Mention It All - Lights, Camera, Erika! (RHOBH Reunion, Winter House)

Episode Date: November 4, 2021

Dylan is back, and joined again by Sami and Jordana to break down the final part of the RHOBH reunion. They evaluate Erika’s performance, and identify some key points that still aren’t adding up. They also discuss Rinna’s puzzling apology for everything she’s ever done, and why they keep casting her friends on the show. Later, they also recap Winter House, and debate how Kyle and Amanda’s relationship works. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Betcha's Media presents. Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All. A Bravo by Betcha's podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With Dylan Hafer. Who don't check me, though. And Barry Rosenfeld.

I need to start drinking alcohol. Now go to sleep, we. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mentioned All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer. I'm so excited to be back after these last couple episodes that I've missed. And I am joined again by Jordana and Sammy. We're going to be discussing, of course, part four.

Beverly Hills plus some winter house. How's it going? How's, how's Thursday so far? You know, we've recorded a podcast with each other. So, you know, that's where we are so far. It's good. Honestly, Thursday is my best day because I got to talk about just things you love, things I'm interested in. So, yeah, most of my Thursdays are podcasts. But this is the end of our residency at the Mention at All podcast. So I'm feeling pretty sad about that. I'll have nothing to do on Wednesday nights anymore. I mean, you could still watch shows. You just won't have anywhere to talk about them.

Yeah, well, I was saying, I feel like this is definitely not a goodbye. It's a see you later. But I feel personally like this Beverly Hills season has now sort of come to a natural stopping point. And knowing that they're already filming season 12, we've gotten numerous different photos of like different, you know, There was a group dinner. There was Erica and Garcel. You know, they've been out and about. I feel like it's time for a little breather.

We can, like, move the story forward a little bit. You know, Der Reitz robbery, I'm sure, is going to be, you know, a big early storyline. So, like, I think as much as I enjoyed this season, I almost am like a little relieved. It's over because I feel like Erica kind of said everything she really could, even if it wasn't satisfying. like it was clear by the end of part four that it's like Erica doesn't have any more information to share. Right. Like we can have more moments of her, you know, yelling at Sutton or being annoyed with Andy. But, you know, it was time to be done for now.

I totally agree. I feel like after watching this reunion, I do feel like the sweet spot is three episodes. I think that four is a little much. Well, I'm grateful for four. gives me something to watch. I can't remember who was saying this, but Barry and I have talked about it before that honestly, a lot of reunions that are three parts

should be two. So then when you have a reunion that's four parts, it's like, yeah, three might be the right number. I think three for like a good, juicy drama-ridden season is like a good amount. If it's like a season where, it's like if it was like New York and they did a reunion, I feel like two would have been more than enough.

Half hour watch what happens. live. Yes. I love how we're like talking about this as if it's not completely driven by how many advertisers they need to please. Like that's really what it's about. Absolutely. I mean,

there's a reason that like certain shows always get three parts regardless of how juicy their season was. Like they are like the Beverly Hills ad spots are being sold regardless of whether anything happened in the season. Um, so I'm sure they were, you know, happy that they had enough to share.

There was on Watch What Happens Live last night, which was with Page and Sierra, they showed like a deleted scene from the reunion that was like Garcel and Erica getting into it. And I'm like, guys, we had four parts. Why are you cutting anything that is remotely interesting? Like there was there was enough time. Show me all the good parts on the actual reunion. You could have been right. Yeah. I do you feel like anything new came to light this reunion. Then. past episodes? I think she had, Erica had her best reunion, but I also think the production really did her a favor by not putting Sutton directly across from her, because I think it's sort of

like energetically, really the real conflict of the season was between Erica and Sutton. Yes, it was about Erica's legal stuff, but like they didn't really make like an Erica and Sutton section of the reunion, and that was

very much like missing to me. It was all, they spent like probably a total of about two episodes. Basically, Andy asking Erica questions and then sort of all the women, you know, having their moments where they were also asking Erica questions or getting into it with Erica. But you're right that there wasn't ever a time where they were like, let's roll the clip package of Erica and Sutton having their thing. And like when they were talking last night about Erica threatening Sutton, it was like a question for Erica.

And then Erica basically just, I think was like gaslighty about what she was actually saying. Because she's like, no, I didn't threaten you like in a real way. I threatened you like if you're struggling next season, I won't be graceful toward you. And it's like, that's not what you said. Let's all just agree. That's not how it came across certainly in the moment. And like I think everyone, regardless of how you feel. feel about Erica could watch that and be like,

you don't think she was talking about show politics for next season. That felt like a very direct, you know, menacing thing. I thought it was interesting the difference between like, I think Erica did a good job, job for everything that like she ever, as good of a job as she could have done.

I think she came out not looking worse than going like, I think before she, if anything she's like at worst, she's like the same at best. she's like, I think people have slightly better attitude towards her almost because she was like down to answer whatever, even if it wasn't like a really good answer or a non-gast lady answer. It was she still answered pretty much everything. And I thought it was interesting sort of like the tactic for being in the reunion if you want to come back versus if you don't. Like Denise, it'd feel like if you compare it to like Denise who was like sort of in her position last year.

And Denise was just kind of like not really like kind of like half there. not really answering shit, like didn't really see, but like Erica's trying to still be a character on the show. She's still trying to work for the audience to an extent. And I thought it was very interesting to see like the different way that you act, like based on your next season. Right. Erica was obviously, you know,

there were moments where she was lashing out or whatever, but she was not trying to burn bridges at this reunion. She was trying to, I do think, I do feel like, watching it that she really did say as much as she could. Unfortunately, I think she's falling back on the same talking points a few too many times of, you know, I'm not a liar, I'm not a victim, but the problem is that she can say that as much as she wants, but the behaviors that she's showing

don't necessarily confirm that that's actually how she feels. And I think the victim thing, especially, she talks so many times about how she's not the victim. She needs. She needs. She knows she's not the victim. She knows there are real victims who need help more than she does. But then the whole time she's talking in general, it's like, this happened to me. Look at my life. How are, you know, so and the, and then when Andy asked last night about her talking to Tom, which I thought was a super interesting thing that we hadn't really dug into until then, and he asks, you know, if she's asked him if he did it. And her response is that, she's asked him how he could do this to her and leave her in this position with the lawsuits.

Right. Nothing to do with anyone else. That was like one of the worst moments for her, I think, because I don't see how you could watch that and not have the feeling of. So your only real concern was yourself when it came down to it. Right. She's very, very concerned with herself. I'm very upset. You left me holding the bag.

It's like, oh, okay, so that's your concern here. Her delivery was actually pretty emotional and pretty like in that way. I don't know if she's just a very good actress, but she did seem very genuinely emotional about her own pain. I did enjoy her performance in Chicago. I've always stood by that. She's pretty good, generally speaking. I think though, like, I mean, so she, she's basically saying like, How could you do that?

But she's like, okay, when he calls me, I say, I said, how could you do this to me? How could you let me be in this position of everyone suing me? But I'm kind of like, if you didn't really know anything, then like, you already left him. Like, why would you say that to like your ex husband? Like he, why wouldn't he be like, why did you leave me when I became, when I became had dementia? Like, why would you leave me in my weakest point? Right. And you would also start way before.

why did you do this to me? You would start with like, how could you have done this? How could your, our whole life have been a lie? Right. It would have been a much more like existential question. So like I feel like she came across probably like 10% better than ever, like than she ever has more like sympathetic. But at the same time like she didn't she still.

I sort of see her as almost like a Carmelas soprano where it's. Like, you know that the money is being made in a sketchy way. You don't know the details in a way that you'd be liable for it. But, you know, she clearly knew something because her whole attitude would be different towards him if she were just finding this out with the rest of the world. Yeah. And I think that's a good point to when Andy asked kind of about whether she knew there was anything shady and she responds that she never would have come on reality.

TV if she knew that there was anything shady going on. That to me was like a little bit unsatisfying because it's the sort of thing where I don't think she would have come on reality TV if she knew that there was like an investigation going on. I mean, Jen Shaw, it's questionable. I think more questionable. Like you were actively being investigated. With Erica, it's like, you know, my husband's rich.

He's a successful lawyer. We don't ask a lot of questions. she never really had to explain on the show where all of her money came from. It was just like Tom's a hot shot. I also think to Erica, like this was normal. Like she, part of why Tom was able to get away with all this is because he kind of like had people in the bar who were looking out for him and people in the police department. And you even saw them like interact with the police chief in one of the episodes.

Like one of her first scenes. For first episodes. So it's like she probably just thought like, you know, what? Like, this is how it is. Like, sometimes there's like a moral people who were like, you know, getting theirs by by doing shady shit. Maybe she didn't know the full extent. And but, right. What I don't understand is like once she figured out what was really going on, why didn't she completely change her direction in a way that would have made her, I think, come out looking better and you'd feel bad for her. And like, I don't understand why she didn't

play that. What was so hard about getting out of her own head? and being like, what should I do? I don't think it's in her nature. Her nature is to be like the strongest person in the room. And like the like don't, I think her, she is more interested in being like powerful than sympathetic. Sammy's like she should have gotten bangs and started wearing jeans and sweaters. Honestly, like not even that. Like I'm not even saying she had to like put on that kind of thing.

I think if she had just been like. I think she tried that. beginning like I'm moving into my tiny house on two acres. No, no, no, that's not what I bet. No, that's not what I mean. If she had made this about like, like almost a breakdown of like, how could my whole life have been a lie and my husband have, who I thought was amazing, done this horrible thing to all these people. People would have naturally already felt bad for her. If she had, if she had felt bad for the victim as people would feel bad for her. Yeah. And if she had once said like all this money and this stuff that I bought, I feel so

guilty knowing that it was at the expense of other people. And I want to do my best to try to help them recover that money. But instead, in court, she's not doing that. So it's like, why wouldn't you do that? And then you're like giving yourself so much more longevity as a person. She can write a memoir. Even if she said, I don't know, because I can understand why she'd be like, I'm not going to admit to guilt publicly, like saying that there definitely are victims because that's just bad for me legally. Even if she said, I don't know what happened. Even, you know, if this thing's happened, that is completely awful.

And like, even if she said if, like, I feel like it would work. But instead, she didn't do that ever. I think this isn't a direct comparison because of the victim aspect. But when Teresa got convicted and went to prison, she was really open about the fact that, you know, I feel like people pretty. much bought the idea that she didn't know what she was signing and she got roped into this thing. She did her punishment. And then she was open about the fact that she was doing all of these appearances and stuff because she needed to make money to support her family. And, you know,

she's writing the books and doing all this stuff and staying on the TV show. And I think that could easily tip into people being like she's profiting off of her, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but because she felt really, it felt like she was kind of laying it all out there. I don't think anybody was like, why is she doing an appearance at this club, like, when she is convicted of fraud? And I think for Erica, it feels like she's sort of been living in this in-between world where it's like, look at my life, look at how horrible it is, but she's still bringing two glam people to Del Mar.

And I think that's why it's so frustrating when she is like the worst thing that anyone could possibly say is that she's a liar. And that's another example of where I think she comes across as kind of a gaslighter because if somebody lays out a specific example of when you said something that wasn't true, that is a, that can be an example of a time. you lied and them saying you lied isn't the same as like, you're the least trustworthy person I've ever met in my life. And you must have been lying about all of this other stuff. And I think Erica is sort of making this bullshit kind of narrative where it's like Sutton, how dare you call me a liar because of this one specific thing. And I don't think Sutton is really putting that much weight behind saying that something was a lie. good, so good.

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Work your magic. I have to say, Erica being married to Tom for what? 20 something years, 20 years. Yeah. You don't like, you're not married to like a good lawyer for 20 years and not pick up any tricks. Like, yeah. She speaks like a lawyer.

She's very, she's actually kind of good at it like in terms of like what you said, like the gaslighting thing, like the way she can sort of turn the narrative around to make it her own thing. And I do think that comes from being married to a lawyer. That is what that's what a good lawyer kind of does on the trial in the stand. Like they kind of twist the story before you even know what's happening. She never answers any questions directly. She always answers a question with a question.

Like, specifically with the liar piece, which I do not understand this like obsession with like if someone calls you a liar. Like people lie all the time. People lie like on average, I believe eight times a day. So it's like no, like you are a liar. We're all liars. Right. There's a difference between there's a difference between I have told a lie in my life and I admit that because I'm human. and I'm an untrustworthy person who has a reputation of being a liar.

And I think she is the latter. She's making this false equivalency between those two, where she is trying to blame Sutton for thrusting this reputation of being a liar upon her. When it's like actually Sutton is just pointing out a specific time when something you said didn't add up or didn't make sense. And hearing her once again try and. explain these car accident stories is every time it's like baffling. And I know this has become like the biggest meme of the season. We have the whole robbery story on a pillow, betjids.com slash bravo merch. But truly every single time she talks about it, the viewers as well as the whole

cast on the reunion couch is like scratching their head, trying to follow it, trying to match up what she said before. And it's just different every time. Tell me what you see. Right. She's like, actually it was nine hours because I did the math. And then also, you know, this didn't happen. And no, there's not a police report. And I'm not going to talk about the snow. It's like, I'm not going to talk about. Like, why not talk about the snow? Why that's the one thing you won't talk about? I'm not going to comment on the snow. I looked up the weather in LA that day. It did snow. I believe that there was snow. Well, she should just say that. It's all very. weird. I mean, she is not, the liar thing that she gets very hung up on is, it's a defense. It's like someone asks her like, Andy asked like, why are you so triggered by being called a liar? And she's like, well, would you want to be called a liar? And it's like, that's not what the question. Right. It's a question with a question. But it's interesting because there's questions with questions. I feel like Sutton,

although she has like the right intention and vibe, it's just not a formidable opponent for Erica. She just cannot she's not aggressive enough and she doesn't have. have like the same bark. So she really can't go against Erica. She will lose just because Erica is like louder and like more intense. But Andy I think did a good job for sort of like filling in the gaps where Sutton couldn't because she's a little. She just can't do it.

So I think Andy did do a good job of like taking the reins and being like, okay, Sutton's not going to push back on you in the way that like everyone wants to see. So I'm going to have to do it for her. I think the thing with Sutton is not. It's I do think you're right. but also in a separate from whether or not she has the capability to sort of go there, I don't think, I truly don't think her motivation is to destroy Erica or to take Erica down or to make Erica even look bad.

She wants answers. She wants, she wants Erica to be good. Like, she doesn't want Erica to be the villain in all of this, but she is, like, having trouble with it. Whereas if you had somebody like, an. LVP or Camille or if the stars had aligned differently, Renna could have been like this where they really were, you know, sort of on a mission to, you know, dig up all the evidence and dig up all the dirt on Erica.

It would have been a much different season. And I don't necessarily think it's bad that we didn't have that. But it's like, I do think, I agree with you that it was good that Andy clearly had a long list of questions that he was going to ask no matter what because the cast. like, come back to clarity. Yeah. I think he,

the, Andy's best skill is that he like doubles down instead of letting them just have the bullshit answer. He's like, but what about this? Or like, but you said that and can't you see why someone would think this? Um,

and no one else will do that. So I'm glad he did. I also thought it was interesting that Erica was like on any other, um, franchise like, like this would have gone differently. everyone here is so precious. It's like actually on every other franchise, you would have been fucked.

Like, right. And Potomac? Oh my God. They would destroy her immediately. Everyone would. Literally, Giselle would like come wearing like a shirt that says like Tom doesn't pay his taxes.

Like there would have been a clink clink. Like I think also I saw somebody point out on, um, Twitter that it was interesting that she at first just said, she said, this wouldn't happen on Atlanta. this wouldn't happen on Potomac and Garcel kind of like raised in highbrow and she's like, or New York.

And it's like, I don't, I mean, that's a whole can of worms. This wouldn't happen on New York. Oh my God. The first ones that came to mind were like the casts of black women, which I think is interesting. But in general, it's like. They would have ripped her apart. Right.

It would have been a conversation that ended with her being like dragged for Phil. Yeah. Completely. I mean, that's what they do. that's why Beverly Hills is so annoying is because everyone, it's very L.A. and then it's all very kind of like fake and like people are showing what they want to show

and they want to show like their money and they're like nice stuff. And every like I think it talked about this before. Like everyone greets each other in such like a bullshit sweet way on Beverly Hills that no one in any franchise does. Like in Beverly Hills when they all come to a party together at Doretshouse, you look incredible. Oh my God.

I love this. I love this outfit. New York they come together and they're like, oh my God. Did you hear that like Sonia like totally made up that she slept with that guy? Like she's such a loser. And they all like say that to her face. It's like a completely different greeting.

And notice last night when Erica sort of clapped back quickly at Derreet about her own lawsuits, that was something we weren't going to touch. Clearly it was like they showed a little clip package and then we were moving on to something else. And so yeah, it's like there definitely is kind of an air of we're going to talk about the topic that we've decided is the topic. and, you know, that's kind of going to be the, that's kind of going to be what we're doing for now. And nobody's going to change that, right? What about Kyle throwing Andy under the bus about like the, you heard the rumor too, Andy? We heard from the same person.

And like, oh, boy. We know it was Bethany. We know it was Bethany. Yeah. I mean, they put up the article. I wasn't sure. And then they put up the article. Right.

I do think that it's like Erica, it's a little odd to me when Kyle's like, well, I heard a rumor and I assumed it was untrue. like we hear hundreds of rumors about each other. I actually assume most rumors are true. But then when Erica's like, why didn't you come to me? Why didn't you tell me about it? Why didn't you bring it to me right away? And it's like Kyle just said that, I mean, these people are in like page six radar, all of these like all about the T, like these random ass websites all the time.

And no, you're not going to text everybody about every article you see because if you assume it's not true, then it's no big deal. That's why we've had a whole storyline on Potomac about this, like, dumb blog rumor about Eddie cheating. It's like, yeah, because you aren't supposed to take that stuff seriously. Right. But if it's in the LA Times, then yeah. And this hit piece in the LA Times, it's like, we didn't call you a lie or kind of the LA Times did. Like, it's not. I, but also we get a little moment within all of the Erica stuff last night of Rina kind of having to grovel a little bit again for her past sins, which I still don't think was entirely fulfilling as a, as a viewer who didn't seem sincere.

Yeah. So basically, Andy asked the question, you know, like, Rina, you've changed. Why, after all of these other incidents where you didn't give a fuck about seeming like an asshole? Are you like, guys, we have to support Erica no matter what? And Rina, rather than actually having an explanation for that, it's just like, you know what, Andy? I feel horrible for everything else I've ever done on the show.

I feel horrible for Kim. I feel horrible for Yolanda. That's one of my biggest regrets. Easy to say now. I feel horrible about... Her apologies were all like the same thing, but in no way. I feel horrible about Denise, even though I told Garcel that I'm not ready to actually apologize to her yet. And I'm just going to blanket say, I regret all of those things that I did on this show for

six years, but Erica, I'm sticking by her. It's like, what? It's like you're sticking by the one, like, really questionable one. The others were like struggling. Like Yolanda had an illness, like a chronic illness. Kim has an addiction. Like, she picked on those people. Right. Those, those were all situations where Rina was going against someone who really could have used an ally in a way that they were like genuinely hurting. Whereas Erica could use an ally because people are abandoning her because they don't want to be legally implicated in something. Right. Because she's like implicated in something that has like affecting orphaned tsunami victims.

Right. Like Denise may or may not. What did Kim Richards ever do to an orphan? Right. Like she wants to destroy Denise's marriage and like bully LVP when her brother just committed suicide. And like, but Erica like this incredibly like not. contrite in no way sympathetic person who has like a full investigative piece on her in the LA Times that's the one that Eric that Rina backs you would think that Rina

hearing all these examples and watching her own behavior like all in a montage she might instead of being like oh I did something wrong in each of these situations like why wouldn't she think like oh I'm not I'm maybe bad a shitty person because literally a minute later she's saying I'm a great friend good friend You know what? Despite all of this, I'm a good friend. That's the one thing that I will stand by. Right.

It's like, wouldn't you just say, like, maybe I could work on being a better friend. After watching the montage of your shitty behavior. You know what? I got the note. I'll work on that. One of my favorite Bravo accounts, Raven at mainly Bravo. She tweeted how it's always funny how housewife apologies get framed as like, I'm sorry that happened.

Oh, she said that. They used the passive voice to talk about something that they very actively did in the past. And so for Rinnett to be like, the thing with Yolanda, I wish it hadn't happened. And it's like, you did it. You didn't. Say I wish I didn't do it. Housewives and politicians are one and the same. And that was really the original concept behind the betches sup, to be honest with you.

Once you become aware of how people use passive voice strategically, it's very like, you notice it a lot. And it's like, oh, this is, yeah. No, I get why you're doing this. And it's a clever little trick. I'm still, I'm with Garcel. I'm still kind of mad at Rina for what you did to Denise Richards. I'm in a point where I don't.

Mad at Rina just for like being the shitty person she is. Like, I'm more mad at Rina for not, for doing, for constantly having friends on the show. And it seems like she's going to have another friend on the show next year. And then throwing each and every one of them under the bus when they are, at their worst point. I don't particularly care about the Denise situation anymore. Like, if Denise is ever coming back on the show, I would love to explore it. But for now, I'm kind of like, I don't particularly enjoy that season while it was on.

But I do, Sammy, you're totally right that there is this pattern. And I think basically everybody watching the show at this point has identified the pattern. and the majority of people watching the show are kind of sick of it, or at least think that Rina is kind of a shitty friend. And so it is a little bit suss to me when they started filming. And the first kind of like new person that we have word about is this woman, Sinella Diana Jenkins. There's a lot of information about her on the internet.

And she's being kind of, at least on the internet, talked about as Rina's friend that's coming on to the show. It's unclear. She definitely has some, like, I think she knows Kathy, too. It's hard to know with these women. But like, it's like, we're, I want to see, I want to see that's a controversial Kathy season. The thing is, Dylan, the second you posted that, I was like, Diana Jenkins, like, I

know that name. I've seen it, like, I've seen it written places. Where did I see it? And I, she's involved in, like, the yachting world is where I, I, I had. I'd seen it in the past. So it should be interesting. Yeah. There's,

it's, she has a lot of like legit business stuff. And then there's also some like questionable things. If you, if you, when I say yachting, I don't mean like boats. Oh,

interesting. I want to see, I kind of want to see them go for Kathy a little bit. Me too. I want to, I think that would be fun to watch. I really think big Kathy was like a cult leader and her kids were her, um,

like members. and the members, like, like, I really do. And I think that, like, we're all, that's what really the true narrative of the real housewives of Beverly Hills is. It's like, what did big Kathy do to these girls? Kathy will buy the whole Bravo network and shut them down before she allows that to be the plot. Well, that is, it's a very interesting plot. Here's my thing with Kathy.

I, when she came on the show, obviously she came on as a friend of, she didn't want to commit to it, you know, whatever. Great for her. She doesn't need the money. But at the reunion, she was there for like three and a half parts out of four. She got to stay at the end and have her little, what would you do differently this season and have her moment apologizing to Garcel? They're treating her like she's a housewife.

She was at all of the filming events, basically, except for Garcell's dinner. And so I do feel like this season, it felt like everybody kind of had the kid gloves with Kathy. And I think that was fine because we got a lot of great moments from her. But I think if she's going to be on next season as much, she at some point is going to have to sort of like step into the ring a little bit. Even if it's not, even if it's not as heavy as what you want to bring up, Sammy. Like even if it's just like have a stupid disagreement with somebody,

that's what Housewives is. Honestly, I can't see her doing that. Like, I can't see her disagreeing with anyone other than her own siblings, like in a real way. Like, I can't see her really. said something about her mom, she might, that could like spark something. That would be the only way. Maybe they, maybe she wants to respond to my allegation.

I would, I could see her having like a little spat with like Doreet or Rina. I could see that happening. I can't see Doreet or Rina having a spat with Kathy is my, is the reason. It's like they would immediately see it ground to her. I know. Maybe Garcel wouldn't, but I feel like there's respect there. I think that's the tough thing about Beverly Hills is that there are always these weird power dynamics of people. And we've seen it with Erica this season. Clearly, the majority of the cast

doesn't really want to go there with her for whatever reason. I think we've seen that, you know, we saw that for a long time with Lisa Vanderpump and then the bubble kind of burst. You know, I think at the beginning of this season, Kyle was saying that she was like nervous to be, you know, to like speak her mind around Garcell. Like those dynamics are, they can be interested. to watch, but at the same time, they can also sort of stifle the natural events from happening if people are always kind of tiptoeing around certain cast members. Is anyone cut from next year? No.

No, everybody, I'm not sure if Kathy has been seen filming yet, but everybody else has. Kathy has too much real world power, like, not show power. You know what I mean? Like, there's show influence, and then there's, like, real, real L.A. influence. Like, I think Kathy has too much real L.A. influence for any of them to, like, go against her. I guess we'll see. Like, the same reason they won't go against Kyle on the show is because she has, like, the most show influence. Yeah. I don't expect anyone to go against her in, like, a major way, but I would love to see just, like, a little bit of a spat, a disagreement here or there.

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This Austin and Lindsay and Sierra situation is really, it's really tough for me to watch. I just feel. How could it not be? I mean, Lindsay just, they're on such different pages. Lindsay saying that she thinks that Austin is like putting her on the back burner until he's older and then is going to come around and date her. I'm like, I don't think that's what's happening. I think you're, you know, kind of lying to yourself about what this situation is.

She says she's a front burner kind of girl, which I think 99% of people would describe. That's not even saying you have main character energy. Right. It's like, yeah, like nobody really wants to be played. Like not a back burner. Like you're the main girl. Okay. Yeah.

She's like, you can't just put me on the back burner until you're ready. Like I'm a front burner kind of girl. I'm like, you know, like every like that. Okay, good. You have like self-esteem. Just out. Yeah, or maybe. I have, I mean, Lindsay's an amazing reality TV person.

Like she truly is. I've seen rumors that Lindsay and Carl are dating. They did a couple's Halloween costume. Yeah. Is that the source of the rumors that costume? So there are other, it's been kind of circulating. They've played coy about it. At the book release party, Bryce Sander asked them about it.

And they were like, and Lindsay was like, I'm really happy right now. And they like, maybe they're afraid to fuck it up because like I do feel like the two of them like as they get older. they don't something I'm happy about is that I do feel like Lindsay and Carl have not gone the like let's be crazy or like let's be like wild reality people who are just always doing things for controversy and like fucking up our own lives. I do feel like they care about their lives. Yes. You know? And I think also, you know, they have a season of Summer House that is waiting to be aired. And I think that potentially there could be some spoilers if they're coming out now and being like, yes, we're in a happy relationship. So. I think in a few months we might have a little more clarity on that. Yeah. I think that'll be exciting. I ship that. I ship that couple.

I can't believe Kyle is like almost 40 in his house. And like he's with these like 24 year olds. Like it does see, like you forget. It does seem a little weird. No one's 20. Sierra is like 24, 25. I think she's 25. Oh yeah.

She's 25 now. She was 24 on Summer House. Austin's 33. She's 25. They have an eight year difference. And Kyle's like, that's perfect. Amanda and I are nine years apart. I'm like, sure.

Okay. Yeah, I mean, he looks young. But like, it is weird. I do think there's something weird about being in like a house with mostly like 25 year olds if you're 40. Yeah. I honestly think it's not that weird because of the ages range from like 25 to 40. Like they're all sort of like there's 30 year olds. There's 28 year olds.

Sierra is young at reality TV ageless. Yeah. Like I think some of them are 38. You know, there's enough of a range. It's not like all 25 year olds in Kyle or like all 40 year olds in Sierra. Like they're all sort of within it. Yeah. I think the thing that makes it a little bit weirder maybe, not like bad, weird, but just like an odd dynamic is that if the expectation is that most of these people are single and they're going to like hook up with each other, you are going to get some like. age differentials of like I don't know if you're I imagine that not all like 35 year old single

people would be trying to hook up with like a 26 year old so yeah what do you think about Amanda and Kyle because I mean obviously they got married but do you think that they sort of like embellish their fighting for the show or it's like that they let their fights sort of like go further than they would go if they were in like their real life because they seem they seem happy and to love each other but what but you watch them on the show and you're like this is not a good functional couple i was wondering that because it just seems so like it seems so like dramatic based on the fact that nothing is really happening like the first the night on this episode when they like do the beer olympics and kyle is like sobbing because he

can't find Amanda and she's in the bathroom. And it's like, I know that you're drunk and that, you know, emotions can run high, whatever. But like, what are you, what are you, like, actually upset about? Like, it doesn't seem like, okay, so they, you know, Kyle's been working too much. Amanda wants quality time together. Like, that is an extremely, like, standard pedestrian relationship dynamic issue. Like, okay, yeah. So, like, Kyle probably needs to make a little more time for Amanda.

and that's something that they can both, you know, work on together. But like it is kind of funny that I feel like they probably are conscious of making drama, but also like the show wants to frame it as drama. And it's like that's not really drama. That's just like working on your relationship. Right. Well, what I think is probably what I kind of guess is going on is that like when you're in a real fight, you know, with your partner, you're, you know, you kind of could go either way.

like you could kind of keep letting the fight go by being like more mad or you could stop it and communicate or like take a break. But because they're filming, I think they don't do that second thing and they let it go. And they maybe know sort of like, oh, we're doing like this was for the show, you know. Yeah. And they're, I mean, they've been doing this for a long time now. It seems like we've, I mean, we've progressed thankfully past the point in their relationship where it's like, like Kyle got drunk and made out with another girl.

It's like now they're arguing about like their bedroom situation, which I think if you're going to be like seriously together with someone and getting married, that should be sort of the caliber of argument you're having, not like did you fuck someone else? Right, right. It's true. The growth is the growth is good to see. Yeah, totally. Oh, now that he is almost 40, I would imagine.

You're going to keep reminding him. I am going to keep her. I mean, it's just, I mean, Andy, Andy asked her on the show. Like, do you feel like it's weird that Kyle is almost 40 and blacking out on the thing? And she's like, no, like, it's, I think that if there's any huge issue in their relationship, it's that Kyle who is almost 40 frequently blacks out and like kind of is mean to her. But is he blacking out for the show or is he blacking out like on a normal night when they're just chilling?

You know? They have, I mean, they basically have the same, um, stats in the relationship. as Brittany and Jacks, except for not having a baby. And, like, I feel much less darkness with Kyle and Amanda. Way less. Way less. Like, it does feel like, it really does feel like the, the drama is heightened in their relationship is heightened for the show.

Well, here's the, we've never seen them in Vanderpump rules and Summerhouse are two different shows. One is filmed in a very, like, time where you're putting people in a house with other people. We never see them really, like, in their day-to-day lives. Like, Vanderpump is supposed to be about their day-to-day lives. They're not all, they're never in a house for like three weeks all together with the rest of the people. It's like an ongoing reality show. I think summer has is a totally different dynamic because they're put in a very different situation.

I actually like was thinking about this yesterday that I was like, wow, it would be fun to have like a show in the fall where it's like them just living their lives in the city. And then I'm like, I don't actually think we need that. Well, it heightens all the drama when they're all in a house. Right. And I don't think that it would be like more enjoyable to watch them going about their lives and like grabbing lunch like on a housewives show. I don't think that would be more entertaining than whatever shenanigans they're doing like in the house. Well, that's why on the reality on housewives they always have them do a trip or two because they need them in a house where they can't escape each other for like a long for like a prolonged period of time because that's when you can't.

can't, like, escape the drama. Like, you can get dinner with someone and then leave and you're fine. But if you put someone in a house with someone for, like, three days plus, it's going to get weird. Yeah. Especially if there's already weirdness. Right. Yeah. If you're confessing your love to someone, the first night you show. Exactly. Well, this has been so fun. I'm so glad you two were able to join me for these, this little capsule of Thursday episodes. What a, what a Beverly Hill season. It was a whopper of a season. I'm upset that this is over. This is like a, this was a, I feel like I've been on this train for a full year because this is a, oh, it's one year since the election. And that was the day that they filed for divorce. So this has been a dozy. Yes. Yeah. Well, thank you again for

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