Mention It All - Miami Is Still That Girl Ft. Mark Indelicato

Episode Date: June 13, 2025

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Betches Media presents. Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All, a Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With me, Dylan Hafer. We're going to check me, though. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast.

The time has come. We have a new season of Real Housewives of Miami to talk about. And oh boy, we are going to get into this premiere. We've got some other stuff to talk about, too. I'm going to get into the news of our latest Real Housewives of Beverly Hills cast member that was a, announced. And then later in the show, stick around because I have a fun conversation with one of my favorite actors on one of my favorite shows, Mark and Delicado. You know him from playing

Damien on Hacks. You know him from being on Ugly Betty back in the day. And you might know him from his Watch What Happens Live appearances. He's a huge Bravo fan. So it was fun to chat with him and get his takes on lots of different things happening in the Bravo universe. But before that, Miami, we're going to get into it. If you haven't gone and subscribed, to our YouTube channel at Always On. Our YouTube video episodes are out every Tuesday. We had Riley and Ariana from NextGen, NYC. Next week coming out on YouTube on Tuesday, Joel Kimbooster, fresh off of the Love Hotel

finale, stopped by, and we talked about the Love Hotel. We got his thoughts on all things, Housewives. There's nobody I love talking to more than just like a fellow Housewives lover, and Joel certainly is that. So make sure that you go subscribe YouTube.com slash at always on betches. You have to put the at sign. It's the only website I know where you have to put the ad sign. YouTube.com slash at always on betches.

It's a mouthful, but it works. It works if you, I think it's in the description too if you want to just click on that. But anyway, last Friday night. Of course, you know, I record Friday morning. It's like, oh, great. We have so much news to talk about, you know, Brits suing the network. What else could go wrong? Well, not go wrong necessarily.

Friday evening, we get this bombshell announcement that after, you know, a decade plus since her eponymous Bravo show concluded airing, Rachel Zoe of the Rachel Zoe Project herself is coming back to Bravo as a full-time diamond-holding real housewife on Beverly. Hills. Now, this came out of nowhere. And I am impressed, first of all, I'm impressed that this didn't leak. I didn't see a single rumor. I didn't see a single, you know, sketchy tweet of Des Mois being like, um, anon, please, but this former C-list, stylist, Bravo person is, is heading back to, you know, none of that. None of that. Nobody told me. It was like Friday at 7 p.m. I was like, I guess I got a post. But this is so interesting.

Rachel Zoe, if you recall, I just rewatched the first season of her show last year and talked about it on the podcast. And I really got a kick out of it. I was not sure how it would kind of hold up. I wasn't sure if it would really, like, feel entertaining in 2025. You know, we've come a long way in terms of what works on reality TV. And you know what? The Rachel Zoe Project still slaps. still slaps. If you want to scroll back in the feed, I don't remember when I did it. I think it was last year sometime. But Rachel So, first of all, important to note, she and her husband, Roger, of many, many years split up last year. Like, I think a week after I talked about it on the podcast. So we are going to be seeing Rachel in a, I guess you could say, transitional time of her life. I always think that's an interesting time for somebody to join housewives. And particularly,

for somebody who we know from a previous career, and we've seen her and her husband together on camera, I'm really curious to see how, if at all, that has impacted her energy. And I'm really curious to see sort of just like what version of her personality she brings to this show. Because Rachel Zoe is somebody who can be a little bit abrasive. She can be sarcastic.

She can be bitchy. And all of those things, can really work on real housewives, but they also are strong choices to make on a show where on Rachel's O project, she was the boss. Everybody on the show was working for her. I mean, even Roger. Roger was, you know, stuck in the hotel room waiting on his wife to return his BBM messages while Rachel was like out and about at New York Fashion Week yelling at Taylor, yelling at Brad, yelling at, you know, whatever poor taxi driver for the traffic. Housewives is a different kind of show because if Rachel comes on and is just like, I'm the boss, hear me roar, I don't know how Dorete and Sutton and Kyle and Erica and Bose and whoever else they scrounge up, I don't know how they're going to react to that energy.

I also don't know a ton about, I assume that Rachel has at least, you know, acquaintance relationships with probably a few of the women on the show. certainly Kyle Richards, she would have met and interacted with. It seems like, you know, somebody like Jennifer Tilly, somebody like an Erica, she probably would have, I don't know, met in some capacity, but I just, I'm really intrigued. And I think that this is great casting, at least on a conceptual level, because it sparks conversation. Rachel is somebody who is, of course, famous in a certain way, but isn't a Denise Richards or, you know, an Eileen Davidson god lover that is going to bring sort of like a, like an actorly persona? It's like, no, Rachel Zoe is just like Rachel Zoe.

She's kind of one of one. And she's a very, um, she's a very like 2000s kind of famous. And, you know, that worked the first time with Lisa Rina. Lisa Rina came on the show. She was who she was. We loved it until we didn't. But if Rachel Zoh can have a Lisa Rina-esque run on Housewives, that will be all I want and then some. So we'll see.

Optimistic. Optimistic. Beverly Hills needed something. They needed something. And this is certainly that. But now let's talk about something that isn't just conceptual. We got to watch it. We got to watch it.

The Miami premiere. Now this season of Miami, it took a minute. It took too long for my liking. And you can kind of feel it in the premiere. And this was my first, my first thought. When I sat down, when I pressed play, I was like, where are we starting in all of the time that has elapsed since we last saw these women? And the answer is kind of a little all over the place. Because it starts in April of last year, in the wake of Todd filing for divorce from Alexia.

and we get like some kind of real time, you know, Alexia sobbing, explaining what happened, the women responding, Adriana Demora on her, I told you so, world tour. Frankly, love to see it. I mean, Adriana, I don't know if I would like to have her as a friend, but I just love to have her as a friend of on TV. She's perfect. But we get that. We get that. And I was worried at the time because I didn't think that they were filming.

when this was happening. I was like, wow, this is all happening. Alexia's world is crumbling, and Andy and a camera are nowhere to be found. And that seems like almost a negligence on the part of whoever makes the rules, a dereliction of duty, just irresponsible, frankly.

But no, there were some cameras. But the thing is, that happens. And then we jump ahead five months, five months. So I guess it's like September. And this is clearly when they really like began filming, filming for the season. And over the course of the episode, the episode itself is good. There's a lot going on.

This group has no shortage of storyline. And that is, you know, a wonderful thing to say about a franchise that's in its seventh season, It's fourth since the reboot. The cast has been really consistent. We have a new housewife this season that is not in the premiere. So there is no kind of like new people being incorporated into the group in this episode. There's a lot going on. It's a rich text to pull from.

But you can really feel the passing of time since they have last filmed a season. And for some groups, I think that's a good thing. Because if there's a show or it's like, okay, not a lot has been going. If it's Beverly Hills and you know these girls don't even save each other's numbers in their phone when they're not filming. It's like, okay, yeah, you can take six months and you kind of just pick up where you left off. Story has happened here in Miami. We've got, you know, Martina and Julia have adopted two little boys. This has happened.

Martina's cancer-free. Julia scheduled a Zoom call with all of the ladies to tell them the exciting news. And what would you know? Gertie dropped off the Zoom call. She was on the call and she was not there. And then she just sent a very, a very cool text. Just congratulations when she saw the news. That situation, I'm trying to wrap my mind around.

Like, Julia feels very hurt and Gertie's like, babe, like, I had bad Wi-Fi. I didn't, I didn't say that I didn't give a shit about your kids. That whole situation has happened. It's unclear, like, how long it's been. been since that took place. Larsa and Marcus are fully broken up. It's finally stuck out on the third or fourth time, it seems like. And this has caused a rift in her friendship with Lisa because Jody is hanging out with Marcus because he kisses ass and is thirsty for the last name. And so Larsa's mad at Lisa for not telling Jody not to hang out with Marcus. And also Lisa's like, well, I left a real party

for your fake break, it's a whole thing. Fake breakup. Fake breakup. That has all happened. That's a whole situation that is still unfolding. Meanwhile, we have Adriana, who has been BFFs with Julia. I mean, perhaps even BFFWB's best friends forever with benefits a little bit. Not actually.

Of course. I'm not alleging anything. But she and Julia. are closest can be in those first couple reboot seasons. Now they have drifted apart because Julia has drifted into the waters of Alexia and Maris Hall, waters that Adriana is famously not so welcome in. There's just a lot that has taken place, not to mention the Alexia and Todd of it all, because Todd moved out in the middle of the night, filed for divorce from Alexia,

told her that she would be happy about this. Okay. She said he wasn't kind to the kids to, beloved Frankie. Beloved Frankie. But then they're spending time together. Marisol finds out that they're spending time together in the press. And Alexia's like, well, Myanmar, you were in Japan.

I didn't want to bother you. I was like, send the text. I love that Marisol is like, it's a bad idea. This is not good. I do not want them to be together. Alexia is like really deep in it. And I wish her the best, but I fear for the worst. Because she gets asked, what if he does this again?

Larsa, I mean, Larsa's head is not always screwed on quite straight. The way that she, you know, Larsa, how do you know Pippin? How do you know you have cancer? But when it comes to talking to Alexia about the situation with Todd, her cautionary tale is like, I think so valid when she says, you're giving him all of the benefit of the doubt. And he has nothing to stop him from doing this again. And Alexia's like, well, you know, you never know. and we haven't had that conversation. And it's like, you haven't.

You haven't had the, he filed for divorce. He moved out of your home overnight after taking you out to dinner and having amazing sex according to her. And you're just like not going to ask any follow-up questions. You're just going to be like, yay, I'm so glad you're back. Now let's go on vacation and make out and everything's going to be good again. I just don't, I mean, like, I have not been in a situation like this even in any way. I've never been married to a man named Todd who gives off a skeezy vibe and everybody's

been telling me that for years and then he does the thing that people said he was going to do and then he sort of like walks it back. I've never been in that specific situation so I don't want to presume to tell Alexia how she should feel or how she should handle it. But it's a little bit of like a you endanger girl kind of situation. And again, I wish her the best. I fear the worst. I don't know.

I've met Todd. Nice guy. I guess. It's just like, when even Marisol is like, I don't know about this one. Monkey, you're going to get hurt. I love when she calls people Monkey. Lisa's her little monkey. Lisa's going through her own journey.

Lenny and the mistress, Katarina Mazepa, I love saying her name. She sounds like a character, actually, she sounds like a character from Gypsy. It's like, you know, in the musical Gypsy when there's like the three strippers and one of them is Miss Mazepa? That's the only thing I picture

when I see the name Katarina Mazepa. It's a great name. Her judgment may be less great. But so Lenny and Katarina have split up. Lenny wants to get back together. Lisa actually, when Lisa faked out Alexia and Marisol saying that she was like on the fence about getting back with Lenny, I bought it hookline and sinker and I literally like wrote in my notes.

I was like, girl! No! Please! And then she's like, you guys, I'm kidding. And so I just like, delete, dilly, dilly, dilly, dilly, dillie, dillie, I'm like, thank you. Lisa. Lisa, another person who's like, judgment, I'm not always, um, supporting. But in this case, I'm like, whatever red flags Jody might have, it cannot compete with Red Flag Central over at Lenny's place. But now Lisa's in a new kind of weird phase of

her situation because she and Lenny have 50-50 custody. So suddenly she is without the kids half the time. And it does make me just like a little bit. I mean, it's, That would be tough for anyone. But she's like really, really leaning into being with Jody. And she's like, wow, when I don't have the kids, if I didn't have you, I don't know what I would do. It's like, girl, find that independence. I'm glad that she seems to be doing well, like, financially lifewise. She's in her cozy little 6,000 square foot condo.

You know, that must be tough. 6,000 square feet condo and then also 6,000 square feet of balcony, of patio, whatever. Miami is so weird. I'm like, what do you mean you have a 6,000 square foot balcony? That's a home.

That's a... You have a mansion out there that's just like open to the air. Miami is so weird. When I was in Miami for Fan Fest in November, I was staying really close to the building that Larsa lives in. And I don't remember how I found out that Larsa lived there. But it's just like the biggest, ugliest, tallest building that has like weird lights on it at night.

And like, I know that I've, you know, seen Larsa's place. It's beautiful. But I'm just like, man, every building in Miami is just like they plucked a cruise ship out of the water. and stuck it vertical. And I're just like, yeah, apartments. Not for me. Not for me. I mean, like Miami.

Great place. No shade. But yeah, everybody's, everybody's just kind of going through changes. Everybody's, you know, figuring out the next phase of their life. Kiki. Oh, God, I love Kiki. Kiki's energy. She's inviting people on the yacht.

She's like, I used to date the owner of the yacht club. And so now I get to use to use. the yacht whenever I want. And I love that the confessional producer is like, wait, you used to date him, but you still get to use the yacht whenever you want. She's like, yeah, what's weird about that? That is when you know that somebody is just like living a different life than you. Kiki is so beautiful, so charismatic, so, so tall, just so tall that she's like, of course I get to use the yacht whenever I want. What's the question? It doesn't face her at all.

Her son is in college. She has like a 19 year old kid and she is out here looking like that. I just, I love Kiki. I love Kiki. I'm always wondering what is the holdback on us getting more Kiki, like more of her life. It does sort of give Marlowe to me a little bit.

not, they're certainly not the same in many ways, but just in the sense that, like, I don't know how much more Kiki wants to share. And certainly with Marlow, when eventually it came time for her to hold that peach, it didn't, it didn't necessarily go the way we envisioned it or she envisioned it. So I'm not saying that that should change, but just, just, you know, Kiki, love you. Please stick around. But no, the big, um, the big group scene, in the premiere is Jody's birthday party, which is really Lisa's birthday party. I don't know when Lisa's birthday is,

but it's a party for Lisa. And the big drama, of course, is Lisa and Larsa, because Larsa's going to be there. Jody doesn't invite Marcus, which, like, the Jody and Marcus thing, it's always funny when you find out that the boys are friends with each other outside of the show.

It's like on Secret Lives of Mormon Lives, and it's like, well, actually Dakota is one of whoever's best friends, It's like, huh? No, Dakota is like a Ken doll that only comes out of the closet when we need storyline. What do you mean he's best friends with somebody? That doesn't make sense. No, but this Marcus thing, I just wish that we were seeing any of it in real time because it feels like the fact that they had four different breakups, all of the thing of Marcus being spotted with a white powder. We're getting tidbits of that.

And Larson's like, well, you know, it's embarrassing. And the kids are telling me that I got to get off the ride. It's like, I wish we had seen a little bit of the ride happening. in real time because the last time we saw Larsa on this show, it was Marcus Jordan is perfect and we're, you know, he's, that's my baby. And why do you think it's weird that I used to be married to his, his father's teammate? And all, and so like, it just feels like we, we missed kind of the, the action. And so now we're left with the aftermath. But the aftermath is interesting in the case of Lisa and Larsa's friendship, because man, they are in a bad place. Lisa is,

claiming she didn't get Larsa's texts. This is awkward. Larsa and Jody have an awkward run in. Larsa's like claiming that it's just, it's so much. It's so much. Also, Alexia giving Lisa like the tough love that she's like, you need to unfollow Marcus on Instagram.

You told all of us to unfollow Lenny. So you think you would have liked that? It's like, first of all, Marcus and Lenny are not the same. I think that's a little bit of, like, a little bit of an unfair comparison, but I get, I mean, it's all very petty. It's all very petty. And Larsa and Lisa going at it, the thing of watching them to fight, it's kind of funny because like, it's kind of like those two yappy dogs at the dog park that are just going at it.

And it's like, man, that's a lot of noise. That's kind of annoying. But like, I'm interested. But also, okay, let us know when you two figure it out. Lisa's saying, says the face. break-up thing and Larsa calls her a fake bitch, fake breakup, fake bitch, tip or tat. And this is when Lisa kicks her out. Lisa says that Larsa should leave her home. And it's always, it's so funny when somebody gets kicked out on reality TV, the way that it sort of unfolds from there. Because it's like, in real life, I don't think I've ever gotten kicked out of a party. I've like, I don't know, the cops have, I'm like thinking in high school, I'm like, I don't know, the cops show up and you kind of leave.

No, this isn't something that has happened to me in real life, but like, if somebody asks you to leave their home, you probably just like walk out the front door. But on TV, it's a little bit more like, okay, so Lisa asks Larsa to leave. So now Larsa's going to go into the bathroom with, you know, Adriana or whoever and it's going to be screaming about whatever. And then she's going to come back out. And then they're going to have like one more moment. And then she's going to walk out. And then she's going to be complaining to whoever on the curb and the cameras are going to be following her. Like it takes like an hour to get kicked out of a party.

And that's the funny thing. It's like, it's like, okay, once you kick me out, then we will start the steps. It's like we have a game plan. We shift to plan to plan B. It's like in parks and recreation, they have all the like emergency binders. It's like once she says leave my home, the producers are like, Like, quick, quick, quick, get the binder. What do we do now?

What's our shot list? What do we have to film? It's not a great start to the season for Larsa and Lisa. And I don't think it's going to get better. I don't think they're going to like come back together over this. And it's just so silly because it's like, what? Because Jody went to dinner with Marcus Jordan. Who the fuck are?

Who are these men? Who is Adrian Maloof in this world? It's so silly. It's so silly. The Zoom call with Gertie and Julia, it's so silly. And that's why I love this franchise. Because these women are going to take something small and just turn it up to 11. And I think we're in for a good season.

I'm excited for us to kind of like get back into the swing of things a little bit. Stick around. My conversation with Mark in Delicado is coming up next. everything. That's why Ali's science back support is made with a blend of melatonin and L-theonine for both kiddos and grown-ups. So when your mind won't switch off, you've got something that can help. You're racing thoughts and restless nights won't stand a chance. Find Ollie's sleep solutions for the whole family at ollie.com. That's OLLL-Y.com. This episode is brought to you by Redfin. You're listening to a podcast, which means you're probably multitasking, maybe even

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just want to talk about right now is Kenya Moore? Yes. Yes. That is in fact, all I ever want to talk about. We could skip all of the hacks and ugly betty questions. I just want to talk about Kenya Moore. Perfect. Well, I would love to start. For people who maybe don't know so much about you, you have been on TV in the entertainment world for a really long time. And I'm curious from a reality TV perspective, what is your Bravo origin story?

How did you first discover the housewives? What was your gateway? Well, when we started filming Ugly Betty, my mom and I had to move to Los Angeles. We had never been to Los Angeles before to shoot the first season of the show. And we were staying in this really shitty apartment that like, you know, it was just, and it was new. My dad wasn't with us. Like, we were alone. And it was just in a new place.

And it was, I think that we found so much comfort. And this is in 2006. So this is when the housewives of Orange County came out. Like, it was when the Housewives, like, universe was launched. And so we found such solace in, like, sitting down and, like, watching Vicky Gumbelson yell about a family van. I always think it's fascinating. You and I are about the same age.

And, like, I came to it a little bit later. But I love hearing from people who are that, like, younger millennial age group who started watching, like, with their moms when they were literal children. And it's like, yeah, that's the kind of. upbringing everyone should have. There also was this, there was a feeling like when they started, like

when they were still figuring out what the show or the franchise was going to be. So they were a lot nicer. Like if you go back to like season one of Orange County, like it is so tame compared to, you know, when you get into the other franchises as like time goes on.

Like the first ever season of Housewives was so, tame. They were actually like really nice to each other. And so it didn't necessarily make for the TV that we're watching now. You know, I mean, they, they just make you fight, which, you know, I'm here for it. But yeah, I feel like it was a few seasons in when like Tamara was around and Gretchen and like that kind of era where it was like, okay, like, no, I'm going to have a dinner party and it's going to be psycho. And that's what the show is about. And we're getting her naked wasted. And we're getting her naked wasted.

Yeah. Naked wasted. Gretchen returning to Orange County this season after like 12 years. I'm here for it because we were robbed of Ultimate Girls Trip because of the Caroline Brandy controversy. And Gretchen was, I was really excited to see like Gretchen and Alex McCord be back and just, you know, so I'm excited to see that. And I love that, you know, the reigniting of the Tamra drama, the Tamra Gretchen.

feud is nostalgic. It's always so interesting when you have people who are off of these shows for a long time and then they kind of get like unthought or whatever. Like they get brought back and it's like, oh, some things never change. Like these ladies are still going to be at each other's throats. Like it's- For sure. They also like, they need the check though.

Like this is like, you know, I think that at a certain point we have to also understand that Like, this is, I think that, like, what people are, don't really understand is, like, this is their job. Like, this is their bag. You know what I mean? And they have to work really hard to sustain relevancy within the Housewives universe. So you better show up and show out. You know what I mean? Like, fight.

That's kind of the, the tea. Yeah, it is, especially when you're- Or you have to be, like, so funny. Or you have to be, like, the funniest person on the planet, you know? Or you have to be, like, a Porsche. You know what I mean? like where you're like or or back in the day like a bethany not now but back in the day yeah like there's there's a few buckets if you want to have lasting success like you either have

to be like bringing the mess or the comedy or be like the pillar of the community but there's only so many slots like you can't not everybody can be a Porsche yeah right or the villain you know what I mean like or you need to just get ready for the fact that like this is the way that you're going to be able to make your money is by being the villain, Danielle Stab. Exactly. I know from your appearances on Watch What Happens Live that you're a Daniel, a Danielle fan. I, because that is perfect television. Like, that's what I want to see.

And my fiance actually, I've, I've worn him down that now he's, we're watching old jersey right now. And he's starting to understand, like, who these women are. like when I talk about them and stuff. And Danielle was just good TV. I mean, like just like the season two reunion, for example, like she contradicts herself at every single turn but doubles down on it. Like, it defies all logic.

And I find that to be entertaining, to be honest. Just the other day, I was with friends and we were talking about when Danielle came back in like season nine or whatever it was and they went to the Bahamas for her wedding and she, the meltdown that she had when all of the women showed up in the morning without their hair wet. Yep.

Yep. Just like the absolute just like wicked look on her face and she's like, why is their hair wet? We don't have time to do blowouts. It's like, Danielle, every single woman thought they were supposed to come with wet hair. Everyone was like, what? Like, it's just,

But this is the thing. Like, that woman was working for her check. Yeah. Sometimes I almost think, like, being a friend of can be a good way to really, like, bring the best out of someone in terms of, like, messiness. Because they know that they're having to, like, really earn every appearance versus you can't be complacent. When you're a friend of, if you want to feel relevant to the show, you've got to, like,

you've got to put in your effort. Yeah. I think that, like, I think the most degrading bit would be. if you were a full cast member and then are demoted to friend of. Like, when they did that to Vicky. Yeah. And she, like, truly in that reunion, like, lost her mind. Like, she truly lost the plot.

Yeah. Again, love it. Yeah. I mean, even the season with Danielle where she was asking where she was going to sit at the reunion and they had her in that, like, extra chair. I won't go out unless I'm sitting next to Andy. And Andy's like, well, you're not. So I don't know what you want me to do.

It's so tough because it is like, like you're saying, it is like the check at the end of the day. Like it's their job. But it's so, it's like this humiliation ritual of us that it's like, well, do you want to be on TV zero episodes or do you want what will give you? I don't really necessarily see any big prospects for Danielle Stoub outside of professionally outside of being the recurring villain on the Housewives of New Jersey. I don't, you know, I don't really know what else it is that she can do.

Fair enough. It's been such a long time with Jersey now. It's like we're, we're in that like year territory where it's like, okay, what's the, what's happening here? Is the ball rolling? You know, I just, I really am, I don't really love the fact that they're completely recasting. I just think that either Teresa or Melissa have to leave the show or leave the show or get their spin-off or whatever because that's what this last season essentially was. It was just keeping them apart.

But I love, like, I love Dolores. Dolores is actually a friend of mine. And, like, we met when we were on Watch What Happens Live together and just truly fell in love. She was, she is the most incredible woman. Like when the LA fires were happening, she texted me. She was one of the first people to reach out to me and was like, and she calls me Mark Anthony, because that is my middle name.

She loves that. Nice Italian boy from Philadelphia, so close enough. And she was like, if you need anywhere to stay, like if you need to leave Los Angeles, like, come to New Jersey. You can stay with me for as long as you need to. and I was like, that was just, I mean, that's just so nice, like, because I know that she meant it. You know what I mean? Like, she is a very, very nurturing person.

Meeting her and her energy is so nurturing, and you can just tell, like, right off the bat. Yeah. And I love a fiery Italian woman from New Jersey, too, though. You know what I mean? Yeah, I've had her on the show a couple times, and I totally agree that her energy, it's, like, exactly what you would expect it to be. Totally. It's just like, yeah, and it does feel like I love some of the people that I've met that are on Bravo where it's like you don't have to meet them for very long for them to make you feel like you're having like a real interaction. And I think that that's such a skill. And I think probably being on TV like that like sort of helps you get used to that. Yeah. I mean, I was also like when when they were asking me from my first watch what happens live, like who I would want to be on with, my first and only choice was Dolores because Jersey was air.

airing at that time last year. And she did it. And, like, she knew that I obviously was, like, a really big fan of hers. And it just goes to show that, like, she treats her fans really, really well. Like, people, like, I just know for a fact that, like, she, like, walked into my dressing room and was, like, so just lovely and embraced me and was just saying, like, thank you so much for your support. Like, it was just, and it was genuine.

Like, it wasn't, like, some Hollywood bullshit. put on stuff, you know. I'm curious. Do you have any, like, do you have any, like, interesting interactions with, with Bravo people or with reality TV people, maybe on the slightly less

warm and fuzzy side of things? I mean, back in the day when we were filming Ugly Betty and we were shooting in New York, you know, Ramona Singer would, like, go to the opening of an envelope. And so, you know, I would see her around, and I was, like, 15. She would, like, push me out of the way multiple times, you know, so that tracks.

I was, I, growing up was good friends with Victoria Deliseps. Love. And so, I have, in fact, stayed at the Sag Harbor House before. Was this, like, post-counter house? Was this, like, post-count or, like... Post-count. Okay, post-count. Post count. Well, it was like in the middle of like count is leaving.

Okay. Okay. Because I'm, we became friends when they were still in the Bridge Hampton house. Yes. Okay. Do you know what I? So it's giving like it's like 2012, 2011. I aspire to like have to separate out my life into different segments based on like which which Hampton I'm in. That is, that's exactly what I do. You're like, okay, see what the Sack Harbourhouse.

Well, West Hampton isn't really, West Hampton isn't really the Hamptons. Oh, yeah, I've seen like TikTok drama about this. It's like, you did not buy a house in the Hamptons. Girl, whatever. Like, oh my God. It's a joy to be able to buy a house, period. No, truly.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, you know what I mean? One thing that I love about hacks is kind of like the way that it incorporates so many of these like entertainment industry tropes and figures and sort of random side characters that you meet. I feel like almost the longer we watch the show, the more kind of extra people you pick up and then they can come back in the funniest ways. And I feel like that kind of feels spiritually similar to like when you watch a housewife show for 10 years. And it's like, oh yeah, this person's hairdresser is kind of in the background somewhere. And I just love, it really feels like such a real, a real world. Yeah, I mean, I think that television as well is an interesting medium because you're,

you're watching it at home. And I think that this is, I mean, this is kind of a cliche, like, thing to say. But, like, you know, you invite these characters and these and these people like into your home, into your intimate safe space. And I think that that's what makes. makes television so impactful, I think, for people and why, I think, why people are potentially more inclined to, like, approach a television star versus a movie star, for example. And maybe not as much now, like, with streaming and stuff like that.

But, like, when you, when you, like, had to go to the movies, it feels, like, outside of your kind of comfort zone. You know, you're around a bunch of strangers and, like, this and that. Whereas with television, you watch it in your home. That's the whole bit. And I think that the intimacy of television, at least historically, I think, is extremely impactful. Yeah, that's true. And I think also, like, the fact that you, for shows that are on for multiple seasons, like, you feel like those people are, like, a part of your life for a chunk of time.

I mean, I remember, this is crazy, but, like, I think Ugly Betty was one of the first shows that I ever. like binged because it was like around that time where it was like okay Netflix is like starting to be a thing like you can just like watch stuff whenever you want and and having that kind of like amount of episodes and that like dedication of time it's like people really feel like they know you yeah yeah I mean and that was at a time too when you know we were making 24 episodes a year you know what I mean like there were I think that there are 85 episodes of ugly Betty which is like You know, now that just doesn't seem, you know, I mean, I don't know. I think that there are probably like, what, 10, 28.

There's like 30-something episodes of hacks. Yeah. Or something like that, like around, around that, you know, 20-something, 30-something episodes. That it's like, you know, we were doing about that in one season. So, like, we were in people's living rooms every single week for like nine months. months. Knock it on the door every Thursday or whatever. No, like literally, like, however long it was, like six months.

Like, it's like, hey, it's Thursday at 8 p.m. Where are you? It's crazy to know. I do feel like hacks is one of, one of the shows, like, in this, like, streaming age, like, you guys are pretty much back on every year around the same time. Like, it's nice to feel like you have that consistency, even if it's like a shorter episode count, that it's like, oh, yeah. like this is the time of year when I like to watch Deborah and Damien and Ava and see what they're

getting up to. And it's fun to like go on the journey over the years with you guys. Oh, for sure. I mean, I also think that, you know, I think that they pack in so much into those eight or 10 episodes. You know what I mean? I mean, there's a lot going on. There's a lot of moving parts. And I love, I love the fast-paced nature of it. You know, I think that, sometimes things can be too drawn out. And I love the way that the, you know, the show moves. The pace of the show is really intriguing to me. I prefer that for me.

My pocket would prefer 24 episodes. But as a viewer, I like the fast-faced nature. You're like HBO Max where let's go back to it. Yeah, like I'm like, what about, you know. Like 13, 14? about like, what do we think about like 10 seasons, you know? Look, I mean, you guys are renewed for season five. It's, you never know.

I mean, you know, we'll see. You had such a great episode in the, in the middle of this season, the I Love L.A. episode when Deborah ends up kind of all alone on one of her big nights and Damien, her assistant is the only person she can think of to call. That was, what was it like kind of reading the script for that episode, like thinking about it? and then like getting to shoot it with with jean well first of all it was really exciting because um one of our fantastic writers and a friend of mine pat reagan wrote that episode and pat is one of my favorite comedians he's an incredible writer and really i think probably the best voice for damien and i think that that was um really really exciting uh knowing that he wrote it and the jokes and and

And that scene, the dinner scene, when you see Damien and Deborah sitting at the dinner table, that was my first scene of the fourth season. That was the first thing that I shot. So that was nerve-wracking, you know? It's like, we haven't been on in a minute. Like, you know, you're getting your sea legs back. And then to have to do a big scene like that where I don't normally have to do that. Like, I kind of just come in and I say my little snarky comment or whatever and walk away.

But, I mean, it's, it makes it, it's easy to, like, knowing that, like, Paul directed that, Paul Downs directed that episode. And Lucci and Jen are always there. And so that's, like, a really safe space. And also, you know, Gene has become, like, my friend, you know. And I think that, I think that Gene gets a kick out of me. I think that she thinks that I'm funny. So I felt like it was easy, but it was nerve. I feel like the only nerves that I felt were just on myself to perform.

Not that anyone else thought that, like, I was out of my depth or anything like that. I think, like, what you were saying about how the show moves at such a fast pace, it's like, most of the time your character is kind of caught up in the, like, oh, there's scrambling to, you know, satisfy Deborah. there's something going wrong. And so almost when you have a scene or an episode like that where the pace kind of slows down and you have more of like an extended moment with those characters, it feels more impactful in a way.

Sure. I mean, it was also, you know, you've gotten these little nuggets over the last three seasons of like who Damien is, right? And I think that that episode is just another kind of, another clue into who he is. And I've said this before, but I do kind of love him being

kind of a little bit of an enigma. Like I kind of like not knowing so much about like everything about him. Because I think that that lends itself, at least for me as an actor and playing this character to focus in on what it is that, what is his intention, what is his directive? And his directive is to be good at his job, no matter what it is.

Like going to dinner with Debra is not because he wanted to. It's because he was summoned to do so. And so I think that knowing as little as possible about him is kind of helpful for me in playing him, I guess, if that makes sense. So good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom Rack stores now and up to 60% off. Stock up and save on the brands you love like Vince, Sam Edelman, Frame, and Free People.

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housewife? Honestly, that's tough because I feel like I would rather work for Deborah. I would rather work for Deborah. I don't really want to do like, I don't really want to be dealing with like shoe dazzle. You know what I mean? That's tough. Yeah, it's like Debra has a lot going on, but at the end of the day, it's pretty like high level stuff. She's a big star and she has a plane. Yeah. No, some of the assistant work that we see on Bravo is really just, it makes my soul hurt a little bit because it's like, just imagining like chasing around Sutton's track being your full-time job. But also, honestly, can I just be so for real that like I have kind of like appropriated. I don't know if you could tell in hacks, but I kind of like appropriated some obvi. Look, you have to do your research. You have to pull from... I was like, it's a mix between Avi and then Gary from Veep.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like, that's kind of what I'm working with over here. I think at the end of the day, like, Avi seems like he's mentally in a better place than Gary, but, like, it's... You never know what's under the surface. I don't know. I don't think he's treated very well. I don't think that he's treated well at all. The other one that came to mind for me was Jen Shaw's partner or assistant Stewart, who literally went to prison for her.

So, you know, it's a fun line of work to be in. I feel like Salt Lake is going to end soon. Really? I don't think any of them can get along. Like, Lisa Barlow asking for $2 million an episode. You're joking. You're joking. Yeah, I don't know. You're joking.

I... And Meredith being a DJ now, everyone needs... No, guys, we need to calm down. Like, Meredith, did you see her pride performance? I did, I did. Not a soul in sight was moving. Can I tell you? So earlier this week, I went to the premier party for NextGen NYC that, like, Housewives

Kids show. we don't have to talk about it. No, we can. Meredith was there because of Brooks, and then Drew Sedora dropped by because she happened to be in town. Okay. I was watching as they were taking a photo together,

and Meredith says to Drew that she's started DJing, and Drew's face lights up, and she's like, oh my gosh, we have to do something together. And, like, that is just to me, like, the perfect. crystallization of what it is to live in the fantasy world of being a housewife? It's called, it's not fantasy, it's delusion.

That it's like, no, Drew. You are not a DJ, ma'am. The idea of, like, Drew and Meredith getting in the studio together. I mean, honestly, Drew will get in the studio with anyone. She was with Dennis. So, she'll get in the studio with the hot dog, man. Why not Meredith? Yeah, Meredith's going to be laying down,

those tracks and... Laying down what tracks. Like, I just need to know. Like, what... Who has she outsourced this to? Because is the caviar not selling, dear? Yeah, the caviar is an interesting little aside. Is the caviar not selling?

Because I know no one's buying your jewelry. Like, can we just be so for real? Like, I'm sorry. The Meredith... I mean, and Drew, honestly, like, Drew, you know what? I'm not the, you know, I'm not the biggest Drusadora fan. However, I can respect her hustle.

I agree. Do you know what I mean? I can respect her hustle of like trying to make something happen. Meredith is like seven clonopin away from completely passing out. So I don't think that Meredith knows where she is. Yeah, it's going to be interesting on Salt Lake this season. Like I feel like they have set the bar for themselves so high. but then it's like almost like where do you go from there?

Like if you're if you're still, if we're still believing that you're like real people on some level, like at a certain point. And I need Heather to stop talking about Mormonism. Okay. We've got to knock that off too. We've got to get a new thing. We've got to get a new thing because this,

this like Mormon, ex-Morman mother type, it's not working for me anymore. Well, I think it's like now, at first it was kind of novel. And then now she's written two books about it. And also we have secret lives of Mormon wives, which I don't know if you've watched, but it's like it is such a specific microcosm. Whereas housewives now almost feels like, oh, no, that's not really what this show is about. Right.

But we can't be getting at like the, I'm tired of in that franchise particularly. Like, the whole show can't be about like their religion. Do you know what I know that that's where it started. Right, right, right. It's tired. Like now we know you guys. We know the interpersonal relationships. Like, make something else happen.

Fight about something else. I've always felt like if they want the religion to be a part of Salt Lake City, then we need to deal with Mary's Church. Because that kind of was like, yeah, that's the most diabolical one of all. It was like that seemed like it was going to be a storyline for a minute. and then she left and came back and nobody cares anymore. And I'm like, okay, like, I would still like to know the answers. I would like to have some answers.

I also, if I hear the word bathtub next season, we're going to have a big fucking problem. I'm so off the Meredith train, as you can probably tell. You really are. Wow. I'm so, I'm off Meredith. And I've obviously been off Kyle Richards, as you could tell from my, uh, my watch what happens live appearances. Andy literally last time was like, okay, you like hate her.

And I was like, I've never met her, but I just know that she is not my people. The funny thing about Andy is that it's like he, he will like express an opinion up to a point. But then his kind of like corporate side kicks in. And it's like, oh, wait, like I can't like laugh at you talking shit about Kyle Richard. He fucking loves it. He loves it. Yeah, if there's one thing Kyle's going to do, it's Catch Astray from Mark and Delacado. Oh, yes, and I will continue.

Yeah. I will continue on. What is her, like, greatest sin in your eyes? That she purports herself to be so honest when she's the most dishonest person in the Housewives universe. She's a liar. Yeah, the open and honest thing has really worn one thing. And also, not for nothing. weirdly veiled homophobia going on.

Why can't you just say that you're fucking a woman? Who cares? We live in Los Angeles in 2025. Why is it such a sin to be, like, or bicurious, or a lesbian? Why is that such a sin? Why are you, like, beating around the bush so much? Like, it's weird. Yeah, I don't know about, Beverly Hills, I think, has some work to do.

They've got a... I mean, we've got to... I'm also, yeah, I'm tired of, I mean, Bose has to go. Oh, really? Has to go. What, okay, I'm curious, what is something that you're feeling optimistic about these days? Optimistic in the Housewives universe? Sure, yeah.

What I'm feeling optimistic about, yeah, this has been so negative. I'm like, let's find something to celebrate. Oh, no, no. I mean, listen, here's the thing. I love talking about these women because even if I really have strong opinions about them, I'm watching. Like, I'm tuning in. Yeah.

And also, like, that's, like, kind of the name of the game. Like, I'm optimistic about the fact that they're coming back. You know what I mean? Like, and I have my opinions, but I also enjoy watching them. Like, I really do. It is truly in such a diabolical way, therapeutic for me. I need to see them. I mean, I'm, I'm very, very optimistic about this Rhode Island franchise.

Okay. I'm optimistic because when Salt Lake City was announced, I was like, why are we going to Salt Lake City? Like, why are we, you know, like, what's going on there? And then, of course, the first season was, like, one of the greatest first seasons of a franchise that we've ever seen. And so I'm optimistic about Rhode Island. because it seems so incongruous.

Like, why are we going to Rhode Island? I know what you mean. But Newport is like, but it's giving money, though. And that's what I also like to see. I like when the girls are rich. You know what I mean? Like, that's what, that is the one thing that I will say about Beverly Hills is that they're like rich, rich.

Yeah. I've enjoyed that about Miami since it came back to that it's like, okay, I don't, I feel like for the most part. the money's in the right place. I mean, I'm also, by the way, Miami, chef's kiss. Yeah, she's coming back. A favorite of mine. She's back.

And I got, and I got, you know, I actually got Hannah Imbinder into the housewives via Miami. Hannah only watches Miami, but she is very, very, very into Miami. I was going to ask if anyone else on Hacks is like a housewives lover. Um, no. I, I just basically like, you know, I'm Binder is one of my best friends, and so, like, it's kind of, and, like, the Housewives are a little bit of, like, my personality, mostly. Right.

So she had really no choice to be able to, like, communicate with me. And she started watching Miami and was like, wait, I love Miami. Miami is a good, I think, sort of, like, an underrated, like, sideways into the Housewives universe, because it's, like, it has those classic early seasons, but it also came back and is very fresh and fun. And it's funny and it's dramatic. Yeah. I prefer the reboot of it. Yeah. I prefer, like, versus the first, like, the Joanna, like, all of that nonsense.

I, because I was kind of off it. And then it came back and I was like, all right, we've got new girls, like, new blood. And then some returning. You know what I mean? Like, so there's familiar faces, which is what I wish that they would have done to New York. I wish I would have kept at least, like, one or two. of the girls and then brought in new blood. Yeah.

And that's why I think that New York has failed. Yeah, I think they're, I think they've realized that the full reboot is like harder to pull off than they thought it would be. Especially like when you're calling it the same thing. Like I saw something recently where someone was like, if they called it a different name than like the real housewives of New York City, I think that people would have been a little bit more inclined to like accept it as something different. Yes.

But like I'm sorry like there is no at this juncture. There is no real housewives of New York City without Ramona, Luann, and Sonia. Yeah. Like some combination. Yeah. I just I don't know. Like I just I just I just and listen, they're not like necessarily like my favorite people. Like but I don't need to hang out with them.

I want to see them on TV. Like, I want to see Sonia falling. I showed my fiancé David the Miami episode where Sonia falls off the table. Yes. And then you're a sicko. You're sicko for cabaret. The cabaret. David was like, oh, my God.

I've just been showing him like the most chaotic episodes. Like, I showed him the episode last night of when Teresa and Jacqueline chased Danielle out of the country club and Ashley ripped out her hair. So I've only been showing him like really like drama, drama, drama ones. And I'm like, there's some filler in here. Right. It's like exposure therapy. It's like you have to get the worst of it out of the way.

Yeah. Like you get to know them. It's just like you just, I need to get like him enticed. Right. It's like, okay. So first we're going to watch Jen Chott getting arrested and then we can work backwards. I haven't showed him that one yet. Great suggestion.

Okay. I've been doing, I think that I'm going to go table flip next. Yes. Because he's met Teresa and Danielle. I think it's important to under, to give someone the background of like, there was a time in 2009 when this was like the center of pop culture in a way where like, yes. I wasn't watching Housewives when I was 15, but I knew about the table flip because I was like a gay child who loved the internet. Everyone knew. Everyone knew about the table flip.

That was, that was culture. I was watching, you know, like, on like Chelsea lately when they were doing housewives skits. It's like that was the funniest thing in the world to me. Even if I didn't watch the show. Or like the soup or something like that. Like, it was like very that energy. Yeah. Okay.

I mean, you and David are going to be busy. You've got a long list. Oh, oh, no, no. We're locked in. Meanwhile, I'm telling you that this is a man that, like, loves, like, obscure. old French films. So this is, and I was like, well, this is my art. Well, you know, a little bit of both. Balance is key. Yeah, that's right. Meanwhile, it's like, what do you want to watch tonight? I'm like, ooh, there's a great episode of New Jersey you need to see. Like, we're not really, we're not, we're not,

venturing out of the Housewives universe right now. It's like, have you ever heard of, much to his chagrin, I'm sure. Have you ever heard of Shiree Whitfield? Joggers. I love it. Well, I could talk about this all day, but Mark, thank you so much for your time and for chatting. This is so much fun. I'm sorry if I was so negative. I just needed to, I really needed to vent. No, venting is important. I wouldn't have it any other way.

Thanks so much. Thank you so much, guys. Thanks so much to Mark and Delicado. And thank you everyone for listening. Don't forget to rate, review, follow the show. You can watch and subscribe to our Tuesday episodes on YouTube at Always On. Have a great weekend. And until next time, be cool.

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