like 25 pounds in three weeks, but her Instagram story said 10 pounds in three weeks. And so it's not even about the photos. It's about you wrote a very different number. Exactly. I guess she didn't expect anyone to do 10 seconds of research.

As Hillary Duff one saying, if you can't do the math, then get out of the equation. So, Drew, you're going to have to bring your T-I-89 calculator next time you're on your Instagram stories. It's so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom Rack stores now and up to 60% off. Stock up and save on the brands you love like Vince, Sam Edelman, Frame, and Free People. Join the Nordy Club to unlock exclusive discounts, shop new arrivals first, and more. Plus, buy online and pick up at your favorite rack store for free. Great brands, great prices.

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It's coming out June 23rd. I want to know who you're most and least excited to see on this show after watching the preview. Well, I first want to say that I think that this preview is proving me wrong because I'm going to be honest and say I wasn't super excited for this show initially. Like my sort of stance on Housewives is like once you get fired, stay fired. but I am very, very, very, very wrong because this looks like an amazing show just off the trailer. I was really excited and worry to see Taylor.

Crest of Holland. Like she's still out here, which I'm happy to know, but. Yeah. I'm really excited about Danny. I feel like I, well, I mean, I feel like we just like saw her already, but I am so excited that Dorinda is going to be back on TV. Yes. And also she's coming in with a little bit of a victory lap because every, every, what was it,

Tuesday of last year, people were like, what are you doing here without Dorinda Housewives? Because she's just, you miss her so much. So I'm excited to see her. And I'm also excited to see Eva because she seems like, because like, we didn't really get, I feel like, I never really, like, got to, like, appreciate her so much when she was on Atlanta. Because she didn't give us anything. No, nothing. Because everyone's always, like, that one time on the bus with Marlowe.

And I'm like, did she really lap Marlowe in that time? I think they were all just jet lagged. So not really. So I'm excited to see with that. Who I don't. I mean, here's the thing. Dylan and Michelle, I don't know if you pick this up. It seems Dorinda and Jill are going at it.

So I'm worried to see Jill on this because we're, We're all excited to see her again, but is she not going to give us what we assume old school Jill will be giving? I'm very excited to see everyone I would say except Victoria Gunvelson. I wish she would go. But I think Taylor is kind of the biggest wild card for me, where I'm like, I just don't know what we're going to get. And I'm excited for that. But yeah, Derinda loved to have her back. Tamara, I think is a reality TV genius.

and watching her in the preview storm off in a jazzer size outfit. That is, that's what housewives is all about. And I'm glad. Yeah. I guess realized we all forgot to mention Fadra. Oh. What? I mean, I'm excited to see her and her blonde weave, you know?

It did slay. It, it's, look, and I'm just always so worried because, like, one of my favorite housewives of all time is candy, and I just want Candy to like me. So I really can't, I don't want to say anything positive about Fadra because they're, because I think Candy's entire thing always was,

if Aadra comes back on Atlanta, I am gone. So I don't know what this little inching on Ultimate Girls trip was going to be. My friend said, she did like accuse her of something like, not chill. Yeah.

My friend said it's giving, you didn't go to my event. It was, oh, fine. Yeah. My friend said the blonde is giving Fadra Minaj, which it really is. But I, that moment at the table in the preview when she says to Brandy, what made you think that woman was a lesbian? Her pronunciation of lesbian has lived rent free in my mind for years.

And so to hear it again was just so special. Lesbian. Oh my goodness. And then Brandy's going, the eyebrows. I forgot Brandy is a special kind of something that sometimes is fun on TV. That's what I was, she for me is the biggest wild card just because, Like, she will do whatever and say whatever in a way that is sometimes fun and in a way that is and in a way that is sometimes performative and in a way that is sometimes dangerous. So who knows what we're going to get from Brandy except for bigger lips.

Some face work has been done. I'm excited for the conversation because I'm pretty sure Tamara will mention and bring up an Ultimate Girl's trip that didn't. Denise tried to hook up with her at BravoCon. So having Tamara and Brandy sit that down, I'm excited to see how that plays out. And also, like, Denise has some, is kind of an icon because she keeps on getting brought up, despite not being on the show and doing nothing.

I'm very, I'm very intrigued to see Fadra and Brandy's dynamic, because I think it's the two, I think in the trailer it's also Fadra that's like, comfort stroking Brandy's head and saying you have to stop calling people cunts. And I'm like, I thought that I like, I dreamt that moment in a fever dream, but you saying it was like, oh, yes, that really happened. Like, I think the first girls trip was just like a very vanilla kind of energy and I enjoyed it a lot.

But this one, there's just like so much more nuance happening with the layers of darkness and who's in a good place and who has been through hell and back and maybe is still there. like, right? And also the girls on this new upcoming one have nothing to lose. Oh, they're fighting for their lives. Yeah. Like, like, Teresa, like, Kyle Richards is like going to be like, okay, let me go do this. Make Bravo and Peacock happy. Then I'm going to go back to like my show where I can kind of like run it. It's okay. All these girls have no shows. They're just going to shout until trying to get back on another show. I like that in the, in the preview, there's a moment where Taylor's like, I just realized. None of us are still on our shows. And it's like, girl, that's the whole point. Wait, can I defend her?

I think it she didn't realize until that. I believe it. You know, part of me, though, feels like Bravo might have sold it. Like, we're just going to get a group of girls together. You might know them. You're just going to stay in the song. Oh, my God. Absolute chaos.

I can't wait. And also next week we have Beverly Hills premiering. And there's been some new drama, or I shouldn't say new drama, already rehashing drama because they put out a clip from the season premiere where they're talking about Sutton's appearance on Watch

What Happens Live from September where she told this story about how Lisa and Harry came to the Elton John AIDS gala as her guest. And at the time, Lisa Vina debunked this on Instagram. And then they put out the clip

yesterday and Lisa Rina posted another all-text story on a rainbow background debunking it. And I just, I feel like I'm excited to see this play out on the show, but I don't love this thing where we're getting multiple Instagram story debunkings before the season has even premiered. Well, here's my thing, Rina. You know what? I need less emojis, more receipts. If you paid for your $10,000 ticket, that's a whole ass page of text. That's a Trevor Project ad. Like, what is that? It does not get better.

The same thing with Garcell and Erica Jane. I mean, it was like a fun little like glimpse into the drama, but it was like, I want to see this on the show, like not on my Tuesday morning walk, you know? Yes. And I think after, I mean, the big thing that we're going to be looking forward to that everyone has been so lip sealed about is Kathy Hilton season. And it's going to be a rough, rough one.

Right. Like what happens in Aspen? Who is Kathy yelling at or calling us? a slur. That's allegedly, I don't know. But I do think after the Denise and Brandy thing a couple seasons ago, where everything was playing out in real time in the tabloids, there's been kind of this move to like, okay, let's keep some of it. We don't want to know exactly what the season is about before it starts. And with this kind of like Elton John AIDS gala thing, I'm like, this is a fight I want to see you do on the show.

I don't want to actually care. I just want it to be, I want it to be entertaining when it is portrayed on the show. I'm not actually looking to figure out whether Lisa Vina has been invited every year since 2006. Like, that doesn't mean anything to me. Exactly. Yeah, because it's not that deep, A, and B, it's like, as Doreet would say, with orphans and widows, I still just want to talk about more about Erica Jane and everything like that.

I don't really give a shit about Ellen John. Love his music. Gladdy collab would do Elipa, but we're good. that's actually, I'm glad you brought that up because do you want to hear more about Erica Jane? Like, I think for me, it's like, I think now that we found out she's not going to jail, I'm ready to move on. Well, we don't know yet. I'm interested to see sort of like how she tries to move on because last season she was really just like in the thick of it. And she still is in the sense that there is all these court cases and stuff like bankruptcy and all of that.

Yeah. But like, I'm curious to see sort of if she has a strategy for like, I don't want to talk about this. So let's talk about this instead. Whereas like last season, it was just kind of like, shut the fuck up. What was your quote in the in the trailer about like. Oh, to Crystal? Yeah. What did you say?

No, you want to be, you, you side with the victims because you want to be cool. And then Crystal's like, no. And Erica's like, I only care about me. And we're like, no, we're aware. Right. Exactly. That's why I sort of, I actually wonder if she is going to deflect or if she's just going to like, this is going to be her new image as, as the villain. As the bad guy.

As the bad guy. Exactly. Oh, but there's that new girl who I forgot about who's like, you want a new villain? You want a new villain? Here I am. Yeah. Like, are we excited about her? What's her vibe?

Diana. Okay, I was going to say the way I don't even know her names. I think, I think we haven't. So like last season, Crystal was very like, oh, she's like. the wife of this director. She's, she's kind of famous already. Whereas I think Diana, like,

there hasn't been that much hype around her, but that almost makes me, like, more intrigued because I'm like, I don't know who she's friends with. I don't know where she fits in the group. Is she another, I think, is she another one of Lisa Rinna's friends

that she's going to try and ruin their life a year from now? Literally that. Wait, that's actually true, because I remember there was so much hype and buildup about, like, Crystal's in Hollywood. And then I'm like, Rob Mincalf,

you're very successful when I love you. But I'm like, this, okay, it's kind of, it was an interesting thing with that build up. And also I'm kind of like,

I don't really care about the, I love when someone's famous on Housewives, but I don't really care about like your Hollywood resume. I just want to see the drama you bring. And Chris did bring some good stuff last season. So I'm hoping this girl, but this girl seems he's going to be bringing even more. Yeah.

Yeah, she'll definitely bring back her leather pants, I feel. Yeah. But now her and son are besties. Yeah. That's going to be interesting because I feel like Crystal last season kind of aside. I mean, it's not that she had no conflict, but she didn't really pick sides as much.

Like she didn't want to piss off the Erica, Rina, Kyle side of things. But then also she seemed to really be getting along with Garcel. And so I think this season, I'm curious to see sort of if Sutton or not if Crystal kind of like makes her feelings known a little bit more. about like the status quo. Yeah, me too. I also wonder the role Garcel is going to play this season because she has, she has her own friends coming on the show, right?

Is that what I heard? I think she was one. Just one. Yeah, Will Smith's ex-wife. Right. So I'm interested to see, like, who she's going to be this season. I feel like she's like sort of done being like,

I'm done like trying to make you girls like me. Like I'm just going to like be who I. am and I'm excited for that. I think it'll, yeah. Because I like that because now it's almost like, because they, it's like four versus the Fox four or whatever. Yeah. And so it's like they have like an even playing field.

And I think kind of like with the Kathy drama, because it seems like Erica and Rina are really going at her and Kyle somehow getting involved. So maybe I feel like that side can like defend Kathy while also sitting on all these other, all the other ladies to bring it all around because I would like, I mean, it could, it could be a Beverly Hill shift. Wait. Who do you think is going to defend? Kathy, Garcel and her friends?

Garcel and Crystal. Because Crystal is like, and they're pretty like Pally with her. Wait, didn't Kathy use a slur, though? Well, that before that. Because right, what they're trying to do now, well, that's also allegedly. I'm not kidding. Careful, you're going to get the hook.

We'll never see you again. You're right. I want the record to show I would like to stay in a Hillen Hotel sometime in the future. Dylan and Michelle are good staying in a show where I don't even know. All I know. I was going to be like, oh, I'm going to stay at the red phone by Hilton. Never mind.

No, you're stuck to Airbnb. You're going to be Airbnb. No, never. I rebuked the devil. I rebuke it. I'll be at the motel six on the outskirts of town. Truly, truly. I take that back.

Kathy Hilton has actually never said a slur in her in her life. She actually learned a lot from Michael Jackson. Her friendship. doesn't see color. Her friendship with Michael Jackson is something that sticks with me in a very strange way. It should. I feel like there's no walking away from that scene being like, what? Like, that was her trying to relate.

She was trying to relate to Garcel there. Yeah. When Kyle Richards is able to be like, this dinner's going south. When she was able to look at Garcel, like, I'm overwhelmed. It was like, we all are. We're all overwhelmed. Oh, God. All new drinks are now at McDonald's, with refreshers like the strawberry watermelon

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I have not watched it yet, but I watched every single ounce of the season. So I can still chat. Okay. Danny, what were your thoughts, the Teresa and Melissa of it all at this reunion? Where are we landing? I feel the 20 minute back and forth of them just kind of going like, honey, we're not close. When I'm like, no, we all know that.

Like, you guys are just, you guys are just saying what we've all known and you guys have, like, kind of been denying. But what I do love about it is that it seems that they really do not end this reunion, like, how they've ended other ones. Like, you're my family. Like, I got to love you. Like, I think they're kind of, like, really iced out because Melissa recently has just been really on Marge's side and even after the reunion and everything like that. So I'm glad it's being said. I can't handle, like, Joe Gorgh, I really thought that walkoff was doing something. And I did not care.

Joe Gorga saying I quit on Real Housewives of New Jersey. It's just like, babe, no one's ever going to believe you. No. Wait, and then didn't Teresa say something? It's like, well, Melissa signs the contracts or something. And I was like, oh, I don't know if she really was a, that's what I thought I heard her say, but maybe she's not quick enough to say that.

But I do like, too, that Teresa was getting mad at Joe for being so involved in the Housewives drama when it's like every husband on that show is. They're like, I feel like they might, they could be paid as much as them. Like, yeah, I mean, the Jersey husbands definitely get paid and they like are officially on the show. So it's always been a little weird to me to do the thing of like stay out of women's business when it's like it's a TV show. Everybody's on the cast.

Like that's how it goes. And also I'm like, Teresa, this isn't women's business. This is business about your man's allegations. So like, yeah, we're going to talk about it. Oh my God. Marge just come back a couple of episodes. I get, oh,

she's like, no, the girlfriend said it, not me. I was just like, I'm not all, like alleging anything. The girlfriend said,

that's me with Kathy Ellen. Wait, but also, wait, Dylan, can we do like a rumor moment here? Okay. What are your thoughts

on the Jackie maybe being demoted? Yeah. I talked about this yesterday with Jordana. I just don't feel like it's necessarily warranted. No. After watching this reunion, my, instinct wouldn't be like, how can we demote somebody?

I'd love to bring someone new, but like, there's nobody on the cast that I'm like, oh, yeah, like they should be on the way out. No. Um, hmm, I don't know how, I actually used to not love Jackie, but in the, I'd say last season, this season, I'm starting to like her a lot more. But what is she bringing to the show? outside of her recovery. Like, I just feel like it's not a ton for me.

Yeah, it's interesting to see her at the reunion sort of also do the Melissa thing and be like, Teresa, yeah, we're not friends. I don't want to be friends with you. I'm good. Because then it's like, over the last couple seasons, one of her main kind of like things has been the back and forth with Teresa. And so if you're all of a sudden sort of checking out of that dynamic. Right.

I know. I wonder if like Teresa, I mean, Melissa, Margaret and Jackie were like, okay, we're all going to say like we're done with Teresa to try to have like a one-up. But it's like I don't really, can't really imagine Teresa going anywhere from that show. What shocked me, though, is I feel like nobody talked about this. At the reunion when Jackie was like, oh, I'm strong. And Teresa was like strong, you cried all season. I was like, I was no one dragging. I guess because there's so much you can save Teresa. I'm like, okay, fair, but she was crying about like going through her recovery and stuff. like that.

So I don't know, but I was like, okay, Teresa, you really didn't know what you were saying there. I feel like, it's exactly what they've been saying. They give Teresa a pass. She does the wildest things and they're just like,

it's almost like she's unlocked a level of like wild that people don't even aren't phased by it anymore. Like when she's fully fat-shamed, Marge and they were just like, Teresa, that was fat. Anyways, like, you know.

But a good apology. Right. But then do you remember the reunion last season? She said that she would never allow herself to be abused because she's strong. Right. So this is actually something that she has sort of, she's made claims like this in the past. And clearly this is something, this is how she actually thinks about these dynamics. This is not like, oh, I'm mad at Jackie right now.

So I'm going to say she's weak because she cried. It's like, no, she actually thinks that to be a strong woman, you. don't let your man abuse you, which is not how that works. You don't cry when something's upsetting. If your relationship is good, you never fight with your man, because that's a sign of weakness.

You're like, you know, like all of these kind of, it seems like deep-seated views that she has about being a strong person or having a good relationship. It's like, that's not how real life works.

And like in a different avenue of that, but kind of the same thing, which is like how like she's just set in so many ways, the fact that she's just set in so many ways, didn't invite Dolores to her engagement party because she's like it's for couples. That's not what you say to like your best friend of like over like half your life

and you're like, and I love like, Dolores looked her. And I was like, that's so fucked up because Dolores always fought for Teresa to the end. Oh, I was going to say like, Dolores will fall on a sword for Teresa

any day of the week. Like, if there's one person who gets an automatic invitation, it's Dolores, Katanya. Right. Like, and Teresa being like, we don't double date. What do you want me to say? And it's like, just say you can come alone.

Like, I don't know. Right. Also, like, let her bring Frank. Like, what do you mean? That's true. That's true. Like, Frank, Frank could be there. I don't know. I love Frank. We love Frank. Everybody loves Frank. And I think everybody hates Jennifer, maybe. I don't know. Everyone was just really, I loved Dolores going, you are disgusting. Margaret, Jackie, Melissa, I apologize for ever defending her. I'm like, you do not piss off Delo. Jackie, I mean, Jennifer's in a scary position on the couch because I would not want to piss off Teresa or Dolores next to them at all, but she was not holding back on Dolores,

and Dolores let her have it. Yeah, I feel like Jennifer has a thing at reunions where, like, that's when the gloves come off, and she, like, drops the most insane statements, and everyone attacks her, rightfully so. I kind of love it though because you can tell that she just like can't help herself. Right. And that is like, oh, it's, but I feel kind of, it's tough with Jennifer because I feel like during the season in the last half, she was kind of making some progress with Margaret and with Jackie and even with Dolores, it seemed like.

And then now back at the reunion, it's like, oh, it's really just her and Teresa are the only one, like, she's the only person that's kind of on her side. and even that, it's like, is Teresa really going to ever stick up for her? So I'm like, Jennifer, please just make a friend. Jesus Christ. I think it's so hard because all she wants at the end of day is like for Teresa to be like, you're my girl forever. And she's never going to get that. Like, she needs to realize that she needs a friend that's not Teresa.

No. Would Teresa do that for any person on the cast? No. She wouldn't do that for Dolores. I really don't think she would. Not at all. No, I feel like, I feel like Teresa's, like, ride or die is. Priscilla Dostasio the makeup artist.

That's who she actually cares the most about liking her because she needs that good beat every time she has an event. That, oh my God. A dream of mine is to meet Priscilla D. I'm like, she should have a,

she could do meet and greets. I'm being greet at the Menlo Mall. I will be there. Honestly, truly. Oh my God. She's at like the IKEA and Paramus. She's like, no, I'm by the other meatballs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, my God. What a dream. I would, I would die. If I was at the IKEA and Paramus and I ran into Priscilla Dostasio, that would be my dream, my dream non-celebrity sighting. I have to say, the other day I went to a wedding in Patterson. And, like, part of me was like, am I going to run into Teresa? You're like, I know, you're like, even like Kathy Wachaley, like, I know I'm in. the area.

Someone. Exactly. Someone may be at this wedding. And you just go up to her, don't call me, honey. Oh, my God. That is really, yeah, like, I don't spend time in New Jersey, really. But if I did, I would always be on the lookout. Oh, it's me and Michelle live in Jersey.

And it's probably the reason why is for a chance to see Margaret Joseph's or Melissa Gorgia. Truly. I would just die. Wait, wasn't Melissa Gorga at the Union Hall? Colin Hoboken. Yeah. She,

they make appearances. Summer House and Jersey. They love a Hoboken moment. Exactly. It could be really exciting. Yeah. There's no judgment in Jersey. Lived here for six months.

There's no judgment here. I just saw that Margaret and Ramona were at some event together, like taking pictures. And I'm like, Margaret, stay away. Right. I saw that too. It's just like, I know. It made me lose a little bit of respect for Margaret. Like, I know it's just a photo op, but also it's like, why?

But it's everything. It's not like, as Rina would say, in liking the tweet, it says everything. It says everything. Wow. You're so angry. And as Rina would say, Harry and I have been invited to Elton John's AIDS Oscars Gala every year since 2006. We were never Sutton's guests. It gets better.

She loves that. that text feature on Instagram stories. They got rid of that. I mean, it's the key because she's the only person they still uses it. Right. Oh my God. Well, you have to debunk your six-month-old watch what happens live T somewhere. That is true.

Somewhere over the rainbow, quite literally. Oh, my gosh. I'm so glad that you guys were able to come on. This is so fun. This was the most fun I've had in a while. Oh, my God. Tell everyone where they can listen to you, find you, follow you, all of that good stuff. For sure.

Yeah. so you guys can obviously listen to me every Monday, not another true crime podcast with Betches, and you can follow me on Instagram at Casimir Danny Cashmer with a K. Me and Michelle do pass the ox. You'll be able to see information for when we do our Bravo-themed one soon. It's going to be the next show. It's going to be the next show.

And yeah, you can find, well, you can watch Zeeway on Showtime every Friday on Showtime and every Sunday on TV. And then you could also watch a Black Ladies' Kick Show on Instagram, on HBO every Friday. And then you can find me on Instagram at Michelle NBD. No, no, that's not my Instagram. My Instagram is at M. Davis 94.

My Twitter is at Michelle NBD. We really got to have you pick one. I know. Well, because it's a long story. But M. Davis 94 is not available on Twitter. The worst. My Instagram handle is just at Dylan Hafer, but my Twitter is at the Dylan Hafer

because at Dylan Hafer is taken by someone who hasn't tweeted in like a decade. Right. They have to give it up at some point. Right. Exactly. He would not miss it. No. He doesn't even know when he has it, I'm sure.

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