Mention It All - Maybe Screwing The Crew Isn’t So Bad Ft. Daisy Kelliher & Danny Murphy (RHOSLC, Below Deck Sailing Yacht)

Episode Date: February 22, 2022

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Hey everyone, welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I am Dylan Hafer And today I am so happy to be joined by a good friend, a fellow Betch's podcast host You know him from the Not Another True Crime podcast.

Please welcome Danny Murphy. Hello. Hey, Dylan. Oh my God, I am so happy to be here. because I just love watching anything real and Bravo keeps it the reala, so I'm so excited to chat with you. 100% authentic.

Oh. You know, don't blame it on the edit. Oh, I blame nothing. I get so mad when people were like, I was edited differently. I was like, well, you made the choices. So I have no sympathy for that, but I love them all.

We're talking about Salt Lake City today, so it feels appropriate to bring up. Last week in Jen Shaw's, there were like some new court filings in advance of the trial, and they're arguing that the jury, shouldn't be shown any footage from the show because it's all edited,

it's not meant to look real, she's like portraying a character. And I mean, I have mixed feelings about this because I do think, you know, should the jury just be shown like a completed episode of Real House Boys of Salt Lake City? Probably not because, yes, they're, you know,

they're constructing and editing in a certain way, but it's like, if they want to bring out the raw footage, it's shit that Jen said. The full on, cut version. I know because I would never want the jury to sit through Whitney and her husband rolling run and paint like we had to to get to the guilty verdict or not guilty verdict. But I mean, that is the footage that is like it shows the proof of how much money they are bringing in and all of the chalais they are getting. And it's also like, girl, like you're on a TV, you're on a TV show.

You chose like this is just, this is what they are doing. Like they would keep phone records that they would use, but also you have a camera crew following around. So I go to use that too. Right. Like maybe not all of the words that come out of her mouth. are being taken as like she's under oath, you know, that's what she's saying. But just kind of the general vibe that she brings on the show, she is portraying herself as somebody who has, you know, kind of unlimited wealth until now that she's, you know, counting how many moving boxes she's going to need. She's like not calling any nursing homes anymore.

She's like, damn, moving. It's expensive now. I do not know that. But it's also a thing to, I feel like one of the biggest things for that, even though now he is turning, he like flipped on her, but like to show how much Stewart was with her and like show all these random assistants. Like it's more so for me, season one, Jen, than this season, obviously because shit hit the fan for her this season, but also just kind of be like the opulence that she was living in was

more unparallel. Like she, like I always thought she was the richest ones of the Salt Lake City ladies. And now we found out why. So I feel like it's important to bring that to the forefront. Right. If you're saying like I just dropped 50,000 on a birthday party for my friend. and it's no big deal because I got it like that. Whether or not you believe that,

that's what you're broadcasting to the world. And if that, if you did in fact pay for that party, you know, the money had to come from somewhere. Yeah, it did not, it did not come from whatever.

I don't even know what her business is, like she said her businesses were before. I just always was like, oh, she's magically making money. And I was like, oh, she's married to a coach. And I was like,

oh, he's not like, like, NFL coach. So it's not the shop. Yeah, it makes good money, but not sweeping in it. It's confusing what she did. but as Lisa said on the season one reunion, it's very lucrative.

That's lucrative. It's more lucrative and more liquid than Vita Tequila, and that's all I can say about that. Yeah. So Jen is in the middle of moving. It's going to be tough for her. I did like seeing that despite Stu's, you know, indictment and seemingly, you know,

being removed from Jen's life, Marillo is still the second assistant. I was like, can we get a promotion for Marillo? Is he even getting paid at this point? Is he a volunteer second assistant? Right. Like, can we hax him? Like, get him to see, oh, oh, whatever the fake title they gave him without him that in that show.

Where it's like, let this man help up. He's putting boxes of like stolen goods into all this stuff. And I do love too that that moving company is like, Jen, you're like a family to us. We love you so much. It will be 10K. We're not cutting any costs. There is no deal for like on trial discounts. I was kind of surprised that, you know, as somebody with a public platform,

they can't give her a little bit of a barter situation. Like, we flashed the logo on the camera. and then now you get a free moving. She's not doing roadway or whatever the one every single housewife in the city does where she's like them driving a truck like, no, this move was so easy. I'm like, Jen, work the system that, work the system legally like that. You would be able to. Right.

I'm always, I mean, I always assumed that half of what we see any given housewife showing on camera, she's getting for free. So I was actually, you know, a little surprised that the moving, the moving quote seemed, you know, market rate. I know. I wonder if she now had to like wanted to say that to be like, oh, I like to portray herself and just like, okay, that is money, but like I can do it now versus before when she was just like, oh my God, I have nine louis and stuff like that. I'm also like, yeah, like this isn't helping your case. Like I can't afford 10K moving from a mansion to a smaller mansion. So I don't know whose case you're helping, but probably not yours.

I do just feel like, you know, she talks a lot about how this is putting pressure on her because she takes care of everyone in her family. And I think that is a real thing. You know, seen some of the people on the show that she kind of feels this responsibility for. And I'm like, you know, it's nice to do that when you have the means to do that. But maybe, you know, push is coming to shove and you need to just accept that you don't have the means to do that and that, you know, it was nice to take care of people while you could. But, you know, maybe it's not the situation anymore. It's the thing too.

I am so happy when a friend is like, oh, I'll get your coffee. I'm like, you don't need to go way over the top for your people. I mean, maybe it's a different road and salt lake city. Maybe you buy someone a bottle of Vuv. But it's still, that's like, you don't have to like go like dropping thousands upon thousands of dollars to people. And I feel like because I did this entire season overall, there was a part of me that I was like, okay, I know she's on trial, but I am kind of finding Jen a little likable here and there. But like that moment I was like, okay, she does care about people, but also I think she wanted to flex on people too with it all. So I'm like, you're biting your hand a little bit by watching too much Kardashian.

Exactly. That's just what that baby girl is. Yeah. Speaking of, you know, doing good things and taking care of people, Meredith is having this lovely, glad photo shoot for her jewelry collection in the middle of the ice, salt. I don't know what that is. A place that I wouldn't want to be. But, you know, I'm loving Meredith's, you know, commitment to letting everyone be themselves.

And I do, I do love that she has tried to. what's that term called when like what's that bot the yossification bot like she did yosify don't ask don't tell or she's like she's like you can do whatever you want to do don't say like where it's like i was waiting for that moment i don't know if you were to end with like and like brooks baby do whatever the hell you want to do i didn't know if like because he was getting emotional i didn't know if he was going to come out or like say anything but i do feel and i do feel because meredith was getting some flack for saying like people can do whatever and i think I do get that she just doesn't want to rush Brooks,

but I do also understand why people are like, you're not totally, like, your messaging is kind of misdirect. Right. I think the message that I think they're sort of trying to send on a personal level is that like Brooks isn't going to come out. Like, don't wait for that because like that's not something that we're, you know,

it's not the path, I guess. But like the way it comes across is kind of like, she's basically saying that like coming out is homophobic because then you're putting like a no exactly okay and it's like I'm like I want Heather Dubro to watch that while she's waving 900 flags God bless her and I just want to be like what is her thought on all of it because it's also a moment too where it's like you're like she brought in like a drag queen all these like queer people for this photo shoot but then she's also not like also with that messaging I'm kind of like Meredith do you even know what you say sometimes I feel like sometimes she doesn't because she just goes for

and quantity of words over the quality of the words a lot. And I think that was definitely one of the instances of it. But I did like that they all had that little family hug, even though Chloe, I guess, was on camera duty because she wasn't in the hug. Yeah, like, she wants equality, but she doesn't want to acknowledge, like, why certain people need equality more than others. She's like, no, no, no, no, no, my family is just equal. We're just equal.

And also, because she's like, oh, Brooks, it's okay. Like, we're white and rich, so you can do whatever you want to do. Like, that's kind of the event where it's like, you can do, you can do it. you can just say that you're Brooks Marx and it's okay. So I feel like it would have served better if they had like more of, like maybe instead of having a photo shoot for your jewelry line, if they had like a fundraiser or something like that kind of like whatever that lady with the caterer. Like that was a beautiful moment with her son or her child.

And then this like no mark was hit with the Marxist at the end of this. Because I'm like, what is this even for? Where is your jewelry going to glat? I don't think they need like whatever you're. chunky chains are, but yeah. I mean, she has some pretty jewelry. I do, I like the gender neutral concept. You know, there's no men's line.

There's never going to be because men can wear whatever they want. I'm like, go off, sis. Oh, she did love that. Yeah, she did love saying that. And I was like, okay, there it is. You know, you know what you're doing there. I mean, I would say, like, it was over the top. Like, I did fucking live for, like, the velvet satin suits and everything like that.

It was chic. It was chic. The photos are cool. Yeah, no, I like the photos. what I didn't like you referenced this already once Whitney and Justin you just spit out your coffee a little bit I just regurgitate oh my god

like as Mary Cosby would say women because I was like what just what I'm like because I do I do enjoy Whitney and I do like her but this season I feel like definitely was kind of her was like what is my she was rotating a lot of storylines until she realized I feel like oh her and Heather

can kind of just be like the Greek chorus to everything and then she's like oh fuck, I forgot that I said, like, I need more sex for my storyline. So they had to wrap that up. And I was like, that is, they should show that at, like, middle schools to promote abstinence. Because if I saw that was what happens in bedrooms, I would be, I wouldn't be podcasting. I'd be in a convent because I was like, this is so fucking is too much. It's too much.

She's like, I forgot about my husband's robotic fucking and my skin care is rebranding. And so now we're going to celebrate both of those things with a bodily. Chambine and Justin, take off your shirt. Oh, man, what did he make him take off? I was like, what are we getting? I'm like, this is some Hulu Tommy and Pam. I'm like, this is getting

a little too real for me. And they were also probably celebrating that he's no longer on the trial for his old company's MLM. I don't a lot to celebrate at the Rose House. I just think at this point, if you work for any of the production companies that do Housewives shows,

you should just like, I'm sure they give you like some guidelines when you start that job, you know, kind of like a do and don't list. The housewife and husband sexy time, it just never quite lands. Going all the way back to Tamara and Eddie in the tub or, you know, Ashley and Michael's, you know, just nightmare fuel. And that little Zoltiac with her when she had Croix, when she had like the photos of them in the tub, I'm like, this is, as Meredith Marks would say, it's repugnant.

Like I just don't. It also doesn't serve the storyline that they think is, like, I like a cute moment of them, like, hugging or something like that. But not this full on, like, edited to be like, lo-fi, like, you're out of hotel room on the premium channels moment. No, I totally agree. Like, I don't mind seeing, you know, couples being lov-d-dovey with each other or like a sensual moment. Honestly, Karen Hugar in the tub going, right! Like, that to me, that's like camp. Like, I enjoy it because it feels.

feels like we're kind of in on the joke. But with these kind of like earnest moments of like, I'm, you know what? I'm going to make my husband horny. It's just like. Yeah. It's so, oh, it gives like Viagra infomercial. Because the thing is I, and like, I'll watch Sierra and Carl, Andrea M. Page. All do we want them making out and get it all down and dirty. But I'm like, I don't want to watch.

I don't want to watch these people who are like happily. I mean, I'm happy. They're happily married. And the key to a happy marriage, I'm sure involves that. Melissa Gorga probably has a chapter about that and happy wife, happy life. But it just doesn't, I also feel like, because that's not the storyline we go for on Housewives. For like the other younger shows, like, hooking up and everything like that's part of the moment. But I'm like, we got indictment charges here and like a maybe faked memorial.

We don't need this. Like I think, because I think that was the thing. There's too much, for this past finale, there's a lot of dead time, in my opinion, for what I really wanted at the finale. And that was five minutes of that. Girl, Winter is so last season. And now Springs got you looking at pictures. of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs.

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Yeah, I think it feels like we have, there were like a few kind of top line arcs this season. Obviously, Jens arrest situation. The Meredith and Lisa kind of breakdown has been really interesting. And then Mary and Jenny's whole thing and like Mary's, you know, potential cult. Like all of that was kind of, if you were to like go down the list of like what did we care about most this season, those are kind of the top things. And then this episode, I get that it's the finale. You want to tie up some loose ends. But it's like, okay, so we're going back to, you know, we're going back to this stuff with Whitney and Justin. You know, we have, granted, a very lovely scene of Heather, you know,

talking about her family issues, which I, so I think that was like fine with me. But then it's like, you know, it kind of feels like we're, you know, having to pick up the, you know, Meredith's whole photo shoot. It's like, I understand in terms of like if you're storyboarding the season, you feel like you have to kind of like revisit those plot points one last time. but then when it all culminates at this Vita tequila party and it feels like we don't actually get closure on anything there's just like a very chaotic last 10 minutes of the episode

and then reunion it's like wait no no no like can we could we have done like half the episode on that at least that was my thing because I feel like at Vita there was a lot of shit going down and I know that I feel like they probably were working with it because like right when so much stuff was getting intense like Mary walked away, which I understand her walking away, because what the fuck was the desperate attempt of Jenny trying to get a second season by throwing glass. And then also Meredith walking away.

So like all the conversations kind of got hit to a halt. But I'm like, we don't get any, even like, we don't get any like a docu special of like Jen Shaw update. You know what I mean or anything like that? I'm like, just give us like some of the main event stuff going on. Yeah. And I think it'll be, I'll be curious to see. Obviously the reunion is coming up.

They're going to talk about Jen, you know, a certain amount. It's in the trailer. But knowing that her trial is going to start next month, it really, I do feel like they kind of are just sort of like kicking the can down the road of not,

you know, we don't really have that much to go on right now. So we'll just kind of ignore it. And it's like, but I still, I still kind of want to talk about it. I'm like, there was one LA Times article for Erica Jane. We got a great Beverly Hill season from that. Like, you know what I mean?

Like, we could like get some, get some things moving. And I'm also curious your take, because I saw, because I completely miss this when I was watching, but I didn't realize that they didn't have like the like, what they're up to now of Jenny. And I kind of was like, they should have said that she got fired. I feel like I'm like, why don't you like,

it's weird that they didn't put that in because it's a quick edit to add in. Right. I would have understood, because I'm assuming that they, you know, in the wake of her being fired, I'm assuming that's when the decision was made to not give her a card at the end of the season because that's not normal to just leave one. out. And so I kind of don't get, you know, if it was halfway through the season and they had said we were firing her, we're going to make every effort to like edit her out, you know, kind of like the sherry pie on drag race type of vibe. That would make more sense that it's like, obviously we're not giving this woman closure. But she only got fired two episodes ago. And clearly this was already done for all intents and purposes. So it's like, yeah, just like put it on. the screen that she got fired for being racist.

Like, I don't think, I, I appreciate that she didn't have a lot of solo scenes this episode or anything like that, but, you know, it felt weird to just pretend that. It's just like, who? Like, they're like, wait, what? Who? Like, it's very like, who said that? Like, everyone's, I'm like, she said that. And like, now she just, we're not addressing it.

Especially after watching that just, oh, that display at that party of her, you know, seeing Mary ignore her. her and then like gleefully smile at the camera was just kind of amazing. And Mary Cosby, I don't know if we'll ever have another one like her for better or for worse. Wait, because you, yeah, I think because you tweeted, I was like, I know that her time has caught and it's, but I'm like, I did fucking enjoy her insane. Like, I've never loved more watching someone not want to be on a reality show or not

knowing what is going on or play any single game, be on a reality show. It was just so refreshing while also being bananas. Yes. And I think Mary didn't want to fuck with Jenny to the extent that it was almost beyond. Mary never really quite clicked in with the assignment of being on Housewives. She gave us a lot because that's kind of clearly who she is as a person. But she was never going to have that moment of, well, it's the finale. And I guess Jenny and I should have a conversation.

to talk through our issues and kind of give the producers that pretty package of an ending that they probably wanted. And so I was totally not surprised. And I was kind of living for it when she was like, I'm good. I'm leaving. We're walking down this like street alone. I was like, I'm obsessed. I want to know what was like her and that producer who was felt like her.

I'm like, that is the spinoff I want. Just Mary Cosby walking down the street. Yeah. And so I'm curious to know, because they filmed that all the way back in May of last year. And then the reunion taped in January. And so I am curious to know kind of, I don't think we'll ever get this. But I would love to actually hear from Mary about where she was when they finished filming mentally. And then kind of when she came to the decision that she was like, no, I'm actually fully done with this.

Not just, because there were many moments in her time on the show where she showed up and clearly didn't really want to be there or want to engage or participate. But obviously, on a certain level, she understood kind of the job responsibilities. But then between filming and the reunion, clearly at some point there was that moment of, I'm not going to do it. And in the trailer, they make it sound like it is partially because Whitney's the term predator, which I just like, I can't get that worked up about that. It's a word. I don't think it's... Maybe it wasn't the exact right word for Whitney to use, but I'm like,

Mary fucking sucks. Like, she is... You can use a word about her. It's fine. And like, and also, I thought, I was like,

oh, Whitney's taking the L and apologizing for calling it a Colt and everything like that. So I thought, I almost feel like there was like, they were like, Whitney do that and then so we can like secure Mary to come back or something like that,

you know, because I'm like, I feel like that was the main duck in a row. So then Mary was not really like, she had tips with everybody else, but there was no real like, feuding going on. Everyone just kind of be like, why are you just mean to all of us?

And I know, because I'm also mainly disappointed. I'm also kind of like, what is a three-part reunion going to be if like, what, what, we're talking about Jen for three episodes? I like don't really know. The thing that it makes me think is that if Mary had showed up, it would be a four-part reunion, which I don't think we need. I think, you know, last season or last year we saw Beverly Hills and Potomac both get four-part reunions.

I thought Beverly Hills, maybe it was justified. Potomac definitely didn't need it. And so I was a little bit troubled by the seeming trend toward giving more shows four-part reunions when in reality, I think more shows could have two-part reunions. Yes. Honestly, it's almost kind of like, I'm like, with New York, it's like, yeah, maybe we didn't have to reunion about anything. I mean, I would have liked it just like one episode of, like, Ramona getting called out,

but it's like, yeah, maybe, you know what? What do we get from that? Sorry, they didn't get that extra checks, but, you know, maybe we don't need to keep on stretching things out. Yeah. And so I will say the thing I'm most excited to see at this reunion is Meredith and Lisa's whatever's going to happen

because they saw that episode with the hot mic and all of that right before they taped the reunion. And that's the thing I I was remembering when we were watching the whole group kind of gather around at the Vita party is that at this point

Meredith still doesn't know all of this stuff that Lisa has said on Mike about her. And so obviously they have their issues that they've been working through. But Lisa clearly is still trying to be on good terms with Meredith, at least in a public context. You know, she's still inviting her to her Vita party. Meredith still feels comfortable enough to attend the party. And they're all kind of, you know, clearly they're having their issues. People are mad at each other. is being Jen. But they seem like they're on a good place, Meredith and Lisa, at the Vita party.

Right. And it's funny because Meredith and Jen seem like they don't seem like in a good place then. But now on Instagram, Happy Valentine's Day and everything. And on Watch what happens a couple weeks ago, Lisa was asked between Jen and Meredith, who she felt closer to after taping the reunion. And she said neither. So who does she have as friends now? I feel like weirdly, Lisa's closest friend in the cast might be Whitney now, which is so bizarre.

That is bizarre. It almost, I feel, because, you know, Lisa does remind me of Bethany a little bit here and there. Like, I feel like that's the book she studied from. And I could imagine, like, there's going to be, Lisa might just start because, like, Bethany when she had to film with, like, her driver, because no one really would talk to her. Lisa's going to pull up to, like, whatever, like, Del Taco and just be like, do you want to talk to me for 20 minutes? Like, just, like, in the, there's going to be a line down the block of everyone trying to get

their drive through. And she's like, no, but, like, the way Whitney did this to me. And, like, I think that is what Lisa's future is going to hold. And I would happily watch that. I could see next season a lot of scenes of her just talking to her sons and getting them unnecessarily. Jack, don't you think it was crazy that Meredith talked to me like that? Like, we've been friends for 10 years. And all of a sudden, she's coming up to me.

Like, who does that? And Jack's like, I have homework. Mom, you took me out of school again. Like, she's going to start homeschooling her kids just to have them to talk to. And they're going to be like, no, I have. actually need to learn what long division is. I mean, they don't really have to, but they should try to learn that. I do think it's so impressive, too, because season one, I'm not sure, I, because I love Salt Lake

season one, did not, could not tell you the difference between Lisa and Meredith. And now I'm like, oh, I know so much about these ladies. So I will say this season overall really put Salt Lake on the map in a new way. Ready to soundtrack your summer? With Red Bull Summer All Day Play, you choose a playlist that fits your summer vibe the best. Are you a festival fanatic, a deep end DJ, a road dog, or a trail. mixer. Just add a song to your chosen playlist and put your summer on track. Red Bull Summer All Day Play. Red Bull gives you wings. Visit red bull.com slash bright summer

ahead to learn more. See you this summer. Yeah, I think season one, people felt like it was fun and fresh and new and promising. But I think season two, they really kind of leveled up in terms of the personal storylines and us kind of feeling like connection. with these women, whether you like them or not, feeling like they're characters in your life that you know and have a connection to. And just kind of as a franchise, feeling like there's layers to everything, dynamics are more fleshed out,

there's more different stuff going on. I mean, just, I've talked about this with people. The fact that Jen's whole legal saga, getting arrested, indicted, all of that stuff, really only ended up being kind of like the third place story. of the season. And I know part of that is just because of legal timelines.

But if it was, if this was a show that didn't have very much going on, they would have latched onto that and milked it for the rest of the season. And because of everything that was happening with Mary and, you know, with Lisa and Meredith, they really didn't have to do that. And I think some people watching it, I've,

I've seen people express opinions. It's like, oh, this season was boring. Or I expected more out of the Jen storyline. And to me, I'm just like, I don't see.

see how, based on some other housewife seasons that we've had to sit through in the last few years, I don't really see how you leave this season thinking it was boring. I mean, you could come up with specific critiques like I wanted to see more from this person or I thought we would hear more about this. But on the whole, it's like, this season had a lot going on. And I feel like, if you think this season was boring as a whole, you might need to reevaluate your expectations of what is reasonable to expect from a housewife season. Yeah. If you think, it's boring. Are you watching O.C. right now? Love them all. And I enjoy O.C. But I'm like, if I hear about this Amazon LGBTQ plus gift again, I'm going to gauge my eyes out. Like,

that is a season where I'm like, nothing is going on. So like there was so much happening. And also, I feel like no one's realizing season three, it's going to kick off with Jenny being addressed and fired and Jen Shaw's legal case going on. So I mean, it really is kicking off into high gear. Danny, it was poor. Nography. I'm like, I would not I gotta say though, Heather's reading them,

I need the unedited version because I am just dying where she's like, um, getting deep-throated and tied up. I'm like, Heather is so funny. Get her high.

I'm like her and Channing getting high. Heather needs to loosen up a little bit, but she does with her family and I do love watching that. Yeah. I, this season of OC, I will say, I feel like I am enjoying it in a casual way. Yes.

Whereas I, you know, I'm not. Hating it. I don't think it's bad to watch compared to last season where every episode felt like a punishment. Oh. It feels so much better, but it isn't really bringing it in the way that I always hope for. Exactly.

I also didn't realize I did. Because just what I see online, I did not know I was in the minority of this thought. I love Gina and Emily. Apparently a lot of people don't. I love those two together. Do you? I do. I think this season, last year I was already.

kind of on the Gina train. Like that pulled into the station a little bit earlier for me. So I've been enjoying Gina. I thought she was kind of the lone bright spot last season. This year, I think Emily has really come into her own. And her dynamic with Gina is very enjoyable. But also she just seems kind of more fun, lighter.

I don't know exactly what it is. But yeah, Gina and Emily are really having, you know, the MVP's of the. season right now. And I'm happy for them because I think, you know, they've been on the show long enough now that with Housewives, after you've been on a couple seasons, it's sort of like a shit or get off the pot. You know, if you're, if you're going to be great, be great. But if not, you've probably served your time. And I'm excited to see both of them kind of ascending a little bit. I know. And I'm excited to have them because I think they needed like the Heather joining. So now

they have like the little Queen Bee that they can be with like as their like dynamic duo. And honestly, I just want them all to be friends because I like, like, I don't dislike any of the OC ladies. I mean, Noella has their moments. What I also like enjoy what she's bringing to the show personally. So I think they're going to, I think it's like a fun crew. So I could see that it kind of like being like they, maybe they just party all together. Okay. So a trending topic, what would you think about Tamara returning?

You know, I think it would be, well, I feel like I'm curious to see Tamara after the Ultimate Girl's Trip Season 2. And I feel like that's what Bravo's doing with a lot of the people on that to be like, let's see how the audience likes and how they go. Yeah. How she interact. Like they're like, everyone's just like waiting by the phone. It's like, when is it airing?

I would kind of be open to it, but I feel they might need to realize because like different back Heather. They have Shannon on who's been on for so long. Maybe trying to add like a little like freshen up moment. And I think what Bravo would start doing is because like they have like with Vanderpump kind of like, you know, me and Vanderpombeck. I would like to see like maybe. maybe they would all be more Beverly Hills, I guess, location-wise.

But to add in some other Bravo people into the OC mix that maybe people know, because I enjoy that on like, even though I'm not like Southern Charming Summerhouse, it is kind of fun to have them mix and mingle together like that. And I'm literally the number one advocate for Lindsay Hubbard to be on Real House of New York down the line. So I kind of think they have all these young people that are aging into new like Housewife territory, that it could be kind of fun to mix all together. My Southern California geography is a little bit lacking. But you know what I would, I think could be fun.

Maybe MJ on O.C. Oh. I've heard mixed things about whether Shaw's is coming back. I personally, I'm hoping it is, but there's no, I haven't heard any concrete information. Yikes. But I think that could be a fun, a fun little crossover moment. That would be so, yeah, I would love MJ on OC, La La on Beverly Hills. and Hubs on New York.

And I think that's fabulous. That's like your starting point, kind of. I think that's my, I think that's my, yes. Because, like, I mean, I do love me some page, but I don't think she could handle all the, like, I need, like, hubs would, like, hit, like, punch someone. I'm terrified every day that I'm going to walk down the street and she's going to punch me.

I love her, but she scares me. So I think we need to bring that energy into houses of New York. I'm just stressed at this point because this morning, of course, I go on Twitter and the first thing I see is some, allegedly official report that no not sonia louan and romona are the only two housewives returning for season 14 and and they're going to cast up to five new women and filming will start this fall and first of all i don't believe anything i read when it comes to new york casting

because i feel like that's the kind of thing where you could just tweet anything and it's taken rony rumors are like the babadook where you're like what is this mythical thing i don't even know what is going on none of it makes sense like there'll be like some reports like Kamala is joining house and you're like, what? They're like, no, no, no, no, no. Contacts are in the mail. I saw it on to law. Yeah. But especially the thing that is a big red flag about this specific rumor, aside from whether or not they would just keep Ramona and Luan, is that they say filming

is set to start this fall. And I, everything I have ever heard about the way Bravo does this shit, they would not be making casting decisions right now for something that they're going to do in September. That's not how they work. They send out the contract letters like. a week before filming starts. Later on this episode, we have Daisy from below deck sailing yacht. She didn't find out she was going back on that boat for a second season until like two

weeks in advance. That's not how they work. No, exactly. They keep the bitches on their toes. And I mean, like, that keeps it fresh. And also because everything's always changing. They do all the chemistry tests and stuff like that. Oh, I hope that's not true.

Because I would like Lou back, but with like Sonia and like those two having fun, I would personally, I wouldn't mind Lee and anybody coming back. I feel like I am also in a. Like, not everybody wants them back. I love them both me, but I would be okay with her own and not coming back. And I also would want Dyrinda and Jill back. Okay. Yeah.

I think that'll be interesting to see how girls' trip too goes with Jill and Darynda. Because Dorenda, I feel, you know, she's only been off the show for a year. It would be pretty seamless for them to just bring her back. It wouldn't have to be a big, you know, thing. But with Jill, obviously she's been in the mix a little bit as, like, a guest. And she's still as friends with some of the... the ladies, especially Luann. But I mean, she hasn't been a housewife for a decade at this point.

So it would be a little bit more of a big return versus just kind of like, yeah, Derinda's off of pause. It would be the thing where it would be like her walking through her house, like the huge thing. I feel like Jill has, Zill, the hybrid name has on her. You know how like they have those signs like, 800 days since an accident at the office? She has that for like how many days since she was a housewife? She's like, Allie, added to the list.

she's like just waiting for Andy. Like she is, the definition of manifestation is Jill getting back on Housewives. Yeah, Jill's bulletin board is like 3,000 days since I last held an Apple. Exactly. And I also feel like, like the little school back to school, Apple.

And I feel too, Jill could bring it because like, I think, because I do love me some Leah. And I feel Jill could bring it to Leah a little bit in a way that they could have some fun sparring. And because Jill doesn't take a lot of shit. And they both don't drink.

So, and like, in like a way where I'm like, I think that they could like have like the where what's all to like spar back and forth while Dorinda is just, who knows what she's doing, but I need her back on my teeth. I feel like Jill could be Leah's Judaism mentor. Oh my God. I like literally. They're going to have like Torah class together.

I need, wait, the Torah is like on a Zarin fabric rug. She's like, I custom made it. I need that like ASAP. Allie. Allie. It's so good. Oh my God. That is what I need.

Danny, this has been so fun. This is a dream. Thank you so much for joining. Remind everyone where they can follow you, listen to you, all of that important stuff. Oh, my God. So you can follow me everywhere at Cashmore, Danny Cashmore, the K. Also, every Monday, me and Sarah Levine are not another true crime podcast.

And I also do Bravo recaps for page six. So, you know, I'm a little bit everywhere. Amazing. A man of many talents. Thank you. Thank you so much, everyone for listening. Don't go anywhere because our interview with Daisy from Below Deck Sailing Yacht is coming up right after this. This episode is brought to you by Prime. Obsession is in session. And this summer, Prime Originals have everything you want. Steamy romances, irresistible love stories, and the book to screen favorites you've already read twice. Off campus, L. Every year after, The Love Hypothesis, Sterling Point, and more.

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I am great. I am very excited that sailing yacht is back and I think a lot of people are excited that sailing yacht is back. How are you feeling going into this new season? I'm excited too, pretty nervous, but definitely excited. Yeah, I think it's going to be a good one for sure. So I feel like last season, you were brand new to the show, obviously, and it had only the sailing yacht had only been around for one season. So maybe people hadn't quite found it yet or, you know, they didn't know you for sure. And this season, I think it feels a lot different. There's a lot more anticipation.

Obviously, people are excited that you and Gary and Colin and, you know, Captain Glenn are coming back. How different does it feel this time around now that you're not just, you know, the new one on board? Yeah, I was in kind of mixed emotions. I felt definitely more relaxed and more confident in my position. more confident about how the, you know, the whole show works. But there was also pressure, you know, season two was so good and so entertaining. It was a bit like, you know, maybe it was just a one-off kind of season. Maybe, you know, it was just a look at the draw kind of thing.

But, you know, after filming it, it was like, no, we kind of have something special going on there. So, yeah, it felt better. I was probably too relaxed, to be honest. Yeah. Yeah, in the first episode, I was surprised to hear that you hadn't really done guest charters since the last time you had filmed. Was that kind of, were you at all nervous for that? Or have you been doing it long enough that it's kind of like riding a bike? I was a bit nervous because I'd never gone pretty much a year, almost a year without doing a guest trip.

So I was definitely nervous. You know, I think anyone who took that amount of time all from their profession would be nervous. But I also have been doing it a very long time. I was like, I'm pretty sure I have this. So coming back from season two to season three, how quickly were you kind of talking to production and everything about coming back? Did you always know that that was an option or was it kind of not on the table for a while? How did that work?

No, they invite you back very late. So it's pretty annoying. You know, obviously I have commitments. I have a job. I have a life. So it was it was only a few weeks before we started filming, which is normal for all the cast members. And I think unless you've possibly been doing it for a very long time. So that, yeah, it's pretty inconvenient, but it's the way it works.

Of course, everyone's like, Daisy, you're coming back. But I'm like, I don't know. Like, maybe not. Maybe, you know, they'll want someone new. So, but they asked me back. So it worked out well in the end. It is funny. I think people on social media are like, oh, like asking you if you're coming

back and so you're like, I know nothing more than you do. So I'm sure it's like, you're just like avoiding a lot of DMs and comments and stuff. It's like, I can't, I don't know what you want for me. Yeah, it's funny. And even when I did film it, people still message me all the time asking me. And I'm like, you know how it works. Like, I sign a non-disclosure. I can't, you know, announce it. So it is a bit annoying. But yeah, it's part of the cave. Have you, so you're in Spain this season in Menorca. Had you worked there before because you were in Croatia last season on the show. Yes, I passed through Minorka before, but I haven't spent a lot of time there. You know, when you're working, you don't really get to see it or enjoy it. But it is really beautiful.

Like, I would love to go there on holiday. Maybe you could go visit Captain Glenn and stay at his apartment in Palma. That's in Palma. That's Mi York. I send a lot of time in New York. So that's New York is the big little island and minorca is the little, the little little island. Okay. My island geography is lacking clearly. I need to spend some more time on yachts. Don't we all? So going into this season, obviously, last year there were some issues with communication or, you know, people not listening to you. That's, I guess, a difference in how you look at it. But were you, did you feel like going into this season, you had the respect that you needed or that you felt confident that you would be able to get that

from your crew this year? Yeah, I didn't feel like I had the respect I thought I deserved. You know, that was going to be a waiting game to see if that happened. But I definitely felt more confident, you know, knowing that the things that I was seeing, the things that I was saying were right. So I definitely felt more confident that this year, you know, someone was going to try and challenge me on something that I felt very firm about that I wasn't going to back down. It's different when you're on a TV show because everybody watches back and gets to see,

oh, yeah. Normally it's like, okay, I know I was right, but we'll never really get to talk about it. But it's like, no, you saw the footage and then we had a reunion and you really, I feel like did kind of come out of last season with that, you know, knowledge that it's like, just listen to Daisy and everything will be okay. I know it was crazy. That's exactly it. You kind of go through your whole life.

You know, I always say being like gaslit. I'm like, I'm pretty sure I was right. But yeah, like you said, what can you do? You know, you have no proof. So watching the show actually felt great for me. I was like, yeah, see? I won't wait. Yeah, same with the reunion.

So it kind of definitely gave me a bit more confidence, kind of being like, you know, I'm not a shit talker. Like, I can easily admit when I'm wrong. And that's, you know, the good thing about me, there's lots of bad things, but one of the more positive things about me is that I can admit when I'm wrong. I'm not trying to be right. I just, I'm trying to get the job done. I don't have an ego. So it was, yeah, it was a good feeling to be able to be like, no, I'm just calling it the way it is. And I appreciated that right off the bat, Colin sort of pulled you and

Gary aside and was like, okay, so we're not going to do what we did last year. I felt like he kind of had your back in that moment. And that was, that was nice to see. Yeah, you know, the guys were, were great this year. They were definitely, you know, bigger help. Like me and Gary still are our cashes. But I definitely felt,

definitely Colin. I think Gary as well did watch the footage. I think Colin was, to be honest, a bit embarrassed about maybe how much more he could have helped or how much more I was kind I was honestly just asking for support. I really wasn't trying to be difficult. I was genuinely coming

to my peers saying, I'm, like, I'm struggling. There's not enough of us to keep up with these dishes. There's not a, you know, I wasn't, I really wasn't trying to be difficult. And I think it was nice that they were able to look that back and be like, oh, actually, Daisy just genuinely was asking for help. Yeah. I mean, I think it's always kind of a delicate balance when you, when we watch these shows that, you know, everybody kind of has to pitch in. And it can be, it can probably feel in the moment sometimes like your, you're, you know, you're. the one who's kind of constantly asking for help or, you know, you're kind of inconveniencing everyone. But, you know, at the end of the day, you just want things to run smoothly, especially when there are guests on board.

Yeah, totally. And for me, it was a really weird thing because when somebody asked for help, whether it be a person on the street or a family member or a friend or whatever, you know, my natural instinct to, you know, it's not easy for people to ask for help. and in a work environment, it's not easy for somebody to say, I'm, you know, I'm struggling, I'm not coping, you know, whether it be something as small as dishes. And I think, yeah, they just, they misunderstood me. And so I took such offense to it. I was like, this isn't easy for me to say,

you know, I'm losing control of my department. And between my clashes with Natasha and, you know, just not being able to keep up with the sailing and the guest demand. So I was pretty upset about it, but I think they just misunderstood the situation. And it was nice that they were able to reflect and kind of go, oh, Daisy wasn't trying to be a bitch. She was just, she was actually just for help.

So Gary and Colin are back from last season. Was there anyone else that you were maybe hoping to see or relieved that you didn't see when you showed up for this season? You know, I like the whole crew. I think, you know, obviously if Ali and Danny hadn't have had babies, I would love to work with them again. They're a little busy. Yeah, exactly.

They had other things on their mind. But the rest of the crew, I think they probably possibly had done their time in the show. And I think, you know, it was a great fit that me, Glenn and, sorry, me, Colin and Carrie came back. So I was happy with the situation. Yeah. Speaking of you and Gary, obviously from the season preview,

the kind of one moment that everybody's talking about is when you and Gary, you know, share a little kiss. What was, did you see that coming at all? I know you can't give too much away. And how do you feel kind of about reliving whatever happens between you two on this season? I definitely didn't see it coming. I can say that for sure. It was part of surprise. is how I feel at the moment I was pretty embarrassed. I probably was full of regret. But, you know, his time has passed and I'm able to reflect on our friendship and, you know, what happened that season and what we've gone through in the last couple of years,

it doesn't really surprise me that the lines may have gotten a little bit crossed. Gary is an extremely flirty, affectionate, you know, you're going to see it this season. you saw it last season, he can't help it. Like he'll flirt with his mother, he'll flirt with the dog, he'll flirt with the fridge if he could. Like, it's just the way he communicates. And as a woman, it's, you know, it's kind of fun. Like, flirting's fun.

So, and because our relationship's so volatile between the kind of intense arguing and then the intense affection, yeah, I was kind of like, you know, I'm not that surprised that we ended up kissing. So I'm okay. with it now, but it's taken a while. I was very much

not surprised that Gary and Ashley ended up kissing on the first night. That felt like I saw it coming a mile down the pipeline. Were you kind of aware that that had happened right away, or were you surprised at all? I know Ashley's on your team, so obviously there's like some

dynamic there. I didn't see that coming. I honestly thought people would have learned from last season. Like, I am so naive and I'm just, honestly, what I see is what I believe. So I just don't believe that this sort of stuff is happening. So I was, I knew what had happened. I don't think I found out for a few days.

And again, like, Gary had kind of told me, like, you know, she really pushed me into the kiss. And, of course, I take everything Gary says with a pinch of salt. And then watching it, I was like, oh, my God, this is, I always. wasn't easy to watch. It was, you know, I love Ashley, I love Gary, but it was, it made me feel pretty uncomfortable, but I mean, as long as they have fun, I guess. And then it's, it's, it makes it a little worse that they're, you know, having their little moment while Tom is like in the cabin with Captain Glenn, you know, puking all over the bathroom floor. It's like, oh, man, I just feel, I feel bad for Tom what in this episode, I have to say. Well, that's the end.

The amazing thing about this show is that, you know, for us as cast members, it's like watching a whole new show because there's so many moving parts and you're obviously so aware of what's happening. So we're, you know, we're sat in the after having fun, drinking. No idea that Gary and Ashley are making out the bow. No idea that Tom is. And it's kind of this juxtaposition, this kind of sliding doors that, I don't know as viewers, but definitely as cast members. it's so crazy how just one slight interaction changes everything. You know, maybe if Tom hadn't have been throwing up, maybe you would have gone and interrupted them.

Maybe if, you know, these kind of things, then you watch it back and you're like, oh, that's why he was over there. That's what was happening when this was happening. So it's from a kind of psychological point of view or the way you want to look at it. It's pretty interesting. Right. And then, you know, Glenn was kind of. kind of like, I'm not having this, came and told you guys to go to bed, even though you

weren't really, you know, doing anything wrong. It's like, there is just a lot going on. And like Colin was saying, we're not even, we haven't even started the season yet, you know, before the first guests are even there. I honestly think it could be the best opening episode of any below deck. Like, it's so much happen. And it really set the tone for the season. Mm.

Yeah. I think, you know, with any, below deck is an interesting show because it's always some, some of the same people, some different people. So you really do get a great mix of their dynamics. And it does feel already like this cast, you know, there's a lot of single people, which is always helpful. You have, you know, some younger people in the cast, some older people. We have Ashley who wants to pretend that she's older than Tom, which watching her, like,

play mind games with herself about people's ages to justify why she's not interested in Tom is honestly this is a running theme throughout the show with Ashley and I you know I have no problem in saying it because I'd say it to her face and I think everyone did she was obsessed with it it was obsessive and what I kind of remind me of is you know when you're 12 and you're like I want to go to the disco and I want to have a glass of wine because you're convinced you're 18 and then you look back in it and you're like, oh, that was so embarrassing. Like, so desperate to grow up. That's, you know, definitely Ashley has a bit of that syndrome. She's so desperate to be beyond years and it really is a theme and that's why you see it in the trailer, why you see it in the first

episode. She's obsessive about it. I'm like, girl, you're 23. Enjoy it because trust me, when you get to my age, you'll do anything to be 23 again. Yeah, she's like asking Gary how old he is and then adjusting her age preferences accordingly. It's like, we can all see right through that. It's not, you're not being like sneaky. I mean, if anything, I would have loved to have hooked up with Tom, but I'm 11 years older than him, so it just would have been weird. I'm like, you know, like, it's not appropriate.

You would be getting like hate messages on social media about how you're corrupting a younger person. Oh, massively. I'm like, I'm so jealous that you, you know, she's like, oh, I'm too, too old for you. But that bit in the trailers says it. Because it really is Ashy, because obviously the trailer is the introduction to us all. And she's like, oh, you're so young. And he's like, I weren't the same.

It was so good. I was like, Ashley, oh, God. I do want to talk about at the end of the episode with the guests on board, we see the primary guests being pretty inappropriate with Gabriella after everyone else had already gone down to bed. As a Chief Stu, you're her supervisor. Or what is it like finding out that that kind of thing has happened or watching it happen? I don't know when you heard about it. But what does that make you feel like knowing that that's happening to someone on your crew?

Yeah. For me, I felt I knew what had happened. She told me watching it was even harder. You know, you always hear these things. But actually witnessing it is a different experience. I felt really bad for her. I felt guilty for not having state of it. I had no clue.

Like, because if guests are. if I get the impression that guests are about rowdy or rude or inappropriate, I would have, there's no way I would have let Gabriella stay there on her own. But it really seemed okay. But, you know, that's why Gabriella was second to. She handled it perfectly, you know, that she had the maturity to be able to, you know, look after it on her own. So as much as I felt bad for not being there to support her, I also knew that.

you know, I'd made the right decision giving her seconds to you and that she had the maturity to handle situations like that. Yeah, it was, it was kind of impressive the way that she deflected it without, you know, because it's hard when you're in a position, you're on service, you know, these guests are paying a lot of money. You don't want to make the guests feel, you know, uncomfortable or, you know, tell them off. But in that situation, it's like, this isn't, this isn't acceptable behavior. And I thought she, she did a good job of handling that. because it's a really tricky situation. Completely.

And I think, you know, it's not just in a work environment. It can be in a bar. I mean, it happened to me last night. And my friend was like, like, this guy was like, fell in love with me. It's never happened to me before. And I just laughed at his jokes and kind of said, I have to go away. And she was like, why, you're so good at that? And I was like, yeah, I'm a chief stew.

Like, that's, you know, my job. But you don't want to embarrass anyone, you know. And Gabriella, like you said, handled that so well. She didn't want to embarrass him. I think even just as a person, not even as a paying guest, but made it very clear that he was crossing the line without kind of going, you know, making a big scene and being, you know, embarrassing him or whatever. And so, yeah, she handled it like a pro. Totally. So you said that you think this premiere is maybe the best, one of the best below-deck

premieres. What do you think about this season coming up? We have a lot to look forward to, obviously, you know, what are your overall feelings about the season? And is there anything that you're kind of most excited for people to see? You know, I personally think the season could possibly top last season, which, you know, for everybody involved, production cast, we're like, how can last season possibly be topped? But so much happens. There's just so many more little stories rather than the kind of Garriali and Sydney story. There's a lot more involvement from the rest of the crew. And, you know, again, it's just the, I think we had worst guests this year.

So I think you see my patience, Stephanie, a bit more worn. Or maybe you'll be impressed with how I handle it. I don't know. Come back in a couple months and I'll grade your patience. Definitely, yeah, for sure. I'm excited to see how people. I'm excited to see how I reacted because in my head, I'm being so. rude, but I know I'm very good at my stute face. So maybe I was good. I know, we'll see.

But yeah, huge. There's just so many ups and downs, a lot of tears, arguments. I don't know, so much happened. It was, it was a really a great season. It's an emotional roller coaster. So, yeah, I'm excited for it. I think it's going to be a lot of fun. Well, I am very excited to see the rest of it. And have a great time. You're headed back out on, uh, on charter in just a couple days, I think. Yeah, I'll be on the boat in about two days, fly out tonight. So, yeah, I'm excited to work and not drink for a while. So I'm actually really looking forward to it. Well, Daisy, thank you so much for stopping by. We can't wait to see the new season and best of luck with everything. Thank you so much. Thanks, everyone for listening.

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