Mention It All - Love Bubble Blues Ft. Jordana Abraham (RHONJ Finale, Summer House)

Episode Date: April 27, 2022

Jordana Abraham is back on on the show to discuss the RHONJ finale, which ended on a chaotic note during the Nashville trip. They discuss Teresa and Louie’s headache-inducing behavior, and whether Jennifer and Dolores were successful in playing both sides of the group. Dylan also shares some reunion insights from Margaret’s WWHL appearance. Later, they discuss Summer House’s Prom, and what it really means when someone blames the edit for their performance. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ha ha, laugh, funny, Mention It All, a Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it with Dylan Hafer. We'll go check me, both. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer, and I am joined once again today by one of my favorite co-hosts, Jordana, Abraham. Hey, Jordana.

Hey, Dylan. So good to be back. Excited to be here again. I've had a little break. A little break. Lots going on, but we have a lot to talk about today. We have a New Jersey finale. We have a summer house prom.

We also have some exciting news. BravoCon is coming back this fall for the first time since the inaugural BravoConn in 2019. I have to say when this was announced, it's like I'm excited but also a little stressed because I feel like I'm still catching up on sleep from when I went to BravoCon in 2019. What was it like? Was it just like a party kind of? It was, it was like a party, but also, you know, because of what I do for work, it was like a work event, but also like a party, but also just it was very over, like, overstimulating in every sense. Right. It reminds me, I mean, I haven't been, but it looks like it's like the Disney World version of like Bravo, if it were Disney World. Like you see all the characters, you take a picture.

You see all your favorites. It almost like they're fictionalized. And it's like you, you'll just like turn around because obviously people have their assigned times that they're doing panels and photo ops and whatever. But then also everybody's just kind of like hanging out. And so it's like you'll walk into the, you know, food area. And it's just like, oh, it's Kyle. That's so funny. Right. It's alternate reality where all your Bravo dreams come true.

I know. I'm very excited. We'll await more details and information. Also, I just wanted to do a quick little tease. We have some exciting new merch coming on Shop Betches for our Bravo collection. If you are a fan of our New Jersey wine glass that's been a best seller throughout this season, we might have one coming up for another franchise very soon and some other stuff coming down the pipeline. So you can go to betches.com slash bravo merch if you want to check out that exciting, you know,

collection. The housewife stuff is the best. I know. And I have like, I have so much of it in my apartment from like a mixture of things that I've been sent and also some things that I've purchased myself. And I genuinely like I have the, we have coasters. I'm using one right now in the studio that have Bravo quotes on them. And I'm like, it makes me happy every time I see the coaster. Isn't it the best when it's like, when the quote just fits the exact moment that you, that you like, think of it or need it? Yeah, it's delightful. I, you can use Bravo jargon in everyday conversation.

It's like the L. Woods application. It's my only, my only skill in life. Let's talk about this New Jersey finale. You, we didn't get to talk last week. We are on this trip to Nashville, which, weirdly enough, is the season finale. It seems very out of ordinary. I have to imagine that they do. did some filming after they got back from Nashville and just, I don't know if not much happened

or they decided not to use it. But it was very strange that it was like where it's the last night in Nashville and also the season's over. They usually don't end with like a character storming off. Like they usually end with like a nice little like event where everyone is like cheersing and sort of happy together. So I thought this was a little odd. Yeah. And I appreciate a finale that has drama to it, but also you usually feel like there's a little bit more closure. And it kind of makes me wonder if they weren't really able to get Teresa to cooperate and do some more like closurey filming after they got back because it really seemed like if they had that, they kind of they would have used it at least for a little bit, like a few minutes.

I don't know. Totally. Well, the theme seemed to be almost like her exit interview was like, I. don't need any of this. Like I've got Louie. So it's almost like, I guess, fitting that she was, um, it sort of ended on that note because that was sort of like what she was saying. She's like, I'm really happy and I don't need any of this like this, which we all know was like the show. The dedication to the love bubble really has, uh, has persisted throughout the season. And it's funny because the love bubble, like I get like when she's like, don't pop my love, blah, blah, blah.

funny, even when she's talking to Louie, and it's just the two of them, she's like, we have to remember, we're in the love bubble. Nobody else can come in the love. And it's like, this is really, that's, she's leaning into the love bubble. And I wonder if there's like a merch collab or something coming up. Right. Usually when, when somebody on a reality show starts to drop like a catchphrase a little too much, it's like, okay, put it on a hat.

Maybe that's her new book title, popping the love bubble or like keeping the love bubble. Her new Valentine's Day collection of something. Yes, I'm the next pair of leggings. It's like the love bubble butt leggings or something. Yes. Love it. So what was your kind of thought process watching this Nashville trip and the way that it seemed like Teresa really, the kind of every group opportunity to me, it felt like she was trying to have a big moment with Margaret.

And I actually liked seeing the way at the, when they were at the, the chicken place, how Margaret kind of was like, I'm not going to give this to you right now. Right. This isn't the time, the place. We'll talk about it later. But like, no, I'm not engaging. Not at this moment. Yeah. I mean, and then you see at the, what I like about, what I like about this, about Jersey in general is that they do seem to have moments of like vulnerability that's, again, seem authentic.

and like it makes you think like in a fight with your friend like it would just it would just be hashed out if you could both just say where you're coming from and like the insecurities that led you to be there and it was so weird because it seemed like they were almost about to resolve it like they were getting closer at the at the last scene restaurant when they were talking and then something happened where like someone got mad and it was ruined but like i really liked the fact that teresa was like listen like think about it from from my side like i i I found this guy. I think it's so great. And you think about her, like her past few years. It's like she's been alone. Both of her parents have died who she was extremely close to. She meets this guy.

She's so excited. And she's like, she is so excited to be with this person. And she's so happy that like, even Margaret asking a question just seems like a threat to this happiness that she's found for so, like that she's been wanting for so long. And it did make me feel bad for her.

I think it was, one thing she stopped just short of, of doing is taking any responsibility for anything as she does. But I did like somewhat, she did give us somewhat of an explanation for like, here's why you asking a question was so triggering for me. Yeah. And this was the first time in a while, I feel that we've really been reminded of their past as friends and kind of how they did have this bond. And, you know, Margaret doing the flower thing for after Teresa's mom had passed away. And then, you know, they really did have a good bond at one point.

And I think Margaret is right when she says, like, I've always cared about Teresa. Even when we've had our issues, I've never had ill will toward her. Or like, I've always wanted kind of the best for her as a person, as a mom, as a whatever. But then, like, they have these little flare-ups. and we revisit the ponytail pole when Teresa had egged on Danielle. And I think I kind of, I agree with Margaret in a way that she was pretty quick to forgive Teresa for that. I think that could have been, that could have been the type of thing where you sort of cancel

out someone as a friend. And I feel like Margaret kind of was like, okay, as long as Danielle is gone, we can try to move forward. Right. But in this situation, it's really tough because I think, think I think Margaret is telling the truth when she says that she didn't want to ruin Teresa's relationship. But at the same time, like you said, I understand why Teresa is frustrated with the way that Margaret kept bringing it up.

But I just don't, I don't, I definitely don't feel like all of the things that then Teresa has said about Margaret are in any way warranted as a response. Like you can talk through it. You can talk through your issues. on the level that they're on without, you know, retaliating in six other ways. And I think that's that's where Teresa really is losing me right now is that it's like, is that it's like when she straight up says, I wasn't fat shaming you. And it's like, but you were.

Yeah, you were. Right. That's, that's really her, her main flaw is that she is an inability to cop to any wrongdoing. There's no real sense of I. It's like kind of like, I did this because you provoked me. or I did this because like and she thinks someone saying why she did it is an is is the same as an apology and it's not. And I mean, I do think on Margaret's end it's interesting because she's like, I'm all about putting it out there. When you met me, I said I was cheating on my husband with the carpenter and I had an affair and like that's and I understand the idea of like, okay, but that's you and that's not everyone else. And like if Teresa wants to to face her you know what I mean, her ghosts or her demons in her own way.

So I think, but Margaret also is not, I agree, like, Teresa's retaliation was so crazy and so over the top that if she had just, if they had this conversation on literally filming day one at the pool party and Margaret was like, there's all these questions. And Teresa was like, listen, I'm, I'm really happy and like, I've been so miserable for so long and I'm just like so excited to be with this guy that like, just talking about this is just driving me crazy and I'm scared I'm going to react in a in a really negative way. Like if that had happened on day one, this whole thing would have been avoided. But instead, Teresa's reaction to anyone asking any questions is to just try to pummel them

into the ground. And she thinks that's an effective strategy for getting to shut people up, which for some people it is, not for Margaret. Yeah. And I think anyone, like even if you are, even if you lean more team Teresa, the way that she was kind of pretending not to know or not to care or, you know, when she was saying, oh, I don't know what this video is, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, that doesn't make it, that doesn't make me believe that she doesn't care. That makes me believe that she doesn't want to talk about it, which is a different, a different thing. And she specifically, she blames Margaret's bad energy from making me turn into that.

And it's like, it's like an abusive sort of like way to just, let's just, that's. It's like an emotionally abusive way. Like you made me do it. You made me verbally abuse. You made me hit you. Like you made me be like physically assault you. Like that is not an okay response. Yeah.

And I think, I mean, separate from whatever is happening with Margaret and Teresa, I got to say, the more time that Louis spends on camera is not reassuring me that he is the perfect guy that Teresa wants us to believe. the way that he speaks about his exes is really, really rough for me. He's talking to Joe Gorga. He pulls Joe aside at this last night to ask for his blessing to propose to Teresa as if he's her father, which I guess it was nice. I don't know, whatever.

Right. I didn't have a major issue with that. I thought it would have been nice if it was off camera, not at a group gathering. Like it didn't seem authentic. It seemed like Teresa was like. ask my brother on camera that you want it. Like she almost told him to do that so it would like be endearing for him. But I think if it was authentic, he would have asked him like privately and not in the middle

of a group dinner. Like who does that in the middle of group dinner? It would be, yeah, it would be one thing if they were like at the house and he was like, hey, come over, come to my room. But it's, it is like strange thinking back to when they were on the shore trip earlier this season and Teresa had her big freak out and they stormed out of the house and she, you know, They broke the fourth wall. And her whole thing was that Louis didn't sign up for this.

He doesn't need to be asked all these questions. You know, he's not on, he's not the one on this show. And then the more we see, it's like, but he clearly doesn't mind being on the show. And he really is playing right into, I'm sure, what the producers love him to do, which is he's taking Teresa on the boat and he's bringing the big scroll and doing a whole gesture and he's having all these one-on-one conversations with Teresa about the other women. And now he's pulling Joe aside on, by the way, the second group trip of the season that he's attended.

And it's the last night of filming. And he's purposely asking Joe on camera for his permission when he says they're not going on this trip to Greece when he's going to propose for like another month. There's plenty of time to have this conversation once you're back in Jersey. Like, whether or not you think it's a problem that he's doing this stuff on camera, he's clearly fine playing along with the show. So then going back to earlier in the season when Teresa is making a whole big deal out of he didn't sign up for this, it's like, well, he obviously did.

Right. And you can't just choose to like, he only signed up for this if he looks like the doting fiancee that saved me from like all these bad people. Like, that's not how reality TV works. You don't get the edit you want. the edit that like is real. And so I think he does, I think he wouldn't mind being on the show,

but he's like he wouldn't mind being on the show as long as everything is portrayed of him being like amazing. And that's what, that's what makes me really wonder whether Teresa wants to stay on the show because she doesn't have control at the end of the day over how they're going to portray her. And the vibe I'm getting from her in this finale

is very much. much like we're not going to do this if they're not going to make it good for us. Yeah. Yeah. And like, you know, we don't need this. We're done. We're walking away. And obviously, walking away from the cast dinner is not the same as walking away from the show.

But it's, it feels like she's starting to lay the foundation of like, I care more about my love bubble than I do about you bitches. And like, depending how the reunion goes. that could be a kind of a one-way ticket to where you don't really want to do the show anymore. And yeah, I totally think she's laying the groundwork for that. And it's interesting because, like, that, all that stuff was sort of said, said without being said subtly on this last episode between her exit interview. But then also, like, Louis being like, let's get out of here. Like, we, we don't need this.

I'll take care. He said something like, I'll take care of you. Like, you don't, essentially, like, you don't need the money from the show. Um, and, you know, we have this 50,000 square foot house or whatever, I don't know, whatever, how many, do you know what I mean? Like, that was so tacky. Yeah. But it was basically him being like, like, if we're not gonna, if they're not going to play along like, again, like we, we have enough money. I can take care of you. Like, you don't need this. You don't need to do this. Essentially. Name dropping the square footage of your home is really a new one for me. I'm like, okay. So tacky. It's also just like, do you know what I mean? Like, does that mean? Like, does that mean? Is that how you're showing your worth, like, that she doesn't need these people? It's not like, I love you. It wasn't, he wasn't like, I'm unconditionally supporting you. I love you.

I'm here for you. It's like, I'll work. You don't have to work. And like, we bought a big old house. We bought a big house where you can just go home to instead of having to like talk to these women if they're not going to kiss your ass. Oh, and that was he also said, Margaret wants to be in your shoes. I guess him alluding to the fact that he's saying that like Margaret wants to be like,

like the head the head bitch in New Jersey, I guess, right? Yeah, he's a direct quote. I wrote this down because I felt, I thought it was so wild. Margaret is starving to sit in your seat. I'm like, damn. I've never really felt that. Like I honestly have always felt like Margaret sort of enjoys doing the dance with Teresa on this show. Like I think Margaret is really good at showing up and playing the game kind of with whoever is there. And so I actually, don't think of her as somebody who's like trying to snatch the center seat and get Teresa off her show. But I mean, I think it's telling that that's kind of how Louis sees it as somebody who's come into the group this year. And I mean, speaking of how he sees other people, I want to go back

to when he was talking to Joe. And Joe, to his credit, is kind of like, hey, like, I'm glad you're making my sister happy. But like, what's talk about? There's some stuff. What's up with the past? And I appreciated in that moment that Joe was not just kind of like, yep, sounds good. Right. And Louie is talking about how he had these, quote, desperate, thirsty, low-life exes who have said all this shit about him. And I just don't, I don't understand sometimes why people don't think about how what they're saying is going to come across. because to me it really just feels like even if somehow every accusation against Louis is 100% fictitious, which I don't really believe that.

Right. Even if. And that's what Joe said too. Right. Like even if speaking this way about all of these women, when you're being, you're the one kind of under pressure and the other women in the group have questions about you and you're trying to prove how great you are for Theresa. it's like, just don't, don't speak that way about anyone, about women, about, you know, people in your past, it's like, what does that say when you're saying that everyone I've dated since I was married was a desperate, thirsty low life? It's like, yeah. Exactly. What's it say about you? And also like,

what does that say about the current person you're dating? Right. And I feel like Teresa watching that would be like, see, he's defending me. He said all these other girls were low lives. And it's like, It doesn't actually reflect super well on what's going on right now. And it makes me think that he is pretty manipulative, just generally speaking. Again, like if he's like the whole like not any of these things necessarily individually, but if you add them all up, it's like he's saying that everyone in his past who's accused him of anything is crazy in a low life. He's, he's sort of whispering in her ear about like Margaret wanting to, to sit in her seat.

he's talking about how she doesn't need the show because she has all these things like I think he's sort of like a little bit more manipulative than he comes even then he comes across on camera because on camera I think he's trying really hard to be like I'm just like obsessed with Teresa and we love each other and we're like

desperately in love but you do see little snippets of like things coming out when he gets heated and even when he was telling her like I'm going to leave if you don't let me speak or like, you know, in that original fight. Like there are these little hints of someone who is, you know, questionably like trying to manipulate Teresa and the situation. So I'm really interested to see how this plays out personally.

I was surprised to hear. Margaret was on Watch What Happens Live last night. And she actually kind of had better things to say about Louis post-reunion. She said that she and Andy were saying that Louis spoke a lot at the reunion and actually had like some good things to say. It seemed like they both kind of felt that way. So I'm very intrigued by that. I feel like the reunion trailer is pretty intense and exciting. So I'm hoping we get a really good reunion from them.

One last thing I want to talk about, how did you feel Jennifer and Dolores did handling kind of being stuck between Teresa and the rest of the group? because we saw in the last episode, Dolores was making this analogy about how you have to treat a dog. And Jennifer was saying something about how you, you know, give like candy to a baby. And, you know, it's clear to me that they really are sort of struggling

with how they're in the middle of this. But how do you think they kind of handled the situation? I kind of think they did, to be honest, the best that they can as, as they are Teresa Apollinger. right and I think that's also because Teresa has never come for them that's big part of what it is like she's never come for Dolores and she's never come for Jennifer and I think unless you've been a victim of that I can see why you're like the easier route is to play like Switzerland or to just excuse the behavior

because you've never really been on the other end of it so I think and again I think for anyone on the show it really takes sort of like her victimizing or her like you being her tariffing for you to see who she really is. But I think she purposely doesn't go after either of them so that she has these defenders in the group. Like neither of them have ever been really wronged by Teresa. No. And I think, I think, you know, maybe Teresa isn't always the most actively supportive

friend to them, but she's also never backstabbed them or betrayed them in a major way. And so I think especially, Dolores, I think, would be. fine kind of wherever she went within the group. But I think for Jennifer, especially her relationships with a lot of the other women are kind of still tentative enough that it's like falling back on siding with Teresa is sort of like the path of least resistance for her. Because I feel like if she gave a little bit too much support to Margaret or Jackie or Melissa in a situation like this, I could.

could envision Teresa kind of losing it on her. Whereas I think Dolores has a little bit more of like a free pass maybe or like, you know, they've just known each other forever. I feel like Teresa doesn't really have, there's not like a switch that would flip with Dolores. Whereas I think with Jennifer, it's like you got to, you got, she has to tend that garden or else it could back fire. Yeah, because if Dolores is the only one defending her, that could be pretty bad.

I mean, it reminds me almost they're getting. close to the territory of the like Beverly Hills Lisa Vanderpump situation where it's like you can't fly too close to the sun or else like you might because if the whole group is against you then you have an issue right and I think you want we always want there to be multiple layers of dynamics going on in on a show like this and so it's like you don't just want it to be everyone's mad at Teresa because she's being hard to deal with. It's like you also want to have that dynamic where Margaret is frustrated with Jennifer and

where Dolores is grappling with how she's going to handle it. And, you know, Jackie is trying to defend Margaret, but she's going through her own stuff. Like that is the kind of thing that makes a show like this really interesting versus just like, oh yeah, like I like it. And I think going into the reunion, I feel like there's a lot of little like pockets of stuff to explore. And I do feel like when Teresa's gone, like they do have really, like the conversation in the kitchen the morning after like the barbecue was like a real debate. It was like, but it was also, it was not like that.

It wasn't like people throwing stuff or yelling, but it was like Margaret being like, I'm really frustrated that no one defended me. I'm really frustrated that you told her she did a good job. And it was like it wasn't like a screaming conversation. It was just her really like articulately and calmly expressing. why she's so frustrated with the group. And she said something. She didn't like keep it in and just like, and let it out in some sort of other destructive way.

I thought that was a really interesting conversation that wouldn't have been able to happen if Teresa was there because Teresa, for all of her good parts, is extremely irrational and extremely hypocritical and just is not able to have like a nuanced discussion where she expresses herself calmly and articulately. Right. And the debate over kind of the merits of Teresa's apology

at dinner the night before, I thought that that sort of showed us a lot of kind of where each person in the group is. Like, Joe is really trying to just, like, not have another issue with his sister. So he's like, be glad you got any kind of apology. And, you know, Jennifer is kind of on the same page. She doesn't want to fight with Teresa. She's trying to sort of convince Margaret that she got what she needed or that maybe she should apologize to Teresa. And, like, I like seeing everyone in the group kind of doing their own mental calculation

of how they feel about the situation versus just kind of being like, well, she's the crazy one, so we're going to treat her like the crazy one. Like it really feels like there's real kind of thought and emotion going into it versus just like, she's the villain. Exactly.

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Copyright 2026, the Coca-Cola Company. Sprite is a registered trademark of the Coca-Cola Company. Let's talk about Summer House a little bit. I thought it was going to be the finale and then it was just like not the finale. So I don't know if I just lied to myself or if I heard that somewhere and made it up. I guess the finale is the next week is the finale, right? Next week is the finale. And that's going to include, I think, probably mostly take place at Kyle and Amanda's wedding,

which makes sense. Right. Weeks later, I assume. It's like a few weeks later. Yeah. I mean, not that many weeks because they don't have very much. As you can see. They're still figuring out a florist and a pre-up and all of that.

I literally was just thinking about this conversation with you every time the pre-up comes up because now they've made that kind of the biggest issue in this last phase of the season. And, you know, they're just, they yell about it like twice during this episode. Amanda's, you know, saying that she's not going to sign anything. If he can't explain to her why it needs to happen. And he's like, I'm not going to talk to you like of him at school. teacher. I just like, the more and more we see, I just am like desperate for any encouragement that they are going to be in a good place. And it just is not coming. And it really is making me sad.

Yeah. I mean, Kyle is annoying me a lot this season. Like just the way that he projects his own he like thinks his own problems are he blames everything on the stress of what's going on in his life. But let's be real. Right. You have this company. You're not, it's not going anywhere anytime soon. If anything, your life is only going to get more stressful. You're going to get married. You're going to have kids. I don't see it. It's like all downhill from here with like the stress levels. And to blame your relationship problems on your stress, to me is such a cop out and isn't particularly something that's going to improve. Like it's kind of like if I'm Amanda and he's saying, oh, I'm acting this way because I'm really stressed and everyone should just give me a break. It's like,

when do you foresee your life not being stressful? Life is stressful. It's about how you handle that stress that he doesn't really want to seem to be like looking inwardly into like the way that he solves those stressful issues. And I guess that's a separate thing than the pre-up because that's more about the dinner conversation. And they're talking about, you know, okay, so they have this like wedding to do list. Obviously that is an immediate stressor. But then like you said, the business isn't going anywhere. They've talked about how they want to buy a house at some point. That's going to be a whole thing. Theoretically, maybe they want to have kids sometime. That's, that's going to be a whole thing.

It's like even with the business as just kind of like a baseline, there are all these other like life plans they have. And it's like, how is Kyle going to handle any of this? And if every time the answer is just going to be he's going to have a meltdown and throw it in Amanda's face and they're going to be miserable for the next three days, it's like, that doesn't really sound like a great way to start a marriage. Enter into a life together. Yeah.

No, I totally agree. And in terms of the pre-up, that whole conversation they had was so weird because he was like, while we have a minute, let's talk about the pre-up. And then she gives her opinion. And then he's like, you're really going to fight with me about this now? And it's like, you just brought it up. What are you talking about? Like he brings up the pre-nup.

She gives her stance on the pre-up. And then he's like, we're not doing this now. It's like, you just brought it up. It was driving me nuts. Yeah. If that's, okay, so if that's like how he genuinely. approaches things, that's fucking annoying. But if that's like a thing he's doing for the show, it's weirdly clunky.

It's like you've brought this up like every week for the last six weeks. And it always feels like you're having kind of a new version of the same conversation. And so like if you don't have anything new to say like, why don't you just like not bring it up on this episode? Right. Bring it up in therapy. Like when you're talking about it in therapy. It's also kind of like, at last episode, it kind of seemed like they were on the same page, which was weird because then it got, it somehow blew up. But like on the episode with the, with the parents and the cake, it kind of seemed like her dad was like, okay, yeah, like just send us the document.

Like, we'll look it over. And then like, I'll make sure Amanda's protected and we'll take it from there. And it almost like, are you trying to start a fight with her by like bringing it up in this way? Because it seemed like you had kind of had it somewhat resolved before. Right. Like at a certain point, if you've agreed to get the lawyers involved, you don't need to have another drunk argument about it until after the lawyers have decided what is the right course of action. Also, like, what were even the varying points of the argument? He was like, she was like, yeah, I'm going to like make sure I get half. And he was like, well, no, you're not. Like, are they now fighting about the points of the pre-up? I don't really even understand what the fight was about. Yeah. I don't understand how she would end up with a majority. stake of lover. Like that seems like if anything, I mean, the most you would have is 50%. But also he has, Kyle less than that.

He said that the main reason that he thinks she should have a pre-up is because his investors want him to. And so it's like, who's having a majority? Right. What's happening here? That didn't, yeah, that didn't. And he was like, well, there's obviously no way you'd have a majority. And it's like, then they're fighting about the, like, neither of you probably have a majority.

But basically she's kind of like, I quit my job. I work on this full time. Like if we get divorced, I want half of whatever steak that you own, probably, I assume. Yeah. I don't know. I just, I guess I'm excited to see their wedding. It'll be nice. But it's like, we need a, we need to pick me up in this relationship.

And I don't know where it's coming from at this point. Also, it's kind of like, if you're having a freak out and then there's like, when he has these mental breakdowns, because of his stress, she just kind of like, is like, you're embarrassing me go away. And then his, Carl and Danielle are the ones who were like calming him down. I'm like, are you going to have, are Carl and Danielle going to be in like your house with your kids when Kyle? Like, like, how do you expect to to deal with this when it comes up in the future? And that's sort of the thing that I think is missing from the resolutions of their fighting or that worries me about their marriage is it always becomes about the issue at hand and not

about the way that they deal with the emotions that cause the thing in the first place. Yeah, they seem to be really reliant on kind of the other people in the house to sort of be their sounding boards and like help them cool off. You know, we see Amanda just like gets in bed with Paige and it's like that's like her like only refuge from Kyle is like going and getting in her friend's bed for like three hours and watching a movie. And it's like, that's not actually the way that you are going to have to solve a fight when it's just like the two of you at home alone.

Right. That's what concerns me. But I guess we'll see. What did you think about Lindsay and Carl attending prom together and them sending each other these little notes? I'm like, are you all going to fuck or like what's happening? Is that happening in the finale? I would assume, I mean, so, something like that.

Yeah. Yeah, in the preview, she, like, says that she has feelings for him and he says that he does too. So, yeah, we're getting there. To me, it kind of did make, it does make sense the progression, um, why it would work this time as opposed to last time. I mean, and to me, it's mostly about Carl's personal transformation to where he's like, he's sober and he's thinking about who, you know, who is there for, and he says that in his note, like, I couldn't have gotten through the past seven and a half months without you. And to me, it seemed that the timing seems right for that. It's like he's choosing, they've gotten to this deeper level by being friends. And he's a whole new person.

And she like knows who that person is and fully accepts him as that person. Yeah. I like to see him. Also, Lindsay looks amazing in her prom dress from 2003. That's inspired by Hallie Berry. I'm like, go off. Good for you. It does look good.

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Okay, so Andrea and Paige agreed to go to prom together just as friends. And already I was kind of like, where are you doing this? Nobody needs a prom date. This is all fake. Right. If you've like, it's a party.

Right. It's just a party. Most of the people at the party are not even dressed for prom. And then Craig is like stuck at the Canadian border, but then he's not. And then he shows up to surprise page. And I just, I kind of feel bad for Andrea because I'm like, I feel like I know Paige has made it clear that they're not going to be a thing.

And so it's not like she's like leading him on. But it's like, I just, I like Andrea. And I feel like he's a little bit in a tender position. And when Craig showed up at the house, I was like, oh, that has to be a little bit rough. Yeah. It feels like she's just used him basically, like she kind of was using the season to like make Craig jealous. And then she got Craig. And she was like, I don't even.

Now that Craig's here, I'm going to put on a dress. Like when I was going to see you, I didn't give a shit about how I looked. But now that Craig's here, like, let me put on some makeup. I thought it was interesting. I saw on social media that apparently at Craig and Austin's live show that they're doing, somebody asked about this season of Summer House. And Craig basically trashed the edit and said that. I heard that, yeah.

And said that it wasn't really accurate the way that he was like treating Paige this summer. And that if it had really gone down the way that it looks like it went down on the show, that he doesn't think Paige would be in a relationship with him right now. And I thought that was, it's interesting to hear him sort of so strongly condemn. It's one thing to say like, oh, the edit wasn't quite accurate. But for him to be like basically like the editors suck, I'm like, I feel like that's like not, you're like shitting where you eat a little bit. Also, I think that's kind of his excuse for like, Paige probably watches a lot of the season back

is like a little embarrassed. I would imagine because she's like, I don't like, I kind of letting Craig do whatever the hell he wants. And then when he decides to be with me, then I'm into him. And to me, that's a little bit, that's not like a super empowering look. So she's probably watching this. They're probably watching this back together. And she's probably like, ugh, I'm embarrassed. Like I wind up dating you and you're kind of like not always amazing this whole time.

And so for him, he's probably like, that's not really how it happened. Like, this is the edit. Like, I wasn't really like that. Like, to me, it's more just like him dealing with pages embarrassment. as the show airs. That's a good point. Yeah, Paige is like, I wish it didn't happen this way. And Craig's like, baby, it didn't.

Right. I'm sure. Like, he said all the things he said. He said, I'm not ready to be exclusive with you. He said all that stuff. Like, what, like, what specifically about the edit did they get wrong? Is kind of what I would want to know. That's always, whenever people bring up the edit and something they do looking,

unflattering on camera, it's always like, it's not that there's no truth to it. ever because obviously the editors have a job to do and you know they're cutting things out they're you know stitching things together it's not always going to be right tell a story but it is like whenever somebody is so harsh on the edit and it feels like they have sort of something to gain from that it is kind of like I mean I'm never going to have the evidence otherwise like I'm never going to see what footage they didn't show us. So like, I don't know. It's kind of, it's kind of like a boring.

I agree. How long has Craig been on reality TV? Like eight years. Yeah, like you know how it works. Like, come on. Yeah. He also said that they, that the editors are like weirdly like deferential to Lindsay. Like they want us to like Lindsay and that her, her thing with Carl, like we shouldn't

believe it. what's funny to me is that I don't feel like on this show they've ever really tried to make us think that Lindsay is perfect. Yeah, she looks like bad a lot, actually. On the contrary, I think Lindsay is great television and I think she is, I do like her as a person, but she has had a lot of cringe moments over the last. Bad edits, you could say. So I think like that's the kind of thing where it's like, okay, so you're, You're saying the editors made you look horrible, but then you're saying the editors

bend over backwards to make Lindsay look good. And I'm like, honestly, if the editors are, if this is the editors bending over backwards to make Lindsay look good, they're not doing an amazing job because plenty of people watch this show and don't like Lindsay. Yeah. I mean, she had a, she had a very interesting season, seasonal arc. And I don't think she looked amazing with the, with the Austin stuff. I don't think she like, looked amazing when she was screaming at the guy she had known a week for not staying at the bonfire. Like, I do think, again, blaming the edit is sort of like very low hanging fruit for excusing your behavior.

Exactly. Yeah. I don't put too much stock in it. But I'm curious to see kind of how the season comes to a close. And hopefully the wedding will be peaceful. I'm excited for the reunion, too. Yeah. I'm more excited for the reunion.

then the wedding, I think. But, you know, whatever. We've got to take what we can get. Jordana, thank you so much for coming on and chatting with me. Of course. I'm excited to be back next week once we get into more finale reunion season, so much to unpack. Totally. It's an exciting time on the calendar. And to make sure you don't miss an episode, don't forget to rate, review, and follow the show wherever you listen. You can follow us on Instagram at Bravo by Betches. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Mention It All is produced by Sean Kilby and Jorge Morales Pico. Editing by Sean Kilby.

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