Mention It All - Midnight Emails & Magic Hormones Ft. Ryan Bailey

Episode Date: October 19, 2023

Dylan is back in the studio with Ryan Bailey, and they kick things off with some big news about Kim and Kroy’s divorce—who pays alimony if no one is making money? Then, they break down an extended RHOBH teaser that features Dorit’s vision quest, Rinna’s resignation email, and Erika’s miracle menopause weight loss. Later, they recap the social media updates to Angie and Monica’s feud, and why Monica’s mom isn’t doing herself any favors. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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A Bravo by Betches podcast We don't say that But now we said it With me, Dylan Hafer We're going to check me both Hey everyone Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast

I am Dylan Hafer And I am excited Once again To have in the studio Always a pleasure The great Ryan Bailey I am so excited to be here again This is my home away from home now

Your podcast It really is I mean you're I'm so sorry to you and your audience and said this is now where I set up shop. You're in the stew more than I am. I love being in the stew. I feel like I'm actually like a recording artist, like Usher or something.

Okay. Are you doing, what would your Super Bowl halftime show? I would literally pull out all the Bravo Lebrides. I would even get Erica Jane. I would let Sandoval come in. I would even have Kin started. I would like, did you know some sans-souca. And then it would be fireworks and then the halftime show would start.

Wait, speaking of Kim Zulsiak, did you see. the news this week that she has finally filed or responded or whatever the terminology is, she's like hit back in the divorce. Yeah. She says, well, she wants to stay in the house even though the house is now up for sale. So the house was just listed a few days ago, the fucking saga of this house. It's got to be more haunted than Kim and Kanye's place at this point. Is it foreclosed?

Is it not foreclosed? Are we staying? Are we selling? Are we, you know, happily together in this house? Is it a, you know, haunted mansion of despair? What do they do for Halloween this year? Do they just like, we're not putting up decorations because the vibe is just haunted at this point. Riel!

Rial! Kids are there. Don't give them the full-sized candy bars this year. We can't afford it. Oh, this Lossack household is definitely on the fun-sized candy bars. But so Kim filed or like responded to Crois filing. And so she's requesting full custody of the kids. And then she's also requesting both 10. Temporary and permanent.

I'm assuming this is like divorce terminology. Temporary and permanent, both alimony and child support. What's funny is that Croy is also requesting alimony and child support. And the funny thing about alimony is it's like, one of you has to be making the money. Yeah, I don't think either of them are making any money at this point. So where would the alimony come from? Right. Like I understand child support.

Whoever gets the custody is, you know, child support flows. you know, one direction or the other. But alimony, it's like the implication there is that one of them would be making money to support the other. And like, it's very like, they're like pointing at each other. Does Croix have, Corey has a retirement fund with the NFL, right? Like, I think he does. But I think they're like pension.

Yeah, exactly. Pension. Does Bravo have a housewife's pension at all? And by the way, if they don't, please do know. I bet Bethany Frankel is on the way. I'd be like, well, I wasn't Kim at her little Avengers dinner the other night. Geez. Look, I don't think that Bravo does 401K matching for the on-screen talent.

What if they do but no housewife ever takes it because they just want the money now? They're like, no, I need the money now. That actually would be so funny if that was like, oh, yeah, like, we offer the 401K, but like, no one's ever set it up. We match it times point five. We actually go above what you match. Nobody ever takes it. Yeah. The only person that took it was like Raquel.

Like she's the only smart one out of everybody. Okay. The artist formally noticed. Giving her a lot of credit there. But this Kevin Corey thing, I just, it's like, what is the end game here? You know, I hope the kids are doing, you know, shielded from this, but it's like. There's no way that they can be shielded from this, I feel, because their lives have been lived so much on TV. They're selling the house for $6.1 million, which I feel like a lot of us should just pitch in.

Like, if we just like, wouldn't that be a great time share for Bravo? fans? I know next to nothing about Atlanta real estate, but I have a feeling that they're not going to get that $6 million for the house. This is like the selling sunset episode I want to see, like a special episode of like unloading this house. I just can't imagine that they're being like really grounded and realistic about this house sale. Like I, to me, it seems like a Sonia's townhouse kind of thing where she's had it on the market like on and off for years. but the price is always like just high enough where it's like, girl, be for real. Because I think at the end of the day, Sonia wants to keep that. Like she's almost, even if it's not subconscious, she wants to price it so nobody will ever buy it so she could always have it to some degree.

Yeah, but also I think she just in her mind, it's like this is what a prime piece of real estate. Where is that by the way? Is that like? It's on, it's in the Upper East Side. It's in the 60. and probably most notably for, you know, sales purposes, it is right next door to a parking garage. Like, perfect.

Like, you know, like if the townhouses, you know, it's like multiple buildings are like, you know, butt up against each other. It's like Sonia's townhouse, if you're looking at it from the street, on the right is like another townhouse on the left is a parking garage. So that's, I mean, I would imagine that some people who have the funds to be really,

discerning about their real estate, maybe wouldn't love that. But also, it just, it needs a lot of work. And I think that Sonia is probably always just kind of like a little bit pie in the sky enough where it's like, yeah, yeah, you're not going to drop the price enough where people are actually going to be. You just got to be really excited though. Like, I'm in New York. I could actually go walk to Sonia's townhouse right now. Oh, you should. Yeah. It's, I mean, it's actually lovely. I think the weather right. We have nice fall weather right now. Go go to Central Park, you know, go take a little walk around. and then you can do a loop where you walk past the regency, you walk past the Sonia's townhouse. You can find the address online, but I...

Wait, can you, is that why they always picked the regency? It was like walkable from Sonia's townhouse? No, I mean, it's a very like, it's, you know, once you're in that space, it's, it's very tight-knit. But Sonia's townhouse, the one time I actually walked past it, it was like February and there were still Christmas decorations up. That's what you want to see. That is exactly the kind of... vibe you want if you walked by any of those places.

Right. I realized that I was in the neighborhood. And so I was like, I'll just pop on over. And I was like, of course, there's still a reef. Love to see it. So good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now and up to 60% off. Stock up and save on the brands you love like Vince, Sam Edelman, frame, and free people. Join the Nordy Club to unlock exclusive discounts, shop new arrivals first, and more.

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we are going to have Real Housewives of Beverly Hills back in our lives. They released the first seven minutes of the season premiere, and it's such an interesting strategy to me when they do this where it's like, oh, like, you can watch the first six and a half like prime minutes.

Yeah, they do that. every week now, like for like Southern Charm and those shows like watch the first seven minutes of. Right. I would love to, I would love to get a peek behind the curtain of what algorithm has determined that this gets people excited. But this seven minutes is a very like, it's interesting because when you watch the actual episode, they play the like season like Super Tease trailer first. So this is like the seven minutes after that. And so it starts not with any like big dramatic like teaser, not with any big like rewind four months earlier like somebody's yeah whatever it starts with just telling pk to put down the chips yeah oh come on mate i was you having a little chip i'm good pk you've two

bags yeah five i was like this pk is still sneaking food what a season i love that it's like if we're gonna have as many like ozempic storylines as we're going to have we need like a pk can't put down the chips storyline to match. I love like last season, it's like Rina battling with the ladies. And this season, it's P.K. battling with cholesterol. But that's, it's relatable to me. No, listen, I watched that and I was like, I kind of got a smile on my face because

I like just banal like little things like that. You know, like, that's relationship to me. And then Doree isn't her like earnest era where she's like, she's like, P.K., you're going to be here to meet Eagle Woman, right? By the way, that was, that is so classic. housewives to immediately have a spiritual advisor come in with the code name of some sort? That was what was funny about this seven minutes to me is that I felt like we had no context for where the group is at, except we desperately need a spiritual healing right off the bat.

And it's funny because as these women are all making their way to the, you know, desolation of Malibu, God forbid. did. It really does feel like Kyle is making it pretty clear she hasn't talked to anybody in months. Erica doesn't seem like she has a friend in the world. Like it, it didn't hit me until I was watching this clip that I'm like, oh yeah. These women like don't really fuck with each other. No. I mean, and I love, I mean, I love thinking about the fact of how, like, DeReed, you know, if this is her idea or production's idea, how do you go about finding Eagle Woman? Like, do you go to the, in the, like, What's the Google search on spiritual advisor?

How did DeRite? Was like an Instagram ad that popped up? Right. Like we didn't we didn't kind of get the the back end work of like did you Google like vision quest? It's very like I'm curious, you know. Ayahuasca. Yeah. I don't want to I don't want to like get into the stuff that happens after this seven minute clip.

But it is like, okay. Like I guess we're back. I guess we're doing it. No, I mean, it was like, it was weirdly kind of just back to normal. And the other thing in the seven minutes I thought was hysterical was the inclusion of Lisa Rina's email to Bravo of like, thanks for the eight years for exclamation points. I will not be renewing my contract. Yeah. I took a screenshot of that.

And this is, so it's reply to someone at NBC Universal. And it's reply, subject line, one more. I will not be renewing my contract. and I will not be coming back to RHOBH. Thank you so much for eight years. Four exclamation points. All the best. Lisa.

Wouldn't that be great if she was actually replying to like an email from Universal Studios? Like, come ride the new Jurassic Park Ride. And Lisa's like, I will not be coming back to, you know, she's just replying back to that to every email she gets. Right. It was like one more. And they're like, one more week of Fright Fest at Six Flags. I will not be returning to real.

Boss, should we forward this to NBC Universal? This is interesting, though, because the choice to show this email, which... I love the, I love the inclusion of this email. Also, the email, September 10th, 2022 at 12.13 a.m. Pacific Daylight Time. She just got done with her night Instagram dancing. So that was, she was like, pressed from that. She put Harry Hamlin to bed, and then she put on her readers and... She's all full of Harry's Bullenazi, ready to, like, rock.

It is, yeah. So I, you like the inclusion of this, but the, the, the mechanics. of it are interesting because the implication would seem to be that the person at NBC is reaching out to her about coming back for exactly more season and she's turning down that offer and I think it is an interesting choice from Bravo to essentially admit that she left by choice and not to because a lot of the time when housewives leave the show it's like they're not renewed Between the lines, their contract wasn't picked up. They were fired at, you know, it can go a lot of different ways.

But I mean, they're kind of giving rid of the benefit of the doubt here. This is interesting because this happened. Now, I read that the Andy Cohen Daddy Diaries book. And it was literally, there was a text exchange supposedly between Andy and Lisa, where Lisa said, I think it's my time to go. And he said, you know what? I think that might be the right idea. But it was a friendly exchange.

So this email was sent. And then BravoCon happened, remember? Right. So she already knew she wasn't coming back at BravoCon when she took that stage. But then the other interesting part is she retracted that email. And at that point, Bravo was like, you know what? Actually, we're good. So that's the other point that actually Andy has said is that she she did this, but then she tried to retract it. And at that point, they had like moved on. Right. It's like, you know. But the door isn't shut all the way, they said, but they had moved on.

And they said, you know, I think it's best for both parties. So it is interesting. She did the first shot, but it's that kind of like boy who cried wolf. Like you got a really. make sure you don't want to be back. Yeah, I do think it's funny that they, they don't, we don't hear Lisa's name in this clip. We just hear Erica say, my friend is gone. My friend is gone. Like, I don't, I don't know.

The whole like Erica, Lisa dynamic duo thing never quite clicked for me. I'm like, I don't, okay, like I guess they're getting along right now, but I feel like it was also an Instagram relationship and the fact that like, we're too baddies. It went bad. Like that kind of like egging each other on kind of even in this last season especially just being not miserable, but just the anger exuded from both parties. They really commiserated with each other in that way. And I felt that was such a negative vibe on top of like the negativity.

That kind of enters housewives on a regular basis already. Yeah. Just kind of amp that up. And so I thought this back to basics kind of episode, I mean, it'll be interesting to see where this goes from here. Right. I think this season, a lot of. of us looking ahead to it have kind of just been like, yeah, I'm like, glad to have the ladies back, but also like, do we think that it's going to be particularly thrilling of a season?

I don't have any indication that it would be, but perhaps I could be surprised. I always bring up sports things when I'm with you, Dylan, but I got to say, this is what this is what my friends talk about when they're like, yeah, it's going to be another season. We're not going to do pretty good or we're not going to do particularly bad. we're just going to survive and it's a building season. I don't know what this is going to be. But the other interesting thing, like you said, that Kyle moment of, you know, you can tell she's not.

I mean, Kyle's on her journey of self-discovery for a lot of different, you know, and that gets brought up at multiple times in this episode. I'm curious how those pieces fall into place with the other ladies and with her own personal life. Right. Kyle's on her, you know, am I single? Am I a lesbian journey? I love getting inked. Eric is on her hormone journey.

And, you know, I know two men can't talk about a woman's hormone journey, but it does, no, it just does confuse me. And I've reached out, and many women have reached out to me saying that, like, I'm trying to understand hormone therapy if there's a possibility because she's like, I want all women to know it. But she's not, it's like dropping your skin care routine. Drop the specific routine if it's going to make you look that amazing. Right. It's like Jennifer Lopez telling you that her secret is olive oil. It's like, okay. Great.

Am I? Trader Joe's olive oil? Am I bathing in it? Like, I don't. Where are you applying the olive oil? Because it's not. No, like, that's the thing. It's like, but I love to read immediately in those first seven minutes.

Hormones. I love that other, I love when they call it out so then we don't look like the jerks. Right. Because that's, I mean, I think that's been the whole thing with Kyle, too, is that it's like, at this point, we are in the, we're in the like, post-backlash phase of Ozempic, I feel like, where it's like enough people have acknowledged that they're taking it, that it's like you can't really be scandalized by every individual person that's doing it. As long as there's a supply for the people that actually need it for their A1C or whatever

the commercials say, as long as that's there, then people should be able to take it if they want. Totally. So it's like it's the kind of thing where now we are in the phase of the discourse where it feels almost more problematic not to admit that you're taking it than to be open about it because like enough people are open. Like when Dolores is like, yeah, I'm taking Ozmpic. It's like, okay, who cares? Well, imagine if it's like I just the cold, hard fear that they must get of like, like,

what if I'm found out? Like, it's not like coming out was in the 80s or 90. Like, I mean, this is not like, if this is your secret shame, find a better secret shame. This is not that horrible. Yeah, I don't, I don't want to talk about it as epic anymore. Study And play.

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I do want to talk about Salt Lake City. Because this week Dude, Monica Yeah, Monica was She was very sweet Take us behind the scenes though What was the vibe? The vibe was good

You know, she was her first So she was on the Yesterday I guess Episode of the show It was her first Press day That she's done for the show Because they've kind of been

Like cycling in One Salt Lake housewife per week Through the New York Press whatever So yeah It was like One of her first real Like interviews like that

She's done Was she nice to you? She was so sweet. So, so sweet. I mean, I think a lot of the time, like, new housewives are just, like, really excited to be doing all of this. Well, and also not excited in a, like, thirsty way, just, like genuinely. Because there is something exciting about coming in and doing stuff like this. The thing with Monica, and especially right now where we are in the season, is that there's some heavy shit that is going on.

Like, the stuff with her mom, I think is really real and really tough for her. both when it was happening during filming and kind of the waves of it that have been happening now as it's airing. But also, I mean, on social media, she is just out. Did you see her mom got into it? Yes. Last night too on? She, she tweeted last night overnight. It's so bad. And Angie Kay is like, there's something with like her fake last name or something. Like, I don't, it just is a little bit like, what are we doing here? But there, okay. Are you up today? The story of Monica apparently falling down the stairs at Angie's house.

So she's been on Twitter. She said, Angie, you are a liar. Be just like you lied about meeting me once. You and I both know the kids were in your basement. You sick POS because Angie said that Monica was basically like fighting in front of her kids. Go get your house up to code. And I'm sending you my ER bill after falling down your basement stairs because you didn't have a railing. almost hit your niece.

You are the biggest freaking asshole. You know damn well what happened. I left your house with bumps, bloody and bruised. I should sue your ass for not having your home to code, you fuck. And let's talk about head injury since I got one at your home on your stairs and had to leave to get a freaking cat scan. You are sick. And let's talk about how everyone called me after finding out I fell down your stairs and went to the ER except you and Lisa. Meredith even tried to send my family meals.

Angie shut the fuck up. After falling down Angie's stairs at Greek Easter because you had no railing. This is a tweet with four photos of her. Yeah, the photos. She's included her. Very bruised leg. The photos are a little much for me. She said, everyone's saying I left my mom?

Yes. Yes, I did. And went straight to the hospital and she knew I fell down the stairs. My convo with her on the couch was after the fall. Why was this staircase fall not part of the storyline? That's my big question. That's almost what I, that's what I wanted to talk to you about. about because I thought maybe you knew because I watched it a second time yesterday thinking that I

might have missed something. Yeah. Because this seems genuinely exciting. How would you not capture a fall if you have cameras there and then her coming back and then getting into the fight, which adds a little more context why she would even be more amped up? But this, I mean, falls are, I mean, housewives in hospitals, that is like, oh, gee, that's Vicki Gunnvillson flipping something in the desert. I mean, that's amazing.

Yeah. So when I talked to Monica, it was the, it was like Tuesday during the day before the episode aired. And so none of this social media stuff had been happening yet. And I had watched the episode, but the fall is, you know, not included. And so I didn't know that that was a factor of it. She didn't bring it up. And so it is kind of strange. Like she's extremely heated about this on social media.

And, you know, if she really, you know, injured her head. and had all these bruises and went to the ER and got a cat scan, like, kind of understandably so. And it is, it's always interesting to see kind of like what does and doesn't make the cut. And I'm, it is kind of, it's weird to think of like, like, right. Like, okay, maybe if it was like the basement stairs, maybe they didn't have a camera there to like watch her fall. But it seems weird that she would be literally injured and then come back up the stairs.

And we would just not see any. commotion, like she's not holding a bag of ice. Like, yeah, I, I truly am confused about that. And it almost now made me want Monica to, like, fall down Carol Radswell stairs. I want to, like, you know, I mean, I did, I am confused about this. And then her mom tweeted this last night, L.D. Millionaire is her Twitter account. Monica begged me to do this reality show with her, begged. I didn't want to do it.

She told me all I had to do was cook and speak Portuguese. How did she return the favor? She did me dirty. Meanwhile, I would never compete with my only child, unless it's sport. I'm too smart to try to go up against Monica. She'd chew me up and spit me out. Lastly, I never abandoned her. I always put her needs above my own, even in her adulthood.

I'm not a perfect human, but I am a devoted mother and bobo. God bless us everyone. And then she hashtagged R-H-O-S-L-C. If your mom hashtags hashtags a housewife show, that's not, that's a... I mean, this is even playing into that. All this mom should say is like, I'm staying out of this. I support my daughter, which she couldn't even do in the episode. Right.

I mean, I think to a certain level, like, yeah, I'm sure Monica was like, hey, mom, I'm doing this show. It would be great if you could participate. Yes. Which is, you know, every person that's ever gotten cast on a reality show where their families involved has had some variation of that conversation. But it is a little bit like, you know that we're watching the show. And Monica's mother does not seem like somebody who is, you know, really wishing that there wouldn't be conflict. Yeah.

Yeah. No, I mean, I mean, the mom, and especially when her eyes lit up at the end, like she, and she's talking to the guys. And, you know, when, uh, Angie said, oh, you are just delightful. And she was like, I am. Like, she was getting off on this. And not that I don't think Monica has her falser issues, but I do tend to empathize, uh, with her. And especially in that mom situation, it's very frustrating to watch somebody get taken in by the lights, the cameras, the other ladies, the wealth of it all.

Do you watch The Bear? Yeah, yeah, definitely. Oh, Jamie Lee Curtis? It's a little bit that the Christmas episode of Jamie Lee Curtis. If you haven't watched The Bear, first of all, it's a great show. I recommend it. But it's like watching for the majority of the episode, this woman be so kind of like, you know, outside of herself and just, you know, really fucked up, honestly.

Yeah. And then there's that like moment. where suddenly like things just clear up and she's like the most charismatic, the most lovely version, like making sure, like telling the right joke, making sure everybody has a good time. And the moment in the episode when Monica went away and her mom just kind of like put on a show for everyone, it's like that is. I mean, she sits down with the guys. You talking sports?

What's going on, guys? It's like so out of left field, but also like I feel like I know exactly who this. woman is in a way that it's like, oh yeah, like there is some, some darkness. And you can see why Monica parts of her, what are the way they are. Right. And on top of when she and Angie are having their personal disagreement that Monica's mom is popping in her head and being like, Monica, stop. Monica, why are you doing this? Monica, like, let it go. Let it go. Be quiet. Don't do it here. Like, I, at the very least, I don't see how Monica could feel supported by her mother. in that dynamic? Yeah. No, I mean, not, not at all. I, it was, but to me, that's the bizarreness that Salt Lake City

uniquely brings to the housewives. I think it's just bizarre from top to bottom. I mean, this is actually a storyline that I think a lot of people can relate to in some way. So that's great. It gives us this foundation to be as weird as the merry scenes are. But, um, I don't know. I, I'm curious where this goes. And it was very sad to hear Monica, you know, say on camera like sometimes I wish I did have another mom, which is a very intense thing to say on camera. Yeah, it's, it's, um, it's tough. And I mean, the tweets just don't. But, but I will say it brings you back to those Bravo blog days when the housewives

would blog against each other. Oh, yeah. And it brings that kind of, there is an element of, I'm not, there's an element of a more, a more put together Kelly Dodd in there, if that is, like, they're like, I'm just like smashing out calling names. And I'm like, Angie Kay. you want this so badly, so you got it. Like, you know, these ladies are both, I feel like,

fighting for their lives for a real place in this show. And Angie Kay over the last couple of episodes is finally like, you know, unfortunately it's because of her husband, but has that storyline, has, like she has the ball. And it's interesting to see, you know, her wanting this so badly is fascinating to me. It's not necessarily thirst, but it's wanting it, not necessarily fitting in,

but even in the awkwardness, to me, I enjoy watching her. Like, so I like everybody. on this show right now. Right. Like nothing has made Angie more thrilled than being able to claim she's being nailed to the cross like Jesus was. Exactly. Vicki. There is.

Yes. I know she's aware. Christos so nasty. Get the fuck out of my house. And I'm telling you, Angie, we're going to make you. We're going to at BravoCon. We're going to do a 23 and me. I have a feeling you're actually not Greek.

We're going to find out for sure. Oh, is this a theory you have? There is a theory that I just started last night based on no proof that I just think when somebody leans into that much into Greek culture, it's like, me leaning like being into a swiftly. Like dad, do I know every song? Do I know like put me to the test? I think Angie Kay might not be Greek.

Let's put it out there. I mean, she's like, allegedly. She's teaching us Greek words. Even on the Twitter, she's like Greek word of the day. And I'm like, really? It is. It's funny because it's just like in a way. Like people should be proud of their cultures.

Totally. I, you know, I'm very here for that. But also like in the context of this show, the fact that she's hitting it so hard, It's like, who cares? Well, then, but it's now at an interesting point because she knows we're joking about it. So she's trying to be in on the joke, even though she's dead serious doing it. So she's trying to play both sides. And to me, that's inherently entertaining.

Like, to me, this is where it gets meta and inception. Housewives can work on that level, too. It's like if, you know, you have this real storyline, but then if you have Angie and we're just all making fun of the Greek thing, I love those elements of Housewives. It's so bad it's good element. Like, to me, that's just horrible, but it's funny. Maybe at Bravo con she should be wearing like a Greek flag dress. or something.

You know she's going to wait. By the way, that's not even like a funny thing. She will do that. And you will be able to ask her in the press room. Like a crown of like an olive crown or whatever. I love Greek Easter. And by the way, I do have a theory also that bunny rabbit in the beginning. I think that was Jen Sean the bunny costume.

You're just taking you. You think she got like a reprieve? Yeah, it was a Shawshank redemption. She got out. Oh my God. Yeah, I do. the whole like Monica, Jen, Angie, Lisa, the whole thing. It's like, I don't know if I particularly care that much about like who met who, how many times before they were filming the show.

Like that, I think Angie and Lisa really like kind of like dragging Monica over her Jen Shaw connection. And it's like, you guys all were in the same grab bag of like Jen Shaw adjacent, you know. It's all ridiculous. I feel like I'm buzzed every time I watch the show. So the other thing I wanted, like, what is your take on the Heather Gay interfering with Lisa Barlow and Jack going on the mission element of it? I think it's really complicated because I do understand, like, I have my own personal, you know, thoughts and feelings about the whole, you know, concept of missions and whatever. I think it's tough because Lisa, of course, is going to take the side of her son. And, you know, for Lisa, obviously her, you know, she's Mormon 2.0.

So it's not necessarily the most traditional. But like at the end of the day, she still is in the church. And she's not going to be out here saying and doing and agreeing with things that would jeopardize that for her. But at the same time, like I really understand where have. is coming from, but also I think it, it maybe makes her look a little bit, I don't know if Petty is the right word, but that it's like she's trying to get Whitney to be like anti-Jack going on the mission. And it's a little bit just like, it's like, and then when she brings it, but also she brings into it, well, you didn't read my book. I'm like, wait, wait, now it's switching to the

book, like. But I think also it's like if Heather has issues with the, uh, with the, you know, system of the LDS missions, which I think are super justified issues. That's an issue with the LDS church and how they do things. It's not, it's not Jack Barlow's fault that missions are kind of fucked up. Well, it took Heather 40 plus years to get to this where she is with the Mormon religion right now, which she does have valid points. But I also think it like kind of harbors on that thing with housewives kids where we always say don't talk about the kids. We always say that as like a hard and fast rule, yet nobody follows the rule ever, it seems like, we always say it, but we never follow it. And I feel like it's like, wow, you are not, this is not, this is not your battle.

And like even her calling her daughter and go, do you know Jack Barlow's going on his mission? He doesn't seem like a very religious kid. That right there, you're talking directly about this kid. That has nothing to do with Lisa or your book at this point. And that to me was weird because I'm like, Heather, how often are you hanging out with Jack Barlow that you are actually, are you getting into philosophical religious conversations? with Jack? I mean, he is, he thinks the book of Mormon is exciting enough to be a movie. So he clearly is pretty into it. I just, I don't, that was the only part where I'm like,

is this storyline or is this real? And I, I, I, I listened to Heather Gay's book. And I thought it was, it was good. But it also talks about, like, up and, I feel like sometimes it's changing one, uh, one set of religious beliefs for another. Like, I feel like she traded in Mormonism for Bravo. Like I've, no, I mean, like, and she worshipped, you know, God, Andy Cohen. And in a sense, that was because this gave her the courage and, like, kind of like, put a spotlight on the things that she didn't like about the Mormon religion, which I think totally valid. But it is interesting in the book. I mean, this is fairly recent. So for her now to be the spokesman and come down on people that are going on their own journeys, I feel like that's a weird gray area.

Right. I think one thing that just popped into my head is, um, a, uh, a thing. few years ago when Paris Hilton got on her like activism train about the schools. Oh yeah. The camping. Yeah. Those like, you know, wilderness outbound. Boot camp, whatever schools that she was sent to when she was a kid.

It's like the route there is to like be an activist and work against the system itself, not to like go yell at individual people who are participating in the system. And so I think for Heather, I would love to see in the next year. to her kind of like look at this from a little bit of a higher level and make that her her mission and only time does that right like I mean like everybody is on their own journey and I just find it I find it hysterical that she thinks Lisa would even come to her I'm like Lisa has not like you that was the that was the whole storyline of the first season was Lisa didn't like you you were upset that Lisa didn't like you the college experience all of that stuff for so for you to all of a sudden

be the expert just because you wrote a book. called Bad Mormon about your experience, like their family works different than her family. I just find that she knows that too. Yeah. And also like just a couple weeks ago on the show, Lisa was mad at Heather for not giving her an olive branch last year when she decided to give Angie an olive branch this year. And it's like, right, because you guys aren't really friends, don't really like each other. It would have been disingenuous to pretend that you did. So then from Heather's perspective, it's like, if you wouldn't have invited Lisa over to your house to like have a little bit of a you know kumbaya moment why would she

have talked to you about what her sons do it just is like from all angles it's like you guys don't have that kind of relationship Lisa doesn't want to hear you like talk shit about her and you're assuring that you're probably never going to have that type of relationship if this is the path you're going down that is why to be honest I'm thankful we have Angie and Monica this season because with this original foursome of Salt Lake it does feel like there is only so much, you know, ground we can cover at this point that it's like, okay, like Meredith and Whitney, it's never really going to happen for them. Like Heather and Lisa, it's never really going to happen for them. Like, Mary and Fish Filet sandwiches. It's never, I mean, like, there is, well, you're right.

Like, because you don't, you don't want it to get to that point with Roney where it was like, okay, now we're just focused on Sion Jessel for four more episodes and it's like running out of that leg room. And also, I find it interesting, you know, Salt Lake City is not doing a Bravo con panel because they haven't filmed their reunion yet. And I feel like that's interesting. So they're just priming these ladies. It's like caging these ladies because if they were to come out, especially after the tweets and stuff from Monica,

this thing would have popped off at BravoCon. Like it's primed for like a week and a half from now to be insane. And so I think it's really smart that they are, I mean, I would have loved to have seen a BravoCon panel, but they do have to save it for the reunion. What about instead of a panel just like a Monica and Angie cage batch? Like they should really do like a UFC at BravoCon activation. The Greek stallion in this corner.

Like instead of like squash that beef, it's like, smash that beef. I don't know. No, I mean, I would totally be down for that. It'll be interesting though to see how they even interact in those spaces in Vegas. Yeah. I mean, thinking back last year, obviously the Salt Lake panel was super explosive or whatever. but also thinking like thinking about New Jersey how they split the cast in two last year and just made them go on separate days.

It's like, yeah, like some of these people are not really like down to coexist peacefully for like a photo op. Well, you see how real it is. Like that's what's exciting is that everybody always like, oh, this show's fake, this is fake, this is fake. You get there and you see like I remember last week last year that Salt Lake panel and then even the girls trip panel when Heather Gay was on there with Tamara. and Tamara leaked that Jen Shaw was in the room. And you saw Heather pissed on stage.

Like you saw her face and been like, you know, that's not exactly what happened. And I was, I mean, that was like, it was chills. Yeah. It's, it is, you really like, it's easy sometimes when you're just watching the show with kind of no additional stimuli to see it kind of like in a bubble. And it's like, oh, no, these people like really dislike each other. I mean, Jersey, you feel how much.

this will never be fixed. Yeah. Never. They will never. It's like walking dead. Like nobody's going to like there's, you're not going to fix the zombie problem. You're not going to fix the jersey problem.

It's never going to happen. And if it does, it'll happen for four episodes of peace and then it's like a wreck again. Well, Walking Dead, they just order four more spinoffs. So maybe, maybe that's the Teresa plan.

Growing up Gorga. Oh, God help us all. Ryan, it's always a pleasure to have you. No, I, dude, I love you so much.

And I'm like, thank you for always. having me back because I just truly love talking about this. And you and everybody, when you're on my show, I still am getting things of like, you guys have such good banter. So hopefully we didn't ruin it here. Well, I don't feel like we did. I think one more. We got one more. By the way, you guys listening, Dylan is so good at this. And I always tell him, he's like, ah, whatever. He is so mellow and low key that it shocks me. Because I'm always like nervous and high strong. And Dylan always seems like, yeah, it's just a thing. You know, like you are like the most humble dude here.

Yeah. Thank you. Yes. I'm just trying to. embarrass them every time I'm here now. Well, you do a good job of it. Thank you, Ryan. And thank you everyone for listening. Don't forget to rate review and follow the show wherever you listen. You can follow us on Instagram at Bravo by Betches and listen to Ryan's podcast. So bad it's good with Ryan Bailey, a fellow Betches podcast doing great stuff every day.

You talked to Captain Lee earlier this week? I didn't even know. Well, we've been working on the Captain Lee for like years now. So I finally got to talk to him. You wore him down. Well, the poor guy. And then he didn't know how to work Riverside. So it was like, it was just audio.

But it was so delightful once you get on Captain Lee's pace. Like he's, you know, I'm like, if you slow it down. But he then I asked him about Carl and how he's doing. I was like, we really haven't seen him. He's like, I do talk to Carl a couple times a week. He's still on his path. You know, he said he's, you know, I think he meant the drinking. Yeah.

And he was just saying like he'll come out and talk about his story when he's ready. But he was saying he's doing okay. But he's really excited about BravoCon. And he was making fun of Tom Sandemol, which I always love. So it was great. He's doing a one-man show in Vegas called Nightcap. Oh, my God. On Thursday.

And it was like the stud of the high seas. Stud of the high seas. And he's like out there one-man show telling his stories, which I think is so kind of charming. He's like, you know. Yeah. He seems like a good man. What a good man. Yeah, he really does.

He's talking about the love of his wife. His wife, Marianne. Yeah. I love it. I love it. Well, thank you, Ryan. And thank you everyone for listening. And until next time, be cool.

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