Mention It All - Maddi Reese & Joe Bradley On The Lies About Their Relationship & Southern Hospitality S4

Episode Date: March 24, 2026

On this Tuesday episode, Dylan is joined by Southern Hospitality stars Maddi Reese and Joe Bradley for a candid conversation about why season 4 feels like the show’s biggest yet. They open up about the fallout from last season’s reunion, the rumors that impacted Maddi’s real life, and Joe’s complicated career conversation with Leva. Plus, Maddi gets real about 12 years of sobriety, Emma filming without Will, and setting boundaries with Grace Lilly as she continues to spiral. Go to the BravoByBetches YouTube page to watch full length episodes every Tuesday & Friday: Youtube.com/@BravoByBetches Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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See Store Online for details. Hey everyone, welcome back to the Mentioned-All podcast. I have been Loving Southern Hospitality Season 4, and I know you have two. So I'm so excited to have two of our OGs in the studio today. Maddie Reese and Joe Bradley. How's it going? Thanks for having us. This is amazing.

We don't get to hop on that many podcasts done in Charleston. Well, hop on. We're here. We're here. We're in New York. We got the call. We're here. We're pumped to be here.

Season 4. What does it feel? I mean, I feel like with Bravo, it's funny because people have been watching some of these shows for like 10, 15, almost 20 years. And so it can take a few seasons to feel like you're not like the new show in the house. The little brother. What does it feel like season four? It feels like you guys are really like, you're like here, here. I know. We like made it through, which is crazy. I was saying earlier we're like the little choo-train that could kind of. A little engine that could. Yeah. Like people in our first season were like, we didn't want this. We don't, blah, blah, blah.

Now I feel like people have actually fell in love with our show and we're so grateful. And I was telling someone earlier, it's kind of like Vanderpump, like all the mean comments about the reboot and stuff like that. It's like, I was telling someone, I was like, we understand it. Because when we came along, people were like giving us the same reaction, but then they get to know you, they fall in love with you, and we're so grateful to be on season four. Being on a spinoff is really hard because people don't like change all the time. There's always going to be some haters. So to be a spinoff, a lot of other bravo Lebris that told me too. There's something about season four when they're like, you're hitting

that season four threshold. this is like the hardest thing to do is to get past that hurdle of the season four. Yeah. I wonder for you guys, like, was there a moment in sort of the like airing of the show or like the online conversation where you could feel that it was like, oh, it feels like there's more of like,

there's less of those people being like, who asked for this or what is this show and more kind of like, oh yeah, like you should be watching this. It's a real, it's real. Yeah. That's definitely the comments and the reactions we're getting now. Yeah. Like I said, we did not get that at first.

And it's, we're very, very grateful. We had a few, like, OG supporters, like, from day one. And I'll always, like, you know, hold those people close in my heart that were just, like, from day one from the get-go, like, you know, huge supporters. But I feel like for our show, you watch these shows like Love Island or Traders. And, like, overnight, you know, you see people blow up from theirs. Like, in our world, after season four, like, we literally were like a little engine in could. It was a very slow burn. Yeah.

And so to say it was, like, a one moment. you can't really compare it that way, but so it was a very gradual thing. Yeah. We also grew up on the show too. Like I started the show at 22 and I'm 28 now and you kind of watch me grow up and it's like crazy now. I'm going to soon be in a new era of like my 30s. You know what I'm saying? So I just feel like it's cool that people actually got to like see you, you know, grow up in a way,

even if you're not really growing up. It's like varying levels of like growth, but everybody's getting older. Yeah, literally. We're getting older, but are we growing up? And look, I think if everybody was maturing at the same speed, the show would not be quite as exciting as it is. No, yes. It's just like our lives.

Like, we're, I think we're on this show because our lives just been one giant squiggly line. And like we're clearly not one of those people that are going to have that linear path in life. So that's boring. Do you feel like, so now, you know, like you've filmed four seasons. You've done the whole process four times. Like, do you feel like it's gotten easy?

year or more natural over the years? Or does the kind of layers of history and baggage that everyone has with each other, does that make it more complicated to go back for the next one and the next one? I think it makes it more complicated. I feel like you go into reality TV and you're a little bit more naive and excited and you have this history with everyone and you're all friends. And then I think it gets harder as you go on and more complicated because things happen. And it's not only between a friend group, obviously the whole, you know, world or viewership audience is watching it too. And I feel like that's what makes it harder sometimes too. I don't know. I just remember I go in a little bit more anxious now than I did when we started.

That being said, I do really think the best shows are groups of friends that can bounce back. And it doesn't have to be a day after. But if eventually you have that resentment, it's just a friend group's not going to feel organic. If there's too much resentment, Zemmen. So I think that's something we're trying to work on, especially watching the episodes back. That's also like you move forward and then it digs it back up. And it like so that's part of it. And you have to learn how to help with that. It kind of sucks sometimes because that brings back the old feelings that you kind of moved on within time. Yeah. And then it brings it back. And you're like, well, and I think especially, I mean, you guys had a great third season and then that season three

reunion was so explosive. And it was, you know, people were, you know, watching it with, you know, their eyes locked on the screen, but like there was a lot of kind of fallout after that that is being dealt with in season four. And so there isn't necessarily that like it's a really compelling through line for viewers. But for you guys, there's no kind of like reset button of like, okay, now we can like, you know, now we're all good. Exactly. So what was it like kind of like having that reunion and then having to go away for a little bit and be like, where, where do we go for me? How do I? Yeah, what do I do?

Yeah. I feel like I didn't really know where my place in this. group stood. I mean, obviously, it wasn't just like one person did that to me and made up all those lies about my relationship and put it out in the world that I'm this liar and all these horrible things. And I feel like that was hard because it was like a group of people that knew about that and had, we're involved with it. Like, you know, Emmy, Will, Mia, T.J., Brad. And it was hard because I was like, all these people are on the show and how am I going to like fit in with this dynamic and this group and stuff like that.

So I had to take some time away and, you know, I went on tour. I took some time away and I feel like, you know, I wanted to address those issues as soon as we started filming because it just brings me in a hard place, but I also just feel like I wanted to know if I still could be in this group. I think, you know, first, first reaction in my head is, oh, I never want to be friends with any of these people ever again. But at the same time, like, I work with these people. They are mutual friends. There's history.

And I do believe time heals all wounds. And I'm very adamant about that. And I think time is been on my side with that. I think it's tough for Maddie, too, because Maddie's a very much ride or die. Like, she's not as, she's not as for, well, she's not her. forgiving, but like if you're in Maddie's squad, there's got to be like the utmost trust there. Sure. For the first time and a long time, Maddie is letting people back in that she doesn't necessarily

trust, but having that fine line, we can be friends. But like it's going to take a long time to earn that trust back. Well, I think it's tough too because when you have, it's like there when you're on a show, but you're also friends and you're also working together in different ways. Like there's a lot of different angles at play where it's like if I, if I feel like somebody has wronged me, is it because they thought? it was good for the show or because they thought it was good for the career or because they liked somebody else. It's like they're, I can feel like it would almost be like challenging to even

figure out like intentions behind things and stuff like that. Yeah. I think that was really hard on me because even if it was for the show, it really, really, really affected my real life. Yeah. Yeah. So that was just like I had to figure out my reality. because it was a reality-altering situation, but also just where my place was in the group, like who is my friend here, who's not my friend here kind of thing? And I think time does heal all wounds.

So the more time goes on, the more that I am wanting to move on and leave it in the past, because I feel like when you're just dwelling on that shit, it just makes you sick. Like, you know what I mean? Dwelling on the past, I hate doing it. Like I'm, you know, in recovery, they're big on like, be where your feet are and be in the present.

And I think that that's really important to me. And I don't know. It was also hard because it's not like I can go get like, I get jealous of those people. I can go get, like, drunk over this stuff. Like, I have to sit in my feelings and feel it 20 times more. And it's, like, heightened. Yeah. You know, I was like at times wishing I could just like drink and forget about it and move on.

It's a bandaid. It doesn't heal it. Yeah. It's not the solution. That's the truth. You know what I mean? With the disease I have, sometimes, like, your mind will go there. But obviously, I'm very grateful that I never did that.

How long are you, how long sober are you now? In April 16th of 12 years sober. That's incredible. I know, which is crazy. That's awesome. You know what makes it crazy too? That's the day of our reunion when we're filming it. She's going to bring her 12-year chip to the reunion.

You're like, we're really going to be locking in that day. Honestly, it's probably good timing because I will definitely need a meeting that day. And like, I go get my chip. Meeting before or after the reunion. We'll see. Definitely not before. The call time. Yes.

We know about the call times. Yes. It's like 6 a.m. And we wake up then. And we wake up then. New. Yes. Yes.

I'm like, why don't people work at night? I think, I think that's so, it's so interesting though, because on, on lots of different shows, we have people at varying points in recovery and sobriety journeys. And I think like hearing people talk about the way that it affects kind of like, how you handle every situation in your life. Like I think it is, it adds such an interesting facet to like all of these real life struggles that you guys are going through that it's like that's something you have to figure out how to, where does this fit in?

We're like, you know, thinking about that, it's different. Yeah. I think a lot of people too are like, even in the comments sometimes a lot of people will be like, oh, there's no way she's sober. I can't believe she acts like that and she's sober. I can't believe. And it's just like, I feel like, if anything, because I'm sober, where my emotions are heightened

and I'm feeling everything. Versus I can't mask it with alcohol. Like trust me, I think that if I was like having some drinks, I could be able to numb it. But the fact that I am sober, I feel like your patience isn't as strong. It's the same thing that's like working in the club. He's always like, he's like, you know,

he's done a few shifts not drinking recently. And he's been like, oh my God, Maddie. Like, you have so much patience. I went a few months sober. I'm so grateful for you. I went a few months sober, like when I say sober like one or two drinks is it completely different for me than going cold turkey so cold turkey it's no joke I looked at Maddie and I was I was driving home the

other day and I just got like all emotional I'm like I'm so proud of you like you've been done this for 12 years I'm like but it's just different you're so patient like me being drunk dealing with drunk people is a lot easier and I was like I've had a lot of practice don't worry yeah yeah yeah but I think that people think that like, you know, because you're sober, you shouldn't act like this or you shouldn't be like this. But if anything, things are just really heightened for you because you can't numb it. Yeah. There's nothing, you know, you can numb it with. But that's why she, I think she fell in love with her career as a DJ. I think music is really her elixir. And that's how she, that's how she releases her emotions and she can kind of reach that Zen place that kind of gives her

that feeling, you know? Yeah. I love, I mean, you went on like a major tour, like before, like after season three, it's like the Maddie Reese DJ experience. I know. It's real. I feel like for two years, I was doing two to three shows a weekend, and I just wanted to prove myself in the industry. I feel like I said yes to everything, and I played everywhere, and I went everywhere, and I traveled the nation, and it was so, so fun. But it also catches up to you where I was, like, getting burnt out and I wanted to take a break. It's not like a DJ gigs are constantly coming in. It's not like you're Taylor Swift and you're going on 180 tour, and then you're done.

for three years and then you do it again. It's like the DJ gigs are like never stop. Also not to compare myself to Taylor Swift, I just want to say that. No, no, but but you know what I'm saying like, oh hey, do you want to be in Orlando next Saturday versus like I've planned out this tour and that's the tour and then it's over. And then it's over. Exactly.

And in her first year she really had to prove herself for like, you know, not as much money, but like that takes time. So she would do like Ohio to Florida to New York, three different airports. Right. You can't like curate your tour. You don't have the luxury of that until you get that level. Yeah. Yeah, but I feel like, you know, it was a long journey, but like even coming in this season,

I was like, I'm burnt out. My mental health is suffering. I, you know, found out I have anxiety and I was having panic attacks, which was really weird for me because I've always been very, like, confident and kind of like an adrenaline junkie in a way and like no fear. And I feel like that was a hard pill to swallow that, like, I have anxiety and even just like having panic attacks. stuff but yeah I'm excited to kind of get back to that place where I'm going on like

bigger tours and all of those things but right now I'm kind of just doing like one a weekend kind of situation it's the puppy tour right now we got it we got yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah well I feel like also last season when you guys were in Vegas it was like everybody else was like oh yeah fun like oh we get to Maddie's gonna DJ later like that'll be fun and it's like no you're like this is I have to like be ready for that like I have to perform yeah I have to work It's a different, you know, thing that's being asked of you. That's how it's like when he comes with me on tour, I'm always like, he's like, why do you have anxiety?

You're weird. Like, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, well, you get to sit there and have fun and like enjoy it. Like for me, I'm like, okay, this is a job. Like, I want to be able to be hired back. Yeah. I want to impress everyone. I want to be on time.

I question it because as soon as she plays their first song, she's on top of the world. Oh, I'm like. It's the anticipation. It's the anticipation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You care about it. Yes, I care about it. And it's, you know, I'm like working at the end of the day, like you said about Vegas. And it's like, yeah, everyone else is just like having the best time ever get in the free tables and traveling and all the benefits. All of that stuff. And it's, that's the best part is being able to like share that with your friends and being able to have them. Like how cool is that I have a job that I get to like bring my friends. Yeah.

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And you've had enough of shopping from your couch. Done hoping it looks anything like the picture when you tear open that envelope. It's time for a little in-person spring treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. Joe, your conversation with Leva earlier this season about sort of your career aspirations obviously didn't quite go. No. Amazing. Swinging a mess. What was like obviously you were like with Maddie on tour and some of the like time that you weren't filming and all that like what was your like how did you kind of regroup after that and think about like okay where where are all these priorities fitting in like how do I build yeah build that thing that I want to build yeah so obviously rewatching that definitely would have changed my wordage I might kind of impress myself because I had a lot of confidence going there but it was like the wrong confidence but yeah I mean it's Listen, it's a really complicated, long, like, it's been six years, and I've really worked my ass off, and I've gone above and beyond. And I think when I, I think my problem is I stopped seeing growth for myself.

Like, I felt like I was plateauing and I was just, like, losing my fire. And this season's kind of about me finding my fire, turning 30 and, like, trying to break into the next chapter. But it's really hard for me to break in the next chapter of my life when I'm, I'm like not making, really making any money. Like, you know, it's, for me, it's all about growth. I see my girlfriend, her DJ career steadily growing. And yeah, you take a few steps back. But like, I see all these people around me growing in their careers.

And I'm like, what's the next step for me? I know I don't want to be a manager. I know that, like, I want to be a partner rather than just an employee. And we've had many conversations in the past about that happening. So it wasn't like I just came out of left field and was like, give me a bar. That was not my intention. Yeah, it kind of came off like that.

But in reality, I think there was a lot of conversations between Leva and Lamar and Joe that maybe kind of led him on to believe that, like, we were going to go into business together and all these things. And I feel like, yeah, watching that episode, it came off really strong from you and stuff. And even the Brad Pitt comment was like crazy, but funny. Yeah. That's my humor. Yeah. No, but I was laughing. I loved it.

But I also was like, in a way, like, he does deserve his flowers. Like, he brings in more sales than anyone and it's just so good at talking to people and sales. And it's a quality like a lot of people don't have. And even when Leva was like, oh, I already replaced you. Like, you're so easily replaced. Like, it's... With who? Yeah, with who.

There still hasn't been... Yeah, like, there's not just, like, filling a slot on the schedule. It's more about, like, the type of person. And it's not something that you can, like, it's not something that you can, like, teach someone it's like you're kind of born with that type of like extroverted like extroverted well it takes it takes practice and hard work too obviously but I mean I know in my heart Leva was just giving me tough love because we are family and we do have such like a complicated along amazing you know business professional and friendly relationship together you know but

for me I think her tough love was kind of harsh when she called me the R word replaceable horrible word that's super vulgar word and is she gonna call me anything else than that I think yeah like that's something that's like anybody hearing that about like somebody say that about that

especially when you've worked so hard I think she was hoping also that like Justin would replace Joe and that just didn't work out so now she's even now being like I think she's trying to she was trying to let a fire under my ass yes she was like you've been replaced and she wanted me to come back with vengeance

and start like blowing it out of the water like I used to Well, I think it's, yeah, like the sort of like the way that the show is kind of set up, it's interesting because it's like, obviously Leva is not involved in all of the stuff that's going on within the group. But it still is like happening in her, you know, under her kind of umbrella. It kind of has to be her business because it affects her business. Yes. Do you feel like that's changed over like since season one to now like how much Leva kind of like tries to even pay attention? Like how she kind of relates to the stuff that's happening that doesn't directly involve, like her business.

Like, do you feel like that has shifted at all? Part of me thinks, remember season one where like a few years ago when we were all like twerking on the boat and we got in trouble for that? I feel like she just gave up on that part. She's like these people, like I love that they work for me, but these people are going to be themselves. So I think she just kind of like threw in the like, you know, the white flag with that. But as long as we show up and we work and we represent ourselves as well. I think she's just a little bit more accepting with our actions.

But as long as we're like, we're showing up and like working hard. Yeah. Yeah. At first it was like, you're right. It was totally strict. Like, you can't be posting on your Instagram. Yeah.

I'm like, I decided to work for you so I didn't have to work under a corporate thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And we've definitely like been posting twerking video since and I feel like she's just. Look at Brad's post today.

It's like pretty. It's like art rated. Yeah. Behind the scenes, we're all like, like, working on each other. No, yeah. And so I feel like she just was like, I'm giving up hope on that.

Yeah, there's less of that like, less of that like supervision. Yeah, and back in the day we'd be like level like sex cells. What do you mean? Look at Vinderpumbril, they all have only fans. If you're in season four, you're doing something, right? Yeah. I am curious. I want to talk a little bit about a little bit about Emmy this season.

Obviously Will is not on the show this season. Did you feel like that made it easier to navigate certain situations with Emmy or is kind of the same thing. I mean, I feel like it makes it harder. I think there's a lot of questions surrounding Will. Right. And it's hard because Emmy's answering those questions. And she's obviously not Will.

And I feel like that makes it hard on her. Like she's left there to kind of defend herself on those things. And I feel like that's the part that's hard. And I try to be a friend with her as much as I can because I don't like a gang up. I've never liked that. Like I've always been the type of person with some. I've been on the other end of that one, but I've also always been the type of person if it's like you're sitting alone at lunch, like I'm going to go sit with you kind of thing. And I just like didn't, I don't, I don't appreciate that. And like let's say like Joe left me like that to dry. Like one, I would kill him and never speak to him ever again. For the first part, yeah. Yes. But two, like I feel like I wouldn't know how to navigate that knowing that people feel a certain type of way about me and my significant other. And he's not there. to speak for himself and I have to speak on his behalf and what if I mess it up or you know what I mean

I just feel like I kind of felt bad for her in that way that she's kind of left to be like kind of left for the dust by herself yeah I'm really rooting I'm rooting for her in the way that like there has been so many incredible people on this network and reality TV that can hold their own and come into their own identity without their significant other like Cameron newbanks Southern Charm. Her husband decided not to film because he's a doctor, and that's totally respectable. But she was still such a main character energy and could navigate those waters without having to lean on their significant other. I mean, off camera, yeah, of course, like, that you have to be like their rock off camera, but not everyone can decide to like live this

life on reality TV. So I'm hoping she can kind of come under her own and make a comeback that way. I will say on this week's episode, I was a little surprised and I guess impressed that after, you know, Bradley and T.J. and Molly had all kind of, like, let her know about their issues. She, you know, had a moment. She needed to go outside. And then she came back in. I feel like in the past, maybe she would have just left. I know. I know. I was like, I totally disagree with her verbiage and, like, the things that she was saying. I, I, yeah, totally. But there was a moment where we walked outside and I was like, you did good. Because she cannot handle confrontation. She's not great at it. I felt like in that moment she didn't leave, like exactly what you said.

She didn't leave. She didn't like hyperventilate, crash out crazy. She just went outside, took a second, collected herself, and then she didn't leave. So I feel like at the end of the day, I was like, you know, hopefully her skin is growing thicker where like, you know, being on reality TV, it's like you have to be confrontational. You have to sit at a dinner table and have these confrontations even though I know those aren't Emmy's favorites. Yeah.

But I thought that, you know. you know, the fact that she didn't leave was a good sign in the direction that, you know, her skin is growing thicker in that way. But yeah, that was definitely a hard thing to even be there for and all of that. I just like, I just see Emmy at it and I see a dinner table and it's oil and water. It really is. Well, it's tough because if you, if you avoid those conversations or you, you know, skip up an event where people are going to be that you have issues with, like, obviously you avoid it in that moment, but then it just, it's an, opportunity for it to keep building and growing into something that's going to be harder for you to deal with later.

And so I think given that she has, you know, still issues lingering with people from last season or last reunion, it's like it is kind of the time when everybody's coming back together that it's like, okay, let's at least like talk about this. And if we can move forward, that's great. If not, then we know what it is. But like it's, yeah, it's challenging to like do that if you're not showing up. Yeah. There's times to double down. and there's times to put your tail within your legs and say sorry to them. Good sleep is everything. That's why Ali's science back support is made with a blend of melatonin and L-thianine

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Own the dream. You've been, so far in the season, you've been in trouble for assaulting someone's cardboard cutout. and for not giving grace lily enough dress code information yes do you feel like people are like looking for issues with you because i feel like some of the stuff i'm like the the cardboard cut out so really i know it was a principal let's not act like me but for me it wasn't about the cardboard cut out it wasn't about that it was out me would do the same thing let's be real like are you kidding me so i think

it was just like oh how how dare you how like i'm like i also have things to own in that i obviously like knocked it down and like even in the gray situation like I I think one thing and then she thinks another and sometimes we're just not on the same wavelength but I don't know I'm still trying to navigate that but I could always be a better communicator I guess um we both could be how she showed up in the hippie pants though I'm like she knew you weren't going to be wearing that yeah it wasn't like I don't own I don't own those I don't own anything like You weren't wearing this either. You were wearing a pretty casual, like, beach outfits, too.

I didn't think it was, like, that's, like, dolled up. You know what I mean? I know. And the shorts. I was wearing shorts with, like, a little foldover skirt, and it was, like, a beach cover-up. Yeah. How dare you not wear the same tapestry pants as I am? Yeah, and then she was wearing a corset, and I was wearing a corset.

She was wearing a black one, and I was wearing a yellow one. And I went, like, even the pajama thing, I was like, girl, you're wearing cherry on a white dress. That is a, a night gown. She wore slippers. I just yeah but I don't know I honestly am very serious about fashion also so for me it's like I understand it like even later in the season like um you know they show our birthdays this year and I it was a surprise and I did not show up dress to fit and I was like so pissed about it so I'm like maybe I kind of understand why she was feeling like that I mean because I take fashion very seriously too

but at the same time like I may I just wanted her to be there. And I got her the invite. I felt like after Molly then reached out to Grace and invited her. And then I feel like Molly also owned that, oops, I didn't tell her. Whoops. So it's like, I don't know why Grace didn't hold Molly accountable for not telling her, but I get held accountable for not telling her. And I think she just expects more from me. And, you know, I can understand that in a way. But at the same time, I'm like, yeah, girl, you were wearing slippers and a white dress with cherries on it. Like, that is a nightgown.

It's okay. Everybody looked okay. Yes. I wasn't even wearing which I was either. I had a DJ shift. That's just so unserious. Yeah. I know.

But that's like the petty drama shit that I kind of live for versus like the dark shit of like, oh, your boyfriend cheated on you. Whoops, I lied about the whole thing. I don't know. That stuff to me is like, I'd rather deal with this petty shit all day. I think that's something where like in the like reality TV like landscape, I think it's like people live for those like mass. like,

scandal moments and things like that. But at the end of the day, I think a lot of the shows that people enjoy watching the most are the ones where the cast can be funny with each other and have those, like, kind of ridiculous, shady arguments where then it's like,

why are we yelling about this, that, and the other, like, it's... Like, a lot of the Housewife shows are like that. Like, so like cities, like they're fighting about high body count hair or like a scroll or something. Or like the watches to go, like, oh that way. Yeah, the Cardi A watches, yeah. Yeah. Like, I love that show.

That's probably one of the best shows on Bravo. So it's like people also live for that stuff too because it's so petty and entertaining to watch versus, you know, the dark stuff sometimes will get too dark or like sensitive. I think it's summer house is a really good job of keeping it lighthearted, but they're also very passionate people too. So, yeah.

I want our group to, I'm excited about the reunion because I think that like there's just so much of the past that's been weighing on us. I'm hoping that the reunion can just be like a new chapter forward. That makes sense. You know what I mean? More petty drama. Yeah.

More petty drama. Let's get rid of, I'm always here for it. I'm not mad. I want to get rid of all the baggage so we can focus on like new stuff. Like 75% of the baggage. Yeah, yeah, maybe. Kind of zero. You got to be realistic.

When you think about this season, obviously we're still just like a few episodes in, how are you feeling about watching the rest of it unfold? Are there moments that you're kind of like dreading to see again? Did you have a lot of fun and you're excited to see it back? Where are you at with that? Yeah, I'm dreading to see me and Maddie. We definitely get in some disagreements. And we don't really hold back in front of the cameras

because every couple fights, every couple disagrees on things. So it's just one of those things that, like, I can go head to head with anyone on the cast and probably like sleep well that night. But it's the person I love, like my partner. I'm not that pumped to watch it. But what I am proud of is our growth that came from those disagreements. and how we pivoted and moved forward from that and where we are now.

So it's just something that like, you know, I'm not like, let me watch that back because let me relive that. But at the end of the day, like, everything that's come after that has been amazing. So it's just one of those. Yeah. Yeah. Do you agree with me? I 100% agree.

Yeah. I'm not eager for that probably. I'm really excited to see our birthdays, more your birthday. But yeah. He turns 30. We're five days apart. Yeah. So we have like this.

We're both Leo's and like. We have this epic birthday week and it's going to be fun. Wait, I'm excited to see it. Yeah. His birthday was so much fun. It was his 30th so he deserves it. Right, right, right.

In a couple years, you'll have the fun birthday. Yeah. And I just wanted to do something chill. I have one year out of 10 years out trying her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

I am curious like, so obviously Grace has been like going through some some stuff lately. How are you kind of like, approaching just like being her friend and you know you guys go back a long way like what what has that been like for you yeah i definitely feel like you know grace and i also you know we get into it a lot but i feel like for me i've had to kind of set boundaries a little bit because you know i talk to her all the time we always are in contact even through all the years when we have been fighting we've always been in contact and we've always been you know checking in and stuff like that but at the same time I have boundaries because I don't want to enable a lot of the decisions that she's making.

And I don't know. It just sucks because I feel like, you know, she doesn't work with us at Republic anymore. I don't see her as much. And then I feel like sometimes the people she surrounds herself with outside the show aren't the best influences or best people where I feel like I have my walls up in boundaries with that. I mean, I also feel like, though, I always, there's. for her because I feel like I can relate to her and I have a lot of empathy for what she's going through and I'm really proud of her because this season she really does open up about that stuff and is finally honest with things that she's been struggling with for years so I'm really excited for you guys to see that because it's one not only so important to love and rally around people that are you know hurting in a way or suffering but also you know to

share what you're going through, how important that is to help other people. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's the same thing of like, you know, there's things that I necessarily am like not eager to watch on TV, but then at the end of the day, I'm always proud of myself and I can sleep at the end of the night knowing that I was being authentic and honest and that I'm helping someone else who maybe went through a similar thing. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like even like my sobriety, for example, like the amount of people that have reached out to me about that or I've received help or I've helped them has been such a blessing. And that would never be the case if I wasn't open and honest about that. So I think Grace really has a season where she, you know, eventually, you know, is super honest. And I'm really, really proud of her journey and where she's at.

And I hope she continues on that journey, even though right now it's. Yeah, it's a day-by-day thing for us. It's, um, I think she just got arrested like a couple of days ago. Yeah. I feel like. It's really upsetting. I think a lot of Grace's, reactions to Maddie is almost like a cry for help because like Maddie is you know it's 12 years of sobriety and she knows that she can relate to Maddie and I feel like she gets angry with Maddie because it's kind of like you know I don't I don't know who else the point fingers up but she's not going to point him at herself right so I but it's the you know the sad part is it is a large part of this journey of which I've learned through Maddie recently you almost have to do it on your own like no one's going to come save you

You can try to, but it's one of those things where we want to be there for, but we also don't want to enable it the behavior. Yeah. Yeah. It's complicated. Yeah. I mean, I think part of what has made your show so compelling now for four seasons is, like, there's real shit going on.

Everybody is on their own kind of like different, you know, thing that they're working on or a relationship that they're, you know, working through or leaving or getting into. And so I think, you know, everybody's, everybody's along for the ride. Yeah. And I love Grace. so much and you know she is not only hilarious and entertaining and just all the things but she is such like a bright light like it's hard not to laugh when you're around her and yeah she's effortlessly funny yeah and all this stuff but I just feel like sometimes hurt people hurt people and you know we we talk

almost every day but at the same time like I said I you know have a little boundary sometimes you know well I'm so excited to see the rest of the season yeah And, you know, it's, there's a lot going on. I can't wait to see those birthdays. Yeah. Oh, my God. No, it's going to be a good season. It's crazy that we're not even like halfway.

And we haven't seen them yet, so. Right. We're right through with you. We see them and like, you guys see them pretty much. Yeah. Exactly. Well, it's been a great journey. And I'm so excited that I feel like so many people have really like caught up to the Southern

hospitality train and are like fully on board now because it's been a great ride. That's so exciting. Yes. Thank you. Thanks for guys for being here. Yeah, we love it. We'll come back anytime. Perfect. Thanks everyone for watching. Don't forget to rate, review, subscribe. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool.

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