Mention It All - Please Define ‘Gaslighting’ Ft. Evan Real (RHOA)

Episode Date: May 9, 2022

Dylan is joined by Page Six’s Evan Real, and they start by getting into their thoughts on the new season of RHOA. Evan shares some insights from interviewing Drew and Kandi, and they unpack how they’re feeling about Drew’s marriage nightmare. Later, they discuss Teresa’s behavior this season on RHONJ, and why Dolores (and a lot of viewers) may finally be jumping ship from the Tre train. Finally, they chat about the upcoming season of RHUGT, and who Evan is most excited to see. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer. And today I am so excited to be joined by somebody I love to hear talk about Bravo. He is a senior TV reporter at page six. Please welcome Evan Real. Hi. Oh, my God.

Hi, Dylan. This is like such an honor to be on this podcast. I'm such a fan of you and everything that you do with Bravo by Bitches. It's just incredible. I honestly, I was fan girling when you tagged me in your story, the Candy Burris story, about how her spin-off has gay men and Bannerpump Rules doesn't. And I was like, someone's listening. Someone's paying attention.

I like, I kind of pushed hard for that headline and they accepted it. And then, I don't know. I felt like a small but mighty. portion of the Bravo fandom appreciated it. I wish that it had caught on a bit more, though. Well, I feel like, I mean, criticizing Vanderpump rules at this point is not difficult, but that's a specific thing where it's like, as much as, as much as Lisa Vanderpump is like, the gay, the gay icon of Bravo. It's like, where are the, where's the receipts? I know, I know that. It's so crazy that, like, sir is, like, situated in, like, the heart of, like,

gay Los Angeles and there's not one out gay person on the show. It's just, it's so wild. I was, by the way, speaking of Sir and Pump and all that, I was living for your very honest reviews. Yeah. I know. Cuisine at Pump and Sur. Wait, so you didn't like the goat cheese balls. I had the goat cheese balls at Tom Tom, not at Sir, but the ones at Tom Tom Tom were not, they weren't, I wasn't living the dream. Yeah. That's so funny. Well, Because when you were there that weekend, I went to, I went to serve that weekend with some people, too.

And we got the goat cheese walls. And I've had the goat cheese walls before at Vanderpump's establishments. And, like, I'm a fan. And then when I saw you dragging them, I was like, wait, like, is my palate not refined? Okay. So next time I'm in L.A., next time I'm in L.A., I got to go with you because you have, like, the good luck. And I guess so. I was very honest, but I will say, like, I know people who love eating at cert or whatever.

Like, I'm not, you know, my experience is one moment. Right. Well, I'm so excited to have you here today. We have a lot to talk about. Atlanta is back with a bang these last couple weeks. I've been loving the season. I want to hear about how you have enjoyed or not enjoyed these first couple episodes of the season. Well, I have heavily enjoyed these first couple episodes of this season.

I think, I don't know, it's a really cool dynamic with Marlowe as a full-time housewife for the first time. I like the new girl, Sonia. She's cool. And I think Drew is really bringing it. Ralph is also really bringing it in his own special way. And I find their story to be super, super fascinating. It makes me sad for Drew. That dinner from Sunday night's episode was just really tough to watch.

But I will say the Bravo editors, like, they just, they deserve all the Emmys, the, the gaslighting Ralph. And then also the producer who asked Drew to read the definition of what it means to gaslight someone in her confessional. And then Drew having this like light bulb moment, that was just, that was great. I mean, it made me sad for Drew, but like, I'm glad that she learned a new word. One that affects her. Yeah. Drew is one of those people where I don't know if I love her, but I really am fascinated by what is happening in her life right now. And I appreciate that I feel like she is really bringing it to the show and to us kind of warts and all.

And I think last season people were critical of her. Maybe she didn't click with the group super well. But I really do feel like her dynamic with Ralph is so interesting. And I just like need to know what's going to happen. And I wish I could fast forward in time a year or two and know like what the conclusion of this story is. But it's like it feels so raw and real. And like you're watching in real time as Ralph just like lets her down.

time and time again. And it's like, damn, like, I just want, I want them to be better, but I just don't know if that's, like, actually in the cards for them. Yeah, I just interviewed Drew, and I was asking her where she and Ralph stand today after all the assistant drama. And this was before I knew anything about that, like, dinner from hell. But she said they are, like, committed to marriage counseling. She wants to make this work. Her parents were together for 56 years, so she knows what it's like to fight and to make up and to just really push through to keep the family together. So she, you know, when talking to me, she seemed like very committed to staying with Ralph. But like you said, I wish we could fast forward to years because I feel like, and I love my girl, Drew,

like we got a little relationship going on. But, you know, I'm loyal to Drew. I want the best for Drew. And if this marriage with Ralph isn't that, then I hope she finds a way to, make her life easier. And I wonder what that looks like in two years, like you said, whether it's without Ralph or whether they make some sort of magical breakthrough in marriage counseling. I'm sure we'll see it all unfold on Atlanta.

Yeah, this week's episode, it was tough to watch as she's getting ready for this surprise evening. He's flying in glam. He's dressing her up like she's a pop star. You know, that outfit, that was an outfit. And she's being whisked away to. someplace and then it's like this beautiful castle roof looking thing that I guess this is like Taylor's workshop that was strange but then it's like the second they actually have to sit down and talk to each other it's like oh we're we're not actually making any progress here I know yeah

it was really rough I loved when she walked into the I guess his tailors tailoring shop whatever it was and she was like I don't know I'm here but I'm here I guess when she got to the roof I mean it like it was nice. It was nice. The roof and the roses and the Beyonce dress and everything, but it's so funny how Ralph seems to be like embodying these sort of buzz terms, like gaslighting and love bombing and all the things that boyfriends and husbands are not supposed to do.

He's like, here I am, doing it all. Right. And his idea is clearly like, okay, I've done something nice for you. So now whatever we were arguing about is. erased and we're going to be good moving forward. Whereas for Drew, I think she has what seems like a much more realistic perspective on it where it's like, yeah, a nice surprise dinner is nice and I appreciate that and I like that gesture, but like we still have to talk about the fact that you're gaslighting me about this thing with your assistant. Like I think we see the men on

these shows a lot of the time be like, why are you still bringing this up? And it's like, because you didn't actually address it in any meaningful way. Like seeing kind of like Jennifer and Bill going through that a little bit this season on New Jersey where she's like, yeah, I'm actually not over this because we never really worked through it. We just kind of like stopped talking about it. Right. Yeah.

That's such a good point. Yeah, I feel like Drew really wants to work through it. And Ralph is like just trying to put a Band-Aid over it, which doesn't work because the band-aid always comes off at some point. What did you think about Candy and Todd's little argument this episode about the New Jersey crib and whether he's, you know, more dedicated to that than renovating their weird indoor pool that I didn't know they had? I didn't either. I had no idea they had this indoor pool. But I also thought it looked cute before. I was like into the tan tile. Like, like, why do I feel like, you know, like, why do they have to do all this? Anyways, that's beside the point. But I thought that was a really interesting scene because, you know, I think. I feel like Todd, and I interviewed Candy a little while ago, and she teased some of this in my interview with her. She says that Todd kind of feels like second to Candy in a lot of ways because she always

has like so much going on. It's like the spotlight's always on her. It's like it's her business and he's just kind of like playing a supporting character in like the Candy Burris Empire's story. So I feel like Todd probably, I don't know, like that's his New Jersey condo and that's his thing. and he's proud of it. And so he's going to prioritize that and not the weird underground pool that Candy built 20 years before she even met him. So, yeah, I thought it was, like, interesting. And now I, like, want to see the New Jersey condo. I know.

I want, I want them to come to New York. I think they do. I think they come maybe for the opening of her play. I know they were, like, here. But I don't know if they filmed that. It is kind of interesting because when we first, when Todd first came on the scene, there was, like, all of this kind of mysteriousness kind of fueled by Mama Joyce of like, oh, he's in it for the money or he's here for the wrong reasons. And I feel like we've like moved past that. But it seems more realistic to me that he would kind of feel a little bit like he is sort of a background character in all of this stuff that Candy has going on. And I think Candy is the kind of person where it's like she always, she always says she never misses a bag. And it's like, yeah, she's got all of this. stuff going on. And I can imagine that for someone in Todd's position, you would kind of feel like,

okay, like, I want you to succeed, but like, I'm kind of like over here, you know, being forgotten about. Right. And it kind of feels like they used to do more teen projects together back in the day. And they've kind of like split up a little bit, although I do think they are producing a second Broadway show together. So maybe that is going to help them. I hope so. I really, I think they're really cute together. I went to their wedding. You went to their wedding? Yeah, I went to their wedding because at the time I was working at In Touch Weekly and I was like a little baby reporter then. But I was like, I was on the print side and I reached out to Candy's publicist and I was like, I want the wedding exclusive so bad. Like, please, let's do it. And I worked it out and I got it.

Like 23 year old Evan was living his best damn life at the wedding. Like ever since going to that wedding. No other wedding. Like every other wedding just seems like fucking lame because that wedding had like lions and tigers and performance by Belle Biv DeVot and I was at the same table as Monica. Like I was literally like angel of mine was playing and I was like sitting next to Monica. It was the best night of my life. It was so much fun. I did the wobble with Mama Joyce. The food was bomb. It was incredible. I can't remember like in when in time this was, were there other women from the show at the wedding? Yeah, this was back when Candy and Fajah were still friends. So Fajer was there, Portia was there, Nini was not there.

Cynthia was there? I can't remember if Cynthia was there or not. I think she was. I think she was. But, yeah, it was a good time. It was April 4th, 2014 because, like, I'll always remember that because Candy was, like, telling me how, like, she loves the number four, kind of like, Beyonce. Wow, they've been married.

for eight years. Isn't that crazy? It is wild sometimes. Like, obviously, I know in my mind that this show has been on for like 14 years now, but still I'm like, no, no, no. If they met on the show, that means they must have only been married for like four years. Right. I know.

Eight years really goes by fast. And it's also, I always find the genesis of their relationship so interesting because he was like a producer on the show and then like they fell in love. And I always thought like the show did a really interesting job of like, acknowledging it, but not so much that you actually remember it. Like, it's just like there's like before Todd and after Todd. And that was definitely back in an era when like the fourth wall wasn't really broken. Like ever.

I feel like now, now they might kind of like go about that in a little different way because things seem to be a little bit more fluid. Like the producer telling Trudeau, Google gaslighting on her phone, like stuff, moments like that that I think can be really interesting. Like, I feel like 10 years ago, they just wouldn't have gone there. Totally. Yeah, I love it when they break the fourth wall on any reality show. It just makes it feel, it always feels so, like, spicy and, like, raw.

Like, the, going back to, like, the Salt Lake City trip to Zion when Lisa is, like, taking off her mic pack, like, you just can't, like, it's just a moment that it's, like, I can't get over it. Like, my blood pressure is racing. And I'm like, I'm, you know, like, I'm. You know, like, I don't know. I just can't. It's, it is like those moments when they happen and they're unexpected like that.

Like, there's just nothing quite like it. Yeah. It feels like I shouldn't be watching it or like knowing this information. And I feel like so lucky to be in on it. I don't know. I know. Totally. So good.

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Well, I love Chiray and I love Kenya so much. I always say that Kenya is probably my favorite housewife of all time. And I love Chiray. Not as much, but I'm a big fan. And so to see them link up and to finally have moved past the more manner, Chateau Chiré drama, I love it. I'm so all about that. And it's incredible to see Chateau Chetre all. Like, it is a hotel.

Like, it is really... The basement is the basement as... The lounge? With like the... You could literally seat 50 people. As Gina would say, this house is legit. Yeah, but really, though. I would, oh my God, I would love for Chorre

to give Gina a tour of Chateau Choray. That needs to be like a Bravo TV, Bravo Insidered little video. That, yeah, free idea right here. Just fly Gina around the country to different housewives' homes and just give her a, tour and film her reactions because like she's like the towel bar is heated what that would be that

would be brilliant that I mean it's what we need but yeah I'm I love seeing them together and it's the kind of thing where like I'm just happy they're both here and I don't care if they stay friends but I'm having fun watching them have these little moments together and say with Marlowe like I feel like Marlowe has always been in the mix, obviously, but having her really get that, like, screen time and that attention that I feel like she's deserved for a long time. It's just so satisfying after seeing her on the show for so many years. I know, I know. I've loved Marlowe for so long, despite the F slur of it all.

I, like, I expressed my love for Marlowe the other day on the internet, and, like, I got, I got some of that, which, like, I'll acknowledge it. She did say the F slur. the show and that was not cool. But I think we're all capable of growth and I'd like to think that Marlowe would not say that today. Anyway, that is all to say.

I am forgiving Marlowe and I'm happy to see her on the show. I love that she has a peach. She's put in so much work. And she's been so consistent and persistent and she's never really given up the dream. And it finally came. I mean, this is like the best example of like what happens. happens when you put in the work. Like just, you know, work hard and good things will come, even if it's like 10 years later.

I know. It was one of those things where I feel like a couple years ago, it would be like, oh, well, like, Marlowe said she doesn't want a peach or like this is the reason why she's not a housewife. Like she doesn't want to show off XYZ. And now that it's finally happened, it's like, no, this feels this feels right. I feel like we, this was a long time coming. And even if she doesn't, I mean, who knows how long she'll stay on the show or whatever. But like, like, in housewives history, like she deserves to be like a housewife. Totally. Totally. Totally. It almost feels, it feels right, but it almost feels a little unreal too. Like every time her like little lower third pops up, I'm like, is this actually happening? Am I seeing Marlowe as a full-time housewife? I love it. Yeah. And you can tell, like, these women are all just such professionals. And the scene when Kenya and Chiray are at in the basement at Chateau Chiray,

and Kenya bringing up this assistant story that we, we've heard from Candy and through Drew that apparently Drew's assistant used to work for Shire and maybe Shiree didn't pay him. Like, this is like the reality TV game of telephone that I feel like we need. And I just love like just they're doing their jobs so beautifully. And I don't even really care about this storyline, but I just love that they have something to be messy about. Totally.

And I also love the assistant. He is such a personality. and was like made for this. Like, he's not boring either. Like, I could just watch him. Candy Miss legendary, Burris. Yeah, yes. Okay, so when you talked to Drew,

did you get into this storyline at all? We didn't get into the assistant too much. No, we did not. But she has told me great things about him before. So I know she loves this guy. Yeah, it's, it is, it feels very messy. And it's the kind of thing that, like, On the one hand, I would totally believe that Shire might be a little bit late in paying

somebody that was working with her. But on the other hand, I could also see this being sort of a storyline used to cause some drama. And I'm like, I don't even care. I just like Kenya having like some little kernel of knowledge. And like when, um, with Ralph's assistant to like at the premiere at Marla's event when Candy was looking her up on Instagram. I'm like, this is the messiness that I need all of you to be operating on. Like, all of this assistant drama, I feel like it's just like setting us up for

success. Oh my God, absolutely. What I need to know now that, okay, so Candy was like looking her up on Instagram. And apparently there's this like Instagram post that they're all trying to decipher what it meant. Okay. We found her on Instagram. But then Ralph's over here talking about how she's 50 years old. I think kind of as a way to be like, don't worry about it. She's just 50. And like, 50-year-olds can have it going on. Five-year-olds can be high. Look at Jennifer Lopez. Like, 50-year-old, I feel like he was kind of like, you know, calm Drew's concerns by saying that.

Anyways, I need to know if she's actually 50 or not and what this woman is serving on IG. Right. The 50-year-old thing, and then when he follows that up, he's like, that means, Drew's like, what does that mean? And he's like, it means she was 12 when I was born. And I'm like, this feels like a big old way of like not actually addressing the question, which is like, A, is this assistant hot and B, like, what, if anything happened with her after she offered you a massage? And it's like, Ralph is one of those people where truly half of the stuff that he does. I'm like, you know you're on camera and all of us are going to see this and have a lot of thoughts.

and it's just going to make things like harder for Drew because now after these first couple episodes, the biggest talking point and like take away from the episodes is Drew and Ralph and like the way that he seems to be really just kind of like dragging her along. And I just, it's why like I feel like as a husband, you would recognize that it's like, oh yeah, even if we are, we have our issues like this really doesn't look good when I say this to you on camera. Right. But it's almost kind of a blessing that he isn't self-aware because, A, it makes for

great TV and it's like wonderful drama for us to take in as viewers. But because he is seemingly not self-aware, I feel like this is a helpful tool for Drew. Like, she can watch this back and be like, yo, this is what Ralph is doing. This is how he treats me. this is the true authentic Ralph. Now that I've seen it, that can inform me how to act, whether that is booking yet another marriage counseling appointment or possibly running away from Ralph.

I don't know. I do think, though, that without the Real Housewives of Atlanta, she wouldn't have this, like, mirror to look at her relationship. Like, I think this is going to be helpful for Drew. I don't know about for them, but I think for Drew having the show, and being able to view their relationship, like kind of from like an outside perspective. I think that can only help her.

Totally. And I think we've seen that, I mean, over the last decade plus on Real Housewives with so many couples, whether they end up together or apart, that it's like some of these people kind of live in their own bubble and then being able to see not see the footage back

and also see the way that people are responding. Like all of these people like us and everyone else watching that are like, no, we want the best for Drew. And like right now it doesn't seem like Ralph is giving her that or anywhere close to it. So like it really does feel like you can kind of have a little bit of an introspective moment and be like, damn, if a million people are watching this show and being like, girl, you deserve better, hmm. Well, that's the thing. I feel like everyone who is voicing their opinion, it's like supportive of Drew. Like, girl, we just want the best for you.

And this doesn't seem to be the best for you. So hopefully, hopefully all the, because there's going to be a lot of noise right now around her relationship. And I feel like it's going to follow her throughout the rest of the season because she told me that the mystery of his communication with this like massage therapist slash assistant 50 year old woman is like it lingers throughout the entire season. So she they're going to be getting hit every single Sunday. So I hope that she like feels the love and support that is laced throughout the criticism. Totally. Yeah, like it doesn't come from a place of like, LOL look at these clowns.

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Like the thing with Teresa is, you know, she's, she's Teresa. Like, like, it's, it's like, she is fundamentally who she is, like, no matter what situation she's in, whether she's, like, about to go to jail, whether she's, like, in her relationship with Juicy Joe, whether she's in this new relationship with, with Louie. Like, it's, like, she's the same person, but just, like, doing different things to, like, I don't know what I'm trying to say. Like, she's always frustrating me is what I'm trying to say. Like, no matter what she makes frustrating. decisions and I don't think her relationship with Louis brings out the best in her. When actually when I like think about it, I'm like, what did bring out the best in her? Like, I love the whole Namaste era.

But with Louie, she has certainly, she has, I don't even know if she has done a downward dog in how long. Like, she is not in her namestay era with him. Like, is she so combative. And it's because, I mean, it's because she is, I always call her Torres Teresa. She is, like, grounded. She is stuck in her. I don't know if you're a tourist. so I don't mean to offend you.

I'm not a choice. What are you? Go ahead. I'm a Gemini. Oh, perfect. I love Gemini. My boyfriend's a Gemini. I'm an Aquarius.

We got that air sign thing. We're not grounded. Teresa, she is so freaking grounded and she doesn't want to hear it. She doesn't like the criticism. So it's just like frustrating when like it's not like these people are complaining about trivial things. Like these are like serious allegations out there around. Louis. And so because she is like ride or die for Louis, all of her relationships, like with the

entire cast, say, for Jennifer Aden, like, the two of them are on their own little island. Like, no one actually likes them. So then, like, what happens? You know, like, I hate it when Housewives, like, island themselves. Because then it's, like, no one wants to film with you or be friends with you. Then it becomes, like, the Jennifer and Teresa show. I don't know. It's just, and I feel like kind of, like, part of the fandom. is over her. Like, have you been kind of seeing that too?

Yeah. And I think this season more than ever, I was just talking to Samantha Bush, Bravo historian about this, that it's like people, I think obviously Teresa's always been kind of a polarizing figure,

but this season more than ever, it feels like she's kind of almost like, she's like doing too much in a way that is causing a lot of people to kind of like check out from the, from the Teresa, the like halo, I guess. And I think it's hard because when she's like retreating into this love bubble so

hard, it's making her care less than she has in the past about kind of maintaining relationships with people in the cast. And aside from like even with Dolores, who she has this like 20 year, however long bond with, it feels like she's kind of not prioritizing that in any kind of like real way outside of the show. And it just makes me nervous for the future on the show that it's like, if you don't really want to be there and you're not really participating in keeping up even just superficial TV relationships with anyone in the cast, at a certain point, it's like, what is your place on the show?

And I'm not, I definitely am not like, fire Teresa now, like get her off the screen, but just like looking in a more like long-term direction, that's not how to maintain your like position on the show. And like at the reunion this season, it really feels like, you know, Margaret and Jackie and even Melissa have like spent so long kind of trying at least a little bit,

like on and off to sort of figure things out, maybe come to a place of understanding. And it feels like all three of them have kind of just like checked out of pretending to care about whether they're friends with Teresa now? No, totally. And like I feel like the same even goes for Dolores. Like this is just like my observation, but I was talking to Dolores earlier today. And I was asking her about the whole engagement party situation.

Like Teresa said it was because she wasn't part of a couple. She didn't go on any double dates with her, which we kind of found out was just an excuse because Teresa was on the slut pig podcast this weekend saying that the reason that Dolores wasn't there. because Dina Manzo was there and Dina and Dolores don't get along. So I was asking Dolores like what her thoughts were about that situation. And she was like, look, like I could have been cordial with Dina. Like, yeah, we don't get along and we haven't talked for years.

But like I could have made it work. But in her voice, and this is just my observation, she didn't say this. But it felt like she was just sort of like apathetic towards the whole situation. Because I even brought up, I was like, look, Dolores, like you've been a friend of Teresa for a really long time. Dean is even in the wedding You know You and Melissa are not like what are your thoughts about that

And she's like literally did not seem to give an F Like she really didn't know I mean I think it's hard because They I feel like they'll always have this whatever They've been friends for however long They'll always have that connection And that some deeper bond But in a more real time sense

It's like I don't really It doesn't really feel like they have been like actual friends lately, like their allies on the cast maybe, but like I think Teresa is maybe not the best at like tending those friendships. And I mean, clearly she and Dina have remained close all this time. But yeah, I mean, like for the double date thing to be the first excuse and then for her to say she couldn't invite her because of Dina, it's like, I mean, I guess those are like theoretical reasons why you might not invite somebody. But in this actual case, it's like, Like the fact that Dolores said she didn't even know the party was happening until after the fact, it's like, okay, then it wasn't like a conversation like, oh, well, Dina's coming.

So you probably don't want to be there. It's like, no, she just wasn't invited. And I think that's the kind of thing where like whether or not Dolores, it's probably in Dolores's best interest to not really give a fuck. Because it's like if it seems like Teresa's going to let you down, then it's probably best to just like check out of the. dynamic versus like being heartbroken that you weren't invited to the party. Totally. I feel like Dolores is very aware and accepting of the limitations in her friendship with Teresa.

I think that Dolores knows she can only expect so much. What are your thoughts on the rumors that Jackie is potentially being demoted to a friend next season? That makes me really sad because I feel like Jackie made herself so vulnerable this season. and she definitely showed a level of authenticity that we haven't seen on Housewives in a really long time, like letting the cameras in on her eating disorder struggles and her therapy and recovery and all that. Like I, as a viewer, like I really enjoyed seeing something real like that on the show. And so if she is being demoted, I hate that she's not being rewarded for being so open with the audience about a topic that is, you know,

it's really hard to share that. So that makes me sad. I really do enjoy Jackie, and I like anyone who is not afraid to stand up to, like, the queen of the franchise. Like, the fact that she will stand up to Teresa and speak her mind and stand her ground. I really appreciate that. So I hope she's not demoted. I hope that's not the case.

I hope it's just a rumor. But if she is going to be a friend of, like if she accepts the demotion, I'm happy she's still in the mix because it's nice that Melissa has such a strong ally in Jackie. Yeah, to me, like, I'm definitely in favor of bringing some new people onto the show. I think it's been long enough that, like, we can definitely, you know, freshen up the dynamic a little bit, but I don't necessarily feel like anybody in the cast currently has, like, not earned their place. Like, there's nobody that I'm like, oh, well, you know,

she's been around long enough, like get her out or like, you know, it just kind of feels like you can add things and switch it up without necessarily taking anyone away. Totally. Yes. And like we can, the one girl we can like let go is Tracy and make room for like another friend of or another cast member. Like if Jackie is going to be the friend of on next season, like let's please get a new girl in there because that's a great point.

Like it's been the same cast for years and years and years and years and it's worked for so long and that's wonderful. but I feel like we do need some fresh blood in the mix for sure. I basically have already forgotten that Tracy was on the show. And like I wouldn't even, I was like looking through. I was looking at the reunion looks and I'm like, oh, yeah, like they, Tracy's there, I guess. Well, I wonder, like she was there and she was, she wasn't, wait, who was in the chair before her? Who was Danielle on that chair?

That like little fold up chair? Yeah. She was like literally in a fold up chair, which just feels so on brand for Tracy. but I wonder if she's going to be edited out completely because I don't think I've seen her in any teasers or anything. I don't know. I mean, I'm always a fan of like inviting everyone to the reunion,

but at the same time it's like, you know, if we don't need to see it, then we don't need to see it. Like I would never want like a Danielle Staub friend of moment not to happen at the reunion. Like, I don't know. I remember like season four of Dallas,

I think it was, when they made Carrie Duber a friend, and then she just kind of like went away. I was like, that's sad. Yeah, that was sad. I also, I mean, Dallas was its whole other thing, but I didn't really get when they made her

a friend. I liked Carrie's energy. I know. She seemed, I feel like she was the most normal, maybe. Yeah, like, she's the one you would, like, want to, like, hang out with for the day. A little bit of, like, a voice of reason. Yeah, you could, like, go get lunch,

go get some Botox. It would be fine. Boobes by dubs. Uh-huh. Yeah, boobs by dubs. Do you ever miss Dallas? Sometimes I do in like, I don't know. I just, I liked, they had some good, some good times.

Yeah, no, totally. I do miss Dallas sometimes. Like, I love D'Andra Simmons so much. Like, I think she is just wonderful. I love Mama D. I thought Tiffany Moon was really cool. I'm sad that she only had. one season that we didn't get to know her more.

Yeah, I thought, even though Tiffany Moon was season four and I really liked her, I thought like seasons like two and three of Dallas, like right in the middle were just really good. Yeah. I was really into it. I'm, oh, Stephanie Hallman, I love Stephanie Hallman. And Travis, once he threw out the list of chores, I was, I also ended up becoming a fan of his too.

Who knows? Maybe a reboot someday. Speaking of some old housewives, I'm curious. Ultimate Girls Trip, ex-wives club coming up next month. Who are you most excited to have back on our screens? I am excited for the return of Taylor Armstrong because I feel like she's been so absent over the years.

Like, I actually think like someone like hacked her Instagram for a while. And so like that's the reason why she and she just like never got it figured out until recently. And so yeah, we haven't seen much of Taylor over the years. and so I'm really excited to see her because I loved her so much on the early seasons of Beverly Hills.

I loved her memoir. I just am such a big Taylor Stan. So I'm really thrilled to see her. Although she wasn't very present in the trailer, so I don't know if she served a lot of drama, which is fine. Maybe she doesn't need all that drama in her life, but I'm excited to just, like, see her.

Like she could literally do anything. She could, like, sit and stare, and I would be happy to watch it. So I'm excited for her, and I'm excited for Brandy. I think it'll be fun to see the brandy being messy again. I kind of feel like, like, I'm glad Tamara and Vicky are there, but I could have used a bit more time, like a bit more of a break from them.

Yeah. It's interesting. I just realized, so I feel like the two people who are sort of in the trailer, the least, are Taylor and Jill. And I was listening. I was so sad. So Derinda recently went. on Brandy Glanville's podcast.

It was before the trailer had come out and they were talking about the experience of doing the show together and they said that out of everyone in the house, Taylor and Jill were the ones who were kind of trying to produce stuff the most, like kind of coming up with stuff

to do and then the producers weren't really feeling that that everybody else was kind of being more authentic or like off the cuff. And so I almost wonder if that kind of backfired on I mean, obviously, we'll see what happens on the show. But, like, if you come in and you have all these ideas of, like, stunts, you can pull.

Maybe the producers or the editors are kind of like, yeah, we don't actually want the show to be that. Yeah, no, that's really interesting. I saw all this stuff about Jill. I didn't see this stuff. I didn't realize that Taylor was also grouped into that. So that's really interesting. I wonder what, like, Taylor was trying to orchestrate. But that did when I read it.

I know, it's like. Yeah, like, because I think the thing about Jill was like, she was like, let me, baked banana bread. Like, she's been out of the game for a really long time. And like, you can tell if she's, like, trying to, like, make banana bread a scene. That did make me a little disappointed because Jill was another one that I was really excited about. Like, she was so iconic on the early seasons of New York City.

And so I was really excited for her return. But then when I see that she's trying to self-produce and is getting banana bread involved, it's like, ma'am, like, that was so two years ago. That was so March 2020 banana bread. Like no one wants to watch that. We all have like PTSD from banana bread. So like. Yeah.

And I think especially with Jill and Derinda, knowing that this Rony legacy show is on the horizon, it seems like they would have a very real chance of being cast on that. Whereas like, I don't really think Brandy and Taylor are being like thought about for a Beverly Hills comeback. So it's like with Jill and Derinda, it's almost like the stakes feel a little higher because there's like, an actual show happening that they could be on.

Totally. Speaking of that, Jill was out here saying that she hasn't gotten a call for the show yet, but then I guess no their housewife has either. So it seems like that legacy show is like really on the back burner for Bravo, and they're definitely more focused on like the young reboot of the New York City show, which I kind of don't understand because I feel like the Roney legacy show would be so easy to cast and so easy to.

to film and produce and just like pump out really quickly. Right. Like I feel like the expectations for that show are almost like lower because it's like even if the drama is not crazy or if it's not really like the most entertaining thing I've ever seen, I kind of just want to like have these women back on my screen. Whereas like with with the full Roney reboot, it feels like the stakes are very high because they're like we have to find this dynamic. new friend group and they must be diverse and exciting and then have all these different backgrounds

and like whereas legacy it's like you could you could cast it tomorrow and then just like film for a month and whatever you get will watch yeah like i will watch anything i just want to see like kelly and jill in the same room again exactly i'm like very much on the kelly ben simone train now for legacy i got to say oh my gosh well i can't wait to see Girls Trip and Rony Legacy and everything that's going to be happening. And Evan, I'm so glad you were able to join me today. Tell everyone where they can find you and watch you and read your stuff and all that. Yeah, so page 6.com is a great place to see what I'm doing.

And then I post a lot of my stuff on Instagram so you can follow me at Evan Real. On Twitter, I'm Evan underscore Real, but I'm really boring on Twitter. So actually don't worry about that. And I just want to let it be known that my last name really is real. Some people think that my handle is like a sort of like Evan official kind of thing. But that would be embarrassing and that's not the case. So my last name actually is real. So yeah, at Evan Real is where you can find my stuff.

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