Mention It All - Life Is Not A Cabaret (It’s A Gay Bar) Ft. Hayden Cohen

Episode Date: March 21, 2022

Dylan is joined by content creator and Bravoholic Hayden Cohen (AKA @hayderz) to break down a myriad of important bravo topics. First, they discuss Countess Luann getting kicked out of a gay bar, and Hayden weighs in on Tom and Katie’s split. Then, they discuss which housewives’ marriages are sacred, who’s receive harsher treatment for their scandals, and why Melissa and Teresa will never truly get along. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All, a Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With Dylan Hafer. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer. And today, I am joined by one of my favorite content creators, influencers.

One of my favorite follows in general. He is an aspiring housewife of Instagram. Please welcome Hayden Cohen. Hi, Hayden. Hi, thank you so much for having me. I am honored to be here. I have to say, like, you're one of my favorite follows, too. So to be able to do this together, it's going to be fun.

Oh, my gosh. Love to hear it. Thank you so much. Thank you for being here. We have, I feel like there's a lot of little news items happening in the Bravo universe lately. First of all, I want to get your take on the Countess Luann being kicked out of a gay bar for being intoxicated last week.

I, what was your response to that news? That, it honestly, it checks so much. like it's so on brand for her. It's so on brand for the gaze to kick her out. I feel like it's just, it's just the universe is working right now. And we needed that, especially with, you know, New York on pause. Like we needed some off season, like off camera drama to like lead us into this season. And so I'm really excited to see like when they start filming again, like how they're going to incorporate this whole shin dig into it. Exactly. Because at first she tried to deny it. And then a video surfaced of her, I mean, no one on earth could claim they weren't drunk in this video.

And so she had to post her little notes app statement saying, after a regrettable incident, I was faced with the truth. She apologized to the staff and anyone else she may have offended with her behavior. I think what you're saying, like when they start filming again, assuming that happens at some point, whether or not they talk about this incident, Luann can't just pretend she's like been sober for however long. And it's on her foet. Literally. And I feel like none of the other cast members are going to let her pretend that. Like, you know how Ramona is.

She's going to be like, well, did you hear what happened to Luann? Like, it's just going to have to be its own storyline, which I'm excited for. I love seeing things happen in the news with the Housewives. And then you're like, all right, how are they going to spin this into their personal story for the next season? So I'm really interested to see how Luann spins this. Speaking of New York, what are... How are you feeling about, because it's been a long time since they've been filming, still no solid information on who's going to be back.

Did you think, do you think they need a major overhaul or just some tweaks? Is there anyone you want to see come back next season? I definitely think they need a bit of a reboot. I need Sonia Morgan on the show, like in some form, in some way, shape, or form. I saw a couple of, like, articles that were saying that it was just going to be Luann and Ramona, and then everybody else would be like a new cast member or people would be brought back. But I think if they get rid of Sonia completely, like they are messing up so much. I feel like she's just like, she's the staple of New York for me personally.

I know a lot of people think Ramona is that or Luana is that. You know, I'm fine with everybody else. I would love to have Tinsley come back. I would love Dorinda to come back. I feel like that's really what will get people going again for New York. I mean, last season, it was just, it was a rough ride. and I think that people missed what it was with Tinsley and Durinda because it was such a core group and such a fun cast. And I mean, I loved, like, those seasons were just so iconic that I think people are really craving that again.

So I would be interested to have them bring back some of those people and have some new, younger, fresher faces as well. I agree about Sonia. I think maybe she doesn't always give the most in terms of storyline or whatever, but she's never the issue. She's not why the season is bad. I always thought her dynamic with Tinsley was so complex because, you know, Tinsley came on the show as her house guest and then there was this weird resentment between them. And I always enjoyed exploring that. And then I agree. I think Derinda, I understand why they kind of wanted to put her on pause as she put it.

But especially now that she's going to be on Ultimate Girls trip, it's like, okay, she's still in the mix. They don't, I don't think anybody's ready to like say goodbye to her. Totally. I think that her being on Ultimate Girls trip is going to be like her reintroduction to Bravo. And I think hopefully she did well during that time, which I assume she would since she was hosting the trip. Oh my God. But I think that she, people will kind of be like, oh, this is what we're missing with Durinda.

Let's like bring her back to New York. And I feel like that's just like the natural progression of like what's going to happen. Again, I don't know. I don't work at Bravo. so I don't know what they're going to be doing to us. They could have something totally different in the works, but I feel like that's just what's going on behind the scenes. They better have paid her so much money

to host that shit show at Bluestone Manor. It's one thing when it's the New York cast and it's like people she knows and is kind of friends with and it's a yearly thing. But to have Brandy Glanville and Fadra and like all of these people that you, she must barely know, coming to stay at her house,

filming a TV show, I would be like, write me a check for $2 million. Literally. If that shit show is like walking into my house, and that's like Dorinda's like house. It's not like a fake like rental apartment that like some of the housewives will like do for a season.

Like it is her pride and joy as Bluestone Manor. So the fact that all these people are coming there, like I'm so excited for season two of Ultimate Girl's trip. I think it's going to be a wild ride like more of a wild ride than season one was because season one is like people who like actually still have skin in the game. I feel like season two is like all people who aren't on the show anymore and they're like I want to make my way back. I'm going to start drama like let's go. So I'm very interested to see that. Yeah. Season one was like prestige TV and season two I'm I'm hoping it brings a little bit of like a Zeus energy. Like the conversation or Jocelyn's

Cabaret. I've never sat down and watched like a whole season of it because I just like have to protect my piece and not pay for the Zeus network. But totally got that. The clips and things are just so beyond. And like, people that think Bravo is messy, there's like a whole undercurrent of the world that you don't know about. Truly, that it reminds me of like the early days of reality TV, like VH1, like the surreal life or like flavor of love, like all those shows that were just like

so unscripted that it was almost like insane to watch. is Jocelyn's cap'ray. So I'm a big fan. And like it makes me miss the Bad Girls Club that whole. Oh my God, I love the Bad Girls Club. That like literally is the reason why I'm gay today. Absolutely. Girl, winter is so last season.

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I was a little bit, I was a little bit, like, shocked that it, like, happened now. I thought that would be something that happened in, like, five to ten years. I didn't think it would be right now where we're at currently. I am excited to see how they, how this happens on the show, if they are going to start filming soon. I feel like Pump Rules is kind of another show, like New York that's been in, like, a lull. And people are like, these people aren't relatable anymore. Like, I'm, like, kind of sick. of like these same storylines that are going on.

And now there's like some actual like real stuff happening to all of them. So I feel like it's that meme where it's like I need a camera and I need Andy. Like that is what Pump Rules is right now. So I was definitely sad by it because it's never like exciting to see a couple break up. But I wouldn't I wouldn't have ruled it out having watched the show for as many years as I have that this would probably happen. Right. There were some people. I was the same way like I was a little bit sad about it.

you know, like, it's always, it's the end of an era, and I'm glad they're still friendly with each other. But there were some people that were acting so heartbroken over this breakup? And it's like, were we watching the same set of events for the last several years? Like, I understand that there's that bittersweet energy, but it's like, I'm not sitting here being like, love is dead, Tom and Katie. Totally not. Like, I think that for me, if I'm looking at like the cast of Vanderpump Rules, the only people that would really like make me kind of feel that way would maybe be Tom and Ariana because like I think that they were the most stable couple

on pump rules and I would definitely be like more like shook to the core by them but this was I could see it coming and I think that anyone that couldn't have like rose color glasses on I'll say love is dead when Ken and Lisa break up like that's God yes absolutely 100% or Kyle and Maricio like I will actually like be like gut-wrenched if that ever happens, but we're not going to speak that into existence. I will say Kyle and Maricio, I feel like whenever people try to start rumors about them or whatever,

I'm like, shut up, I don't know. That's not real. We're not talking about it. There are some housewives where I'm like, yeah, give me all the tea. And there are some where I'm like, la, la, la, no, I don't want to know. Like, I will not accept any slander on this page. Like, get out of here. No, I completely agree when it comes to Kyle and Mauricio.

There's like untouchable couple goals. I don't know how they don't have their own spinoff yet. That's another conversation for another day, but hopefully they'll never enter that murky water that Tom and Katie are in right now. I randomly sort of feel the same way about Doreet and Piquet. Like, I don't, I just think they're, like, kind of the perfect couple. I mean, the fact that P.K.

like, sticks up, like, keeps up with Doreet's, like, bullshit. I mean, he's perfect for her. Right. He, he treats her like, she's, like, Jesus, walking on water. and she doesn't ask too many questions about the frozen bank accounts or whatever. And I just feel like they really have bought into each other's bullshit, and I appreciate that. And he just lets her buy all the name brand decaled jumpsuits, like the Fendi jumpsuit and the Louis Vuitton jumpsuit. And he's just like, go do you. And he's like, I'm going to do me with my offshore bank accounts.

Yeah, when there were rumors last year that they were splitting up and he's like staying in a London guest house, I was like, no, uh-uh, no. That's not happening. No, I don't see that happening. I think they both have too many, too many secrets of each other's to, like, break up. Because there is a lot of smoke and mirrors between the two of them. I mean, I love to read. I think she's an amazing ad for Beverly Hills.

But, yeah, there's a lot going on there that's behind closed doors. It's always funny, like, on a show like that or on Salt Lake, how there will be one housewife with an extremely public scandal. and then it feels like everyone else in the cast is kind of like, oh, that's crazy that that's happening with Erica. But like, let's not look too close to what's happening with me. Yeah, exactly. It's kind of like I can deflect onto that

and not actually like get into like what's going on in my behind me and my like in my house. Like it's kind of just like, and I feel like that's what they're doing like with Salt Lake. Like first of all, the Salt Lake reunion, I don't know if you like talked about this already on your podcast. but like... Please share all your thoughts. The fact that they weren't going as hard at Jen as they went at Erica, when Jen was the actual criminal in the situation, like, Erica's husband is the one that, like, did all the stuff.

Like, so she is just like his wife and a bystander. And like, if she knew, she knew, whatever, like, let it lie. But Jen is the one that is allegedly having done all of these things. And everyone's just giving her a free pass. Heather Gay is like, yes, I will stand by you regardless. It's like, okay, no, like, we need the same energy that everybody brought to Erica to bring to Jen, you know? Yeah, and also, like, Meredith is getting dragged for being friends with Mary, but nobody is questioning Heather's, like, undying loyalty to Jen Sean. And it's like, I mean, it's happily.

Yeah. It's a lot. It's a lot. I mean, I'm very happy that Salt Lake is, like, picked up the camera crew and was, like, back at it already. They know that, like, they need to, like, record all this stuff that's going on right now, especially with like her trial being pushed back now until I think it's like in June now when it was supposed to be like this week in March. But yeah, I mean, I'm really excited to see again, it's kind of just shows like what's happening in the news right now with all the housewives like I want to see what's going on.

Like it just leads you into like wanting to watch it even more. It's addicting. Housewives is just wild. Totally. And it's it's the kind of thing where I feel like it's sort of ebbs and flows like there'll be times where there's not that much going on. And then all of a sudden you're like, wait, I literally am reading in L.A. Times article about this fake pop star who is on this TV show that I watch that my mom thinks is like a porn star. Literally. It's insane. It all comes full circle.

All rows lead back to Bravo at the end of the day. I'm curious. How did you, what was your like intro to the Bravo universe? Which show? O.C. of the very first season of Real Housewives of Orange County. I think I was like 12, honestly, which like I should not have been watching. that when I was 12. But I mean, back then it was so, it was so much more innocent. It was like more

docu-series styled filming. But me and my mom watched real housewives of Orange County since the beginning. And then as each like iteration of each city came out, we kind of just like tacked it onto our watching our TV schedule. And I mean, it is like, it really is. People don't understand. Like it's a full-time job keeping up with all the housewives. Everything else on Bravo. Obviously, Bravo has like so much good programming. But like just the housewives in itself is like a I love that you're like a watch with mom Bravo viewer because my mother, my mom, like, it doesn't compute in her brain. Like I'll, I'll watch it sometimes when I'm home and she thinks it's like amusing in a very specific way. But then after one episode, she's like, okay. I mean, my mom is like,

she'll text me dirt while we're both watching like Real Housewives of Salt Lake City or like the Miami reunion. She was like, oh my God, I can't believe Larsa said this. Or, did you see what Lisa wore to that party? And I'm like, oh my God, yes. It's literally like we're watching together, even though we're not physically next to each other. I love that. Miami was so good.

Did you feel like this season was what it needed to be? Absolutely. I think that Bravo needs to bring it back to Bravo. Like, I know that they're trying to like have like peacock and like all these things be launched on that platform. But I mean, I think this season of Miami was probably better than a lot of the seasons that are currently airing of housewives. And I think that it's just doing it such as itself, like, a disservice and, like, not

promoting it to, like, all of the Bravo universe. And I know that they're replaying it on, um, they're, like, starting to, like, put the Miami house onto Bravo itself. But, um, I mean, I loved Miami. I think it totally lived up to the hype. I'm so glad they brought it back. I weirdly found myself being team Larsa in a lot of situations when you asked me that a year ago, I would have said, hell no.

I would have been like, nope, nope, nope, not me. But I actually was like, no, Larca's like, right, what's going on with me hated? I keep finding myself having that same conversation with different people that it's like, oh, like, Larsa really brought it this season. And not even in an annoying way. Like, I kind of am on board with her. And I feel like Larsa came from the exact right place this season to where even if you don't love her or don't agree with everything she says, you kind of can't not be entertained.

Like she's very watchable, and I think she kind of hit the nail on the head where a lot of people will root for her, but also a lot of people are just entertained by her. Yeah, 100%. I totally agree with that. I feel like also just knowing, like her relationship, like to the Kardashians, I feel like that, like, is a storyline in itself. And she didn't really shy away from it, I don't think. I think she hit it like, like you said, like kind of nail on the head of like how she should talk about it. And it wasn't in like a thirsty way. It was more so. and just like a matter-of-fact way of like where their relationship was and where it wasn't. And I actually, I like really enjoyed like most of her like the her storylines. Like when it came to like OnlyFans, I was like really found myself like interested in like the only fans break down of like what it looks like and her making $10,000 a day. I was like, okay, I want like a masterclass like a TED talk from Larsa Pippen on how to make $10,000 a day on OnlyFans because without showing your boobs, thank you very much.

Exactly. With just doing bikini pictures that her daughter takes. Like, I mean, I want to do that. I feel like any time a housewife opens up about finances, I always just want to know where the money's coming from, whether these women are actually have it like they want us to think they do. And like on the first season of girls trip, when they were having the conversation about cameo prices was kind of right up the same alley to me because I'm like, okay, Kenya giving Luan,

like a lesson on her. Like that whole thing is just, it's like so entertaining. And I love seeing that kind of peek behind the curtain of what it's actually like to live the lifestyle of a woman on this show. Because it's not just, it's not the same as just being a rich housewife. It's being a media personality. Exactly. The fame element is what's I, and I really, that's why I really enjoyed Ultimate Girl's Trip was because they like, like, even the first scene I remember is when they're all like getting onto the plane and they're like talking about who launched housewives into like what it is today and Ramona's like we were nothing until new york and then Kenya's like i mean look who has the highest ratings it's like i love this breaking of the fourth wall where like

they're actually acknowledging that they are famous and that this is like a show but like it's also their lives and again like you said the cameo pricing conversation was hilarious and it was just honestly so interesting to learn like how much freaking money that they are making from doing these cameos. Because, like, I've seen cameos like here and there and whatever, but, like, the fact that they're, like, breaking in hundreds of thousands of dollars from it is just insane. I don't know if you caught on the recent season of Celebrity Big Brother

when Tadra Call was on the live feed talking about his cameo strategy. Oh, I saw that. Yeah. People were dragging him because he was literally like, yeah, the key to being big on cameo is memorizing a script and changing as little as possible. And it's like, no, that's actually, like, the opposite of, what people want in a cameo video, so the fact that you're exposing that is like probably not

smart. Truly, it's horrible. And I feel like cameo is supposed to be like something that's like super custom. It's like, hey, I'm buying this for you for my friend who did this, whose birthday it is, who graduated, whatever. It's supposed to be personalized. So I saw that and was like, he is going to be losing a lot of money. And I think that the, like, Luanne and like Teresa Judeyce is like, their cameos like go viral. And then it makes people want to get them. Like the cams, of Teresa. Oh my God. It's going to bother me.

The Chlamydia one. Yes. Like that, I think about that so often. And it's just free marketing and free publicity for Teresa Judice and her cameo. I love watching the, like, wheel spin in her brain as she's reading the prompts in real time. She's like, your sister's brothers says, and now she's chlamydia? Yeah. Like her, her speech is like lagging behind.

Like she can't quite, she can't quite wrap her mind around what she's reading. It's just so freaking good. Like, I can't even handle it. Like, amazing. Quality production on Teresa's end. All new drinks are now at McDonald's with refreshers like the strawberry watermelon refresher. And the mango pineapple refresher with popping boba to crafted sodas like the Sprite berry blast with berry flavors and cold foam.

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never be able to just agree to disagree on this topic? They will never let that die. Like, either one of them, and they will stand firm in their convictions with that story until the day that they die or off the show and, like, write a tell-all. It's just, it is what it is. And, I mean, I kind of, like, support them in, like, standing their ground against each other. But I even saw on Teresa's Watch What Happens Live episode last week, like, Melissa's not in her wedding.

they just don't like each other and they're never going to admit it. I was just going to bring up the bridesmaid thing. Like, of course there's going to be people who are like, oh, she should just have her be a bridesmaid, keep the peace, blah, blah, blah. But I kind of am living for the fact that I feel like for a while there was this pressure for them to be like sister-in-laws that were loved each other and support each other. And oh, like we have to love each other and be on each other's team. And it's like, maybe we can just name for cordial. Like, maybe that's the best that's going to happen. And it's kind of refreshing to me that it feels like they're past the point of pretending that

they're ever going to be super close. Yeah. It's not, they don't have this, like, fake facade of being, like, one big happy family. Like, I feel like this season of Jersey, we're seeing it now more than, like, ever with, like, the stuff that's happening with Louie and Melissa's kind of, you know, Melissa, the people say she doesn't have a storyline. She never has a storyline. I think she stirs the pot a lot when it comes to, you know, Teresa and Louis.

And I think that she's in Margaret's ear a lot, like telling her kind of what to do, what to say. And Melissa's always on Margaret's team over anybody else's. So it's really interesting to see, like, how that conflicts with, like, Teresa's side of things. And I like seeing them on conflicting sides of, like, the coin, I guess, you could say. Just because, again, it is very real. Not everybody in the world gets along with their sister-in-law or, somebody that their friend is dating or like whatever it might be. So I'm glad that there's not like, they're not faking it anymore. And they're kind of just like, we don't like each other. And

sometimes we argue, but like we're family at the end of the day. Right. And even if there are times when they are getting along or whatever, if you split the cast down the middle, they would never be on the same side. Because Melissa is always going to be closer with Jackie and Margaret than she is with Teresa. You know she can't stand Jennifer. So. And you know, Teresa can't stand. Um, Jackie. I also think it's really interesting, like, Dolores and Jackie's dynamic. Like, I think it's very similar to, like, a Teresa and Melissa, like, obviously they're not sisters-in-law, but whatever, or whatever. But you can just tell that they genuinely don't like each other and that they're kind of, like, they're forced to be in the same group of friends, but if they weren't on this show together,

they would never speak to each other. So I think it's just interesting that we have those dynamics playing into it, too. And I love, I love an even fight, like a three versus three. for the housewives, like, I think it's good. I will say I enjoy, like, larger casts, like, Atlanta. I think it was, like, Atlanta season, like, maybe season 10 when they had, like, eight housewives. They had a lot of friends and a lot of, a lot of people in the background when Kim was back, and Shemilla was always, yeah, Marlowe.

Yeah, and I love those, I like those, like, bigger ensemble cast more, but I feel like with Jersey, like, at least what I'm seeing on, like, Twitter and what people are talking about in the Bravo universe is that we've had this same cast for so long and people are like ready for a shakeup. I actually like Tracy. I don't know why I shouldn't get an official like friend of or housewives title. But I've seen some people don't like her, but I'm a fan. I think Tracy is doing a good job of trying to kind of get in there.

And this is a very established group at this point. So I think it's a hard thing to do. And we saw Michelle really flounder last season. when she tried to get in there. But I think it's hard because her, Tracy's angle in the last few episodes was that she was kind of trying to mediate between Teresa and Joe. And it's like, I just don't know if that's really what you want to be, like, getting involved with. Like, maybe you could focus on your friendship with Melissa or get closer with someone else.

But it felt like she was kind of trying to take on Teresa before she's sort of... for that. Yeah, I mean, that's a beast in itself is taking on Teresa. I mean, Jackie did it, but she had, like, to get her feet wet a little bit with Jennifer. I feel like that was, like, a good sparring partner for her at first in her first couple of seasons. And then she, like, graduated and was like, all right, I'm going to sit at the big girls table and, like, try to take a stab at Teresa. And we all know how that ended. And I think it's hard because even in the context of the show is one thing, but there are always going to be so many defenders of Teresa online. and, you know, just in the audience that it's hard to kind of, as a new housewife or a new friend or whatever,

you probably kind of want to try and get the audience on your side a little bit. And I think getting in between Joe and Teresa, there are just like a million people online who are going to be like immediately know. This girl needs to get out of here. Who is she? I always wonder that. It's like, I'm sure they do. But so many housewives have to go into the season with like a strategy or like a plan of

how they can make themselves be perceived as like a well-liked person, or, you know, obviously you don't want to go against, like, the fan favorite. So it's interesting to see, like, how housewives do that, who's been successful in the past in doing it and kind of, like, changing their own narrative of, like, how they're going to be perceived by the audience. I feel like Doret is somebody that did it, like, pretty well. Like, at first, people didn't like her because of Panty-Ey, and then she kind of, like, buddied up with Erica after that,

because Erica was like a big fan favorite. And now, obviously her and Erica have like established her like a really good friendship. I feel like it's interesting that people right now are kind of more like pro-Durit anti-Eriko when a couple seasons ago it was the flip side of things where everybody like didn't like deriate, everybody loved Erica. So it is interesting to see like how much of that stuff is calculated versus how much is like authentic and real. Yeah.

So I feel like Camille is another one of those housewives that kind of did a personality change between season one and season two, but I'm not sure it was exactly successful for her because that was her last season as a full-time housewife. Yeah, honestly, I mean, I think Camille doesn't get enough credit. I've always been a Camille Stan. I want her back full-time. I think that she understands the assignment. She keeps it moving.

But definitely after season one, she, like, kind of went too much to the opposite side of, like, how she was portrayed in season one. Like, she was trying way too hard. So I think that that was kind of like her downfall in all of that. Right. Like it's fine to kind of adjust how you're handling your castmates, but I don't want to see you completely change your personality. Like, because then I'm just going to be thinking, okay, I know you probably have a million things you want to say, but you're holding your tongue because you were sick of getting mean tweets. And that's not, you know, like the behavior shouldn't be influenced too much by social media comments because then it feels less authentic.

Mm-hmm. And I mean, I think she kind of proved that it was inauthentic when she came back as a friend of and just started like throwing daggers like left and right to random people. Like when she stormed off the reunion set with like her mic hanging out and she's like unzipping her dress. Like you could see that like that was the real Camille. And like I appreciate her in that form because I know that like was her being authentic. She reminds me a lot of Ramona who like is just. so unfiltered and just like says whatever comes to mind and like doesn't care about any of the consequences. But Ramona kind of more so owns it than Camille does. Camille tries to pretend that she's like a little bit more like, like I'm for the girls. Ramona's like I don't care. Like I'm just, you know, you don't support other women. Like that whole thing. Like, oh, they just. Right. And with Ramona, it's like every once in a while we'll get a like sweet Ramona attempt. And it always feels so forced that she's like, she's like, no, no, no. Bethany, I'm there for you. I'm trying to be a good friend and it's like, Ramona, please.

When she's crying in the pool when they're in Mexico on that Mexico trip, and she's like, I don't know, I don't know. And everyone's like, what is she doing? Like, what is going on? Like, I mean, it makes for amazing TV, but it's also just like, are you serious right now? Yeah. Also, just from every, I've never met her in person. I've been in the same room as her, but everybody that I've ever spoken to,

It's like Ramona's the worst housewife to deal with. So I can only imagine like how wild she is in person, just from like seeing what she's like on TV. Like I can't even imagine how it would be like being around her. I would honestly be a lot of. A fun, like specific story is that at BravoCon in 2019 for the New York panel, she was there. And it was her and Tinsley and Luanne and Dorinda. and the photo op for with the Roney cast was right after the panel and it was in the same room. Like they were on stage.

The photo op was like off to the side. And so the four of them did the panel, but then Ramona was like not on the list for the photo op. And everybody was like, oh, that's weird. Like they probably just like made a mistake. But she literally didn't do the photo op. So the other three of them were on stage for the panel, stepped off the stage for a moment. and then like reappeared to do the photo up

and Ramona just disappeared. Rona's like, I would rather dive than spend 20 minutes taking pictures with fans. But that just is what makes Ramona so lovable in her own way. Lovable and also makes me want to like wring my own neck. But you know, she's great television.

Again, she's somebody that I will continuously watch and enjoy watching her on TV. Yeah. feel like it's telling that even though Roney has been so bad lately, we somehow both started and ended this conversation talking about Real Housewives of New York. Yeah. We just, we need it back and we need it to be better. We really do.

I honestly think it just needs like a little bit of youth and a little bit of nostalgia. And I feel like that's like the perfect combination. So like I would say keep Sonia, keep Ramona, keep Lou Anne, bring back Darynda and Tinsley and maybe like two new girls that are like a little bit younger. than them, but somehow still connected to them. I feel like that would be a little bit. Tinsley's got to know some ladies under the age of 50 that could do this.

100%. And even I'm thinking, like, I always think that like Olivia Palermo, who did like the city years ago. I always wanted her to be like a housewife of New York. And she has to know Tinsley somehow. They have to be able to connect in some way. They were both

it girls. I'm like 1,000 sure that they have crossed paths. Like, I feel like I've probably seen a photo of them together. I just, I used to attend like fashion week and front row. Like, I just, I know it's, I'm manifesting and I'm putting it out to the universe that it'll happen. And I think that we need that. We deserve it. Maybe we can get Topper Mortimer's new wife, ultimately Tabitha.

Tabitha and Tinsley on the same cast, that would be wild. They can bring her to the premiere party without telling Tinsley, she's going to be there. Oh my God. No, I would actually pass away. That would be. Oh, my gosh. Hayden, this was so fun. Thank you so much for joining. Tell everyone where they can find you, follow you, all that stuff. Yeah, you guys can follow me on Instagram, on TikTok, and trying to keep up with the Gen Z-Zers. My handle is haters, H-A-Y, D-E-R-Z. That's pretty much me in a nutshell.

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