Mention It All - Ramona Doxxed Teresa’s Wedding Ft. Dave Quinn

Episode Date: June 1, 2022

Dylan is joined by journalist and best-selling author Dave Quinn, and they kick things off by discussing Ramona’s latest faux pas. Then, they discuss their run-in at the RHODubai premiere event, and share all their thoughts on the newest franchise. After that, they chat about Below Deck Sailing Yacht, and whether Below Deck could be included on future Bravo crossovers. Finally, Dave gives his takes on the new seasons of RHOBH and RHOA, and why fans need to complain less. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Betches Media presents Ha ha ha laugh funny Mention It All A Bravo by Betches podcast We don't say that But now we said it With Dylan Hafer Heyfer

Hey everyone Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast I am Dylan Hafer And today I am very excited To be joined Once again by a journalist And bestselling author

Who is also a good friend of mine Please welcome Dave Quinn Hi Dave Hey what's going on Dylan I am doing well I was so excited to see you yesterday at this Real Housewives of Dubai premiere event. It's always a fun time to be able to do things in person because we've been missing that. Yes, very much so.

I mean, there hasn't been an event like this in a really long time. And it got me pumped for BravoCon. Like, I am so ready to see everybody there. So exciting. Yeah, and I was talking to some people from the Bravo events team, and they were assuring us that the Dubai ladies will be at. at BravoCon, which is very exciting. I'm like, everybody book the plane tickets now. It's going to happen. It's going to be great. I cannot wait. And it's going to be in such a big location, right? The Javitt Center is

when I'm hearing. So it's like there's going to be even more opportunity. If you guys didn't get to go to the first BravoCon, there's going to be even more opportunity for tickets. Exactly. But before BravoCon happens this fall, there's going to be another, maybe a mini bravo con, you could say, and that's going to be happening in August at Teresa Judeis' wedding, which we now know all of the details on because one Ramona Singer just couldn't wait to gush about how exotic and glamorous the Lusite invitation was. And in the process, posted the full details of Teresa's wedding, including the wedding website and password, which then allowed people to go online, type in random names.

and see who was invited, who was in the bridal party. And it is really hilarious to me that Ramona, you know, started this whole thing of us now knowing everything about Teresa's wedding. I mean, do you think that Teresa's upset? Like, she must be furious. Yeah. And I saw somebody this morning. So, like, yesterday the website was functional.

People were, my friend Jake, he has a, I think Jake Ryan comments on Instagram. He went through and was typing in, like, all of the potential interesting names and seeing like, okay, everybody in the current Jersey cast is invited. Jackie, Margaret, they're invited. You can see all the girls trip ladies. Kenya and Lou are apparently bridesmaids. Like, you really can glean a lot of information from this. Dorinda's invited. Andy's invited. But apparently this morning, as of this morning, the website has been taken down. So maybe there's a new, yeah, there's a new web. website can happen. I imagine Teresa is upset because I'm pretty sure we hadn't, we knew they were

going to get married, you know, sometime later this year, but it was not public information, like, exactly where and when it was happening. Oh, yeah, no, this is everything. And I had heard some of the stuff on background. So I was like kind of aware. I was kind of tracking things, but this is like they have mentioned it all. It is all out there. And I heard something that Teresa posted on her Instagram story that the registry was fake and do not give us any money because there was a portion of it where it was said, you know, we'd love for you to donate for our dream honeymoon. But she then posted that that was fake.

Don't give any money or gifts to anyone. It is not going to anyone affiliated with us, which I thought was also interesting. Did people then make up fake wedding websites afterwards? Yeah, the, well, because obviously when people saw that there was a honey fund linked to this, they're like, really? Like, you really need donations for the honeymoon, but then maybe it's fake. Maybe it's not. I don't even know what to believe, but I mean, I don't know. I have mixed feelings about Teresa asking for money for her honeymoon.

On the one hand, it's like, yeah, people give gifts when they go to a wedding, but also it's like, whatever. I don't feel like I'm in a place to judge people like wanting wedding. gifts. Yeah, no, I mean, listen, let's just be honest here. If I was throwing a wedding and spending all of that money, I would expect somebody to give some back to me. So I'm all for it. Respect the hustle. Ramona took down the story with the invitation after everybody had obviously screenshoted it and blasted it all over the internet. But then she kind of just kept posting about her day. She was entertaining at her house. She's back in the Hamptons. It's like, okay, no, no sweat off Ramona's back. She's just going to live her life and, you know, go shit on some floors or whatever.

I am curious to see if she goes to the wedding, though. That's going to be funny. I mean, she's definitely going to the wedding. Are you kidding me? Now, I had heard that from a pretty close source to the action that Louis was really excited about there being a bunch of housewives there, that he and Teresa kind of love the idea that their wedding might rival Andy Cohen's baby shower with this many participants in there. So I think they are looking to kind of build this out with a lot of notable names. Yeah, but just remember that he didn't sign up for any of this. He's off limits.

He doesn't want, he doesn't want to be involved, of course. It's really wild to me that Bravo put someone on television who never signed a release. That is crazy. Right. And they got him to wear a mic without a great, you know. It's wild. Mild. Maybe when she says Dylan, maybe when she says that Louis didn't sign up for it, maybe she's thinking of it as an analogy when she says that. But she never told me it was an analogy. So I assume that he physically didn't sign up for it, even though that would be highly illegal. Yeah.

You know, it's some double standards happening there. I love it. We know it's going to be filmed. There's like rumors swirling about a spinoff. So it's not really surprising to me that, you know, everyone in the cast is invited. Like Jackie and Margaret, it's like, yeah, whatever, they'll probably go. It'll be a nice moment, whatever show it happens on. But I would like seeing the girls trip ladies back together would be fun.

I know. I think it'll be great. And I have a feeling it'll just be on regular housewives. I don't think that, I don't think that Bravo's producing a lot of, oh, I don't know. I guess they did that Karen one. It just feels like it's built for, because it's happening in the midst of the filming of the main season, it feels like it's totally just built for regular housewives. I agree. And I think with wedding spinoffs in particular, it's like that's the kind of content we want to see on a housewife season. We want to see you having your bachelorette party. You know, we we saw the Dubai premiere where Caroline's having her, you know, her hen party, her bachelorette. And it's like, that's just normal good housewives. content. I don't need to tune in six months from now and see that on like a three

episodes special. I'd rather you just channel that into putting it into a better housewife season. I feel the exact same way. And we saw, I mean, Dubai is a perfect example. We're going to see that wedding in season and Miami as well. You know, everything was in season. That's where it should belong in my perspective. Totally. And I think spin-offs tend to work better when there's like a real concept happening, like with Vanderpump rules and Candy and the Gang and Leva's show that's happening, like, those are all obviously on the restaurant thing. Like, it's just, like, I think we're kind of past the point of just needing to see more of one person because we like them on housewives. It's like, unless there's really something going on, like, I don't need, I don't need Bravo to, like,

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Without any spoilers, because not everybody has gotten to see it yet, How are you feeling about Dubai after watching the premiere? Gosh, Dylan, I cannot say enough about it. I have to be really honest with you guys. I've been kind of falling a little bit out of love with housewives. I think after working on the book and just being so saturated with them and a couple of bad seasons of a couple of my favorite franchises, my heart's just been a little broken and it just hasn't felt the same.

And a lot of people I know are obsessed with Salt Lake City. I did not feel the same sort of way. I enjoyed parts of it, but found it especially that last season just tedious and ongoing and never ending. And I just, I don't know. I haven't really been feeling excited about Housewives in a long time. I certainly haven't been feeling excited about Dubai based on that trailer, based on the promo. It's felt a little like a bit of a non-event. And then I watched the first episode.

And my goodness, was I wrong? I am completely obsessed. It is totally sucked me back in. It reminds me a lot of old school housewives in the sense that, you know, the first season of Orange County was all about letting us behind the gates into this community that many people knew nothing about. And that's exactly how I feel. I don't know anything about Dubai. I'm learning. I'm so interested in what I'm seeing.

And the friendships feel real. It gives me like kind of Kim and Nini and Cheray or Giselle and Charisse and Karen, like these longstanding, they have history together and frenemies, if you will. And I just feel like there's an elevation to the franchise. It feels fresh and exciting and rich, rich, rich, rich, rich, honey. It's just so good. I agree. After obviously just seeing one episode, it feels like they did a really amazing job. with the casting from a few different angles.

Like you're saying, the friendships feel real. There's, there are friendships and frenemy relationships and clearly, they're already throwing shade. And we saw yesterday they did, after the screening, they did a Zoom Q&A with all of the ladies live together on Zoom. And the way that some of them were starting to go back and forth with each other, even just on this like 15 minute Zoom conversation, I'm like, oh, when they're all in the same room for a reunion, sparks are going to fly.

going to be, it's going to be great. But I also think casting-wise, they did such a good job of finding a really diverse, interesting group of women to sort of introduce us to the different sides of this Dubai culture. Like you have Sarah, who is born and raised, Emirati, like, she has lived there her whole life. And she brings a total different flavor. She's a Muslim. She has a lot to say about kind of the cultural stereotypes or misconceptions about Dubai. And then you have somebody like Caroline Brooks, who is from Massachusetts, moved there with her husband, is now divorced, single mom, you know, kind of starting over. Like you, you, and Caroline Stanbury, like, you really have, everybody in the cast has such a different way in.

And I think that's really exciting because even though they're so different, it still feels like they make sense as a group. And I think sometimes with Housewives casting, especially when it's a new show, it's like you don't want everybody to be the same, but also it has to make sense that they would still hang out with each other. And it feels like they really have found that sweet spot of a cohesive group that has a lot of different elements. Yes, I completely agree. Do you have a favorite cast member already just from the beginning, from what little you've seen? I think from the premiere, Caroline Brooks is kind of standing out to me as like the it girl of the show. Like, I think she's the one that seems to me to have so much potential as like a shade assassin,

just like very funny in the confessional. She's giving a lot of, like, almost when I was watching it, kind of the natural thing is to compare to other housewives and to figure out who they remind you of. And I'm like, it's a little bit, a little bit Mary Cosby mixed with like half of the women from married to medicine. Like I'm getting a little toy. I'm getting a little Simone. Our friend Sarah Galley said that she was getting Simone.

And it feels very like she understands the assignment. And you can tell that her and Lisa and maybe a few of the women in the cast have definitely watched enough housewives where they know what they signed up for. They understand the assignment. And I think especially going to a completely new world like this, it's important to have some people on board. And Stanbury is like this too, where she knows what's experienced. of American housewives. Right, of course. All those analogies, I think, or comparisons are perfect.

I would add, she reminds me a little of charret and a little of Kenya in the sense that they know what they're doing. They're here to deliver. I was really drawn to Lisa. I think she's absolutely gorgeous. She reminded me a lot of candy in the sense that she has great relationships with a lot of her co-stars and seems to be able to kind of go back and forth. but we'll read you to filth if need be.

I just thought she was great. And of course, I think everyone will be quoting Ayan immediately. I mean, she's just instantly. And I said to you, she really makes Karen Hugar look humble. She makes Karen Huger look like a humble, you know, reserved human. Yeah. She's made for reality TV. Made for it.

Chanel Ayan is completely something new. I don't think we've really seen before in every way. And she had never watched Housewives before she got cast, she says. And it's, it really feels like she kind of has like thrown out the playbook and is just kind of like doing whatever she feels like. And it's coming on strong, but also it's very entertaining. And I'm curious to see kind of how somebody like her who's walking into the room being like, yes, I look fabulous.

I'm my favorite housewife, like all this stuff. I'm curious how we sort of get to see more layers of her as the show unfolds because I imagine there's like a little bit more of a soft center there than we're seeing right off the bat. But yeah, it's going to be very exciting. I think people are really going to like it. And the first episode was like a very fun surprise, I think. Yeah, I can't wait for everyone to see it. I promise you guys, I am not overselling it. I really, really am not overselling it.

It is very, very good. and I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. It feels like with this show and with Miami also the reboot, like they've sort of stepped up the production quality. They're getting a little more, it feels like they're getting a little more ambitious with kind of the look of the show. And I really like that because with,

also with Girls Trip, they did this a little bit. Everything just feels like a little bit shinier, kind of a fresh coat of paint on it. And I think with Dubai, knowing that they have this reputation of luxury and gold and riches, like, that's what people want from the show. And it really, it makes me happy that that's what they're delivering. And, you know, I think Miami was such a success when they brought it back that it's like,

I'm glad that maybe feels like it's rubbing off on some of these other franchises. Yeah. And Miami is a great connection. It also, a great comparison. It also feels like somebody pointed this out to me. I think our friend Jared said it's like a Netflix show, which I, which I agreed with too. It really looks gorgeous. They do something about halfway through the episode.

I've never seen anyone do something like that on a housewife show before. It is progressive, is exciting. The confessionals look new. They're really evolving things in a way that the show needs to be evolved. So I'm really impressed. The confessionals on this show, first of all, the looks are top-not. These women can dress. But the way they're doing the, there's like full body confessinals, which we've never seen on Housewives before.

And I love that when they're doing this, it's like, no, no, no, you're not going to come for the confessional in a cute top with sweatpants and slippers on the bottom half. Like, you're going to be dressed head to toe. The shoes have to match the dress. You're not wearing, you're not wearing like basketball shorts with a shimmery blouse. Like, we, we're stepping up the game. Yes. I like it. I like it a lot. It's so good that they went that far. It's so good that they made that level of change to it. Totally. Girl, winter is so last season. And now Springs got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs. You're thirsty for the sun on your shoulders. That perfect hang on the patio sundress. Those sandals you can wear all day and all night. And you've had a

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See you this summer. I want to talk to you a little bit about below deck sailing yacht because some of the guests I've had on lately aren't on the below deck train. So I haven't gotten to talk about it as much as I really need to in my soul. And I know you've been watching this season of sailing. Yes. And by the way, can we just say to connect these two things quickly? There is a moment in the Real Housewives of Dubai premiere.

where you're like, oh, there's an episode of below deck right here. Like, there's just like in the middle of it. It's like, oh, this is how rich they are. These are the people on the boat. Got it, got it, got it, got it. Absolutely. What are your thoughts on this season of sailing yacht? I'm really enjoying it.

I'm really enjoying it, too. Listen, I have loved Below Deck Sailing Yot since the reboot last season. I thought it was the best season of any below deck that we ever got season two. So I was so excited to come back and join it. And it's great to see the Daisy and the Gary of it all. That's a lot of fun. But man, I just find Ashley to be so horrific that I'm now in a space of hate watching it. Like each week, just being like, how more annoying can this girl possibly get?

I still think it's delivering top-notch content, but I would like to throw her off the boat if I could. she she just seems like somebody I would absolutely loathe to work with like I would be every single moment of every day that I spent on the boat with her I would be like is she for real like can we not can we just and I the way that Daisy has had to deal with her on the team this season when they had a conversation a couple weeks ago when Gabriella had left Scarlett was coming on as the new stew and And of course, all Ashley could think about was, I want to be promoted to second Stu because I can't wait to boss this new bitch around. And the way that Daisy had to sit Ashley down and be like, look, I know you want it. It's not a question of whether you want it. And at this point, it's not even a question of who's more experienced. You're not giving what this job needs, which is teamwork and leadership. and, you know, this sense of wanting to do the best job possible.

It's like even all the Gary nonsense aside, the way that Ashley just is about her job is so, so frustrating to me. I'm like, how do you not know that you're basically throwing this away right now? Yeah. It blows my mind. And I have to say, I appreciate that Daisy has been drawing that line and kind of hold her back in that sense. But I really do, watching it all back, I blame her for all the trouble this season. And I thought that Gabriella was such a good stew and such a great personality. And I appreciated the diversity of her inclusion and her opinions. And I thought that she was treated so

poorly by her co-stars. And I think that it really all stems from Ashley. I think that Ashley just poisoned the well. Totally. And, you know, you know, Ashley has this real or imagined whatever kind of relationship with Chef Marcos and Gary. And I feel like she kind of has like her, she has like her strings in everybody on the boat a little bit. And so even if those people don't love Ashley, she can kind of influence them with her, you know, and telling them talking shit about Gabriella and like, oh, she's so mean to me. She blah, blah, blah, blah. I was really sad to see how Gabrielle. as time on the show came to an end because it just felt like she never, she never did anything

wrong and certainly didn't do anything to deserve feeling so kind of alone and like abandoned by other people in the crew. And it's always, it's always frustrating to see that. And especially we've seen that happen a few times with women of color on this show. And it's just like, really, we're doing this again? Come on. Yeah. And that's where I really felt that Daisy, who I've long said is the best chief stew that we've ever had on any below-deck series. And I say that with utmost respect to Kate Chastain, but she even would admit this, that Daisy is so good at her job and so on top of it and also somebody, I think, made for reality TV. But I was disappointed in Daisy in how she handled the Gabriola situation. I don't think that she was an ally in that

situation. I don't think that she really was able to see past her own drinking to kind of step in and be a supervisor and help Gabriela in the way that she needed to. Ashley's the problem. Ashley is somebody who very clearly hates other women. She is somebody who is like openly aggressive and competitive. I mean, that new Stu Scarlett was so lovely and nice. And Ashley had to hate on her right away. She feels very threatened by everybody around her.

She wants all the guys to like her and, you know, freaks out if they don't. I don't know. I just feel like she's so toxic. And she expects things no matter what without doing any of the work. She's the worst. The worst. I don't like her. She does not support other women.

She is not a woman's woman. You're a woman who doesn't support other women. Yeah, I'm not a friend. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely, I agree with you. I think Daisy is so great at her job. And while I agree that she has, you know, faltered a little bit in the Gabriela's situation this season.

I do, it does feel like in the couple of years since Kate and then Hannah both left their respective franchises, it's felt like below deck as a whole has kind of been searching for those, for that sort of like next generation of who's going to be the real star of the franchise. We've had consistency with the captains. We've had some other people return. You know, we've seen Malia and Eddie and, you know, however you feel about those crew members. But it hasn't really felt like we've had those central figures aside from the captains like we had Kate and Hannah for such a long time. And I do feel like Daisy and maybe Gary kind of have that vibe about them that makes me excited for like, oh, if they stay on this show for five seasons, I feel like I'm going to be excited to watch as long as they're on.

Yeah. I think that they, I agree that they've struggled to find that person. I think that they really leaned on Bosons, thinking, you know, like those will be the steady things. But for me, it's always going to be a Chief Stu. So I want Daisy to stick around and I think they need to find more people like that. And I wish that they saw people like Gabriella who are strong as opportunities to develop them in the long run. Because they can jump franchises. Yeah, the thing with the Bosen's is that when I watch below deck, maybe other people feel differently, but like I'm never going to care as much about like boat drama as I am about people drama. And I feel like the Bosens, it's like the storyline is always like, oh, there's an issue with the slide or like, oh, the deck is breaking. Like, I don't know, boat things. But like, I'm always like, I don't really care what's happening with the sales. I care like who's hooking up with who, who's, you know, doing a bad job at their job and like which who's going to get like yelled out by the guests. Like that's what I care about. And I always feel like the stews are kind of more actively involved in the the parts of the show that I find exciting.

Yeah, I agree. The fighting. And the dealing with, well, the dealing with customers, the annoyance of dealing with customers. I don't know. It's not very exciting to watch people, you know, shimmy or sham, shammie, whatever it's called, boats and, like, put out water toys. It's like, it's boring. They're like, oh, there's an issue with the Genoa sale. And I'm like, great. I do feel like below deck sailing yacht is in a better place than either of the other two main franchises. So we'll see. I agree. And what are your thoughts on Australia? Are you watching that as well? I am watching it in general. I'm like probably, like a month behind. I have done a bad job of keeping up with it. But it was a strong start for me. I liked the crew they put together.

You know, I think Aisha is a great personality. And I think she has, she's one of those people where she started out, you know, not as a chief stew. And I do think that she has kind of matured into that role. well. We have a hot captain. I love the pairing of Toomey and Magda, just kind of like causing trouble as the stews. But I don't know. I do feel like with Below Deck, it's hard to, it's hard to keep up with everything that's happening. Yeah. I mean, I've said this before. I'm really excited about the idea of doing an oral history of Below Deck next. I think that that is like the next franchise built for a book similar to the one I did with Housewives. And I may have to wait a little bit until the adventure one. I think that's premiering later this year, right? I've called it below zero deck because it's just in the cold water area. So I feel like that's an easier name. I don't know

why they're calling it, you know, adventure, whatever it is. But yeah, I kind of think that the issue with the show is that it can feel very repetitive so you can oftentimes check out. But every time that I do check in and I've been watching Down Under and really enjoying it, Um, it's just, it works when there's good conflict aboard that those crew members and some crazy, uh, charter guests. So it always, there's something very satisfying about it. It's almost like watching HDTV shows in the sense that you like always know there's going to be a good payoff, a good reveal at the end. You always know there's going to be something that is going to deliver. Yeah. And I think it's, it's hard because some of the seasons of below deck franchises that

we think of as like weaker seasons, it's not necessarily. that the people aren't interesting or that anything happens to make it bad. It's just like for whatever reason that group of crew members didn't pop off in the same way that some of the other seasons did. But I think it's a show that benefits when you go back and maybe binge it or watch like a whole season because it's like sometimes you just like the vibes of, you know, they're just on the boat, they're making the food, the guests are there. Like it's a very, it goes down very easy. Like, it's a good show to kind of just have on. And I think below deck is like, it's never going to be housewives in the sense of like,

you don't feel like there's as high of stakes. It's like, yeah, we're just, we just work here. Right. And every ever so once in a while, there's a situation where somebody impregnates somebody and pretends not to be the father of their baby. And, you know, every once in a while that happens. And then it's, then it's like extra great. That feels like a fever dream sometimes that,

that actually happens, that there's like an actual child out in the world that was conceived on Parciful 3. A hundred percent. And that he like, he refused to acknowledge its presence until he got a DNA test. And now that it has been proven that John Luke is the father of Danny's child, that he's like not doing anything about it. He's the worst. Another worst one.

He deserves to be with Ashley, put them together. Oh, God. On worst island. Below deck, worst of the worst. Ultimate, ultimate worst trip. That's perfect. Below deck, ultimate worst trip. It's the two of them.

It's Caroline. Yeah, we can build this cast very quickly. What was her name? Was it Casey who lied on her CV a few years ago on below deck med? And it was like, oh, she's. Mila can be the chef for everyone. Oh, yeah, Chef Mila making nachos for every meal. I would like to see, I feel like it would be fun to do like an Ultimate Girls Trip style show of non-housewives at some point.

Yeah, I mean, I think that the door is wide open. In many ways, there have been that quote that Andy Cohen had famously said that like when the ship starts sinking, we'll throw a bunch of them on the island and see what happens. And then, of course, here we are. And that's exactly what he did. And in many ways, I think that he had viewed it back then as an opportunity as like when things aren't going well. But I actually think the opposite now. I feel like it's opened up this incredible world to play and to have fun. And I would love to see a show with a bunch of them together, a challenge type show even.

I think that the below deck people have plenty of potential in the pantheon of Housewives. Bring more of them to Summer House. You know what I mean? Put them there. I'd rather see them than Austin and Luke, wouldn't you? Yeah. Well, and even like with Winterhouse for season two, there's going to be some Vanderpump crossover. And it's like, why aren't we sending some of the below deckies to Vermont? Like, put them in the mix. Send that hot guy from Boston. He should be there. Bring him in it. Put Rocky on one of those seasons. Are you kidding Rocky and Lindsay Hubbard together? that's gold. And with Riley, how about Riley? Oh, my goodness. Oh, yeah. Well, and Riley, so, I mean, however you feel about Riley from her time on below deck, she is a Bravo fan. She will be, she will be up in my DMs,

and we will be, well, you know, she likes to, she has thoughts on everything. And so I'm like, get her back on TV. I think she's hysterical. I think she would be great, too. I'd love to see more of that sort of thing. And a similar All-Star show across, you know, all Bravo shows would be great. I don't know. There seems to be, like, they could do a reunion type show, if you will, with, like, old school Bravo personalities. So, like, you know, the Jeff Lewis and Tabitha and, like, all those, all that generation

of Bravo stars getting back together would be, I'd be fascinated to see them at, like, a round table, you know, or like a weekend away. just interacting with each other, talking about their time on reality TV. There could be a lot of fun to do with things like that. If Bravo wants to hire me, I'll produce them all. Yeah, Jeff was just with Patty Stanger and MJ and also Kelly Dodd and Shannon Bedore over the weekend. Yes, yes. They all hang out.

They talk. Yeah, they're all in each other's lives. And it would just be interesting to see. Again, I'm a huge Bravo fan from day one, from like show dogs, moms and dads. show biz, moms and dads, like those old, you know what I mean? Like, bring those people. Where's Duncan Nutter? Has anyone talked to Duncan Nutter?

I'd like to know where he is. So, you know, get Rachel Zoh back. Like, let's see some of these people together again. Put them on an island. But I am thinking a lot about Ultimate Girls Trip 3 and what their strategy will be. You know, there's been all sorts of rumors around casting. From what I've heard, nothing has been set in stone at all. and I'm so curious on how they'll figure out what they want to do.

Right. And the first two seasons that they've done have differed so much in the sort of casting vibe where we had more of an OG situation the first time. And then obviously the ex-wife thing I think everybody's very excited for. But yeah, it's like do you feel like every season has to have a theme? Or are you just kind of trying to cast on chemistry alone? Like, I think there are a lot of different ways it could go, but also I hope that they're putting real thought into it and not just kind of like, who can we get? Yeah, I guess, I guess this will work, you know, because I, the first season, I think it was really enjoyable, but partially because of the novelty of it.

And there wasn't that much going on. Whereas I think season two, it's like, okay, you really, you planned for chaos and you got chaos. But it's like, where do we go from here? Yeah, major things. I agree with you. And I think that it kind of reminds me of how the real world for years and years and years would just go to different cities and rely on great casting. And then all of a sudden it started to become gimmicky. It started to become like, you know, we're reuniting you with X's or, right?

Wasn't there like the real world? Explosion or like skeleton closets. I don't know. There was always some sort of gimmick. And I think that, you know, I think that that's, it seems if they've named this ex-housewives club that they're starting to go down this. idea of playing with that gimmick. And in that case, there's stuff to explore, right? I mean, you could reunite a bunch of former enemies or people with unfinished business.

It could be fun to have a season that's full-time housewives with former housewives from each city, you know, paired in that sense. So like Renna with like Camille or Shannon Bador with like Alexis Bellino. Like it could be kind of interesting if they brought them back in that way. And then the discussion becomes like, well, you're still on the show. I'm not on the show. What is the feeling around that? But I don't know.

I mean, is it just going to be luxurious getaways? Are they get a basin on where they're going? Is it going to be, you know, like someone said Thailand? I don't think they're going to Thailand, but maybe if they go to Thailand. Is it Ultimate Girl's trip, Thailand? I saw the Thailand thing. And that was one of those where it's like, here's the official cast that has been confirmed. And they'll be shooting the last week of June in Thailand.

And it's like, I think this is completely made up. Well, my favorite thing was that one thing I saw was like, Erica Jane is too expensive and they can't afford her. And I was like, all right, well, first of all, that's not true. Like, that's a, like, second of all, everyone makes the exact same amount of money. So it's not like, I mean, the way I've heard and the way all these women have told me that every season, they're given the exact same amount of money, regardless of who's spent on the show longer or what and not. So there isn't any sort of Erica,

is costing more than anyone else would. They all cost the same. She may have turned it down because she didn't want to do it, but she didn't think the money was good, but it's not because they couldn't afford her. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, at this point, it's like, I don't think Erica's in the position to turn down much of any check, but. Yeah.

I mean, I get that too. I would love to see her on it, by the way. I would love to see a lot of people in this. I mean, I think that nobody wants another ultimate girl's trip without. Potomac being involved. They haven't been in any of these. So we need to have Potomac somewhere. And the obvious choices are Giselle and Karen.

And if we're starting there, that's already a good show. Completely. And I think depending on sort of what angle they choose to go, you could have, whatever angle you do, you could have somebody from Potomac. You could pick somebody from any city for any theme. And I think that would be interesting. But yeah, it is, it's like you don't want to just throw these shows. together with no kind of thesis of what you want, what you want the vibe to be, what you want

the group dynamic to be. So I am curious to see kind of how they choose to go about it. Do they ever add some kind of competition element or like, is it ever more of a structured thing? I think like you were saying with the challenge type of thing with the below deck people, like that could be really exciting. But I also think a lot of the housewives might not really be interested in doing that. That's true. Dereet's not going to be like crawling in mud for anybody.

That's true. What about like Ultimate Girls Trip canceled island? Like it's like Leanne Locken and like, you know what I mean? Like all the, like Kelly Dodd,

like all the people that Ramona, maybe we throw like Stasi and Jacks and grilling there. Like it's just like all the canceled personalities that Mary Cosby, Cameron Westcott. Right. But, yes, I mean, maybe that's what it is. Maybe it's ultimate girls from canceled island.

Jesus Christ. That'll be on whatever streaming service Donald Trump is working on. He can do Real Housewives of Canceled Island. It's perfect. Oh, my God. Before we finish up, I want to get your thoughts. You said that you've been like a little fatigued with Housewives in recent times. I want to know how you're feeling about the new seasons of Atlanta and Beverly Hills.

And if you have positive thoughts or maybe some. constructive feedback, just kind of where you're at with those. I'm really enjoying Atlanta. And again, I'm enjoying Beverly Hills, too. I'm just not excited about them in the way that I felt excited about Dubai. But I'm enjoying Atlanta a lot. I think that the new cast shakeup was a smart decision to help evolve the show and move it forward.

I'm still a little weary of Drew. I really am a huge fan of hers as an actress. I'm a big step-up fan. so I was very excited when she joined. But I'm feeling like there's a lot to sift through with her and Ralph, and I'm having a difficult time caring because I never really cared about them as a couple before. And I don't really care about her aside from it, because all I know is how bad it's been. Like there hasn't been scenes of her confiding in her friends, crying about it, feeling upset, right?

Like, I haven't gotten that idea that this is really. really something that she's struggling with beyond like that's just the dynamic of their relationship you know you have couples who are constantly fighting but they almost get off on that you know it doesn't seem like it's something at pain so i'm having a difficult time i've only known them to be in a bad marriage it's not like you met shannon bador season one everything looks so happy and then season two boom david cheated oh my god what's going on right it's like wow this is so bad that i'm not really surprised and i'm having a hard time investing. It's like when the Jen Armstrong news. I was just going to say Jen Armstrong.

Yeah. It's like, right. Like you have to like I believe it. I sympathize whatever. But it's like if I don't have a basis of and with Drew and Ralph, what they're saying to us is that they their relationship is strong enough to be worth fixing. And for us on the show now in season two of Drew and Ralph, we've never seen them anything more than neutral, I would say. We've seen a lot of bad, maybe a little bit of like we're not fighting right now, but we've never seen like happy times with them. It doesn't feel, I don't get that. So it's like if you're telling us that this relationship is strong and worth saving

and true love and all of that, it's like then when does it, when does that happen? You know? Yeah, I've yet to see it. because I don't care about that, and that's been so heavy in the first couple of episodes, it's been hard to get excited about Atlanta, though I know there's big things coming between Kenya and Marlowe and Candy and Marlowe, and I'm excited to kind of see that evolve. I also just think it feels so different that Portia isn't around, and I love Portia, and I'm very happy for her success and her happiness.

She seems to be, you know, supremely happy with Dennis and what, excuse me, Whoops, with Simon and wants to get, she seems to be very, very happy with Simon and I want the best for her. But it was very clear that she did not like Kenya and for years would kind of refuse to play with her. And I think that it hurt the show in the long run. And I'm glad that it's nice to see this is the first season we've ever seen Kenya without Portia on the show. And you can see Kenya just feels so much lighter and everything just feels so much lighter. And I think that that dynamic between the two of them really dragged the show down. So while I'm not saying, you know, I'm glad Porsche's not on the show anymore because I don't like her.

It's more that I'm glad that they're both able to thrive now without another. So that's been fun to see. And then as far as Beverly Hills is concerned, I think I'm just, you know, the phantom is so difficult sometimes. And I mean, they want Erica dead. And it's not really fun to watch because at every second, they're just so angry towards Erica all the time on social that like, you know, whether you like Erica or not, I just don't like seeing that sort of visceral hate 24-7. It's not fun to experience. I'm enjoying the show. I always like the dynamics.

I appreciate a good villain when I see one. So I'm like, you know, I always love the messy Renna. I always love, you know, even how much Eric. has been kind of defending herself against Sutton. But I have a difficult time with the fandom. I have a difficult time with the blind loyalty towards people, you know, and feeling like Sutton could murder someone and they would be like, Sutton's the best.

You know, it's like I'm a little over like how people just ride so hard for everyone so much. And it seems like there's a mob mentality right now that Sutton and Garcell can do absolutely no wrong. and that, you know, Renna and Erica are the devils and, like, it's just not fun. I feel that. I think in my own personal viewing of the show, I tend to side more with Sutton and Garcel, but I agree with you that it's like the show wouldn't work without the opposing force. Like, I saw someone post the other day. They're like, oh, when, like, when we get Rina and Erica and Kyle off the show,

and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, what would the show be? Like, everything that Sutton is giving us wouldn't really work without the opposing force of Erica or of her thing with Rina or, you know, that she's feeling like manipulated by Kyle in some way to say that she has this emotional reaction. It's like all of those dynamics that you're enjoying, if you're loving this one half of the cast, those dynamics wouldn't exist or at least not in the same way if the other half. half of the cast was just, like, gone. That's not how these shows work. So you really, I mean, totally there are times when I feel like I want someone off the show where I don't get why they're there. I don't think they should be there. But, like, in this case, I don't really get

the argument of, like, fire this half of the cast. Yeah. And it's so funny because it really, like, rubs off on other people, too. So Diana, I think, is a perfect example. I think Diana's a great housewife so far. She's really rich, right? She's got great money. And, She's got an interesting story. She's got this young husband. Are they married or boyfriend or whatnot? She's got this baby at her age. And it's, I don't know.

I mean, I think that she's kind of a cool person. I want to know about her. But because she's friends with Renna and Erica, everyone hates her. And everyone is just at home saying like, why is she here? She doesn't belong here. Where does she fit? Get rid of her. And it's like, I don't understand where that is coming from.

I don't understand where you can't see through it all and just. let her exist for a bit. It's very strange to me. Right. And as we've seen, coming on the show as Rina's friend certainly doesn't mean you're going to stay Rina's friend for more than a season or two. No, not at all. I probably, maybe she won't even make it halfway through, but it will be fun to see at least. Like, let's just enjoy it and appreciate Rennar for what she's doing. She's storing the pot and making mess. And you need that to happen. Because if nothing was happening, you'd be so bored. I've complained time and time again about this. You know, Erica could show you her bones and you'd still say she was lying.

Renna is damned as she does, damned if she doesn't. I've seen people criticize her for not talking enough about the fact that her daughter was dating Scott and talking too much about it. If you hate her, you're going to hate her forever. But I don't think it's fun to watch housewives and hate these women. I think it's much more fun to just like kind of feel indifferent towards all of them and just enjoy the mess. Just enjoy the mess. Enjoy it. Have fun.

Don't you want to have fun watching the show? So that's why I'm not really on social media as much anymore because it's not nearly as fun. I just want to watch the show and have fun. Just eat your fucking food. Come on. Exactly. I'm like the Kim Kardashian of Housewives instead of saying like nobody wants to work anymore. I'm sitting here being like, no one wants to have fun anymore.

Just fucking watch the show and have fun. Right. And if you're listening to this. podcast, you clearly enjoy it enough to listen to us to talk about it for 45 minutes. So I don't want to hear too many complaints. Yeah, have fun. Enjoy it. Live your life. Oh, my gosh. Well, Dave, always a pleasure. Thank you so much for joining. Tell everyone where they can find you, follow you, get your book, all of that. Thank you. First of all, I'm always honored to come on. And I really appreciate you so much, Dylan. You were just such a positive, loving force. Every time I see you,

You're so funny. And I'm a huge fan of you. So it feels a lot. It feels really cool to be here every time. I am on social media that I'm not using as much as I often do. But at nine days, N-I-N-E-D-A-V-E-S, you can find me on Twitter and Instagram. I do still write and report on Housewives, so you'll constantly see my stuff there. And then, yeah, I have this little book called Not All Diamonds and Rosey, which is an oral history of the Real Housewives.

And it's available both in audio. form read by the hilarious Amy Phillips and on bookshelves now. Amazing. Dave, thank you so much. Always a pleasure. And thank you everyone for listening. Don't forget to rate, review, and follow the show wherever you listen. You can follow us on Instagram at Bravo by Betches.

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