Mention It All - Not All OGs Need A Comeback Ft. Ryan Bailey (RHOA, RHOC)

Episode Date: July 12, 2023

Dylan is joined in the studio by Ryan Bailey, host of So Bad It’s Good With Ryan Bailey, and they start with a frank discussion of what’s not working this season on RHOA. They evaluate the return of the OGs, then compare Kim Zolciak’s situation with RHOBH’s return to filming in the wake of the Kyle and Mauricio news. Is any of this actually interesting? Later, they discuss the magical rise of RHOC, and why it’s so good. Check out our latest promo codes here: https://betches.com/promos Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We're going to check me both Hey everyone Welcome back to the mention at all podcast I'm Dylan Hayfer And I'm excited to be joined in the studio today for the first time

By a friend of mine A fellow podcaster A fellow Bravo lover Ryan Bailey Hello How are you I'm good I'm not used to podcasting

in person I know You're like you're in the stew. I mean, it truly feels like an out-of-body experience, and I'm just, I'm so used to a Zoom or a stream yard, and then to actually see the person is, it's magical. I love bringing people into the stew. The energy is electric.

We're like James and Lala right now. Yeah, this is what Sheena feels like on a weekly basis doing a re-record of good as gold. It's just the magic that's created in here. I, if you think she's in the stew on a weekly basis, more power to you. Well, I mean, whenever Kim Zolziacs out, of the studio, Sheena's in the studio. Right. They juggle the booking back and forth.

Well, I mean, the amount of, I was thinking about this when I was watching Atlanta, I was like, man, the amount of songs Bravo has been a part of. Yeah. The fact that they don't have their own Coachella at this point is, is insane. The amount of music and hair care products that comes out of Bravo. The problem is everybody set at Coachella would be two songs. That's good. That's good.

We don't have good attention fans. Ashley Darby performing coffee and love on the Diamond stage. From 11 to 11.05. Yes. Go about your day then. And also, can she do coffee and love ever again because it name checks Michael Darby in the song? She can pull at Taylor Swift and like change the lyrics 10 years later. Coffee.

Do we think Ashley owns her own masters? That's the other thing. Does Shea even own her own? Does Shea own good as gold or does Shea own a piece of that? Because didn't he produce that back in the day? Don't make me go through the Spotify credits. and see who owns why. Because I will.

That's the problem. It's like you say it and then I will. Well, it's truly something that kept me up at night one night. And I didn't even bother to Google it. But I just kept thinking, does she have to share this with Shea? Because Good as Gold has had a renaissance this year. Yeah. I mean, certainly more streams.

Like Dina Deadly must be, you know, making the most money that she, they, whoever has made. Dina Deadly got so powerful at one point. They stopped playing the summer house theme two seasons ago because she had also done the Summerhouse theme. Oh, we think she did? Yeah, she sang the summer house theme. The only one she didn't do that I think is iconic is like the Southern Charm theme, which is Maya Sable or Mia Sable.

Our brains are so pickled. Yeah, there's nothing else we could possibly do with our lives at this point. I do like, I think on Bravo shows they've gotten, they've incorporated a little bit more of the like fake reality TV music genre, like the selling sunset kind of interlude songs where it's like, oh, it's a whole new. I mean, we're in the car. Yeah. Well, it's also that and it's like,

girl bossing on a Monday doing it now. Strong. I don't know. It makes everything feel a little more like glossy, vibrant to me. It makes you feel like you are watching the best parts of the montages in a romantic comedy. You know, it's like when the girl's like, I'm going to a job and get my coffee and I'm like petting a dog on the street. And it's like that's the kind of music that you would hear in the interstitions. Right.

Like one person's doing a photo shoot. one person's like wrangling their kids. Yes. You see a little bit of everything. And the music is so strong and overpowering that you're like forced to feel happy. Yeah. Yeah. I want to talk about speaking of, I think one of the shows that does this editing well,

but maybe in other areas is floundering a little bit right now is Real Housewives of Atlanta. It's very kind of you to compliment the editing and use you right. I mean, yeah. I, I, how have you been taking in this season? because I think my my mileage has varied a little bit as we've gone through the weeks. You have all the pieces of something that could be like really great. And that's why it's so great that Bravo never really, you know, besides the old Roney, you know, gets rid of these shows. Because, you know, the elements are there.

It's just that they find the right thing. But it's wildly uneven. Like this week's episode, really a snoozer. But the week before, there were elements where I was cracking up with, with Choray and, you know, Shreys in her fur coats, you know, meeting up with candy. And I thought it was just a hysterical scene. And then the next episode, this past week's episode, just was like, oh, even the reunion of Kim Zolziak, Shire, you know, the other two.

Lisa and Deshawn, yeah. That should have been a powerhouse scene. And it just was, it was like Indiana Jones, where it's like, man, I'm so glad that movie's out. And then people are like, oh, it's okay. Shire's confessional look. She's like CGI-D-aged. Her face exploded in the one talking head.

And she says she's never had a needle on her face. That was strange. I don't know. But I agree that this week's episode, it just was like there wasn't like a central conflict going on. And all of a sudden it was just like, I was like taking notes. And I was like, I really find things. What are you going to take notes on? Like it, you know, all of these things, you know, the mommy fundraiser.

I mean, that's good, but nothing really happened there. Right. I mean, the drama was Kenya being late. and maybe having to sit separately from her plus one, which then she didn't even sit down once she got there because she was so late. Like, she just had to jump into the auction. I think nods like a tip of the hat with Kenymore hair care.

Yeah. And, you know, it's just kind of like Sheena Good as Gold. If it's in addition to a great storyline, then you're even feeling better about a callback. You know, some kind of callback is amazing. But if that's all it is, it's just like the dinner scene with all the past real houseways of Atlanta members. It nothing happens so much so that you were looking at like an empty

chair going where's need? Yeah, I think the OG scene was interesting because among Bravo viewers, like the respect for the OGs is like such a thing that people bring up and like, you know, it's so wrong that Vicky's not on OC and like, how dare you? And like Roney Legacy is like, you know, give these women what they deserve and like Teresa is New Jersey, like those kind of through lines. And I feel like we don't really hear that with Atlanta except for people being like they screwed over Nini. Yeah. And so having that OG dinner, which was just like fully devoid of context with the rest of the

episode. Like there wasn't any like, oh, like, I've been going through it. So I want to see some of my old girlfriends. It was just like, here we are at a restaurant. All of a sudden. Yeah, exactly. There was no, like, why are you here? What's next?

Like, is this setting up something? And then, you know, bad luck or good luck. You have Kim Zolziak who's going through, you know, all the Croy stuff. She has the one line about like, well, me and Croa grade after 11 years. I mean, we are just fabulous. I mean, she craps on her mom, which is, you know, iconic Kim Zolsiac. But then it was like, yeah, Kim, things aren't going good. You know, if you pay attention to anything, things aren't going good.

So it didn't even give us good tea in any sort of way. I, the Lisa Wu and Kim dynamic was really interesting to me because like Lisa was fully just like, I still don't really like you. Like, we've been fully tipsy. She goes, she goes, I hated you for so long. And then she goes, I didn't hate you. I take that back. And then I was like, she was arguing with herself at one point. Like, you could tell that Kim has, like, been a demon in her head for years now.

Right. And I think with Atlanta, it's interesting because, because Deshaun and Lisa didn't stay on the show for very long. The OG group doesn't feel as, like, iconic as a group as some of the other franchises, Whereas like you have people like Candy and Cynthia who came in in, you know, season two and three. And like that's really like the iconic core of Atlanta. It's kind of like Joe from OC. Yeah. You know, first season of OC.

And then you're like, you know, she she kind of missed that whole wave when it exploded on social media. Right. Like Kimberly didn't want to stay and be in the sun anymore. She had to go to Chicago to get out of the sun. But Deshaun, especially like I think the waiter had more lines in that scene than Deshawn. Like Deshawn was a glorified extra and it was just like a really quick. And you're right. Without any kind of context of why we're here, it completely kneecapped that scene for me.

Yeah. And it's going a few episodes back when they did that like throwback at it and they used the like the old card. The title card, but they edited NeNeat out. Like after that kind of uproar and they ended up, you know, taking that out of the episode that's on Peacock. Like, it feels like they're kind of trying to, like, stir up, like, gin up the nostalgia for Atlanta. And, like, I just, I think the nini piece of it is a big thorn in the side of any kind of Atlanta legacy nostalgia conversation. Because it's like, she really was that show for such a long time. This is where I would love, and I know legalities and all of that stuff.

But it's kind of like, I would love this Bravo investigative unit that did, like, two hours. documentaries like the curious case from Natalia Grace where it's like it shows to new audiences the history of Nini. Yeah. The good, the good and why it got bad and potentially why she wouldn't be able to come back on the show. Just so the casual viewer would be like, well, I see her in every meme everywhere. Why can't she come back? People have to realize there's a very specific reason for these things. But yeah, nostalgia, you have, there's no way you can talk about Atlanta without talking about Nini, but then Nini herself put herself in a precarious position. Mm-hmm.

So how do you feel about Kim? Would you like to see more of her next season if she was kind of willing to open up? I was thinking about this when I was waiting for my coffee this morning. Kim, who was now happily married once again. She's good. She's going to church. Everything's good. There was police cam video released yesterday about, you know.

No, I was thinking about this. I would almost rather see Kim's journey if the Kroy stuff, if her and Kroy were. we're separating, her pretending to be don't be tardy with all the kids and Kroy and stuff like that. We've seen that. We had many seasons of that show. And if we're going to just pretend and gloss over the insanity that just went down in her life, you know, either that or you have the Bravo fan that, you know, all the rage right now is to say that everything is scripted. Everything is fake.

Everything is a ploy to get back on the show. Everything is, you know, everything is a conspiracy, which I don't necessarily agree with. I think something was definitely wrong in that relationship. but I would almost be curious to see where Kim goes without Croix. I would be interested in that journey of her trying to flirt with guys or get another big Papa or something like that. Yeah, the Emancipation of Kim Solciac. You just said that right now.

I bet I tell you she will release an album called that next year. The emancipation of Kiki. I feel like she's the kind of person that would put on her Instagram poll. Like do a poll. Should I stay with Kroy and whatever happens wins, you know. You guys, you bought so many of the lip kits. now we're going to do the next poll is the link of my like divorce kit

but also like I remember that scene at the dinner table was so boring that I said man Kim's wigs have improved so much over the years I was like these are like such better quality wigs than from where she started yeah so good so good so good

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It's time for a little in-person spring treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. I don't know. I mean, I think you kind of raise an interesting point that it's like the idea of things being scripted. And maybe we only want to see these people if they're really actually going to let us in. And I thought about that this week with the news that Beverly Hills is apparently going back into filming now that to cover the Kyle and Mauricio scandal, which first of all,

it's not a scandal. It's no, you know, it's very, I mean, they seem to be an agreement on statements. They, I mean, there was a little confusion on separation and blah, blah, blah. And of course, with, you know, friendships had by Kyle right now. But I mean, all that stuff will come out when they wanted to come out. But a scandal, like a scandal of all, like it would, it would mean that like you would have to have Mauricio cheating with Doree. Right. And it'd be like, oh, cameras definitely need to get back up. I thought we were going to get some grainy iPhone footage of like Erica's reaction of like,

I can't believe it. They seem so good. You know, like I thought that's what we were going to get. But like full cameras up almost seems like, yeah, I mean, business is booming for things like this right now. Right. Like we would see like a little smirk from Sutton and she's like, well, I feel I feel really bad that Kyle's going through that, but, you know, she can be difficult sometimes. Like, you know, but. I say, I'll say. I don't know. I mean, you know, she, she sometimes gets a little

attitudey. But when you, when you think about the idea of this, you know, it used to be exceedingly rare for them to be like, we got to get the cameras back up and like cover this in real time. It's like, what's happening? Like, yeah, what? are we covering in real time? They were posting pictures together in Aspen. They left Aspen. They're back home. Like, are we watching them just like not, I don't know. Like, like, like, like, like, cowboy hats. I mean, like that is really, I do, I am curious. I mean, the only thing that I would actually find interesting is, I mean, Kyle is so protective of her image anyways. You know, like I said, the big obstructions in her life seem to be with her family in

terms of her sisters, but in terms of Mauricio, it always seems like a somewhat united front, even with rumors throughout the years. And Kyle is very protective of that image. So the amount of questions that are being thrown at her, not only on her marriage, but her friendships right now, really seems to be, I would imagine, just work Kyle's last nerve for who she is as a person. So it really is in her court and what she's willing to share and what she feels like sharing. And that's like a big step for somebody that's been on reality television this long and for this big of a thing to happen to all of a sudden want to share all of that, I would be so here for it. But part of me, the skeptical part of me says, there's no way she would ever do that.

I just, I, unless she's being encouraged and like really, this is that, the emancipation of Kyle. Everybody's, everybody's emancipated. Everybody's free. I think, yeah, it's tough to imagine, especially seeing Kyle being the, um, the comments, clapback warrior that she is the last week or So, you know, like there was another one that I saw yesterday where she was like, if you like to read into every little thing, like read into this middle finger emoji. And it's like, Kyle. Can we also, can we also calm down with what we call a clapback? Like, you know, some of these are just comments back. Like a clapback, like this truly devastating clapback.

And I read that same thing. I was like a middle finger emoji. Like it's like when my dad first discovered emojis, I would never like he sent me the crazy goofy I won every time. And I wouldn't be considered that a Bill Bailey clapback. I mean, I think the most devastating thing about it is that Kyle has been in the public eye for her entire life and still has the world's thinnest skin. I would that see? And that's one of the weirdest entertaining. See, and that's so horrible.

But as a Bravo fan, you know that. And you know that it gets to her. Like, so even if like a TMZ walk and talk, they get her at that gas station with a cigarette and she's, you know, there's an interesting thing is that even, yeah, like since a kid and she still, you can get her so easily. you know, she really does pay attention to Instagram comment. She pays attention to all of that. And I always thought the best thing about being a celebrity of any sort would be that you didn't care about that. And I was so sadly mistaken.

Like they care so deeply. That's something that when I talk to Housewives and Bravo Labs and stuff, I always think it's fascinating to talk about their approach to social media because it varies so widely that some are like, oh, yeah, I read everything. I'm on Reddit. Like I, you know, I have to know. And some people are like, oh, I don't use Twitter. I, you know, basically somebody else is running my Instagram.

Like people really figure out kind of what works for them. But then it's like, is it working? I mean, and also I think a lot of us read things about ourselves or read things about others just to get angry. You know, we are in such that culture of I want to be angry. I want to be angry at Raquel. I want to be angry at Tom. I want to be angry, like myself included, where I would just start feeding myself information that I know would upset me. And I sometimes feel like you can't help but look.

It's that like eternal car crash. And Bravo is such a great place to go because there's always going to be a character that you disagree with. It's pro wrestling. You know, there's always going to be a villain. And you can switch that from season to season. I mean, you truly can,

but it's something that's going to make you feel so passionate. And I think that's what's not there with Atlanta. You're not fully passionate about any of these ladies as a group or solo, even though there's legends on this cast. Yeah, I think that's a good. good call on Atlanta because it's like individually, I think everyone in the cast brings a lot to the table.

Drew, by the way, sharing so much. I mean, that sister's mental health conversation was so intense. I mean, Drew, and we know Drew potentially shares the fallout of the Ralph relationship. I have always been like a sometimes ironically, but like I'm here for Drew because I, she just entertains me. And this season, it's a, it's in a little bit of a heavier place. I preferred to like drop it with Drew delusion. Did I miss the Drop It With Drew?

Like, is she still dropping it with Drew, or have we moved on to videos and potential TV and movies? I think Drop It With Drew has been dropped in favor of returning to her, quote, unquote, career, which seems... I don't mean that as shade to her acting achievements. I just mean, like, that's what she considers to be, like, her true career. And now she wants to reclaim that, and she's doing music. Like the midseason trailer being themed around her like borderline pornographic music video. I'm just like, what are we doing here? Did you kiss this girl?

I mean, like I will say, I mean, uh, bisexuals are having a huge year on Bravo, potentially. Like, it really is this storyline. Taylor Armstrong, honey, let it out. Did you know Taylor Armstrong got a five year related? No, that was used to me. And I thought I was like, wait a sec. How did this never come up on Beverly Hills? Just casually.

How did it ever not come up? Because honestly, I think going back to Beverly Hills in 2010 or whenever they were filming, I think that would have seemed scandalous. And she was in that toxic marriage with Russell. Like, I think that would have been kind of something that it's like, oh, we don't want to speak about that. Whereas now it's like, yeah, I did it a girl. Which is growth left to see it.

Well, and the biggest growth is I think there was only two lines after that from other cast members. If I didn't know, I didn't know. And then Shannon goes, well, I had a nasty UTI this week. That was the lid. I mean, I was like, that truly is growth. This would have been a four episode arc. Right. And somebody would have tried to, like, expose her.

And it would have been this whole thing. Yeah. And she just owned it. It was normal. And like, by the way, I was like, oh, cool. I was just more concerned. I blamed myself going, did I not pay attention to an entire season of Beverly Hills where this had come out?

No, I don't, I don't think that was something that was spoken about back back then in the 2010. Has Brandy Glantville commented on this at all? Like she was like, oh, Taylor can be on Ultimate Girls trip, but I can't now. Brandy, uh, Brandy's commenting about lots of things. I don't, I don't try to keep up anymore. She's, I mean, she still tweets up a storm. Drinking and tweeting is still her brand.

I mean, yeah, I think she just calls it tweeting now. Like, it's like you assume that that's what's happening. And the only fans of it all, like I, somebody said, oh, she just did a photo shoot with, from Danadie Kane. Aubrey O'Day. And then I go to Aubrey O'Day's Instagram and there was a photo, it was like a Fourth of July photo

of like, come to our only fans to see what we've got cooking. And I was like, this, this simulation has gone too far. Like I almost want her back on Bravo just to protect her from Aubrey O'Day photo shoots. Yeah, she's going to get Photoshopped into like every country on earth.

One of my favorite, like, social media, like, air quote scandals, was Aubrey O'Day photoshopping herself into like Thailand and Bali. And she got called out and she was like, it's my art. She was like, I create my art. She was like, I create what I want. And it's like, yes, queen. Yes, mama.

Work. Wait, wait, wait. I was thinking about Atlanta last night. The commercials, like the, you know, in-house marketing that they do for like movies and stuff. like, you know, Garcell did a Barbie ad and stuff. Yeah, so good. Which, which Housewives cast will do an in episode Oppenheimer trailer? Like, I'll tell you what's a true atomic bomb.

They're going to, they should do like an old Atlanta marathon. And then on the episode where Mama Joyce is like, they said they was going to blow Fedra the fuck up. They can like edit Oppenheimer into that. It's like, do you know what you've created? Yeah. Christopher Nolan said he was going to blow. Fager the fuck up.

I would just I would watch a whole hour of those commercials. Like, you know, like, yeah. Do you remember the Atlanta one they did? Like for Dr. Strange multiverse of madness? Oh my God. And it was just like, I think was it Cherie? And she just like, they like zoom.

It was so bizarre. Some of them works so all. Like Garcel doing Barbie. Great. I'm totally down for it. It's a little tougher when they try to integrate it. into the show like they did with New York a few years ago when they saw the hustle that Anne Hathaway and Rebel Wilson movie.

And they were like, oh yeah, I thought the film was great. And did she remind you of Tinsley at all? I remember the Real House of Orange County one from like six years ago with Tamara and Shannon Bador for like Terminator. Like it was like these are movies that don't think Shannon Bador would ever see. Shannon Bredor would be so uncomfortable watching a Terminator movie. She'd be like, I, he, he, he, like, I, I, I just don't want my daughters to be around people like this.

Yeah, unless she has three drinks in her and then she's great. Honestly, though Arnold Schwarzenegger, probably Shannon's type. Oh, big time. And I was, I'm reading this book about action heroes right now. Like, action stars like Schwarzenegger and Stallone. And I didn't realize, like I knew he cheated with like the maid and stuff. But I didn't realize when he was coming up in the 70s and 80s, what an appetite. Like, he was just, he would just bring girls back to the trailer.

And he was like, we would explore each other's bodies because we loved it so much. Like, it was just, it was, it's a, it was a different time. It was, and the competition between him and Stallone was insane. Shannon could have been one of them. You never know. Could have been. You don't know. Maybe it was.

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Taylor Armstrong full of surprises. I'm really loving her. on OC this season. It's the per, see now, realize it's, so we come off Vanderpump rules, it's so intense, all of that stuff.

So then realize those are Orange County starts. And like, I was like, okay, slow start, but it's back to basics. And then if you compare it with Atlanta, that's what, like, why am I enjoying Orange County? And Atlanta sometimes feels like,

you know, walking up a hill. And I just think certain seasons are like that. But it's the, it's complete inane, uh, fights. I mean,

to fight over IMDB is truly, like a gift to fight over movie credits, to fight over like, you know, Heather DeBrow going like, I am a working woman that put my career away for my kids as many women do in this country. And now I am coming back to Hollywood and see if there are parts for somebody like me. And for you, Taylor, to make fun of that. It's truly impassioned these performances. And I really, I genuinely look forward to it now each week this season. I think the IMDB fight is just.

delicious to me. I think the Tamara and Shannon you know, working on the repairing their relationship, that feels like something that we've been waiting for. And then I think also the kind of bizarre mystery of figuring out what the fuck Jen Padranti has

going on in her personal life. Like, all of these things are actually entertaining to me. Whereas on Atlanta, it's like, I like all the people individually, but then there's spending three weeks fighting about somebody getting shot? Like, that's not fun. Well, also there's in O.C., there's group reactions as opposed to Atlanta where it seems

very separated in terms of like, but like the Ryan Jen thing, everybody has expressed an opinion on that. Like, it's like, it's triggering me. I can't believe what's going on. Like, it's too much where she, like the last episode, she just walked off into the darkness in the woods. She was like, I can't, I can't. And it's like, what I got so confused by Gina's reaction.

that I thought Jen cheated with Matt, her ex-husband for a second. I was like, how is it this strong of a reaction? And I mean, I just think that is, it's firing on all cylinders because it's weird, but they're at a point where they're all listening. And like Tamara, it shows you why she truly is untouchable in certain ways because she has this gift. I don't know if it's God-given, but like everybody should know Tamara's battle plan at this point.

She's always does the same thing. And nobody, I mean, Emily did it in a talking head. but she wasn't on the trip, is that she literally will talk smack about you and then lie to your face and said she didn't. And that person will always believe Tamara. Be like, I have no reason to doubt her. I'm like, you have 10 seasons of reasons to doubt her. That's all she does.

The same. And it works every time for her. Right. Like, Jen coming onto the show as Tamara's friend. And then within five episodes, Tamara is, you know, explaining to Gina or explaining to, explaining to, um, explaining to, to Heather and Taylor why she has issues with Jen and the way she's handled things and you know how Ryan walked into

cut fitness and said he wanted to fuck her and it's like what and then by the end of the episode like Gina's bringing it up and Tamara seems like the bad guy but then Jen is like no I understand that's what I'm like no you don't understand like it ends well like they always the other person in the scene with Tamara will end with

but I do want to be friends with you and I love you and Tamara you can always tell me like it worked again I love you you too and want to be friends with you as well. It's so, I almost want now to, I'd never thought I would say this. I want her to bring on Freddie Mellencamp now. Just because I think, I color Freddie, I think Freddie would be like, great, I'm back on. And then within three episodes, Tamara would throw her under the bus so damn hard, her head would spin. Right. Like, what's worth more your podcast contract or your housewife's contract? I'm saying. I don't think

Teddy would see it coming. And Tamara is just so damn good at this. I do want to also point out, I enjoy Yellowstone, the show. Like, I, I've enjoyed it. It's ridiculous. But Tamara, son, Ryan must have watched that show and fallen such in love with that show that he made it his entire personality. Did you notice the throwback to him? He's like, well, back on the ranch has been, it's critic crazy. It's a lot of space up.

How did his accent completely, is he the Madonna of like Montana? Like, this is so bizarre to me. Also, like, Montana is not Texas. Like, what is the accent? Like he had a full accent. There was a full, well, back up there. It's a lot of peace and quiet, mom. I want you to buy a ranch and I could run it.

I'm like, that's ridiculous. If my mom ever saw that I changed my accent completely, I don't think she'd be rushing out to buy me a ranch. Like, no. I hope Ryan is doing well. Oh, he finally found it. Dylan, no, he's all good. This is he finally found his purpose, according to his mom.

It's good. He found his promised land up in Montana. I, yeah, no, I think it's, it's kind of inspiring to see Tam. Amra come back after a couple seasons off and really immediately be the alpha in the group and kind of the pivot point that all of the issues are revolving around. The first two episodes were bumpy. Yeah. And like she like yelled on that boat and I was like, well, that's, you're overdoing it.

And then she found her footing. And it's like no time has passed. And she literally is Queen B now. I feel like, I mean, she is alpha to me. Right. Like she has Shannon basically, you know, within five episodes, Shannon's like, please be friends again. I mean, she kept saying, I'm going to be tentative,

I'm going to be cautious, and within five, they're kissing in this past episode. Right, and it's like, Gina has a total, like, you know, rage boner for Tamara. Like, she, like, she wants to take her down. Jen is only there because of her. Taylor is only there because of her.

Like, Heather clearly feels like they're kind of the main characters, the two of them. And it's like, yeah, like, Tamara just, like, is the centerpiece of this show. I feel bad for Shannon, though, because in that Shannon Tamara relationship, when Tamara speaks about like the loss of friendship and love,

Tamara is actually talking about the show itself. She's not talking about the friendship with Shannon. She's like, I miss the show. I'm in love with the show. But when Shannon's talking about the relationship with Tamara, I think Shannon truly believes they were best friends. I don't think for a minute that Tamara

thought her and Shannon were best friends. I think she wanted to be best friends with the show. And when she was kicked off the show, she was pissed at anybody that stayed on. Yeah, I mean, we've seen a lot of kind of like, like the archetypal housewives friendships that are like not there it's not that they're not real friendships but they're also like lucrative businesses like brands in a way that it's like you have you know reasonably shady and like all these other podcasts that are happening you have you know

Luann and sonia getting a whole spin off show together you have people going on tour together like the trace amigos are doing a live show yeah yeah in in yeah i don't know like sombreros you in a residency You ever, I mean, everybody has something. I think people, it's, I think Shannon is the kind of person where like, I think she is a little bit naive in the sense that it's like, this old Trace Amigos thing, it's like, yeah, all three of you, you know, have loved each other and had great times. But it's like, you're also, Trace Amigos is a well-liked brand on a TV show. Yeah. That Tamara is a pretty savvy person. and that, you know, she's talking about cut fitness closing and it's on to the next chapter.

And it's like the next chapter for her is like reclaiming her housewife's crown. But also I don't, what was going down at cut fitness? Cut fitness seemed like more than a gym now. It seems like a potential swinger opportunity. Like people like when I would go to LA Fitness, which hasn't been for a very long time, I wouldn't even look up. Like there was no like me like, ah, that person right there. I'm going to screw that person.

Cut fitness. And it doesn't seem like a huge facility. So you would really notice if somebody. is just going, I'm going to bang that one right there. Yeah, it's like the number one spot for 40-somethings who are probably married to go. I'm saying like, of course he's going to say this. I think this is Cut and Fitness's bread and butter. Come do something weird while you work out.

Yeah, the amount of people over the years that have been casually referred to is like, well, we met at Cut Fitness or like, well, we were hanging out at Cut Fitness. Then he was there, and then we got to talking, and then, you know, we got to flirting, and then whatever. And it's like, how many people are just like, At cut. Well, and also a lot of these stories, I mean, I hate to break it. You know, like, seemed like they happened during COVID.

They were like, yeah, two years ago. I was like, two years ago, I was going back. I was like, wasn't I in like, I just had to stay in my room during that time? Like, they're fully working out and having relations. Yeah. I don't, I don't know if we want to get too like deep into the pandemic time. Because they're like, yeah, so, um, we met in April 2020. And then in June, we went on vacation together.

It's like, wait, what? I didn't understand the D-pick in the plane. Oh, God. I didn't understand that because Jen, you know, for Ryan, like, no, he meant to send that to me. I was right next to him. I'm like, why? I mean, I didn't even understand why you would send a D-pick if you were right next to somebody on the plane.

And she's like, I even know what it said. And I'm like, why would you stand? I'm so confused. Okay. I think I don't, maybe we need like a seating chart of the plane. But I think she mentioned that they were sitting like across from each other or like in a, in a different row. So they were like on the plane together, but they weren't seated next to each other necessarily.

But also I was picturing a private plane and I was also, I had just thrown over on Delta and I was like, so he paid for the Wi-Fi to send that? I was like, wow, because then he had a Wi-Fi connection up there to send the picture and they accidentally sent it to the wrong person. I was so confused about the, that's what Bravo sometimes says so poorly. And I think that's by design is that like there are so many specific questions I want to ask. Like I want everybody to watch the footage, everybody throw in, what do you think happened? And then when I want to go to Ryan and a talking head, like explain exactly what happened, show me your phone. Like I want to deep dive these little small moments. Yeah.

I mean, maybe I'm giving Jen the benefit of the doubt in pretending I understand this explanation because I don't necessarily believe the story. But she also makes it sound like the man has like six total contacts on his phone. She's like, well, it's me. His kids. one friend and his mom. Who else would he be texting? It's like, does he have like a, do you remember back in the day? They would have like those like phones that were just for kids.

And it was like a like. Or the phone you give your grandma. Yeah, like a dummy flip phone that you put like five numbers into. And it's like emergency, daughter, caretaker. But see, Jen, I love Jen. I think Jen's a great newbie because she's completely genuine right now. There's not. And I, you know, you see it in how she's shocked about how Tamara's treating her.

She doesn't seem to really understand how everything works yet. And she's being completely genuine and open. And she's even saying, I feel horrible about what I did. You know, like Will, I feel horrible. You know, I loved him so much. You know, and she's really sticking to the story of I didn't cheat, I didn't cheat. And every one of these ladies is trying to pull this out of her. At the same time, you can tell this truly tortures her.

Like for the time right now, it's that nice space where I actually really genuinely like Jen, even though I think, yeah, of course there's secrets there. she's very ashamed of this relationship and however it started. Yeah. I think she's doing fine this season. I feel like I am still on the outside looking in, and I don't feel like I know anything about her aside from yoga and this whole relationship situation. And I'm like, I don't know if I like, I don't know if you seem like a fun girl or like a, you know.

She has tons of kids. She fosters animals. I mean, like there's seems to be a lot. going on. She does the yoga business. We just haven't really tapped into any of, like, we know it, but the main storyline that everybody's hitting on is Ryan. And we're only, what, six or seven episodes in where it's that kind of thing in the housewives where every, uh, every one of those OC ladies are going like, is that a storyline? Let me hop on it. Is that a storyline? Like, what's the storyline? It's like improv actors trying to feel their way around a scene. So everybody's like,

this Ryan thing has mileage. I'm going to be offended by it. It's like blood in the water. Like, they're all like, okay, this works. This works. This works. Yeah. And, IMDB and this, you know, like IMDB, yeah. Suddenly, we're not all talking about why Shannon and John seemingly don't really like spending time together. Oh, like that. Like, I wanted a FaceTime call to John. I wanted a drunken Shannon Bador trying to have, like, sexy time with John Jansen on the ranch. I'm like, howdy, partner, you know, and John Jansen always seems like he's one, one comment away from completely unraveling.

He just seems so buttoned up, you know. And like one foot out the door on the whole Shannon. Bador experience. I mean, the fact that he broke up with her, like, right after filming, I just imagine, like, did he have some sort of mental calendar in his mind of, like, D-Day? Like, okay, filming then. And by the way, if this, if the breakup happened now, cameras would go back up for O.C. You know, cameras would go, like, we got to get the, we got to capture the John Jansen

Bador. God, I mean, like, for Shannon's sake, thank God that didn't happen because just picturing, like, Shannon just like be reft not knowing what to do with herself. I'm like, yeah, you don't want to. You can't go there. I have friends at Liv and O.C. that bump into her all the time. She hangs out with John Jansen nonstop.

Yeah, they've posted pictures together. And she literally will like hashtag, not together. Just friends. Don't ask. My friend Millie saw them and went up and said, I'm a big fan. She was with her mom. You know, they were talking. And she goes, John was there.

She goes, by the way, we're not together. And John was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like I'm like, wow. Like this is amazing. Like she's telling strangers that watch, like, well, we're not together. So I know what you think. We're not together. She's like, don't go on Reddit.

And pause it. A theory. I love the fact of, like, picturing Chandabador trying to figure out Reddit and trying to go down those rabbit holes. Because I know the Vanderpump Rules cast really, they admit that they just are on Reddit all the time. Like, the Vanderpump Rules cast, I think part of what made Scandival, like, the thing that it was is that they're all, like, very online and like savvy enough to get it. But like with Shannon, it's like watching, she, she does that ship station.

She's like, I picture the same way she talks about like, our process was painfully slow. Like that's her trying to figure out her at it. But I'll, when Shannon says a word like painfully though, beingfully slow. The way she says it, you really like, you imagine how painful it genuinely was. You're like, I can see Shannon flipping out. I can see Shannon. Like everything, I don't know.

It's just so amazing. Then you compare her. Even as a mom, she's just so like, girls, I told you, I went, do I need to get a babysitter for you, girls? Like, I mean, you know not to have boys in the upstairs, upstairs floor. Yeah. And then Heather DeBrow is just like, you know, sending a private jet with her kids to colleges. Like, it's like, it's really fascinating to see these two moms and how they, I don't know. The mom aspect of OC, I do find interesting as well.

Yeah. And it's, sometimes we see it more than others. But like, Shannon's kids have been on TV for a long time now. Yeah. She's been, I think we, we forget how. long Shannon has been on Housewives. I mean, I think she, like eight seasons. And by the way, it's really, that's why sometimes with Tamara coming back, it was like,

um, it was, it was like that season that Stasi came back and I thought, oh, Katie was starting to find her voice. Katie was almost becoming like more and more bearable on that, uh, Vanderpump rules. And I was like, oh, Stasi's coming back. And I was like, maybe don't be friends with her immediately so you can still find your own voice. And that was the thing with Shannon.

I was like almost, Shannon, I think is. going to be great regardless of who's with her. She's a very interesting person and she comes at life very, very differently. And that's what I'm like, you don't need Tamara or Vicky. And then Tamara's back and you can tell how much Shannon truly has an affinity for Tamara. Like she truly loves Tamara. Yeah. Well, Shannon's still working on finding her voice, but yours is here with us.

And I'm so glad. Ryan, tell everyone where they can listen to your podcast and everything. Oh, God. I want this to go. So bad it's good with Ryan Bailey. We just did an O.C. recap, but a lot of pop culture stories. Britney Spears memoir, which I'm very excited about. Cameras going back on Beverly Hills, the Oppenheimer Barbie, the Barbie movie premiere.

What movie premiere happens on a Sunday? The Jonah Hill text we're covering. What movie premiere happens on a Sunday is the week that the actors are about to go on strike. So by Thursday, there might not be a premiere to be had. Is that why? Yes. I didn't. Thank you, Dylan.

See, that'll be an addendum tomorrow. the Jonah Hill text we talk about. Too much is happening in pop culture right now. So come check it out if you want to. And then on Instagram, so bad it's good with Ryan Bailey. And I get on threads now. Threads.

Oh yeah. Plug the threads. I'm threading, you guys. Threading. I will say it is fun. It's kind of that nice first episode of a housewife season where everything's nice right now

before it gets completely nasty. Yeah. Even though I did make like a grammar error error and I immediately had four people correct me. So I'm like, ah, this is like Twitter. The judgey-wajis are over there. The one comment of like,

you're like, ah, it'll never be any other way. Well, thank you, Ryan. Always a pleasure. And thank you everyone

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