Mention It All - Pump Rules Rewind Ep. 9: Reunion

Episode Date: July 14, 2023

As the Pump Rules Rewind journey comes to a close, Dylan and Sami return for one more week to recap the first-ever SUR reunion. They reflect on how the production value has changed over the years, and how the cast handles their first taste of fame. They also evaluate Jax’s attempt to win Stassi back, and take note of how minor of a character Sandoval was to begin with. Check out our latest promo codes here: https://betches.com/promos Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey everyone, welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer and we are back at Sir. One last time. We have made it to the end of our Pump Rules Rewind Season 1 journey. It's reunion time and I of course am joined one more time by Sammy Sage. Hey, Sammy. Hi, Dylan. I can't believe this is, this really came quick. These were the best days of our lives. It's true. It's true. We didn't even know that we were. were watching history in the making. And I am pretty, you know, I'm very, here's the thing, not everyone on Bravo was getting a reunion at the time at all. So it was a compliment that the Vanderpumpians were gifted a reunion, even though they had to sit on those uncomfortable bar stools while everybody else got chairs, couches, even Summerhouse got chairs and couches. It is, it's interesting. Vanderpump Rules has always stuck with the individual

chairs and stools vibe. They've never switched over to couches. I guess sometimes maybe that's just because of how many people they have. This one, it's funny because so they're in the bar area of Sir. And if you've been to Sir, there are lots of different like rooms and areas in Sir, but none of them are expansive. And so there's not a lot of extra space. And even some of the transition shots, they're shooting them like through a door frame. Yeah. It's a very, it's a very thin space like horizontally. You can see it. You can sort of see the space in the pride episodes like how you can see the layout where they kind of shoot it from above. Right. It works. Yeah. Sir works well as like a having like a one on one scene or like they can have like a staff meeting in the garden. But it's not really a good like

television studio space. But, you know, they were, they were being scrappy. They honestly, probably, if they needed to rent out a studio, I don't think this reunion would have made financial sense for them. No, totally. But I do, you know, they've chosen to maintain the bar stools, which I can only interpret as sort of a punishment for their bad behavior. They're like, you're forced to sit there, abs clenched in like the worst position ever,

while defending their actions. You idiots are not worthy of a comfortable couch. You will maintain your perfect posture on this chair or else you will look like an absolute slob on television. Speaking of how these people are looking, this season one reunion outfit game is, it's a mixed bag and I was really aghast at the outfit that Stasi chose to wear. It is this brown fur, I'm assuming foe, but who knows.

A fur miniskirt and fur cap sleeves held together by a lace bodice of sorts. Just a visually puzzling outfit and not a visually pleasing one. What is that? You know, I had noted her outfit as well, visually puzzling. You know, we should put like a photo. of her outfit and in quotes visually puzzling Dylan Hafer because I agree I wrote that it was an interesting mix of fur and lace which you don't see every day but it wasn't just the lace it was that the lace it could have maybe even been better if the entire top had been lace or the entire

bodice had been lace but it was like not I don't know this is a girl who was writing blogs about casual chic on the divine addiction. So I don't know what was going on here. Sammy, please, she was writing columns, not blogs. Don't be a frank. Sorry. Right. Sorry. Sorry. I need me to call it. I thought, okay. Speaking of the divine addiction, we did not get one mention of that whole situation in this reunion episode. And to be honest, I have more questions about Stasi's employment from Pandora than I do about some of the actual issues we talked about. Right. I mean, the whole the whole reunion was basically about Stasi in various, from various angles. Right.

Stossie and Frank. Stossie and Laura Lee. Stossie and Jack. Stossie and her friends, the latter of which I thought was the most interesting. Stossie and her friends. Kristen and Katie. Yeah.

Because that was really kind of laid, I know I'm skipping ahead, but that really kind of laid the blueprint for what ultimately happened a lot of other times in the show. Like this season with Katie, where she was made to look really. stupid and would have looked like would have been like cast out if it not if it had not been for Raquel. Yeah. And that happened to other times. There were other moments where like the women

were made to look crazy because of the male beat like the guy's cheating. Yeah. I mean, I think the whole like Miami girl situation was something where Kristen Doty looked like this, you know, psycho woman with an agenda, which we now know was a real factual situation that happened. Even Kristen and Ariana's issues going all the way back when Kristen was adamant that they had cheated and then later we found out that they did. Like there are many times where it's like the women are calling it like they see it and the guys are basically being like, why are you punishing me? And it's like, right, but they're responding to something that actually happened. Right. And the women look quote crazy until the men are proved to be lying. But by that time,

they've already damaged their friendships. They've already jeopardized their position in the group. I mean, even Lala was making that argument, like, intellectually this whole season, that it's always the women who get the brunt of it. But, you know, that's its own situation. And, like, the idea of tequila Katie is another one that's kind of been brought up over the years that it's like, oh, she drinks, she gets crazy, she sends rage texts. And it's like, yes, that has happened, but the framing of it in of a way where it's like,

she's being crazy is something that we've seen, you know, throughout society as like a way of branding, you know, women having emotions as something negative and to be contained. And it's like, objectively, they're dealing with a boatload of dumb, shitty dudes. Right. Right. Like, is it an ultimatum or is it a standard? Even Lisa says this to Jacks when he's like, I love this woman. She's the first person. person I thought I could marry. I love her. I'll do everything to get her back. It's been six months and I'm still trying to get her back. And Lisa's like, well, you love her, but not enough to not cheat on her. And it's like, okay, well, is that so high a standard? Yeah, I think it's, it's

interesting the difference between talking about Jack's relationship with Laura Lee and Stasi's relationship with Frank, both of which on the show were kind of portrayed as these rebound relationships shortly after they had broken up with each other. But Jack's straight up says, I got with Laura Lee because I knew it would piss Stasi off, basically, that she was the one there. He straight up says that he used her. He regrets it. Whereas Stasi is sticking to her story that she, you know, was talking to Frank before they

broke up. She admits to a certain amount of emotional cheating. She calls it. They got together like two days after they broke up. And she maintains that this is a real relationship. that Frank was giving her the attention she needed. She says that Frank is as a boyfriend better than Jacks and that they got back together after filming

and just recently had broken up for the second time. So the idea that Stasi's rebound relationship might not have been this true love connection, but she was actually like fulfilling a need for herself, whereas Jack's relationship with Laura Lee was purely just to fuck with Stasi, leaving this, you know, this like, you know, fragile woman as collateral. Oh, yeah. And I appreciated that Lisa actually called him out for that because I felt like that was like

one of the rare times that she actually would call out a male behavior on this show. And she was like, you knew she was unstable. Why would you, I told you not to fuck with her. And you did anyway. And he was like, yeah, probably shouldn't have. But even Stasi, like, what I thought was interesting is that Kristen kind of doubled down that Stasi had had more than an emotional affair with Frank and that she had actually hooked up with him while she was technically with Jacks. I don't know. There were a lot of interesting things that were revealed about Stacey, including that it had gotten physical with them once and that she punched him and that he bled.

Yeah. Blood all over his Michael Corps sweater. I wrote that. The Michael Corse sweater is the perfect, you know, time capsule. But yeah, he says in Chicago, she busted my nose. And the fact that her reaction to that is just, did you not deserve that, though? And he's like, yeah, I did. Right.

Like, that is so fucked up. That is, like, really messed up. Yeah. Like, what I was just saying about the relationships with Frank and Laura Lee, like, I think the relationship with Frank was a little more real, but that doesn't take away from the kind of fucked up attitude that Stasi has just about all of the people in her life. That Sandoval, I know we don't like Tom Sandoval now, but I think there are a couple points in this reunion where he kind of makes a good observation.

And he basically says that Stasi only wants friends who kiss her ass and who are going to see her side. And this is, you know, we watch during the season the fluff. friends, as we call them, kind of circling around Stasi because they were just going to tell her how great she was and that she was right and, you know, fuck Jacks. Whereas Katie and Kristen have a little more skin in the game, but Stossie can't really handle anyone with a nuanced perspective that isn't 100% shared with her. Right.

But to that point, she was right about the fact that they didn't believe her because they were like bad, you know, because Jacks lied and made her look. look like an idiot. So I don't know. I was thinking like this is this is such a great this reunion I felt was such a great example of why Stasi was such a great reality character because she's such a bitch first of all. Like she says just the bitchiest most toxic things and she stands by them and she is like but also she's right about certain things. So you're like I do feel for her in this situation. I don't know. Of these people, of the people in this cast, I feel that without the show, both Stasi and Sheena would have organically gotten a call to stodum. And because they're just both

so good at like capturing the, you know, it's like the nuanced energy, you know? Yeah. And you know, they're, they're crazy close now in Stasi and Sheena. They're like two star-crossed lovers who ended up together at the end of the season. Sheena, we get a little bit of chat about her relationship with Brandy. Andy asks Lisa why she pushed Sheena and Brandy to have a talk. And Lisa says that it was Sheena's idea, basically because she wanted to clear the air also because Sheena was now going to be on a TV show of her own. I'm sure that had nothing to do with it.

And she wanted, people said that she dropped the thing about Eddie buying her diamonds to make Brandy feel bad. And she was like, no, I wanted her to know that I was more than just like a Tuesday night fling. But LVP tells her, well, to Brandy, you'll always be the mistress and not the waitress. And it's like funny because when you say it like that, it makes it sound like Sheena's number one goal in life is for people to be like, ah, the waitress. Right. Not the pop star. Not the California Britney spirit.

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Do you feel like maybe there was some, like, not that she used her to sort of deploy this plotline in her spin-off show, but that it was a convenient relationship when it was a convenient relationship. Oh, I definitely think so. I think Lisa was somebody where, you know, she liked having somebody to sort of do her bidding a little bit. And I, this is maybe, I don't know if this is a perfect comparison, but I think on, um, On New Jersey, the last few seasons, we've seen a little bit of a similar dynamic between Teresa and Jennifer Aiden that it's like, Teresa is kind of like the, you know, the mafia Don and Jen is a little bit like the lieutenant that's going to go do the bidding. And, you know, that's like, different than DeLora's. Loaded language to be using talking about Real House of New Jersey. but that I think Lisa

Lisa always has liked to keep her hands clean a little bit and she's never really copped to some of the stuff that I think is widely accepted that she was involved with and I think that's why Vanter Pump Rules has been kind of the perfect platform for her because the heat is really almost never on her and that's also something where people still talk about the idea of Lisa coming back to Beverly Hills at some point

and people are, you know, sometimes are clamoring for her return or, you know, want to see her and Kyle hash it out. And to be honest, I don't think there's really anything in it for Lisa to return to that place of not having control, of being under the microscope and of being at the mercy of whatever production decides to do. Like, Vanderpump Rules is her kingdom and it's successful enough on its own. She has enough money. She doesn't need a housewives check. Yeah, she would definitely need to need a lot of money to do that. But, you know, famously, being friends with her is like playing chess with Bobby Fisher. Every move is so calculated.

Did you see this is, obviously this is going to be a little bit old news by the time this comes out. But did you see that Lisa's getting another show about her house in France? Yeah, Vanderpump Villa. So I guess she owns a house in the south of France, which I don't know that we've ever seen. But they're going to be... Maybe they're renting a villa. It's going to be like about the people that work there, but they're going to be hosting her guests. It's giving a little bit like Vanderpump Rules meets below deck.

There's like a casting notice for it right now. So it's not coming out super soon. But I think it's going to be on Hulu. And that I'm very curious because some of Lisa's other spinoffs have been to me pretty unsuccessful. So, you know, they're like she did that overserved thing where it was like her friends coming to dinner parties. That was lame. Vanderpumped Dogs was a flop. So we'll see. I think this has more potential because it's not really about her, I don't think. But I don't know. Well, they're casting. So it's not like these people are preexisting to work in this villa and have existing drama. Also,

what are they going to do, like import Americans into this French villa? Well, that's why that'll be funny. Yeah, that's why I feel like below deck is probably a decent comparison is because On below deck every season, they're, you know, hiring people to work on the boat. Some of them might have connections otherwise. But yeah, like, what if we get like some Australians and some Brits? I bet there will be some Brits. Yeah. I mean, I think it'll be interesting.

I'm definitely, I'm excited about that. I'll give that a try. I'm more excited for that than I have been for any of Lisa's other spinoff endeavors. Me too. Like, what were the dogs going to do? The dogs weren't going to create drama. And famously Lucy, Lucy, Lucy. Juicy is like one of the worst plot lines of Beverly Hills ever. So where was the idea that this was

going to work? Wow. Getting back to the reunion at hand, there was one note. I mean, you know how people always talk about like the selling sunset music and like these fake songs? There was one song like in between commercial breaks that really just made me laugh. And it goes, you look so fly with your money, honey, F-L-Y. Oh, I wonder who, like, writes those songs. I always think about that. I'm like, whose job is it to be the interlude song?

Sometimes, sometimes those people will come up on TikTok for me. They're like, I'm a session singer for whatever, like, come with me on my day. It's really fascinating because when you think of the music industry, obviously, it's like, oh, like Ariana Grande, Beyonce, but there are so many people who are doing. doing all sorts of different things. And this, this type of music that they're using on reality shows is clearly, you know, buying a house for somebody. Right. I wonder if they're like unionized or if they, I don't know why. They're probably in, like, how does that work? Like, are they, like the songwriters are probably in like ASCAP or whatever. I don't know. Interesting. I'm very

interested in this whole dynamic. Like, because they might, they probably, there's probably so much music that those people produce that is just unrecognized as unclaimed. Unclaimed. There is. Very fascinated by that. I don't know about Vanderpump specifically, but I know on Spotify, there are like selling sunset playlists that people have made.

And a lot of that music is available to stream. And it's kind of, if you ever need to really just turn your brain off, I'm going wild. Like, it's very, it's very head empty, no thoughts, just vibes. It's perfect. It's perfect. I mean, think about the band that did the Vanderpump song. Dana Deadly.

I hope they're so rich. Me too. They deserve it. They're up there with, like, the White Lotus theme song, the Sopranos theme song. I feel like we're in an era of not that many great theme songs. And so, you know, Vanderpump, White Lotus. Succession. But that's all instrumental.

So it's like there's no like pop girlie getting her bag off of the succession theme, unfortunately. True. Anyway, should we go back to the reunion? Okay, I want to talk about the revelation of these teen high school twin girls who lived with Tom Sandibald. So, okay, so Kristen says that when she and Tom first started dating, he was living with twin girls who were seniors in high school. But he didn't know. He didn't know, but they were 18, but he was... So, Andy, this is...

So you were sleeping with twin high school girls and Tom Sandoval's immediate responses. Just one. Only Cassandra. It's like, ah, yes, only Cassandra. Right, okay. Oh, allegedly. I mean, you know that he was obviously... You know Sandoval. He was certainly trying to sleep with both.

I feel confident saying that. Maybe only Cassandra gave in. Yikes. How do you think they, they, because the fact that those two were at that photo shoot, like, was that just a pure coincidence, do you think? I feel like it was because that photo shoot was so, it didn't feel like it was something that was like a show thing. Like, we weren't really privy to like what the photo shoot was for that much or like how they booked it or anything. And I feel like if it was purely for a storyline, we would have seen like, I really want to get this modeling job. Yay, I got the modeling job. Today we're going to the modeling job.

Oh my gosh, there's drama at the modeling job. Whereas it was kind of just like we're doing a photo shoot. Right. I mean, it is possible that it was a stage modeling job. But also, if it wasn't, they got so lucky. And so did we, because now we get to learn that Sandoval before the show lived with two high school students. And he claims he didn't know. We're high school students.

How does that get missed? Oh, where are you going? Where are you off to at 7.30 in the morning? With a backpack. Oh, just English class. With a lunchbox and a backpack. Her lunch pail and a ludicously capacious bath. She's carrying around like a like biology one textbook.

You don't ask any questions. Right. Like, oh, none of your trapper keepers. She doesn't have any binders from school. Like, is she not getting her report cards mails? Like what is going on here? Hey, Tom, do you have a, do you have a Ti-84 calculator that I can use? Any batteries?

Do you have any batteries? You know that girl kept, you know that girl needed her batteries for her calculator. Maybe that's the origin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The batteries and pens were stocked. Yeah. Okay, what did you think? There were two other good sandal moments in the whole reunion.

One was there was this like inters, like sort of interval short segment, you know, and they do those like quick ones, which was about sandballs getting ready routine. Yes. And he claims it takes him 15 minutes to get ready. Everyone's like, no, it takes you forever. Kristen lists all the things he uses. She's like, he uses guy liner. Every makeup product in the world.

They talked about like his head shave. She said it was called the lion shave. The lion's shape. So we now have our answer to that. I'm so thankful. I feel like we've come so far in society, how long it's been since I've heard the term guyliner. Right.

Like it's just, it's the same thing. It's like, why do we have to act like we use different. shampoo. I guess maybe whatever. It's just a different. Okay, the funniest, I thought the funniest thing was when Sandoval goes, the hardest part of being a guy is doing all these things, but you can't look like you tried. Right. Yeah, he looks very low effort for sure. Yeah. It is like the evolution of Sandoval is something that's really interesting. But like I said, I mean, he had a couple solid moments. I think in this reunion, he coins the term getting jacked, which is, that's a moment in history about, he says it about when Jaxx broke up with Laura Lee after her recovery meeting.

She got Jaxed. Sandoval's biggest contribution. Jacks, by the way, claiming that he didn't put two and two together that he was breaking up with her after her recovery meeting. And it's like, what do you mean? Like, so you were at the meeting and then you broke up with her, what did you think the order of events was going to look like? Right.

And he was like, oh, she's mostly, she's. good after her, after her recovery meeting. It's like, I'm going to wait till the hour of the week that she's feeling the best about herself. And then I am going to step all over it. I mean, it is not at all surprising to me that Jacks Taylor of all people does not understand the significance of a recovery meeting and the fragility that might come along with such a thing. The man who walks into the bar and steals everyone's shots after the bar is closed. The bar is close.

So it was the last seven shots of the night. They'll never be able to get any alcohol again. Right. It's like, Sheena, please. You could figure something out. Right. Another thing that Sandoval did was that they were, okay, they were talking about Jack's going to therapy. And Andy asks, Jax, are you a pathological liar?

And he says, I think everyone lies sometimes. And everyone starts like screaming at him. And then Sandoval starts like fake crying. And he's like, I know he's a pathological liar. But I'm still his friend. It's like, why are you crying about Jacks being a pathological liar? Unless maybe there was a lot cut out. But it was just very weird.

Yeah, the emotion from the guys, we saw it a little bit in the finale when Jacks told them that he had lied and they're all like, basically we, we like rode for you all summer long. But this, in the reunion, it's a little bit like, I guess Schwartz isn't there. Peter only pops in at the end to pour some drinks. So Sandoval is the only other guy there. but like it is a little bit much. And it's like I don't think any, you know, what we saw on the season wasn't really worthy of you like crying about the status of your friendship.

No, I think he was just trying to get attention. Like when Andy asks why they ripped their shirts off in Vegas and Tom was the first one to rip his shirt off and he says he did it because quote, he accidentally took a Xanax that night. It's like, wait, what? Many questions about that. How do you accidentally do that? And then, Anzi asks, why does that mean you need to take your shirt off? And he's like, I don't remember why. Yeah, I'm not, like, well versed in, like, the brain chemistry of Xanax, but it doesn't

strike me as the, like, typical behavior that you're all of a sudden, like, amped up in a parking lot ripping your clothes off. Right. Even to me, the fighting element is kind of anti-Zanax. Right. Although, I don't know. I don't, I have it mixed. So, I'll be.

There were also, yeah, there were other, other, certainly alcohol and like perhaps, perhaps, perhaps other substances going on there too. Perhaps. Perhaps some, some, uh, pasta, tequila, whatever you want to call it. Yeah. It's been called in the course of this show. They were, they were having fun in Vegas, Sammy. But I have had so much fun recapping this whole season with you. And I'm curious, you know, before we, before we sign off of season one of Vanderpump, what has this, uh, what has this experience? brought into your life? Oh my God. I think it's really fascinating to watch like before they knew that

this was going to go anywhere. Yeah. So when they, when Sheena's saying like she has to pick up extra shifts, like she actually does need to pick up extra shifts because there's no guarantee that any of this is going to go anywhere. She doesn't know that she has a whole future in vlogging, in shenanigans, in, I don't know what else is sheena doing. Merch. You know, I think that it's so interesting because now they're so, like, we're seeing their personalities almost like unadulterated before they had been affected by what people said about how they acted. Before reality TV was really even, it wasn't so obvious what was going on. Yeah. I think knowing that seeing these people, you know, they got, even at this first season reunion, you know, they probably.

made a few thousand bucks each for this season. It was only eight episodes. I can't imagine their rate was super high. And, you know, it's been months since they filmed it. They're still all working at Sir, even Jacks, who made his big declaration that he was leaving in the finale. Like, it does feel watching season one, like it's kind of this perfectly preserved fossil of what we had before we knew what we had. And it's been fun. There was also no influencer. economy around it. So there was nowhere for them to like have other outlets for what was for expressing what was going on and you know sort of explaining the narrative. So seeing it just on like that one screen without any context was really, really fascinating. Right. And like how much their

worlds were rocked by a few girls driving up from San Diego to like be mean to Stossi at Sir because they had seen her on the show like knowing how far we've come now. And that it's like Tom Sandval like can't show his face in public without getting ambushed by TMZ at the airport like it's uh it's definitely changed a lot I mean absolutely all of these people have made

a lot of decisions over the last 10 plus years and you know to varying degrees of success but I think yeah just being able to watch something like this and picking it apart a little bit with so much hindsight it's been it's been fun it's been interesting totally also seeing what was appropriate at the time. True. So that is our Pump Rules Rewind for season one. I have really enjoyed this. I hope you guys have enjoyed it too. And if you have input, thoughts, suggestions, comments about

other types of throwback content of things like this that you want to see on the podcast in the future, I would love to hear from you guys, whether that is in a DM, a comment, or even better, a five-star review on Apple Podcasts. Let us know if you have suggestions. We are always, you know, looking to try out new things and see what we can bring your way. So thank you so much for listening. And thank you in advance for whatever feedback. And thank you, Sammy, so much for joining me for this season. Thank you for having me, Dylan.

It has been really, really fun. Don't forget to rate review and follow the show wherever you listened to your podcasts. There will be lots more great stuff to come. Follow us on Instagram at Bravo by Betches. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Mention It All is produced by Dylan Hafer, Sean Kilby, Jorge Morales Pico, and Rebecca Sousmakat. Editing by Jorge Morales Pico, Social Media by Dylan Hafer, guest booking by Dylan Hafer, and Ali Friedlander.

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