Mention It All - Ramona Ruins Shabbat (RHONY, Below Deck Med)

Episode Date: August 11, 2021

Bari and Dylan kick off the show with some Bravo updates, including BravoCon’s cancelation and Jen Shah’s trial date. Then, they recap RHONY, and release their frustrations about Ramona’s horrific behavior at Black Shabbat. Why can’t this woman just shut up? Then, they discuss Below Deck Med, and question how this cast is getting along so well. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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With Dylan Hafer. Who don't check me, though? And Barry Rosenfeld. I need to start drinking alcohol. Now go to sleep week. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I am Dylan Hafer.

And I am Barry Rosenfeld. Hello. Hello. Shabbat Shalom. Shabbat Shalom. Salome to all who celebrate. Well, it's not literally, but we have on our podcast Friday. Ramona's not invited, though, to any future Shabbat events will be hosting.

I'm sweating. Yeah, what a time. What a time to be alive. Some updates since last time we recorded BravoCon not happening in 2021, unfortunately. I agree with the decision. Yeah, I mean, it's just the kind of thing where like BravoCon, you want it to be like everything you want it to be. Yeah.

And the fact that there would be like a question, you know, like, are you doing like these photo ops with masks on? Like, are you trying to social distance? Like, there's so much going on. You're inside the whole weekend. Yeah. I think it makes sense. Yeah.

It's just sad because it was something we were like looking forward to. because we thought we were like over the hump of the world right now. Yeah. And like we're not. I know. I just want to be over the hump. I know. Oh my gosh.

And then it sounds like Jen Shaw's trial is getting pushed back a few months as well. It was supposed to start right after BravoCon. And now it's likely going to be early 2022. They're like basing it off of BravoCon. No, there's like some sort of like courtroom traffic. jam where like I guess they're not at like full capacity and so they're like yeah we don't have like the facilities for this right now I'm I wonder if Jen is like happy that it's getting pushed back or if she's like just get it over with like if I have to go away for two years I wanted

to start now yeah I mean personally it hasn't happened to me but if I had the choice I think I would want it to happen you're like when I'm facing a prison sentence I do think like I was listening to somebody with a little more legal expertise talk about it and they were saying that there's just like a lot of evidence to go through so her legal team might feel like they need more time but

yeah I mean it's not looking great for Jen regardless but maybe you know maybe if it takes another six months for her trial to start she'll be able to film a third season before that again personally the last thing I'd want to do but like I could see them doing like

an expedited filming process for season three if they feel like they're gonna be able to maybe like milk more out of the gen stuff but I'm so curious because we are

there have been lots of rumors the last week or two about that this Salt Lake City trailer is gonna drop any moment and it hasn't yet so I mean with our luck it'll drop in five seconds from now just gonna say that with our track record it's about to drop and we'll finish recording

refresh my Instagram right now just in case Well, because it happened last week. I know we literally, anytime we just hit stop recording, something happens. But last week when we were going over the new Erica episode of Beverly Hills, that's when that whole thing when Lisa Rina posted that she was in a, got in a fight with production. And it was like, it happens after we give our opinion on what happens during the episode.

And then more news comes out. So. Yeah. I mean, whether they release the trailer today or next week, Salt Lake City is coming soon. I'm very excited to see what's happening. We also, Vanderpump Rules, they shared some photos from filming their new season promo looks. So that has to be coming down the pipeline, you know, any second now. So old Vanderpump Rule seasons was on yesterday.

So it was just getting back into that. And then today, they must be going through like, I don't know what Bravo's doing, but old school Beverly Hills is on today. And it's just like, if you have nothing to do today, which most of us have, work, but if you don't, just dabble in the... I'll find time for both. Yeah, slightly off topic. I started watching love and hip hop at Atlanta from the beginning.

And it is like, it feels like you're on a different planet than like real housewives. It's so interesting because it's like, in theory, not that different, but it feels so... But the drama is a little different. It's more like, it almost feels more like you're watching a soap opera that is technically a reality show, but like the way they filmed the scenes is like very, it feels very like staged. Okay. Speaking of this, as all listeners know that I am in Stan of Real Houses in Miami. Of course.

So I watched that new documentary Coquine Cowboys on Netflix this weekend. Oh, I heard Alexia's in it. It's so good because I'm just like into that genre, I should say, not, not. I want to find me a cocaine cowboy. So all of a sudden I hear this voice and I like look up and I'm like, oh my God, that's Alexia. And like, and you really get more of a background of like her fan because you know about like her husband or ex husband and her kids like from the show,

but not into detail as much. And so she's in it. And also Roy Black who is Leah Black's husband is a huge attorney down there. And he was the attorney for like the people in the dock. So it's really cool. I've been seeing like some some little like tweets about that and stuff, but I haven't watched it. So I'm glad you. It's really good.

I'm glad you found it interesting. Yeah. Okay. Let's talk about Roney. We've we've dawdled enough. Okay. So this episode, uh, we start off with some little, you know, moments around the city, checking in with each of the women.

Um, Ramona is practicing for her to get her real estate license. And we see her doing sort of a pretend showing. and, you know, it goes, I would say, about as you would expect, Ramona seems, she does seem knowledgeable about the apartment she's showing, but she also seems insufferable while showing it. She also seems to, like, hit whoever is in front of her. I was like, it's weird. Oh, my God. She has this, like, reflex of just, like, slapping someone for, like, I don't know if it's supposed to be funny or if she just is like. supposed to be funny, but she wasn't, she was being serious, it seemed. Like, she was like,

she was almost like in elementary school, you're giving a presentation and like your teacher's like class quiet out and you're like, I'm talking. Like, I'm giving my presentation. Like, that's what it felt like. Yeah, it's like, I get that Romona wants to be perfect or whatever, but it's like if you're doing this practice showing to get better, like your mentor giving you a few notes isn't, is what's supposed to happen. I mean, listen, she does seem like she knows she is practicing. She knows what she's doing, but she just takes everything to like the next level where it's like not fun anymore. Like she's and the other thing that annoys me that she does on that ongoing list I have is she gets in the person's face. Like she was like, oh, I'm doing it. And like she was like

nose to nose to Michael Lorber. I was like, back up, babe. Yeah. You're doing great. Yeah. I don't know. I still wouldn't want Ramona to show me an apartment, but I'm really not in her price range anyway. So I guess I don't have to worry about that. Okay, let's talk about Sonia's date with the man whom she has already deemed husband material. And after seeing this date, I just have to say, if Sonia married this man, it would make me sad. Okay. Well, my thought is, first of all, I thought the date was very cute. It was a day date. They went to lunch. Like, they were alone in the entire place. So I was like, oh, Lord, that makes it a little more awkward. But- Well, remember, this is in like November, December, indoor dining in New York City was not allowed at that point.

So the only reason they're even at a restaurant is because it's like a film set. Right. But like it seemed, okay, I get what you're saying. Yes, he's not who she's been like dating in the past and whatever. But I'm like, wait, he like kind of brought her down to earth a little bit. And it seemed like they were having a very cute, real like conversation. And I was like, I could see this for Sonia. Like, I could.

but at the same time maybe not. It's just hard because I think Sonia, on one hand, she wants somebody that's going to provide, you know, like stability and a lifestyle and all of that stuff, which is great. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. But on the other hand, like, I do think she's the kind of person who wants something to be excited about and somebody who's going to like really enrich her life. And I feel like, unfortunately, some of these men that she meets that maybe check that first box aren't actually that interesting or that exciting.

And when she's sitting there, like, listening to him talk about his four back surgeries and how like when the disc herniates, it's like the jelly coming out of the donut. It's like, is this really all there is? Okay. But at the same time, she doesn't even have the house in France anymore. He sold it. She's giving it a chance. She even said she's going to just, she's going to just. she's going to just like that's what I tell myself every week too I'm just I'm like gonna sit there and

just swipe till my finger like you're like I gotta find one like I will see I have my doubts about whether we'll ever see this man again but he he did seem nice like it wasn't a it was a little it was a little awkward but it wasn't like a bad date necessarily we've seen worse certainly certainly we've seen worse um then we have Evan meeting with the forensic geneticist who is going to try to locate her father using her DNA profile. Ebony didn't know this was a thing. I didn't know this was a thing. It sounds cool if it works.

Yeah, I just feel I'm glad that she's doing different things, but it's like almost it's that exact thing you won't know unless you try. So it's like I don't want her to be let down, but so I'm hopeful. But, you know, it's exciting to try new things. I wonder how much something like this costs. I know. It was making me a little nervous for Ebony when this woman was like, yeah, like, with any luck, like, we'll have results in a week. Like, you can have family by Christmas.

And I'm like, is that like really how? Is that really like it? You can have family by Christmas. It's like the worst thing ever. I mean, Ebony specifically brought that up. But like, it just was kind of like, I feel like that's like a best case scenario timeline. line and I hope for Ebony's sake that she gets what she wants out of this because I think we've seen people I mean anytime somebody's going through like a family journey it's just

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job, first of all. And second of all, like, you can tell, like, it was very meaningful for her. And, like, I don't know. It just, like, felt very a beautiful scene to watch. And then it all went fucking downhill. Also, she was, like, she was, like, genuinely really sad that she couldn't be there because of COVID. And I didn't know.

I forgot she had, like, I don't remember her having it. Like, when. She didn't, she didn't have it. Um, she was exposed. And so she had to quarantine in case. until she like tested negative and everything. That makes sense. Okay.

But it was just like, even for the second on the bus when Ramona was complaining about how Leah was going to be on Zoom and, you know, that she's, you know, with this amount of time, we could just go to dinner in the Hamptons. And it's like, that's not what we're doing right now. Like we're doing something specific that Ebony planned for you guys. And it's not dinner in the Hamptons because that's not the only thing that. has value. So there, like we were talking about this, there really were no words. Like, every time I see her do something, okay, whatever, it makes for good television. But like last night was like more than disrespectful and just like an actual loss for words that like I don't even know what to, like, I don't, I don't know what to say to explain it. Like she, it's the perfect

example of her, if it's not about her or if it doesn't have to do with her. And she failed miserably trying to make it about her, then she needs to, like, leave and walk out. And that's what happened last night. And it's just, like, you were in someone else's home who you never even met before, first of all. And you were there for, like, a really special night. And it was just, like, just sit there and just be quiet once. Yeah.

I feel like, so this season, we've had a few different events or dinners or whatever, where Ramona has kind of done us. similar thing. You know, like in Salem, when they were at the restaurant turned tattoo parlor, you know, it happened in the Hamptons. But it's when it's only around the group, that's one thing. You know, like Ebony clearly has had her issues and had to deal with a lot of bullshit from Ramona this season.

But Ebony, at the very least, has signed up to be on the show. she is clearly willing to put in effort to try and work with Ramona. But for Ramona to basically then do that same like problematic bullshit at a dinner where you're with strangers and like Ebony's friends. And it's obviously, you know, there was, what's her name who was hosting? Archie. Archie, yes, who Sonia thought was going to be a boy wearing sequence. But it's like, so Archie's there. And Archie was really like trying to kind of talk to Ramona.

But then you have the other people at the dinner, Ebony's black friends who basically didn't say a word. And I don't blame them because I would have been mortified if I was sitting there at that table. I can't imagine watching Ramona across the table talk about how she was discriminated against because she wasn't Jewish. It just was so it was so tone deaf. And like that word, I feel like gets overused. But in at watching that dinner, it truly was like, shut up. Like why? Like if you don't agree with what's being said, why can't you use like a social cue and just not say anything?

It's so strange to me because like we've all been in awkward situations or situations that we didn't love. And it's like I feel like the natural human response is to just like shut up and wait for it to be over. Well, yes. And also there's a time and a place like to either defend yourself or to speak your mind or whatever. And that just wasn't it. But it also started with her being rude to Archie about her like her table scape. And she's like, and she said the word unused.

She goes, this is unusual. And even Archie was like, wait, what? And because she didn't know Ramona's personality at that point. So she was like, wait. Then she was like the napkins are like blankets. And Archie was like, well, I made those. And like it was just like, shut the. fuck up. Oh my God. And so, you know, also I, I compare her sometimes to Sonia because Sonia's a very,

very, very good mingler. And so she went up to Ebony's friends. And that's when she said the joke about Archie. And she was talking, she called herself a shi so it's like, you know, someone who's not Jewish. And so she knows how to play the game. And like she's a very lovable. And Ramona, I feel like just tries to do that and just like doesn't land the plane any time. Sonia is so much better. like when Sonia doesn't know a lot about something, she's so much better at seeming curious in a positive way, whereas Ramona seems like she just is like, I don't know about this.

I don't like this. I don't know. This isn't for me. And whereas Sonia, like, yeah, it just comes off so much better. Like her delivery is so much better. And it just is like, it's just so frustrating to watch Ramona like time after time.

And I mean, Luann wasn't quite on her best behavior either, but Ramona was like next level. The snowballs were really weird to me. I'm like, you're at a stranger's house. Like, get your shit together. I'm laughing because verbatim in my notes, do you want to know what I wrote? I was embarrassed watching that her behavior is so beyond.

I don't even have words. Like, I wrote that down. Yeah, I mean, it's extremely cringe. And I feel, I feel really bad for Ebony because she planned this thing. And especially because Leah can't. be there. Leah obviously is horrified too. And, you know, Ramona like can't even sit down to listen for 10 seconds of like why her behavior is troubling. So I laughed out loud twice though last night. Both happened to be Leah Seans when she said that when Romona was saying how she was my jaw,

I can't look at some stuttering. I can't when she was like, I went to school. Like I was discriminated because I was Christian and Leah was like Jewish people didn't like you. Like she's like, I'm sure nobody liked you. It's like nobody, not just the Jews. And so then when she said that Ramona's IQ was the size of a walnut or she has like the IQ of a walnut, I don't know. I just thought that was funny. Sorry we're having like a legitimate roasting Ramona episode, but that's what that was. Okay, I will say one thing on a different note.

it occurred to me when Leah couldn't come to Shabbat anymore that would have freed up a spot for Bershahn. I know. Oh, yeah, you're right, but I think she was just using. Half the reason Breshawn wasn't invited was because of this, there wasn't enough like space in the room. Which, by the way, looks like there was more than enough space at Archie's house if we even wanted to go.

Yeah, I don't know what kind of like regulations they were. working with. But I mean, it just was rough. And we get it to be continued. I'm a little bit like there's more. Like I know. So they, you know, I always laugh at the term to be continued because like it makes no sense because there's always an episode the next week. But when you leave off, I get, I saw we're still at dinner. So I was like, oh my gosh. Like what else could possibly be said or done like at this dinner? But I sold you last night, Jackie Hoffman. And Durinda was on watch. Happen's Live. Durinda looks so freaking good. She did look good. I didn't watch the episode, but I saw they looked good.

And he obviously asked Jackie, like, how she felt about it. And Jackie was like, the blacks and the Jews, we take 5,000 steps forward and Ramona brought us back 10,000 steps. Like, it was true. Like, people watching were like, oh, my God. And then you almost wonder, like, what did, Ramona couldn't possibly feel good about watching that episode. Like, no way. I hope not. Like, I don't know. But I hope she felt like. No, no, no. I know what you mean.

Like, if she didn't feel embarrassed watching that episode, that concerns me. But also, she's like in Aspen for a month right now living her best life. So who knows if she's even paying attention? Let's talk about Below Deck Med a little bit. This episode, I will say after the last couple weeks of Lexi chaos, it was like a little bit of a come down, which was probably needed. There wasn't any, like, massive. drama, Lexi kept her shit together, really, I thought, better than I expected. These charter guests, Athena was driving me nuts.

I really want to like them. And I feel like they're actually good people. Like, they're not bad people. But like, service-wise, I was like, girlfriend, they're bringing the food. Like, it's one thing to be like sitting and you're like, oh, my God, it's been an hour. Why is there a food guy? Like, you have to physically eat your food before they bring out the next course. Also, at that dinner, at that dinner when she said, oh, can I have a salad?

And then like five minutes later, in the middle of dinner service, five minutes later, she's like, can you check on the salad? It's like, he's making it. He didn't know 10 minutes ago that he had to make a salad. Like, it's coming. Also that she asked to move her seat because it was just move your chair. Just move your chair. Like they set the whole tables up, whatever. And she's like, yeah, this is awkward.

And they were like, oh, you want to move right now. Oh, okay. okay, like Katie's holding glasses and stuff and she's like, okay, she made it way more awkward than it needed to be. I will say I also wouldn't have been satisfied with those cakes. I mean, no, that's not. Like the decorations, the printed out decorations are one thing, but the cakes themselves were like limp and flat and not nice looking.

So it's one thing when you make a box cake, you know, and you make it's two, like you make two and put them together like and then you put the frosting in the mat. That's like what they were, but they didn't put them together like so there should have been. No, he made like two sheetcakes flat. Yeah. With like one layer of frosting each.

Like Matt, you're a little better than that. Like you're you can make a cake. Cakes have always been cakes and nachos. Cakes have always been a problem. I was surprised he didn't try to order out the cake because they've done that on below deck before where they've just ordered a cake. And I

I was surprised he didn't, you know, because he doesn't like doing the crew lunch or the, you know, the breakfast or anything. So I was surprised he didn't try and get that taken care of. He was almost doing such a good job because he was trying to earn like his spot back that he was like, well, I can't focus on the case. Like he can't handle too much, which is fine, but not when you have to do that. Obviously, like, everybody is human. Like, there are limits. but like the problem is that the things he has issues with tend to be things that we've never heard other chefs complain about.

Like the crew food has the crew food I don't remember ever being an issue like that. So it's like, okay, like that's part of the job. Yeah, the only issue like in the past with crew food is that they, they will eat less. Like you'll get food, but it'll just be when like the guests are done like if I have time. but like you can't opt out of doing it. Like they have to eat. Right. Okay.

So after the charter ends, Captain said he calls Matt up to the bridge and he thinks he's getting sent home. And then she tells him that he did such a good job on this charter. And she loves to finish with the same crew that she started with. So he gets to stay for the rest of the charter season. I'm happy. I'm glad. I have mixed feelings because I want to know what happens now to poor chef Luca who's

been in quarantine this whole time. I hope he still gets like paid to not work. Yeah. Because it's like I just don't really understand. Like I think Sandy is one of those people where she can be so like wishy-washy when it comes to leadership decisions. And, you know, like sometimes she's so strict. And then with something like this, it's like, okay, like the question never was whether

he could cook, like, whether he could, like, physically make the food. So why after, like, one day, are you all of a sudden so confident when before you were like, I can't have a chef that I don't trust? I don't know. I just feel like it's one of those sandy decisions where it's like, really? No, I agree because that's why you have to think that a lot of these are personal and not professional decisions because we've seen some in the past. But also speaking of Sandy real quick,

we have not one time seen Sandy pay attention to table decor this season. I feel like the second Hannah left that boat, Sandy forgot she ever cared about table decor. And the amount of times that she got on Hannah about her like basic tables, I'm like, dear God, what is happening? Not on Hannah for anything. But she, Matthew was so funny when he walked back and like the camera, like the one that's like above you when you walk in the hallway.

And he was like, Captain Sandy's giving me a third, a third try. Like, it was just so like, not like, like, wasn't meant to be like shown, but it was, it was like, I hope he doesn't. I hope he learns from this, which I think he has all like, allegedly already, but that he doesn't like continue to think that he can just get multiple chances in life, like doing things because it affects other people. But also the fact that when they went out that night and he like paid again, like for dinner, everyone was like, you don't need like stop. That's like weird. It's a little weird. Yeah. I feel like that's one of those things where it's like, if you want to buy everyone a round of drinks, gladly.

Great. Thank you so much. But like paying for the whole dinner. It's a little bit like. Yeah. And he's done it already. Well, he did it for the drinks the first time. But at the same time, it's like if you keep doing this, it's like now I do.

I feel like I owe you something. Like, I don't know. It was. I don't think the thing is like that time people were like, you owe us this time. I don't think anybody's really mad at him anymore. Like, the crew seems to like him for the most part. That's the thing I like about this crew, like this season in general, although there has been like a one-off drama,

this crew, it feels like a little family. Aside from Lexi, there really aren't big issues within the crew. And I think the biggest difference from most seasons that we've seen in the last few years is that there genuinely aren't any toxic men on this season, at least from what they've shown us so far. And it's like, okay, so like, David has this crush on Malia. And, you know, he makes it clear that he feels that way about her. But he's not like, he doesn't seem like skeezy about it.

He's just like, look, these are my feelings. Do you feel the same? And she politely declines. And he seems okay about it. And I think that's the kind of thing where like in the past season, you might have seen like in a similar situation, the guy would have been like, oh, she's not that hot anyway, like blah, blah, blah, blah,

like basically being like fuck that. Whereas I don't know, everybody on the boat just seems normal. And like when Lloyd has his emotional moment at the end of this episode about his like sexuality and how he's been treated in the past, like it just felt like such an authentic, like kind, sweet moment. And like it wasn't just like one. person. It was like the whole crew except like Lexi was a little awkward. Like everybody truly like wanted to lift him up in that moment. Yeah, Lexi's just always seeing what she can snack on like in

in the cupboards. But she what's happening in there. I'm going to like chill over here. But I did understand when they handed her a shot and she was like, I don't understand. They like want me to loosen up and have fun. But last week they were like never drink again. And this week they're like giving it to me. So I think it's like no, Lexi, taking one shot. is okay and and not like going off the rails. But, um, yeah, well,

they were all saying too after Lloyd got upset that it's, this industry is still very old school. They're, they're making changes and it's just taking a little bit longer than usual. Like when she said to Z, she's like, don't worry, Z on this on,

on the deck. You're, you're just green. Like that was so sweet. Yeah. Because it's, it's, it's,

yeah, this industry is a little bit of, um, problem, but they're working through it. They're working through these problems. It looks, though, it looks next week, like Lexi maybe isn't going to keep her shit together as well as it seems right now. I mean, she can only keep it together for so long.

Are you kidding me? I know, like she made it through a whole charter and a night out without any issues. Like, something's coming. She needs to breathe out eventually and, like, it's going to, I don't know who it's going to be. The Satan is going to come back out. it's like Satan we're ready for you again oh gosh let's stay Satan come on in what a fun what a fun episode oh my god

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