Mention It All - Protect Sonja At All Costs (RHONY, Below Deck Med)

Episode Date: July 21, 2021

Dylan and Bari recap week 3 of the RHONY trip to Salem, where Sonja punches glass, speaks up for herself, handles an intervention, and connects with her father’s ghost. It’s a lot. Later, they recap Below Deck Med, where tension is finally brewing within the crew.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And go on track me, boo And Barry Rosenfeld I need to start drinking alcohol Now go to sleep week Hey everyone Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast I am Dylan Hafer And I am Barry Rosenfeld

And it is Tuesday We're talking about Roney We're talking about below deck med We're talking about, you know, whatever we feel like, just chit-chat and, um, shooting the breeze about Bravo. Oh, I thought you were going to shoot in the breeze about life. We're just talking about life. Do you have any, anything you want to bring up?

Literally nothing. Nothing I want to talk about. Like, well, um, my only real conversation topic is housewives at this point. Like in life and in work. I know. There are some days, like today's only Tuesday and it's like, wow, nothing has happened. Like I'm not even lying when I say like I have nothing to talk about right now, which honestly, I'll take it. That's like good sometimes.

I will say like in my in my dating life, even like pre-pandemic more because I was going on more dates. I haven't, you know, I honestly haven't really been trying that hard recently. But it was like when I was going on a date with somebody who also watched Bravo, it was like a good little crutch because like even if you're not really hitting it off that. well with the person. If you know they watch Real House Stories of New Jersey, then it's like a good kind of fallback topic. Yeah. You're like, oh, so like,

what do you think about? What do you think about Teresa and Jackie? Right. I was going to say, I don't really like you, but let me know your thoughts on this fight that happened on New Jersey because like I just need to know where you stand. But funny you bring up dating, actually, because we can talk about this.

You know what I don't like when people who, well, a lot. The list is long. But the one thing I don't like recently is that when people you haven't seen over the pandemic or like you're not friends with in general, give you their opinion on your dating life. And so someone recently was like, well, you haven't, like, I feel like you just, you haven't been trying. And I like didn't say anything back because it wasn't like the time or place.

But in my head, I go, how would you know how hard or not I am trying? on with D-D-D. Wait, like, I don't tell you what I'm doing. I might be trying extremely hard and failing, and I don't want to think about that either. So, like, please just- Correct. See yourself out of that situation. Yeah.

Goodbye. Thank you for that input. But- honestly, though, yeah, no, that's like, I don't appreciate that. It's like, maybe I'm focusing on myself. Maybe I'm upset about something. You know, like, you don't know. You don't know what I've been through.

You don't know. I need a seance to unpack why my, uh, my day. But please don't be my enemy. Okay. Oh my goodness. Let's let's head to Salem and talk about the New York ladies. Um, I, I will say this episode was refreshing to me because I thought after the initial, you know, situation with Sonia and Bershon,

I thought the group actually was able to kind of move forward and make some progress for the rest of the episode. And it didn't feel like we were just kind of in this cycle of no one getting along, which I appreciated. Because the last few episodes, it felt a little monotonous. And this one felt at least a little bit like a breath of fresh air as much as it can be when you're in Salem in November. Yeah. I mean, I liked, we left off with this altercation, which I'm glad that it was kind of like the next morning. It was kind of giving me hangover vibes the movie where, like, Leo was like telling everyone what happened.

And it was kind of crazy that she was the only one there and like separating them. And it was getting a little, you know, heated. But even Bershon later in the episode said, like, she would never do anything. She was just saying when you put your finger in someone's face, like, they're going to, they're going to react. And listen, it's because the alcohol was involved. I think that the conversation they had the next. next day, which we'll get to, was great. It was one of the most refreshing, like, apology

conversations I've seen in a while, to be honest. It was like, other than, you know, Ramona having to just ask for something in the middle of the conversation. But, but, but yeah. It was like, it was very, Bershon's reaction, like, when they were having their little altercation, it was like, you know, it was like a Candace and Monique situation, but Bershahn didn't take it to the Monique level, you know, like, it could have gone there. and thankfully it didn't. The weird kind of side effect, though, is that Sonia broke the fire extinguisher glass

with her purse, which to me, it's like, obviously that is not good. You know, it's property damage, all of that stuff. To me, it's not, like, that dramatic. Like, it's an accident. Sonia didn't, like, punch a hole through a wall. I think, like, I don't know.

That wasn't an accident. She punched it on purpose. Was it not? But her bag hit it. Oh, okay. So that's the thing. You're so she is it because she was flailing and she hit it or she like went to I think she went to go hit it and she hit it with her bag so she didn't like break her hand or something. I don't know.

We'll have to go back in with the slow motion camera. Like last season when when Candace and Monique's thing was happening, there was like the super slow moly replay of like who touched who touched Monique's vest and then who slapped you know like it was very minute. And I feel like this doesn't really warrant that because the next day, Bershon obviously knew she fucked up. And, you know, Ramona kind of sat down with her the next morning and was like, hey, so that was a lot. Like, blah, blah, blah. And Bershont really was already on that page. She was like, oh, yeah. Like, I know.

Like, I know I need to apologize. Like, I know that was too much. That was crazy. I did think it was a little bit like it's funny because she's act. She kind of is acting like the only issue. is that she doesn't know the women that well yet. And it's like, no, like, even if you and Sonia were good friends, like you were being rude to her.

Right. But also the thing is with these women so far, every conversation they've had, they have to have a conversation beforehand. So, like, before Ramona talked to Verjean, they, her, Leah and Luann were saying. And they're like, you need to talk to her. You brought her. You need to talk to her.

And then, like, Leah was calling and telling everyone about the fight the night before. Like, everyone needed to be prompted for something. And so I did think that it was appropriate that they told Ramona, like, you need to. And Ramona kind of handled that well. She, although she was like throwing Sonia under the bus a little, she was doing it in a friendly way. She was like, she's weak. She's a mess. But like she is my best friend.

And we, she's my BF of 30 years. Yeah. So I thought I did. I do agree with you. I think Ramona actually did a good job of sort of playing both sides. in this episode because while Sonia is her, you know, her longtime friend that she really should have loyalty to in the moment in that situation, she brought Bershon on the trip and she was the one.

It was interesting that so that Leah and Luan were like, this is your fault because you told Bershont that we were fun. And I'm like, okay, I mean, they're kind of self, they're self aware, which I appreciate. They're like, we're not that fun. That's true. And I thought Ramona actually handled that sort of gracefully that she knew she kind of had to talk to both sides and get everyone, you know, back together. And it worked. But I also feel like the women are treating Bershan, like not really treating her, but talking about her. Like she's almost like a kid that they're babysitting and all of them are like, well, I don't know what to do with her. You take you. What do we do with her? Like you take her. And I was like, guys, she's like a grown woman. Like you just need to tell her. later at dinner when they had their

intervention moment with Sonia which will unpack more when they're like okay Ebony so you go keep Prashan distracted it's like I mean I get it makes sense there's no one else there like Brashon's not just gonna like sit by herself in the lobby for 30 minutes but

if I were her I would definitely choose to do that anyway I'd be like playing I'd be like putting candy crash on my phone like okay girls I'll be back Yeah. So this, this apology, though, it was funny because they took like that long 40 minute van ride where they just took that time to acknowledge that they weren't going to talk in the van, that they all napped and and whatever. But it was nice because Sonia really was like ignore. She was like, I'm not you, you lost, I lost your trust or you lost my trust. and they both explained their sides and they had a moment beforehand. That's why they were a little confused. However, the night before when they did the flashback,

when it looks like her and Bersham were like joking and laughing. Bresham was like, oh, I love her. She's drunk. Like that, she didn't mean anything you can tell by that, but it triggered Sonia by saying that. So I feel like when you're starting to learn things about people, you're just you're starting to learn things about them. You know what to say and what not to say.

and when you are close enough to be able to say those things. And it did get emotional, but I feel like it was, it was good on both ends. I think Bershon did a good job of, you know, owning it, apologizing. It seems like a real apology in the sense that she knows what she did was wrong in that situation. But I also really appreciate that Sonia was able to express herself and to be honest about how it hurt her, why it hurt her, and like what. she really felt versus just being like, okay, thanks for apologizing. I guess we can move on now.

Like sometimes, you know, even if somebody is apologizing to you and you are accepting the apology, it's okay if it takes you like, you know, a little bit longer to really work through the feelings there. And I think I was glad that Sonia was sort of doing that. Like you were saying, Ramona asking for Kleenex in the middle of her sentence. And I love that Sonia snap. at Ramona for her to shut up because Ramona is so bad at interrupting you know absentmindedly while people are talking we see it later in the seance I know in the seance is stressful whatever

but it's like Ramona just cannot sit and listen to what someone is saying and I like that I like when Sonia can really uh you know speak up for herself she has been a lot lately too they even showed again when they were when they did show the flashback of son uh and Bershahn on the van and Ramona was like, what? And Sony was like, Romona, keep doing what you're doing. We are talking. Like, she is actually listening to me.

Like, Sony, certainly to call Ramona out on the things that she hasn't done in these BF relationship of 30 years, which is, listen, because Ramona, I feel has just been, not I feel, has been just been like taking advantage. And she really does. I know Sonia was accusing Bershan of treating using her as a dormant. But I think Ramona has been doing that to Sonia this whole time. Totally. I think and Leah kind of called that out, Leah and Ebony called that out with Ramona and Luann earlier in the season that they don't, you know, I think they like Sonia and I think they like having fun with Sonia and they think of Sonia as like a fun friend, but that they don't always give her the respect that she deserves. And they don't, I think sometimes they don't think of Sonia as their equal, which, you know, there are lots of different facets of, you know, their relationships. Sure, but like Sonia's. not like some, like, rando who's, like, tagging along with them.

Like, they're all on this show together. And, like, at least in the context of the show, they're all on the same level. You know, like, there's no reason why Sonia should be in that position. And it's, so it's great to see her, you know, really speaking up for herself. And I love, you know, I love that we get a couple of sort of like catchphrasey references in this episode. Like Ramona says, it's not turtle time. And Sony is snapping at her like a turtle. of, like there's a time and a place for a total time and this is not it.

Earlier when Sonia says, I have a taste for luxury, but I don't have a taste for cheap red wine. Wait, that sounds like a tagline. Like she just made like a tagline for herself. Yeah. No, one of her old taglines was, I have a taste for luxury. And luxury has a taste for me. Oh my God. She's, it's a good little meta moment.

Yeah. Okay. So this is seance. Again, I'm not 100% short. that I would participate in this. It was like, I don't know, not something. But at the same time, watching them, it looked really nice and it looked like it was fulfilling.

And I don't know. I appreciated it for the group. I mean, I'm just like not into that kind of stuff. It's fine. It is what it is. But I thought, yeah, it seemed nice. I thought, you know, particularly seeing Sonia open up about the stuff with her dad, I don't recall ever hearing her talk about that on the show before Ramona did it even seem to know

anything about that and you know to hear her say not just that her father had a drinking problem which kind of explains some things but you know the whole idea that she grew up with you know without her dad around and her mom you know hustling to raise four kids like it makes you think in 11 seasons or whatever that sonia's been on we really have never gotten a lot of information about her background. You know, obviously we know about, you know, the Morgans and all of this. But to hear her really open up about her, like, childhood is different. To be honest, even all of those seasons she's been on, we never even fully heard about, like,

her marriage and, and all of those details. She, like, she reminds me of Carrie Bradshaw because even in Sex and the City, we know nothing about Carrie Bradshaw's life. Like, it's very. secretive and nothing about it, but Sonia just like reminds me of that. But it was very like eye-opening to even Lou Am was like, well, that explains like a lot of things, you know, even, even how Sonia is with men.

Like she doesn't let everyone in. And sometimes you need that from a third party and to like get that out. But at the same time, I know, we didn't really go into detail with the intervention. But you, she even said to the girl, she was like, I pay people. I have like professionals who like talk to me about this stuff. So like maybe that's something else that she doesn't want it. This goes so deep that she doesn't want to talk about it with these women who she has known for a long time. But it's just very extremely personal that everyone handles that stuff very differently.

But I have mixed feelings about the intervention because I, I definitely think, I feel like I feel for sure that. it was coming from a good place and a place of love and a place of genuine concern. And I think those concerns are warranted. Like I don't think it's weird that, you know, they feel concerned about Sonia's drinking. But at the same time, it's like to do it on camera. And while you're on this trip and it's not even like they're back at the hotel and have some downtime. It's like literally in this like side area. of the restaurant or wherever they are.

And, you know, they're pulling her aside and, you know, really not giving her, you know, like, it feels very forced kind of that it's like, we have to do it right now. We have to, you know, take away her drink that she just ordered. And, you know, we have to do it tonight. We can't wait until tomorrow. Like, all of this stuff. It just feels like I mean, I'm not an expert in planning interventions, though I have watched many episodes of the show. Do you love it. Yeah.

It just feels like they really weren't setting her up to receive that message in the best way. And I don't know if it was production telling them they needed to do it in that way or if it was just, you know, that's kind of how it came together. But it just felt kind of like, what did you expect in that situation? I totally agree because the one thing I noticed going into it. And of course, it's like when you have your own conversation with friends and you're like, wait, wait, this wasn't how I wanted to go. it seemed like they needed to have an agenda of some sort. Like they didn't know when they were when they were once they actually sat down with her, they didn't know what to like do or say or.

Right. And it was weird. Sorry, but like Luanne saying that she got arrested for way less, but just by being in her own hotel. I'm like Luanne. No. And to bring, yeah, though that it's so funny every time you bring up like production because it really makes you think like you waited.

until you were at a bar and to take away her drink to do this? Like you guys stay in the same hotel. Just do it there. Why not do it in any other setting that doesn't involve her already drinking? Sonia's also like not dumb. And she's like, you took away my drink. One of my 12. Like, where is it?

Show me where you drink is. Sonia is not the kind of person. Like, obviously I don't know 100% when she says she's not drinking at home or she's not drinking where herself. I don't know 100% if that's true. But Sonia is not the kind of person who's just like trashed 24-7. Like it seems very, at least from watching the show, it seems like she more has a problem with going too far in a situation where she's drinking, not that she's drinking constantly. So it's like you would have plenty of opportunities to sit her down when she's not just like, wait, you know, like it just feels like this is the kind of the worst possible situation to do it in.

And, you know, like, like, you know, Candy and Jeff on intervention would never, would never do an intervention at a bar. Well, yes, that is true. Are you, are you, are you, do you prefer candy or Jeff? It's different. It's different. Like, it really, yeah, it's very different. But it's earlier, like when Ramona was like, oh, no, she drinks. She drinks all the time.

She drinks. It goes back to my date. How do you know that? How do you know Sonia wakes up and has a drink? Like you have no idea. Yeah. And like, I mean, I think there are also a lot of levels to it. It's like, okay, like, you know, does she never drink at home?

Maybe not. But also, like, there's a big difference between like having a glass of wine sometimes and like drinking to get through the day. So I don't know. Like, I think overall. Which we've all done. No, I'm kidding. Overall, like, I think Sonia kind of handled it fine. Like the, I don't think it was like, it didn't.

it wasn't like problematic to me that she was kind of not having it like I was like yeah honestly I wouldn't be there for that either totally agree and it probably like killed her by but you know what was problematic was her ponytail and that's all I'm going to say negatively about sonya because I love her but you know it wasn't my favorite oh my god um I went to so I went to oh watch what happens live taping yesterday and they played um a game where the guests had to rate some hairstyles and they were so bad. So bad. I still think like one that goes lives in my head is Doreet's like curly like piece on

her head. The braids. No. Like the actual like piece of curly, oh yes, yes. Yes. Where she's wearing that like black and silver.

Yes. I know what you're talking about. Oh my God. It has to be that bad for like out of all these years, women, everything for like. like that hairstyle to like be in my mind. I know. It's iconic.

Maybe for the wrong reasons. Yeah. But we're still, we're still in Salem. We get the season, the mid-season trailer, which looks, looks fun.

I do feel like this season, you know, still has some potential. I don't think it's going to be like an incredible season for the rest of the time. But I hope that it's, you know, I feel like it's,

it could sort of get back on a better track. But we'll see. Let's talk about below deck med. We have our, Our first crew night out continues. And the big news is that Z and Courtney are making out, which, you know, good for them. Have your fun. Courtney doesn't remember it the next day, which is awkward.

Yeah. She like really doesn't even think that it happened. And she has to be told like three times before she actually believes it, which is rough. You can also tell while the makeout was happening that she wouldn't because that was like the messy. I out loud, I think, like, by myself, I was like, that is, that is, I was like, what are they doing? That does not look like a

a fun coordinated makeout going on there, but you know what? That party in the cabin looked like really fun, to be honest. Everyone was letting loose. Malia has a completely different energy this season. She is like having fun, it seems.

Her fake accent is like coming out more though now. I don't know if you've noticed. Like I don't really know what's going on. I don't know so much if I've noticed that. Oh my God. I don't know what's going on there. I have noticed that.

So, like, Lloyd specifically was saying that it's like fun being on a crew where it's more a more positive vibe and like everybody's getting along. And I think that those are, he may be speaking a little too soon because I don't think that's going to be the case for long. But this episode, it's like we have some tension sort of starting. to bubble up more in the crew and that mostly comes stems from lexie who is still not getting along with chef matthew um you know their diet they just like should steer clear of each other but mostly lexie is also getting pissed at katie the chief stew and you know she's not happy with how she's

dividing the work duties between her and courtney for the second charter and i really feel like maybe there is some truth to what Lexi is saying, but I also just feel like she seems like a very difficult person to work with, is what I'm getting from her. Yeah, she seems like she's a type person where it's like my way or the highway. I said last week she seemed pretty entitled and like that thought continued into this week. Like she's just, if it's not the way she likes to do things, like she gets mad at the person or she was going around being like,

I don't know what I'm supposed to do. I don't know what I'm supposed to do. She even said, like, if I don't know what I'm supposed to do, like I'm not happy, but like just ask. Like it's okay. It's okay. It's a new crew. You know, you're not the chief stew. You are, so you are like I feel like we've seen enough different people working on these shows that it's like, you know, the chief stew kind of chooses their own way of running

things. And then, you know, the interior kind of works under that. And so I feel like, you know, if Katie wants to give Courtney some experience on service or whatever and doesn't want to keep her in laundry the whole time. Like, that's her choice. And like, sorry, Lexi, if you're not happy with that. But, like, that doesn't mean Katie's bad at her job because she's doing things differently than you would. I actually think that was a great thing that she did to give other people, like, a chance to try other things. And to be honest, I always say that about any job just because someone doesn't do it the way you would or does it differently doesn't mean it's wrong.

It just means you guys have different words. working form. Yeah. And based on the preview for next week, it looks like, it looks like Lexi's going to have some even bigger issues with some of the crew. So I, I'm like honestly nervous. I know a couple of people who have watched the episode already and they said it's like very stressful and like chef Matt might be leaving like, oh, there's a lot going on.

Yeah. Next week, that preview looked like really intense. I was like, you heard screaming like people, again, getting in people's faces. but the thing is, like, Lexi has this burn list that I don't know if it was meant to be seen on purpose or not, but Malia saw it, and she was, like, very taken back. And she was like, these were her accent. She goes, am I on it? And I was like, Malia.

Am I on it? Am I on it? Am I on it? Am I on it? But it's, that's like, that's like, you don't know if Lexi's kidding or not because you actually took the time to make. the list and she said the more successful I get the sorry like you'll be that you weren't nicer to me. When she first, when she first mentioned the list, I assumed maybe it was it was either like

in her head or maybe like a note on her phone with like three names. But that is like that's like a large piece of paper with a full list of names. And it looks like sections. Okay, guys, Dylan and I, we love Lexi. She's our favorite person on pillow deck med. She's great. She's great. at her job. To be fair, to be fair, I think Matthew sucks too. Like, I think their dynamic, their dynamic is like equally bad from both directions. Like, I think he is not speaking to her very well. I think he obviously can't handle kind of this work environment.

Like, you know, he seems very stressed out. And we're going to get to that. I'm sure next episode. I'm going to get stressed next week watching that happen. I can, like, feel it. But, like, I do feel like Lexi is sort of the center of chaos on the boat. And that's only going to be magnified as we move forward. Yeah.

And by the way, I watched last week's episode again. And, like, I couldn't get that out of my head where Matt, Matt, was like, I am the boss in here. Never again. Never again. But he, like, look down when he was, like, shaking his finger. And he was like, get out. And it looked like a scene from, like, a cartoon.

And I just started laughing. So I was like, I don't know if someone would say that to me, if I would take that seriously or not. Like, he was like, get out. And it went downhill. I don't know if you've, I don't know if you've ever had this situation, but it's like where you realize you're in a position of power.

And you're like, wait, should I like, should I like, use this power? Like, should I like, should I like yell right now? Or should I like get mad? And then you kind of like, you like do it, but you don't 100% believe it coming out of your mouth. And you're like, this feels good. Yeah. Get out. You're like, don't talk to me.

Don't talk to me like that. I deserve respect. Like. And then you're kind of like, fuck, like, that sounded really aggressive. Yeah. Was that too much? It might have been too much. There's been so much like not even drama, but I feel like we've been focusing so much on the crew in the actual episodes too that we haven't even like paid attention to charter.

Like I don't even know. Sometimes I don't even know that there is a charter. But this one was so embarrassingly drunk that I don't even care to talk about them. Yeah. I mean, we'll see. there's like something happening with him wanting to swim drunk and like some also some crew issue happening at the same time like I don't really I'm not good at keeping up with like boat things so I'm like oh like the line okay oh because it snapped yeah yeah like on sailing it was nice

because I could tell like the boat hit the dock that's very cut and dry this is a little bit to me like I don't like the boat is still just in the water like I don't know what's going to happen there I know they were like saying how they're like we're going to We're going to dock at night. We're going to dock at night. And I was like, let's go, guys. We're, come on. Sandy's like, I don't like that current.

Damn, me neither, I guess. They were also talking about a dolphin. And I was like, oh my God, cool. But it wasn't the animal. Oh, yeah. It's one of those. Oh, please. Don't say like you.

Oh, Barry, a dolphin. It's like a buoy. And then I realized that I had no way to describe it. I was like, yeah, it's the. It's a buoy type thing. My hand is just like, flinging back and forth right now. It's a giant piece of cement in the water, essentially.

Well, if you enjoyed this episode, don't forget to rate five stars and leave a review maybe explaining something about how boats work, but only if it's a five-star review because we, like Ramona Singer, we love learning. Oh, God, don't compare it. True. Okay.

Well, that's going to do it for us today. you so much for listening. Like I said, don't forget to rate, review, and follow wherever you listen to the show. And just be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Mention It All is produced by Sean Kilby and Jorge Morales Pico. Editing by Sean Kilby. Social media by Dylan Hafer. Guest Booking by Nicole Pellegrino. Be sure to follow at Bravo by Betches on Instagram and Twitter. Betches.