Mention It All - Miami Matrix Meltdown (RHOP)

Episode Date: November 21, 2022

Dylan kicks off the holiday week with some breaking news items, from which Bravolebs are leaving Twitter, to which heartthrob celebs Shep Rose thinks are ugly. Then, he unpacks a hectic Miami episode of RHOP, where things get out of hand at Peter Thomas’ beloved Bar One. Wendy and Mia’s altercation leaves the group divided, but who’s more wrong?Check out our latest promo codes here: https://betches.com/promos Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It is just me today. We're going to talk about Potomac. What an episode, this Miami trip. Jesus Lord, help us. Before that, we have some news to get to from over the week. weekend. First of all, Meredith Marks has departed Twitter. We're seeing a lot of a lot of chatter about the state of Twitter, of course, if you've, you know, I don't need to tell you what's going on in like world news and politics. But Twitter's a dumpster fire. Meredith posted a statement in her

classic gray background with the pink text. And she, you know, given the recent fundamental changes to this platform, she does not agree with the self-interested only. her's beliefs. I basically shouldn't like that Trump was being let back on Twitter, which, you know, girl, same. So she sent this message. A Jen shot quote tweeted it, said, I agree with you, Meredith. Everything you said. Peace out, Twitter. Meredith has since deactivated her account, so you can't even read this statement on, you know, her account literally just says something went wrong. Jen, no deactivation. And then interesting, Jenna Lyons from the new New York cast also posted on Instagram. She said, account closed. No need to open. You scare me. So, yeah. This Twitter

situation, man, I have mixed feelings in large part because Housewives tweeting along with their shows has been such a, such a staple of the Bravo experience and the Bravo, you know, being somebody who is, I would say, extremely online. And, And somebody who's very plugged into social media, of course, you know, it's my job. But also, I'm just, I can't look away. The idea that housewives aren't going to be able to tweet and tweet at each other and react to the other ones tweet, it's just, we're really at a turning point in history. And, you know, do we go somewhere else?

do we bring back the Bravo blogs? Do we start getting messier on Instagram? I'm not downloading. People are like Mastodon, Hive. There are all of these Twitter alternative platforms that are just like cropping up out of the ground like whackamol. And maybe they're great. But I don't want another thing. Does that make sense?

Like I just feel like we have been. over the last 15 years, let's say, on such a hamster wheel of social media, and there have been so many different platforms, we were on, I didn't, I never was MySpace. I'm a little, I'm a wee bit young for the MySpace, but Facebook was so big. And then Instagram, Twitter, there was the Snapchat moment. That was its own thing. Tumblr was big for a while. LinkedIn?

Do the Housewives start using LinkedIn? That could be fun. But I feel like I, TikTok. Oh my God, TikTok. Maybe the housewives will get more on TikTok. But TikTok and Twitter aren't like comparable at all. I don't know. I just feel like I can't have another.

I can't learn another thing. I feel old. I feel tired. But at the same time, I still want the content. I still want, I'm looking at a screenshot right now of that icon. make Candice tweet, where is your income, Roach? You laid on your back to get the $2 you do get. I bin had jobs while you turn tricks to pay your mama's rent. Don't come for me. You won't win. Where is that going to live once Twitter is gone? Candice, you're a disaster on LinkedIn.

Like, what is the... I don't know. I'm having mixed feelings. Anyway, that's happening. Meanwhile, also on Twitter. See, we can't lose Twitter because where else is Shep Rose gonna call Harry Stiles and Pete Davidson ugly? He quote tweeted this chicks in the office thing that has a picture of Pete and Harry. Not together.

Just like pictures, photos of them. Guess I'm an old fucker. But I feel like if I walk into a room and these two guys are there looking like this, I have zero anxiety about trying to get the girl. I mean zero. I know their resume is impressive. but shrug emoji, strip away the celebrity for a second and consider it.

Shepard, please. I mean, dude, this is a man who is in his 40s getting on Elon Musk's Twitter and claiming that he doesn't understand why people think that these two men have something to offer and he thinks he has more to offer. The thing is, Shep, I was talking to Sam Bush about this this morning. Shep is, to me, representative of a whole generation, but it's not just an age thing. It's like a whole generation and class of straight white men who think that their kind of version of masculinity, toxic masculinity, one might say, is the, universal ideal of what it is to be a man and that their their type of attractiveness is the type

of attractiveness that everyone should and does aspire to and who think that their masculine vibe is what every man should be striving for. Yeah, all of that. So he's like, I mean, I just can't fathom that a chick would go for a dude with bleached hair wearing a necklace when I'm here being tall and wearing a button down. What's up with that? Can I get an amen? Ladies, right? And all of us are just sitting here like, you have missed the boat on so many moments of moving forward in the cultural conversation, in the in the zeitgeist, in our societal norms of how we talk about and think about things. Like the fact that it is nearly 2023 and you're in your home.

in your, again, 40s, 40s, tweeting about how you think Harry Styles is no competition for you. Like, honestly, it is bleak in this moment. And I like Shep sometimes. You know, if you are a dedicated listener of this podcast, you may recall this season of Southern Charm, I spent like five minutes dissociating on an episode, because I found out that Sheprose was six foot five, and my dumb little brain about how to meltdown because I was like, fuck, Shep is six foot five?

What does that mean? But not in a way that makes him more attractive than two of the most desired men, celebrity, famous people on the planet. And yes, they are a specific look. a specific type, you might say. That's not for everyone. But clearly it's working for enough people. Their resume is impressive.

It's like, yeah, Shep, let me know when you're like engaged to Ariana Grande and then dating Kate Beckinsale and then dating who was after that? More people. Kim Kardashian. Shep Rose fucking wishes. is he could pull Kim Kardashian. And not even because Kim is like the most ideal person on the planet, but just in, she would never in a million, billion fucking light years,

give Shepros a second look. That's not happening. He's not coming to the Met Gala with her. Be fucking for real. Okay. Why do I let myself talk about Shepros? I... Let's move on.

The last little bit of news I want to talk about before I get into Potomac is also Southern Charm-related, and that is that Madison LaCroy is a married lady. She and Brett had a wedding in Mexico over the weekend. It was apparently quite small, quite intimate. I'm not sure if anybody else from the show was there. Brett's wearing a beige suit.

Madison is wearing what looks to be a short-sleeve wedding dress, which, oh, cap sleeve maybe? I don't know. I need some better photos. She looks very pretty, of course, but TBD on the dress. They were in Riviera Maya. Her son was there. Her son is 10 years old.

I, such a cutie. Congrats to them. I feel like, oh, none of their co-stars were in attendance. Okay. I don't know. I love Madison. in like a TV show context, but I feel like we're not going to get to see any of this. So I'm kind of a little bit like, who cares?

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Potomac, Potomac. This entire episode takes place over the course of like maybe three hours in Miami because when we, when we start the episode, people are getting ready for dinner. And then we just go to dinner. And even by basically the very end of the episode, they're sitting at dinner and the waiters are just now bringing the food. So it's not even like a whole ass night that they're sitting at the restaurant. It's like they've not even gotten their food yet. And things have been to hell in a handbasket. But before we get ahead of ourselves, there's a lot going on.

Ashley is talking to Robin and Giselle about her Michael situation, her house situation. She put another offer. The timeline didn't make sense. She withdrew the offer. She says that Michael is getting more and more difficult to deal with. And she's like, I don't know what's going on. And it's like, Ashley, my dear, I think that you do know what's going on. I think, and, you know, they point this out to her that it's like they, Michael probably

thought on some level that this was going to be a temporary thing. Ashley was going to change her mind. He doesn't want to be solo daddy. You know, like, he doesn't want to be raising children in the way that he is going to have to raise children if they have some kind of shared custody thing. Like, he might, he's probably happy to, he's probably happy to have the babies. But like, he doesn't want to be changing the diapers. He doesn't want to be getting dinner on the table. Of course, he's getting more difficult to deal with.

I hope for Ashley's sake. I mean, this house thing is clearly a mess. I don't want her to buy a house with him, but it does seem like she needs to get some distance between the two of them because the fact that they're still living in that same condo together, it just is not, it can't be the best thing, really for anyone in that situation, but particularly for her.

You got to get your shit, you know, in order. Meanwhile, as Giselle can hear the toilet water through the pipes, anytime someone flushes above her. God, this house is so funny. We see Cherise calling the fina trying to get a room. Mia's like, good luck, bitch. You're not going to get a room anywhere. Why do you think we're in this house? Mia's friend Jacqueline, which like the vibes are getting a little weird there,

Jacqueline is asking Mia to borrow every toilet tree imaginable under the sun. It's like, oh, I need the toothpaste. Oh, I need the deodorant. Oh, I need the cream. I need the toenail clippers. And, okay, the thing is, like, yes, this is annoying. But Mia, Mia seems to have a little bit of a problem with Miss Jacqueline. And that's something that I feel we need to unpack a little more.

You know, she's being rude to her in the car. She's being rude to her at dinner later. Jacqueline says when Mia leaves the table that she's maybe her only friend who doesn't kind of just go along. with everything that she has going on in her world. Of course, she's not talking about the women on the show as Mia's friends. She's talking about whatever other friend group they have. And, you know, I got to say, Mia does not seem like somebody who would be super easy, breezy to be friends with.

She clearly lives for the drama a little bit. She kind of goes anyway, the wind blows. I saw Ray Sonny tweet that. It's like, she really just, uh, she'll, really just blow any which way, huh? And yeah, which makes her exciting and entertaining to watch, but then also so it's a frustrating quality sometimes to watch. And I can't even fathom being friends with somebody like that, where it's, it just feels

like it's hard to really get any sort of concrete commitments out of her. But then the other thing is the Sharise and Karen of it all is, is still festering. So Charisse at Karen's spring party had, you know, suggested that they go to lunch and kind of talk through things. And Karen was theoretically open to it. But Charisse hasn't followed up. So now there's this weirdness.

And in the car on the way to dinner, Mia tells Karen that she actually feels like she's coming around to her side and that she might be right about Charisse having some, some ulterior motive and not coming from a good place. it's all a little weird. And we'll get more into it. But they arrive at Bar 1, Miami. Of course, Peter Thomas's establishment. And Wendy's getting out of the car and being like, well, well, well, look where we are.

This is a perfect coincidence that we are eating at Peter Thomas's establishment. I'm like, babe, it's not a coincidence. It's literally not. The producers are... The producers are producing. Mia knows what she's doing. Peter knows what he's doing. Maybe it's not a coincidence.

If Wendy genuinely thinks this is a coincidence, then she's not as smart as I thought she was. But I don't think anybody really thinks this is a coincidence. It is weird, though, because then later when when Mia talks to Peter and is kind of digging into what Peter's issues are with Wendy, first of all, there's this question about a contract. Peter says that he sent Wendy a contract. She didn't get back to him. Wendy's version of events, at least to the confessional, is that she actually had asked him to do a site visit and then he never really followed up.

So there's a little bit of a he said, she said going on about the actual status of the business deal. But Peter also says that part of the reason he's pissed at Wendy is because she's coming in town, coming to his spot at Bar One, and didn't holler at him, like didn't let him know that she was coming, any of that. But then if you back up to what I was just talking about, Wendy, at least on the show, appeared not to know that they were going to Bar One or also that Peter would be there. So, like, I would like a little more clarity there because if Wendy knew that she was seeing Peter and, like, didn't say anything, then that would be a little range, maybe. But I'm not sure that's the case. And also, like Wendy says, when she's talking to Mia,

she's like, I don't need to check in with a random man who I have some dealings with. We're not in a relationship. We're not close friends. I don't owe him any kind of heads up or anything like that, which I kind of get. I think this season I haven't been feeling Wendy as much. I think she's been kind of falling flat in some of her arguments. It's a little bit of some of her stuff. It's not giving what she thinks it's giving, that kind of vibe. But in this situation, I'm like, yeah, I think Wendy is more right than Mia throughout this dinner.

because I think Mia is just, she's getting really involved in something that doesn't quite concern her. You know, there's, it's all tied in with this thing of Cherise and Karen and Wendy calls Mia out for saying in the car that she understands why Karen doesn't fuck with Charisse. And Charisse is kind of like, hold up what happened there? because, you know, Wendy had previously said that maybe Cherise isn't coming from a good place, but Mia had been more on her side. Wendy asked Cherise if she's scared of Karen. God, I love Cherise. They're talking about the theatrical reaction to the room situation.

It's like, well, I need a bathroom. I have to have the thing. And, you know, Robin defends Cherise's theatrical reaction, saying she didn't have a bathroom anywhere. I mean, it's a lot. But basically I think Karen and Cherise don't really want to be friends with each other. But I do think that Cherise knows that having an ongoing thread with Karen is helpful for her in being back on the show. And so it's not in Sharise's best interest to just be like, yeah, Karen and I don't really fuck with each other. And that's that. And let's move on. she's going to kind of keep poking the bear where Karen looks like she would, you know,

she would chop off her own finger if she never had to talk to Charisse again. She doesn't even want to talk about the issues. She's starting to sing happy birthday to herself to avoid it. God, I love Karen. She's obsessed with the fact that she's turning 59. I love that for her. She looks amazing. Congratulations.

But Cherise and Karen, their issue is a separate thing. But what really boils over is Mia and Wendy. And after Mia has her little shit talking session with Peter, she comes back to the table. She tells Wendy that Peter said he had beef with her.

Wendy's like, you know, says the thing about the site visit. She's like, I don't, I'm not checking for him. I don't hear from him. When Mia says that Wendy should be respectful, that Peter, that she could be Peter's mentee. Like, who the, no. Nobody here needs Peter Thomas as their mentor.

Like, Peter might be the best businessman in the world. He has all, bars, lounges, whatever. No. No, no, no. Find someone else. Peter Thomas, I wish him all the best. I'm sure he's a great guy. Sometimes. But no, we're not, we're not entering into a mentor-mente relationship with Peter Thomas.

Wendy's like, me, is like, that's family. You know, you support family. And it's like, okay. Great. It's not Wendy's family. Jesus. But yeah, I mean, basically they just start kind of escalating, escalating between each other. Wendy's throwing out stuff about Mia's marriage, maybe suggesting that she's fucking Peter Thomas, which again, came out of nowhere. There's, you know, I don't talk to my, I don't, you know, talk to my husband, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's really just kind of like boiling, boiling, boiling. And then Mia just kind of dumps her drink on Wendy. A little bit out of nowhere. It's just, I mean, great TV, great TV. I enjoyed this episode, but it's one of those things where watching it, you're like, no, don't do that.

Because then the entire rest of the dinner is just kind of fallout. It's spiraling. There's shrapnel in the air. Everybody in the group has to choose aside, figure out how to react. It's bad. And it's also just strange to me to see who feels. which type of way, because what we have here is Ashley is saying it's never okay to throw a drink and that she likes Mia, but that's not okay. I think that is, I think Ashley has the most kind of

common sense rational reaction to what's happening. Probably they're both a little wrong, but throwing the drink is a, is, you know, the biggest problem. Karen is sort of, Sort of similar, you know, trying to stay in the middle. She's been more on Mia's side, but she's like, you know, I didn't like the way you threw the drink. But Mia, because she thinks of Karen as like her bestie, is so offended that Karen is taking Wendy's side all of a sudden, which it's like, okay, if Mia wants to feel that way, whatever. Ready to soundtrack your summer? With Red Bull Summer All Day Play, you choose a playlist that fits your summer vibe the best. Are you a festival fanatic?

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and then the actual camera cruise version of events. Personally, I feel like if I was on one of these shows, I would love to record stuff myself because she says, you know, we're not going to get the she said, she said, she said, we're going to get the real version of events. And I think what we forget sometimes watching these shows is that they can't just roll the footage back on what they said or what somebody else said. You know, they film, they go to their confessionals. they don't see the footage until shortly before it airs on TV. You know, they're getting the episodes ahead a little bit, but not while they're filming. So if you're having an argument with somebody, especially if you're intoxicated, you're not going to have the record of exactly what was said, exactly who did what,

who threw the drink when, who put their hand on another, you know, you're not going to have all of that evidence to go off of and move. and move forward from. So I respect Robin's filming. What I'm not feeling so much is that Robin thinks this is all Wendy's fault. And she is shouting at Wendy that she's antagonizing, antagonizing, antagonizing. She says it over and over again. She's like, it just is, it's tough. Because I think, Of course, of course, some of the stuff that Wendy was saying wasn't great. The stuff about her husband, about throwing out there a thing of Mia fucking Peter, that's not real. Wendy at the end of the episode said as much that she's just saying shit.

It's not, she's not starting a rumor. She's not, she didn't hear anything. It's just a thing to say to provoke a reaction. Which isn't great. But the thing is, Mia still gave her the reaction. You know, Mia, and she says that too. She says, she got exactly what she wanted for me. She wins.

The thing is, I feel like it's a little disingenuous to say, well, if you didn't want the drink throne, if you didn't want the purse thrown at you and the whatever that you shouldn't have said all that stuff. It's like, right, right, right, right, right. But that doesn't mean that it's equal. That doesn't mean that it's okay. And the way that Giselle and Robin are kind of rushing to Mia's defense, it does feel a little bit strange. And like, if they weren't already turned off to Wendy this season, that I don't think they would be reacting the same way.

I think they're simply going off of who they like more in this situation. And it's a little frustrating because Robin is riding so hard for Mia. And it's like, you could be kind of neutral. I mean, Ashley and Karen, I think, are doing a fine job of sort of trying to be rational and neutral. But with Robin, it's like, why are we doing this? It's tough. I don't know. I don't know about Mia, or about Wendy comparing the situation to what happened with Monique and Candice.

It feels a little bit of a stretch. Whatever. He to the moment, I don't know. But she's not wrong that in that situation, it was so quickly closing ranks around Candice and isolating Monique and, you know, taking her to task for what she had done. done. And Jazeel in particular, but Jocel and Robin were both so on the train for that. And so with this, it's a little bit like, okay, where's that same energy now? And I don't know.

I mean, we'll see how it goes after this night. I'm not sure what to expect. I mean, Wendy, Wendy's obviously really heated. I get that. Mia is saying she's going to leave. She's calling Gordon, get her a flight. She doesn't want to be there. It's tough.

Her nail is bleeding. But the thing is, it's like her nail is bleeding, but her nail is bleeding because she popped off, not because Wendy, Wendy didn't, like, break her nail. I don't know. I don't know. When he's like, look at the CEO. Businesswoman, business. woman.

They didn't even get their food yet. I'm looking at my notes because I was like, when did the food come? The food comes after Wendy is yelling, look at the CEO. When Mia starts swinging, she leaves the table for the last time. Then they get the food. Ashley's asking for another glass of wine. She's like, look, I'm going to enjoy my dinner. Everything's good in my world.

Candace isn't here yet. I don't have to deal with that. This fight doesn't involve me. I'm going to have my my shrimp salad and can I get another glass of wine. That, I think we can all aspire to that energy. It's like, nothing to see for me. I'm just having a good time in Miami. This is their first dinner.

Damn. Candace hasn't even arrived. Her flight gets in at like 10 p.m. She's going to be there any minute and she's walking into this. Honestly, Candice arriving at this house is stressful to me because I already feel like Giselle's judgment seems to be in a questionable place

with this Mia and Wendy situation. So I feel like she, I can't imagine her handling things well with Candice. The whole, everybody's talking about this ass-grabbing situation potentially. So Ashley, I didn't bring this up, but so they're talking about these rumors swirling about Chris Bassett.

Apparently everybody else remembers Ashley claiming that her friend's ass was grabbed by Chris. Ashley doesn't remember saying this. She's like, no, he was leaning on the bar. I don't know. But that's not going to be good because you know it's going to get back to Candice. Oh, I'm stressed. I'm stressed. I'm stressed. But, you know, nevertheless, I'll persist. You know, what a time to be alive. Oh my God, the editors, but the last, the, the matrix sequence that they put together.

So artful, artistic. These editors, man, Potomac editors really get the job done in the trenches, week after week. And thank God for that. Thank God. Thank you so much for listening. We'll be back tomorrow. Tomorrow we have an interview with Corey from Winterhouse, which is really fun. And then we are going to be off for the rest of the week.

So we'll be back next week with all things, Potomac, Salt Lake City. You know, just lots going on. But in the meantime, thank you for listening. Don't forget to rate, review, and follow the show wherever you listen. You can follow us on Instagram at Bravo by Betches. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Mention It All is produced by Dylan Hafer, Sean Kilby, Jorge Morales Pico, and Rebecca Sousmacat.

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