Mention It All - No One Mourns The Dickhead (The Valley, RHOC, RHOM)

Episode Date: July 18, 2025

It’s a good week in the Bravo world, with three banger episodes to dissect, and one very important casting update. Dylan dives into it all, starting with the news that Jax Taylor will not be returning to The Valley next season. From there, he recaps this week’s episode, featuring what might be Brittany and Jax’s final televised fight (hallelujah). From there, he discusses RHOC’s second episode of the season, which sees Katie still in the hot seat, and Gretchen Rossi’s big return to terrorizing Tamra. Later, he digs into Alexia’s insane narcissism party on RHOM, and the comedy of errors that is Lisa and Larsa’s big sitdown. Go to the BravoByBetches YouTube page to watch full length episodes every Tuesday: Youtube.com/@BravoByBetches Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. We've made it through another week. A busy week on Bravo. Our first three housewife episode week in a while, it feels good to have a lot of the girls back. The Valley is still plugging through the season. Gen NYC, the finale is next week. So we're going to catch up on on NextGen, NYC next week after the finale.

It's been like pretty, pretty solid for a first season. I don't think I'm going to be watching the Mick B Dynasty. I think that's what it's called. I just, I don't think that I have bandwidth in my life right now for Cowboys. It doesn't seem like a show that I need to be talking about. And it's not particularly a show that I want to be talking about. I would much rather spend the time that we have together talking about our Miami ladies, our OC ladies, a little bit of our Atlanta ladies, you know, they're in their reunion season,

the Valley, you know, we've got other more important stuff to get into. So the McBead Dynasty, I just, I mean, I can't even keep up with below deck these days. So, no, it's not happening. If you're on that journey, I respect that for you, and I hope it's a lot of fun. But for me, no, I do want to just take a second to shout out our YouTube channel. You can watch full video episodes of all of our Tuesday shows on the Bravo by Betches YouTube channel. That's YouTube.com slash at sign Bravo by Betches. We had our newest Miami housewife, Miss Stephanie Shojai, on the show earlier this week.

You may have listened to it. You may have watched it. If you haven't, I would recommend you go check it out. you know, we're still getting to know Steph on Miami. And I think that in the interview, I got like a little bit of a different energy from her than on the show. Not in a, not in like a, oh, she's fake on the show kind of way, but just like, you know, a different look at somebody that we haven't spent very much time with. But I think she's doing a good job on the show so far. She's like, she's getting in there.

She's getting her feet wet. She's yelling at Lisa. She's making up with Lisa like an hour later. And I mean, that's what you need from a new housewife. A little bit spicy, but a little bit sweet. You know, you got to balance the two. And she can acknowledge that she's maybe a little bit of a narcissist. Not everyone can say that.

I also had the pleasure yesterday just earlier this week to go on Watch What Crapins, one of our most beloved, most iconic Bravo podcasts. I had a great time filling in for Ronnie Cairn while he was out. We talked about the Valley for like 90 minutes. So if you are craving a much deeper dive, then we're going to have time to get into today. Go check that out. I love the guys over. I watch what crappins.

They're always a good time. Had a lot of fun chatting with Ben and, man, they're just titans of the industry. They really, they really crank it out. So that was really fun. Without further ado, though, let's get into the biggest news, the best news. No one mourns the wicked. it's Jacks. He is done. Jacks is leaving the Valley. Jacks is leaving the valley. Jacks is leaving the valley after two seasons. Can I just say thank you? Can I just say I'm so happy. I don't know when

the last time is that I was this happy to get a piece of news. Because, you know, casting updates. It's always like, okay, we'll wait and see. Maybe somebody will come back. There's a lot of mixed feelings, you know, when when Gretchen is returning to OC, when we're, you know, getting new housewives. like, oh, we'll see. When somebody leaves, it's bittersweet. Jack's announcing his departure from the valley is one of the most positive developments, I can recall. And I say Jack's leaving the Valley versus Jack's, you know, being fired from the valley because they let him frame this the way that, you know, he wanted to frame it. And I do have mixed feelings about that. But before we get into that, let me just read his statement.

This was initially reported in variety and then confirmed, shortly after by Bravo officially. I'm glad we don't have to wait and, you know, wonder about this for a long time. But he said, after an incredibly challenging year and many honest conversations with my team and producers, I'll be stepping away from the next season of the Valley. Right now, my focus needs to be on my sobriety, my mental health, and co-parenting. Taking this time is necessary for me to become the best version of myself, especially for our son, Cruz. I mean, good, like, don't let the door hit you on your way out. Jacks can say whatever he wants to say about focusing on mental health and sobriety and

co-parenting and, you know, that's great. I hope he means it. Do I believe him? No, of course not. Do I believe that this is a choice that Jacks made because he, you know, he'd just been through so much and he knows that it's time to step away? Absolutely, fucking lootly not. This is Jack's, my show, Taylor. He has now done this twice. He did it on Vanderpump Rules his last season. He's now done it on the Valley, his last season, where he is, you know, acting like an absolute clown dipshit and he goes off about how it's my show and, you know, people should be, you know,

bow down to him and be kiss the ground he walks on and worship his every move. And, you know, if you go against Jack's, best of luck to you, because it's my show. And both times, both times that he has done it, he has received a pink slip at the end of the season. It's just delicious. It is just, I love it so much. Now, I do, like, I'm a little disappointed that the network is allowing him to, you know, allegedly exit on his own terms because it seems to me just exceedingly unlikely that this was truly his choice. Like, be fucking for real.

Jacks is not the kind of person who is walking away because he needs growth. he got fired, just like he did on banner pump rolls. We all know. And I think that given all of the horrors that Jacks has, has put us through and, of course, put Britney through on TV and off, it would have been a little bit more delicious if he had been publicly fired. If the network had said, we're not going to have Jacks on another season of this show because he's a nightmare train wreck, abusive. asshole. Now, I mean, I don't know if the corporate, you know, HR perspective would have been quite that direct, but I kind of wish they had gone that route just a little bit more, like, made it not seem like his decision. But at the end of the day, we all see the writing on this

wall, and I feel okay about that. The timing is interesting, because their season finale is next week, and then they have a reunion, which Jacks attended. So it is a little bit strange that we now know he's not coming back to the show, but we're going to watch three more episodes with him on. Like, I don't, I don't really understand why they made this announcement prior to the reunion airing, but hey, I will take it whenever it comes. And the best thing about this is that the Valley is just so rich in characters and storylines and themes and, and I think they are going to be completely fine. And I think, if anything, next season is going to be better because we're not going to have

to have Jacks Taylor lurking in the corner of every frame. We're going to be able to watch Britney do her own thing and do what she needs to do and spread her wings and fly. And if Jacks is still making her life a living hell, it won't be on the show. We won't have to watch it. And that's the thing with Jacks this season. It has gotten to a point where like it's not fun, messy drama to watch. It just feels dark. It just feels depressing. I just want it to be over. And the scene that he has with Brittany on this week's episode, which now it might be their final televised standoff, I don't know what they get into in the reunion. I don't know what happens in the finale next week, but this might be Jack's's's last stand.

And it does not go super well. He has talked to Jesse earlier in the episode. And he, you know, he's just, he just doesn't know what to do. And oh, man, oh man, I just, I just, I just want a man, I just want to, you know, be there for my kid, for Cruz. He's talking to Kristen and Luke and, ah, God, what do I do? It's like, please, the theatrics are a little much. But Kristen and Luke suggest that if he wants to spend time with Cruz, he can offer that Cruz will come sleep over at his house, but he will install a nanny cam in Cruz's room so that Brittany, when she's not there, can just have a little peek and see and make sure everything's okay.

Okay, Kristen and Luke, respectfully, this is a terrible idea. Like, we're supposed to be streamlining and making this situation easier for everyone involved. And now Brittany has to not only decide whether or not she's okay with him spending the night at Jack's house, but like she's supposed to do the work of watching a camera and, like, what the fuck kind of solution is that? Brittany, I don't think, is going to go for it. They don't even get to that point, though, because Jax goes over to the house.

And of course, Jax is still returning time after time to the Manipulator 101 handbook. He's got all the tools. He's got all the tricks up his sleeve of trying to make Britney feel bad for him and, you know, cave in on her convictions. And so he's like, oh, you know, how's, you know, I just came over here. You know, I just want to work things out. I just, you know, I just feel like it shouldn't be that hard.

And like, man, do we really need like all these like lawyers and stuff? Really? Really? Do we need that? It's like, Jason, sir. Fast forward 10 minutes and you're going to be yelling at her about spousal support and alimony and, you know, custody agreements. Yes, you need the.

lawyers. If any couple has ever needed a lawyer or two to get in the middle and, and, you know, tell them what's what, it's Jackson, Brittany. The idea that they would be able to just, like, sit down for a peaceful mediation, oh, sorely mistaken. But so he, um, Jack's though, you know, he's the voice of reason in this room. He's the, he's the father figure, and he's like, man, so, um, about that divorce that you, um, you said you wanted. You still, you still good with that? You still, that's still what you're thinking?

Did the divorce? She's like, yes, Jacks. I'm still divorcing. I'm still divorcing you because you haven't done anything. You've not done one thing. You've not, you haven't changed at all. And I love, I love the way that Brittany throughout this whole encounter with Jacks really, really just stands her ground.

there has been at some point in this season, something has clicked into place for her, where she is no longer susceptible to the traps that Jacks is laying for her. And it's so wonderful to see because that's a hard thing. I mean, they have been together for a long time. He's the father of her child. She has gone back to him again and again. It's been complicated. You know, he's been cheating on her since before they were even married. And she's known that. But she's, but she's, She's done. She's over it. She is immune to the bullshit. Because, you know, at first he's saying, oh, man, can't we just, can't we just, I don't think we need. And then he's, and then he's switching tactics and going to the, man, you're just going to throw everything away 10 years. You're just, how can you move on like that? Oh my God. You're just moving. She's like, fuck you. I haven't moved on. I just, I'm not going to put up with this anymore. And he's like, damn, man. Okay, well, fine. Then, um, You're not going to get full custody if you think that that's fine. I'll just, you know, and she's like, I am getting full custody. And we're going to split the doctor bills. The phrase doctor bills in Brittany's little Kentucky twang, it just, we're splitting the doctor bills. And he says, no, if you're getting full custody, then I'm not paying for the doctor bills.

She goes, that's child support. He's a 50, 50 state, community property. Just these people. And 10 minutes ago, he thought they didn't need a lawyer. get real. And then his last little tactic that he switches to is like, man, yeah, you're right. I'm a piece of shit. Yeah, I'm the worst person. I'm fine. Fine. I'll go. I'll go. I'll go. No, it's fine. I'm a piece of shit. You're right. I'm the worst, worst human alive. Just like, he is so textbook the worst. And I can't wait for Brittany to just like be done.

That scene was a lot. It just, it's every time. And this is not even like getting into the nitty gritty of the fact that he has like literally been violent in their house. And there are questions about whether he's like fit to be around their child. You know, she's saying, Cruz is not going to go over to your house anytime soon because I have no idea what's going over there. There could be nasty women. There could be party in. There could be.

How many Xanax did you take before you came over here? I don't know, Britney is, Britney's really letting the accusations fly. Nasty women. Xanax. A den of sin. She, like,

what do you think is going on it? Like, Jacks, we see Jack's place earlier in the episode. And it's literally like the, the blandest townhouse apartment that you've ever seen with, like, grage walls and,

you know, furniture that looks like it's never been sat on. I don't think there's anything hung on the walls. Like, he has not really had time to, to make this place like a lived-in, you know, nasty housing situation. Like, it kind of looks like he just moved in. Nevertheless, I'm not saying Cruz should be spending time there, but, um,

Jackson, Brittany, I am curious now that Jacks is not going to be on the show anymore, how much next season we are going to get still updates on Britney's divorce. presumably, I mean, if they start filming any time soon, it doesn't feel like all of this is going to be resolved and over. I mean, they're screaming at each other about alimony. That's going to be an ongoing situation. You know that Jacks Taylor is not just going to stop rage texting her one day because they signed some paperwork and it's over. You know, that child is still going to be between the two of them and they're going to have to communicate about certain stuff. what they really need, I think they need Drew and Ralph's court-supervised texting app

because I have a feeling like if there were like a lawyer's set of eyes on that text chain, I think the dynamic would shift a little bit. And I want that for Brittany because the notifications are just too much. She's the James May inaugural 10th anniversary rebrand revival photo shoot at Kristen's house and Brittany just loves to be a model. You know, she's not a model, but she loves to do it sometimes, like a photo shoot. That sounds really fun. And Jackson is texting her for the fucking ring camera code.

Why is the text with the ring camera code going to Brittany's phone? Put in your own phone number. It's your ring camera. Also, all those codes, it's like, you know, when you get the code and the text with the code is like, warning, we will never ask you to send this code. So if anybody ever asks for the code, it's a one-time use. asks for it, don't give it out. Now, I don't think that Brittany necessarily would be the best at spotting a scam. Like, if she was getting like the fishing test emails, I think she would click the link every time. But Brittany knows better than this. She knows Jack's better than she knows

a, you know, a random, you know, online scammer. She knows that he's, he's trying to get into her ring camera. So many ring cameras. Does, do we really need these? Is it, is it, is it, is it bad that I don't have a ring camera. It just feels like it would make my life complicated. I just moved last week. Like, is this something that should be on my list at my new place? Like, do I don't think I want a ring camera? I don't, like, I'm in the studio right now. I don't need to be like on my phone looking at if somebody's in my hallway. I don't know. I don't, the ring camera, the, the furbo, live in the moment. I don't know. If I want a live stream, I can like go on Twitch or whatever. I would Never. I've never gone on Twitch. No, it's a good episode of the Valley, though. I think the darkness

from last week feels like it's cleared a little bit. Like there was so much last week with the Danny and Janet and, you know, Jasmine and Melissa getting dragged into it and all of that. I like that we're focusing on that just a little bit less. You know, of course, Nia has a great moment early in the episode when she deems Janet to be the Voldemort of the Valley. She who must not be named. The resemblance, I got to say, if you haven't been over to the Bravo by Betches' Instagram page in the last few days, I found a couple of side-by-side photos that look pretty similar. Oh, Janet, she's had a tough season. She's had a tough season, but you know who is now on her side is Sheena Shea.

And I think that Sheena is being very strategic because we get a scene in this episode where we're in the backyard of Sheena's house. Sheena's house is now on the table as a filming location for this show. I think that's notable. And Sheena has Janet and Michelle over. And to me, this signals that Sheena is really angling for that full-time slot in the cast next season. Because if you think about the dynamics of this cast and the way that this season has shaken out, Janet and Michelle are kind of like the poor unfortunate souls here.

Because Janet is like in villain territory, doesn't have a lot of friends. you know, as Larsa would say about Lisa, her friend list is dwindling. You know, they're dropping like flies. There's not a lot left. She's scrounging. And Michelle weirdly, like, in her separation from Jessie has kind of drifted a little bit from the center of the show. At the beginning of the season, it felt like her and Jesse were going to be kind of a big focal point. And that has kind of waned a little bit. So I think that Sheena probably senses an opportunity that these two, if she can get in tight with these two, and more importantly, maybe, if she can establish a sort of rivalry with Kristen, this could be her foot in the door. I don't even want to get

into Sheena's whole affair revelation from last week. Brock cheated on her when she was pregnant. She didn't know at the time. They made it through. And then now she's writing about it in her book, which like, congratulations. I'm sure she'll get the bestseller, whether or not there's the little dagger next to it. That means there's some, like, sneaky. sales tactics, who knows, but I wish she'd all the best. I still don't know how I feel about her being a larger presence on the show. I think from a pure, like, plot standpoint, it does make sense. So I'm not angry about it.

But I also don't know that I feel like the show especially needs it. So we'll see. We'll see what happens there. But Sheena is telling Janet and Michelle that Kristen has always had this pattern of, you know, cozying up to the popular girl in the group because she's insecure. And Kristen, you know, wants to latch on to somebody that she thinks is cooler than her. And in this case, I guess that's Nia, which like, okay. Like, I like Nia.

Nia's sweet and lovely and Baltimore at the Valley was very funny. But it's like, is Nia really like the queen B of this group? She's been pregnant for the last five years and is, you know, moving to Santa Clarita, which is, you know, the middle of nowhere. I mean, that house that Jasmine showed them. Girl, I know that that house must have been a production plant because there's just no way that you would see somebody's list of requirements and that's what you would show them. It's less square footage than the claustrophobic condo they're already in. What are you doing? Jasmine's like, oh, I really, I want to.

be able to provide for Melissa and, you know, because we're, because we're lesbians, there's two of everything, two rings, two dresses, two, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you really need the commission and you're showing them this house? Girl, they're not going to buy it. There's one sink in the master bathroom. This is a former Miss USA. She needs her own sink. She needs a, you know, a double vanity. She needs a walk-in closet. Not a Jack and Jill bathroom. I know that space is expensive. I, you know, beggars can't be choosers. I certainly am not, you know, I'm not buying a $1.1 million house in Sherman Oaks. That's not my journey either.

But like, I'm happy that they're getting more space. I'll just say that because like, ooh, every time they show that apartment they lived in, it's just like, yeah, I feel like there's going to be like a rat scurrying around. Like, I don't know. It's just dirty. No, lovely. a lovely penthouse condo and now they're moving to Santa Clarita. I hope things go well for them.

But a good episode of the Valley, I'm a bittersweet to be leaving this season next week. It's been a pretty good length season, though. They bumped them up to what, 15 episodes this year? Pretty good. I think the Valley is going to be around for a while. And we will check in next week when they have their season finale. So good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom Rwraib.

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Work your magic. Now let's talk about Real Housewives of Orange County. Our second episode, you know, we're getting our feet wet with this season. season. We're at Shannon's Golden Door event. The Golden Door, I thought it was going to be like a really big deal. And then it kind of isn't. Like they walk on this labyrinth thing. They set their intentions. They like, I don't know, bang a drum or whatever. And then they leave. Shannon was really making it sound profound. I don't know. Hopefully this is a sign of an action-packed season to come that they barely even showed what they did at the Golden Door. But the main thing. that we're talking about after. So Emily, Tamara, and Gina are together at this, you know, wellness place. And I love that they're getting like, you know, they're like ass jiggled by some machine. And then there's going to be like lasers and like a hot massage. And they're like, this is what I thought the golden door was going to be. I thought I was going to be in a robe getting a massage. And then all I, all we got to do was listen to Shannon defend Katie's bullshit.

Gina's like, please, I need a spa day. More than anything. I don't even have a couch. I'm sitting on a camping chair in the living room. I need a fucking massage. I sat last week in my new apartment. I was there one day before I had fully moved in, waiting for some deliveries. And so I didn't have any chairs.

And so I sat on a hardwood floor for like a full workday working there. Oh my God. I have never felt more decrepit. in my life. I understand Gina, Gina needs a couch and Gina needs a massage, and I'm glad she's getting one. But the really interesting thing that we get here. So, you know, they're annoyed that Shannon is defending Katie. And then Tamara has some tea about Shannon and Katie, because it turns out at the gallery photo shoot, we're getting into some inside baseball technical terms here. So basically at the cast photo shoot for the prior season, where they were wearing those

silver dresses, and it's like the blue background, very pretty. Shannon was apparently having a meltdown because she showed up late and then saw that Alexis was there and was like freaking out that Alexis was there because obviously things were not going well between her and Alexis because of John Jansen and yada, yada, yada. We all watched last season, if you didn't. Okay, sorry, sorry, why are you here? No, but I'm glad you're listening. But so, Tamara is saying that Katie and she,

Shannon were sharing a dressing room at this photo shoot. And so Katie saw that Shannon was having this meltdown and recorded Shannon and then showed it to Alexis Bolino. Alexis Bellino, who was in the middle of suing Shannon. Remember, Alexis and John sued Shannon over the facelift and then she had to settle for it for, I think, 60K in the off season. And so this could have, you know, could have fed into the, I don't know, evidence or whatever, yada, yada with the lawsuit. It doesn't sound great. It doesn't sound great.

And the thing is, after that premiere, Shannon was one of the only people that was in Katie's corner. So knowing that now there's this information floating around that could damage Katie in Shannon's eyes, Katie, you're in danger, girl. You got to lock this shit down. cut to, of course, Katie and Shannon catching up. Shannon's like, oh, I wanted to resolve things that were lingering from last year at the Golden Door, but I guess that didn't happen, a tale is oldest time, really.

Katie, though, is grateful for Shannon's support. And of course, calls out Shannon telling Jen that Katie was shutting down. She's like, you recognized in that moment that I just couldn't deal with all the, oh, it was too much. And thank you so much for being there. I love the foreshadowing because we already know, we're seeing, you know, two miles up the road, that things,

there might be a storm brewing for Katie and Shannon. This episode, though, most importantly, marks their return of one, Gretchen Rossi. And she looks the same.

She looks the same. She gets out of the car. She's showing up to Jen and Ryan's house. Katie and Matt are there too. Katie's like, oh, you know, the stuff with Ryan last season,

when I was just meeting him and people were talking about the FBI, and all of that. It seemed so salacious. And since then, I've gotten to know him, and he's a great guy. It's like, okay, yeah. I really believe that you've done all the work to find out all the, all the things that you had concerns about. Also, you desperately needed some friends in this cast. But anyway, Gretchen shows up and she's like, wow, I bet you never thought you'd see me again. And here I am, frozen in time. I look exactly the same, don't I? And no plastic surgery. I haven't even touched my boobs. The thing about Gretchen is that like when she says frozen in time,

she is like, oh yeah, bitches, aren't you jealous of my face that looks exactly the same as 11 years ago? You could never. Your fave could never. I look like as young as I was the day, the day that you last saw me. But the thing is like, I feel like there are two types of looking good as you age. And there's like the maintaining a youthful appearance and looking like lovely and young and fresh and natural. And there's the Gretchen way of doing it, which is like a little bit giving like dipped in formaldehyde. Like she looks frozen in time as in like she's been embalmed for the last 15 years. And like I don't mean that she looks bad. Like a, Objectively, yeah, she looks good, but like, it looks like she has been, like, defrosted

straight from 2011. Kind of with the styling, too. Like, she just hasn't really, like, kept up. Tamara's talking to Heather. She's like, oh, yeah, you saw her recently. Does she have a nose? Because from Instagram, you can't tell. It's very, very blurry.

And it's going to be interesting. I think something that I'm really curious this season is, like, to see how Gretchen Rossi really, like, fits into this system in 2025 because it's a different world than the last time she was here. And this is something I saw. Tamara talked about it in an interview with Danny and Evan, the virtual reality guys who, of course, have been here and we love them. And she was saying that Gretchen, like, did it, had a rough season because she was treating it like it was the same show as 15 years ago and that it's just not. And we start to see a little bit of this unfold. at Katie's Hot Pot event that Gretchen really has not moved on from the drama that we saw her have

with Tamara 15 years ago. And Gretchen says this. I mean, when she's showing up for that first scene at Jen's house, she's like, oh, yeah, so it's been 11 years since you saw me. But every time there's a new housewife that joins the show, they always reach out to me and are like, Gretchen, guru Gretchen. How? How? How? How? Please tell me. What are your tips for dealing with Tamara Judge, with big, evil, scary Tamara Judge? And Gretchen's like, and I just tell them to run. Run for the hills. It's like, first of all, that's not very, like, you know, big brave girl advice. Like, fight. Put up a fight. No, but she's saying that basically every new girl for the last 15 years, she's been like the Tamara coach. And then she's coming back on the show. and she is, you know, claiming that Tamara has, you know, been dragging her and saying all the stuff and calling Slate a deadbeat dad and oh, it's been, you know, can you believe that Tamara's been so obsessed with me? And it's like, girl, right back at you. It takes two to tango. And I think that for Gretchen, the thing is like, you don't have to like Tamara. You don't have to think that Tamara is like a good person. Lord knows it's complicated over there. You know, she's finally starting her therapy journey. She wants to be a better person, but she's going to, little work to do. But Gretchen is coming back onto this show with no kind of foundation. She's starting at zero. The last time that she was on this show, you know, the next gen NYC kids were in, you know, elementary school. So she does not have any kind of like footing in this cast. She's

starting from scratch. Whereas Tamara Judge, like her or not, she's an institution. She has stayed that girl for all this time. And so I think that Gretchen is maybe miscalculating a little bit that she's really going to be able to come back and sort of hold Tamara's feet to the fire for, you know, situations that happened a decade ago. I mean, she's bringing up on this show, on this episode, Tamara talking about her fiance, Jeff, which was back in like season four when Jeff was sick and Tamara was calling Gretchen a gold digger. And it's like, I know that that was a rough situation, but like, we haven't talked about that on this show in a decade plus.

This is not the same group. I mean, at least on Real Housewives of New Jersey, when Teresa was, you know, fixated on certain things about Melissa for a decade plus, it was actually, it still felt like the same show. That had been a continuous narrative. With Gretchen, she's coming back with stuff I haven't thought about in years. And it's like, oh, yeah, I mean, I guess that was like a little messed up. But like, yeah, we kind of have 50 other things that we've talked about since then.

So, like, are you going to, do you care about any of those? Or like, do you have any, like, do you have anything interesting to say about, like, Katie and Emily or like Shannon and Gina? Like, what's, how do you relate to the group now? Because Tamara versus Gretchen in 2025, I just like, okay, I could just go watch season six on Peacock. and I probably will. I kind of want to now. Like, I mean, great stuff. So I'm really curious how this is going to go, because it doesn't seem like, it doesn't seem like Gretchen is really bringing new stuff to the table at all. But, you know, I'm glad to see them. But the, the Katie and Shannon thing comes back up. Because of course, you know, Tamara and Emily bring it up at the hot pot table, you know, fighting at hot pot, that's a new one. I like when we switch up the locations, you know, it's a good, you know, change of scenery. Tamara brings up this Katie recording Shannon at the gallery shoot. And Katie's like, okay, well, it wasn't a video. It was a voice note because, you know, I was talking to my husband and then I was like recording it.

Then I was playing it for him. I was like, can you believe this? I don't know if that's like a material difference in the thing. But Katie's big thing is like, no, no, no, no, no. I never played this recording for Alexis. The only person that I played it for was my husband. and I may have disgusted with Alexis. And Jen was there too.

And Jen's like, wait, sorry. When, when was this? She's like, I don't, she's like, leave me out of it. She's like, I don't remember talking about this. You never said that. Now, Jen, I don't know. Is Jen telling the truth? Who knows?

I believe that maybe she doesn't remember. But Katie's like, Katie's like, yeah, no, I just had to make that recording because I was so frustrated because the photo shoot was supposed to be fun. It was supposed to be like a day of fun and celebration and glam and just, you know, it's just a good, a good time. And it's like respectfully, I don't know that the photo shoot is like renowned as an occasion for fun. Did you watch last season of Real Housewives of New York? That photo shoot looked like the worst day of some of their lives. Now, I believe that it's like, it's like fun to be like, oh, I think glad.

like yeah looking looking sexy but like Shannon was going through it and Katie knew that and I think it was a little I think it's a little weird that she's like defending the recording like you should just point blank apologize for the recording I do like though that Gretchen still has a little bit of that housewife thinking in her because she goes oh wait Emily how did you know about the recording that Katie made of Shannon

and Emily's like because Tamara told me and it's like Gretchen Gretchen was connecting the dots in her head She was doing the girl math And she said, I think I have a way to make Tamara look bad in this again. So no reverse. I mean, Tamara, of course, is like the engineer of the mess.

She's the reason we're talking about this right now. But Shannon's very hurt, you know, she She's upset. She feels like she and Katie were, you know, starting to get somewhere. But I don't know. It's a good scene. It's exciting. It feels like everyone's getting in the mix.

Gina has a little bit of a breakthrough with Katie. She says, we're not trying to hurt you. So there's no need to try to hurt us. And Katie's like, yeah, you're right. That's good to hear. And Gina, I miss having fun with you. It's like, okay. I don't know how far we got.

I don't know how much fun they had together last season. But she thought it was an eat or be eaten situation when she joined the show, which I understand. You do kind of got to eat. If you're not eating, leave the table. No, but the best quota to end on is that at Hot Pot, Emily has put an egg in her purse, thinking it was hard-boiled. In fact, it was not. So she just has egg yolk all over her hands. Emily Simpson never wanted to miss out an opportunity to put food in her purse.

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I just want to talk real quick about Miami. The narcissism party, you guys, perfect. Perfect, perfect, perfect, perfect. Just the scamiest, stupidest, messiest, most toxic event. And, you know, Alexia's self-help coach guy, our favorite Australian, you know, he's really set up a house of horrors for them to walk through. You know, there's like lipstick quotes on the mirror about being a narcissist while, you know, foreshadowing Lisa's over there taking a whole photo shoot of herself. And then we get to a game. The narcissism coach, self-help expert, I don't know.

He's like, okay, guys, so we're going to do a game. And this is really going to help us, you know, get to know each other better, feel where the, you know, where the complications are. And so I've got these red flags here. And everybody has a vase with their name on it. So I'm going to say a statement. And the person that you feel like fits with the statement the best, you're going to put your red flag in their vase. And whoever has the most flags in their vars at the end. I can't stop saying vase.

And of course, you know, this was. I saw this coming from a mile away. Lisa wins every vote in a landslide. I mean, look, Lisa Hockstein, I don't want to be rude, but like, the writing was on the wall. The second we were showing up here, I mean, who was two hours late to the van ride to come to this thing? Lisa, you know, it's, it's not hard to figure out. But Lisa, of course, is upset by this. How would she not be?

Of course, the self-help coach is like, I think this. game was really helpful for all of us. I think we learned a lot. It's like, yeah, yeah, you did. These women are at each other's throats. Nobody got self-help here. This was hurtful. I mean, Lisa's just, she's really going through it. She feels like she has no friends. She feels like she's been open to these women and that now they're, you know, taking it out against her and all of that, which I kind of understand. I mean, I think Lisa has some obvious, like, flaws and issues, but also, like, it sucks to have everyone in the group say that you're the biggest narcissist.

That's not a fun thing to hear. She and Larson, like, kind of go off to the side and they're, like, acknowledging that they need to have a talk, and Gertie is, like, sitting there, like, she's going to coach them through it. And she's like, yes, uh-huh. Yep, talk. You're talking. Okay.

That's right. Now you, okay, you're going to talk? Let's talk. And then at the end, she goes, you're welcome. Thank you. Good job, girls. You talked. Yay!

Gertie saves the day. Gertie is just, oh, Gertie is unreal. She just makes me laugh so much. And you know who else makes you laugh, Adriana? Because she clocks the bullshit of this self-help expert guy. And as they are walking away, he's like, he's like giving them the thumbs up of like, good work you guys did today. And she goes, this hocus pocus fucking TikToker. She's like, who is this man? No, later in the episode, though, we do finally get Alarsa and

Lisa sit down. And I think that this is a really interesting scene because I was not expecting this to happen so early in the season. You know, just a few weeks ago, they were in Milan together and have been, you know, extremely, extremely not good with each other. And so to even get them sitting at the same table, I thought was maybe going to happen by the end of the season. Now, that being said, it's not exactly smooth sailing once they get there. You know, they, they kind of have a good, they have like a good starting point of a talk, but then things kind of disintegrate. And, you know, Larsa says that she's running out of, that Lisa's running out of friends. And so she almost, it's kind of like a backhanded thing where she's like, no, you know, like, I, I feel like I, I feel bad that we're not in a good place because you don't have very many friends left. You know, you probably feel like you need me as a friend. And right now we're not good.

But Larsa says that Lisa is a narcissist, of course, the word of the episode. And then Lisa spins it right back around. And I was not familiar with her game because Lisa goes, I'm a narcissist. Well, you're out. a larcissist. Oh, you're a larcissist. Oh, my God. They, I mean, they really are like, they have some animosity towards each other. Earlier in the episode, they're talking, oh, you're a liar, you're a liar. Oh, I, you know, I have their receipts. And Larsa goes, baby girl, I am the receipt. First of all, like, what does that mean? Okay, sure. Lisa goes, what, that's your Halloween costume this year? And then Larsa, completely unrelated. I don't know why this came to her mind. She goes, oh yeah, find a dress that's in your size.

Like, okay, like, first of all, I don't know that Larsa is the one to talk about, like, the fit of a garment necessarily. But, like, oh my God. No, but then the, it's just like, it's so cinematic because Lisa storms away from the table. She's crying in the hallway. She calls Alexia. I was, honestly, I was happy she didn't call Jody.

Talking to it. I would rather her call Alexia. I don't need to see another crying phone call with Jody. No, but she's in the bathroom. She's crying on the phone about how she feels like all the girls don't like her and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And Alexi's like, I know we, that's not true. That's not true. Don't listen to her. We like you, whatever, yada, yada, yada.

I'm sure she's like, you know, she's with Todd or something. And we can see as she's in the bathroom, somebody's feet are under the stall. So we know that Lisa's having this whole meltdown on the phone while there is an unsuspecting. an unsuspecting rando just trying to pee or god forbid trying to take a shit at this restaurant can you imagine you are ass out cheeks to the toilet seat in a restaurant like okay like we're almost we're almost there we're almost there and then you hear no like larza's so fucking mean like she doesn't even like me you're just like not to make noise in the stall Oh, it's crazy.

And then they cut to Larson sitting at the table just without a care of the world just watching, I guess, like, TikTok's on her phone. And they play, you can hear the audio. It's like a video of Donald Trump talking about if any, you know, Latino votes for Kamala. They're crazy. And then she swipes and it's a video about like fall trends. It's just like the juxtaposition. Oh, man. Larsa and Lisa, I mean, say what you will about both of them as people, but man, they know how to deliver.

They know how to deliver. And the editors, the producers, Miami is just like so great to watch. And I hope people are watching it. I know the people have been talking about the ratings have been really not great for this season. I hope that the peacock numbers are better. I don't know. It's just like a feast, a dramatic feast. The one thing I wanted to mention,

Martina and Evertolova on the shit list. Did you see what she tweeted about surrogacy? Ma'am, you're a 68, 69 year old woman adopting little children. Who's a queer woman, by the way. Martina has been very in the like JK rolling adjacent space with trans people. It's not been good, but she tweeted that surrogacy is wrong. and you can't have, you know, whatever. It's like, okay, people are saying that they think this is going to get Julia fired from the show

because Andy Cohen has, of course, had his children via surrogate. I don't know. I mean, it's too soon to say that there's a lot of season left to go, but like, Martina, get your shit together. It's not cute. It's, it's very troubling. But on that note, Miami, great stuff. I want to talk about Atlanta.

We ran out of time. But Atlanta, their reunion's off to a good start. Drew's body glitter is truly just like blinding. But they've got two parts left. So we'll get into it next week. But that's going to do it for us today. Thanks so much for listening. Don't forget to rate, review, and follow the show wherever you listen.

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