Mention It All - RHONJ Is Back (And Already A Glorious Mess) Ft. Jordana Abraham (RHONJ Premiere, Summer House)

Episode Date: February 2, 2022

Jordana Abraham joins Dylan once again to break down an epic RHONJ season premiere. They dig into the dynamics of Teresa’s relationship with Luis, Joe Gorga’s behavior, and WTF is going on with Jennifer Aydin’s marriage (and nose). Later, they discuss the newest episode of Summer House, and debate Craig’s handling of the Paige and Kristin situation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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With Dylan Hafer. We're going to check me, though. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I am Dylan Hafer, and I am so happy to be joined again today by Jordana Abraham. Jordana, welcome back. Hello. How are you?

I'm great. Thank you for having me back. I'm, you know, I had so much fun last week, and I'm so excited to talk about new seasons. So much to talk about this week. Feels like things are happening. You have, you've like come into the fray at a very busy time on Bravo. We got Vanderpump reunion last week. We have New Jersey this week. Obviously, Summer House, uh, standing strong from week to week. Um, this jersey premiere, I feel like was hotly anticipated, you know, since they were filming last summer. It seemed like there was a long wait. But, um, boy, are they

back and I not a minute too soon. I'm very, I love Jersey. I love Jersey too because it, it never, it never has like a complete dud season. Like, it always come in hot and I feel like they, you know, they don't disappoint. Yeah. So going into this season, it is, you know, noteworthy because I think it's the first time in Housewives history that we've had the exact same cast for four seasons now. Um, what are your thoughts on? And are you kind of like, oh, like, it would be fun to get some new people in the mix? Or do you feel like this cast still has enough sort of room to explore that they don't need it? I feel like this is a very, very strong cast.

Like, to me, there's no clear, like, there's no one who is not bringing anything to the table. So I'm into it. It seemed like they were, I'm a little confused about what they're doing with the potential new girl. With Tracy. Yes. Tracy, that's your name. I think this is the second season in a row where we had, last season we had Michelle, this season, Tracy, where it was kind of like when they were filming and you're hearing

like rumors and stuff, everybody's kind of like, oh, the new housewife, Michelle, the new housewife, Tracy. And then obviously whatever happens, you know, during filming and after the fact, they decided not to give either of those women their full-time status. with Michelle, I definitely think that made sense. She seemed like kind of a dud. But with Tracy, it's interesting. Sometimes.

They kind of like see how the footage goes and then decide if they're going to be a full-time or part-time. I think it depends on the situation. Because if you have somebody like Denise Richards getting cast on the show, she's getting promised a full-time contract. You know, she wouldn't be doing the show otherwise. But I think some, a lot of the time when there's, you know, kind of a more random person getting cast, They sort of are just filming with the show and then it's decided later on.

But Tracy, I mean, she's like present in the premiere. She gets a confessional right away explaining at least her version of how she and her husband got together. But yeah, I'm curious to see kind of like where she fits in throughout the season because clearly they didn't give her that full-time status. But I definitely think last season was kind of an important moment because I felt like Jackie kind of like leveled up a little bit last season in terms of like what she brings to the housewives game and so I feel like now after that kind of it feels like a very level playing field in this cast there is no kind of like weak link or person off to the side and it feels like now that they've all been on the show together for a few years they really do know each other have you know kind of like backstory with

each other and it feels like everything is kind of constantly shifting, which I, I'm excited to see. And even, you know, in this episode, we see, like, new battle lines have been drawn a little bit. Totally. The dynamics are always kind of, I feel like, I feel like Jackie, Teresa scared Jackie last season. And she's like, she's kissed the ring a little bit. Do you know what I mean? Like, I do think she's like was sort of last season, she was a little bit more like, I'm going to like make a name for myself.

and then she like got a little scared off by that. Yeah, and I think Jackie is in a strong position because she is so close with Melissa and Margaret. Like, you know, she kind of has that pack that's never going to let her down. But also it is kind of wild to think back to last season. And then on the premiere, you know, Teresa is having this pool party. And Jackie is talking about how she's so excited to go to the pool party and she can't wait to see everyone. and, you know, Teresa included, and she and Evan are joking about how, you know, Teresa doesn't want him to wear a shirt.

And, you know, I kind of, I think you're right that she kind of is, like, kissing the ring a little bit. But also, I just love when housewives are able to kind of have this big drama and then really actually move forward. And I think Jackie doesn't want to always be in a fight with Teresa. And so she's sort of, like, probably glad that they can move past it because Teresa does not seem like a fun person. to be, you know, on her bad side permanently. And I'm glad that... Totally.

It feels very stressful. Like, because Teresa's never, like, not showing up to things. So, like, I remember last season, like, Jackie, like, didn't go to a thing or two because of whatever the fight was. And so it's really, like, it does seem, like, harmful to go against Teresa in terms of your airtime sometimes. Yeah. I mean, that when you're getting into the place where you're skipping filming events because

you don't want to see someone, I mean, that's the danger zone in terms of, you're terms of like if you want to stay on the show because like you either have you either have to you know get over it and show up to filming or hope that the other person stops showing up and you know with teresa it ain't going to happen that's never happening yeah if anyone she'll be the last one standing have no doubt about it um but this we start this season and one of the big kind of you know trouble areas right off the bat is joe gorg versus the daughters who are still frustrated with Joe over all the stuff he said about their father last season. And I, this is a, this is an issue where I feel like I really see both sides.

And they kind of got into this on Watch What Happens Live last night, where it's like, Joe is always going to want to protect his sister. And I think he is totally valid for having the feelings he does about Joe Judeyce. but at the same time, I understand why, you know, Gia and Melania and the other girls, like, don't really want to hear it. And so I think it is a tough position, but I don't necessarily think there's like, I don't think it's like Joe is so wrong and he has to apologize. It just kind of is what it is. Right. I mean, I am team daughters on this one a little because I think it's totally fine that that Joe Gorga doesn't like their dad, that he's like, you know, maybe resentful, has a lot of these thoughts.

But and it's a tough position because they're on TV, right? So in the real world, if he didn't like the, if he didn't like, uh, what are we calling him, juicy Joe. If he didn't like him, he could just, you know, say that to Teresa or say that. But here it's like on, you mean, not say it to them because I do think it's disrespectful. If that's someone's father, they don't want to hear anyone, you know, talk negatively about their father and they have a right to that. They're kids.

You know what I mean? like they shouldn't have to be put in the middle of hearing someone talk shit about their dad and then they have to be defending him like I do agree that's not right doesn't sound like he said it to them it says it sounds like he said it on air and so because they're on TV it really amplifies it and I'm sure they get a lot of shit from their dad being like your uncle said this your uncle said that like are you defending me are you doing that and they're really I do feel bad for kids especially as a child of divorced parents I do always feel bad for kids who are put in the middle because it's a very unfair and uncomfortable position to be in.

And also the thing with Joe Gorga is like he never has to see him ever. It's not even like he's in filming and he can't control himself and he's right in front of him and it's just driving him crazy. Like he's in a different country. He literally never has to see him again. He can like he's not even allowed to come back. Exactly. So he's like it's like the best possible situation if you don't like to someone that they're

banned from being in New Jersey like or America. So I think he should, I think respectfully to his daughters, he should say it, say it off air or to, he can, he can have these feelings, but just don't let them hear them. I feel that. It is, you know, it makes things more complicated because, you know, in real life, we don't have to sit down for reunion shows at the end of the year. And, you know, you have, you bring out all these feelings and obviously there are cameras everywhere and you're sort of encouraged or required to, you know, dig back into these emotions. torches and I think you're right that if you if you weren't on TV maybe it would be a private conversation between Joe and Teresa but for the most part you probably just wouldn't really talk about it ever you know right Joe Gorga wouldn't have a reason to be bringing up you know Teresa's ex especially when Teresa doesn't seem that concerned with what her ex is doing you know she is very loved up in her love bubble with Louis for better or for worse and you know

I think she kind of is out of sight, out of mind a little bit with Joe, Jude Ice, and like, you know, they go to the Bahamas and hang out a couple times a year, but he's not really in their everyday life. I mean, maybe on FaceTime and stuff, but like it's not a dynamic that they're constantly having to work through. And I think, yeah, like, it's more of an issue for the daughters than it is for anyone else. And so it makes sense that Joe Gorga could maybe like butt out of it a little bit. Yeah, I mean, it doesn't really affect him anymore.

Like, Joe doesn't, is not have an impact really on his life anymore. I get he is like this built up resentment towards what happened with the family. And I know that he drove a rift with their parents. But it's kind of like he needs to deal with that on his own and not involve everyone else. Yeah, like maybe that's where therapy comes in. Maybe you talk about a dear therapist. Speaking of Louie, though, that is clearly going to be a main. focus of this season. Teresa's new relationship, now she's engaged. They're not, they're not engaged at

the time, but she tells us multiple times that they've been together for a long time now, which in her world means that they met 11 months ago. And they're about to move in. I'm curious, you know, you obviously spend a lot of time thinking, talking about relationship stuff. I'm curious to get your take on Teresa's mindset right now because it feels like she is extremely all in on this relationship. You know, obviously buying a house together is a big commitment. But just in a more general sense, it feels like she has made this relationship with Louie kind of her whole world. And I don't know how I feel about that.

Yeah. I mean, to me, it makes sense for Teresa. She is very, she's very black and white. she's not someone who has like you know is like cautious about things she's angry she's really angry and she sees and she doesn't like you like she doesn't like you but if she does like you're you know what I mean like it's very she's very loyal and she's very into you so to me it makes a ton of sense it really goes with who Teresa is to me um that being said obviously I don't think it's like the healthiest thing I don't think you should ever like marry someone or make that kind of a big move

until you're with them for at least two years, just because, like, we see, you see in relationships that's sort of the amount of time it takes for, like, the lusty, like, intensive attachment romance to, like, really settle. And then you can, like, sort of see a little bit more clearly. And so I think she's in this very, this initial, like, phase where she's obsessed with him. And she, and there's nothing wrong with that. I think that, like, that's great for her. She seems really happy.

And she's, like, she does seem like she deserves. that it must be tough to be on this show as the only single person also while the husbands have their own show and they're doing their own thing. I can see why she would be lonely and and really want to be with someone. I think it's good. But I wouldn't I wouldn't make moves that quickly, especially with so much on the line, you have four daughters. You have a lot at stake. You have a lot of money at stake. If I were her, I would go a little slower, but maybe they won't get married for, maybe they'll have a longer engagement. I don't know. Yeah. Because it's like she's talking about her love bubble and it's like maybe if you're still in the love bubble,

then it's not time to be getting engaged yet. You know, like... Exactly. You have to wait until you, until the person starts annoying you a little bit. So you can assess. Right. Like, you got to, I mean, because, you know,

there's the, whatever, honeymoon phase, you know, new couple thing. And just in terms of Teresa's lifetime line, being on this show, last we saw her at the end of season 11, she and Louis were seeing each other, and he was on the show a little bit at the end of the season, but it was clearly still a very fresh thing.

You know, he was just kind of coming around her daughters for the first time. And, you know, it's almost a little bit jarring to come back in to this season, you know, less than a year later. And it's like, no, this is done, like, selling the house, moving in. I'm going to have two sons, like all of this stuff. Very fast, yeah. All new drinks are now at McDonald's. with refreshers like the strawberry watermelon refresher

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The big thing that comes up this episode is this video. that has surfaced of Louis at this, you know, warrior men's camp, something, he's being, he's like in the middle of a circle on the beach. There's like chanting. He's apologizing. Dylan, have you seen you? I have not, actually. Okay.

I was going to say, it reminds me of seen in there, but sorry. It worries me that that's the comparison that comes to mind, though. That seems like a red flag. But so this video, I, you know, I always love the way they edit stuff like this on Bravo because, know we're having our nice little ease into the season, you know, the girls are sitting by the pool and everybody's at home with their kids. And then all of a sudden there's the dramatic music. And it's like, have you seen the video? Do you think Teresa's seen the video? Are we going to talk about the video? And this video really becomes the focal point for the rest of the episode.

It's funny that the editing was so intense that like it kind of made it seem like one of those, like someone was getting arrested or something like that. It's just this video. And obviously, I kind of see on I mean I usually I think Teresa is like a very controversial character I'm not necessarily like a huge fan of hers but I do see where she's coming from like if you took Teresa on paper and you gave it to someone there would be a lot of red flags with her

she's been to jail she's doing she's been to jail she flips tables she's pulled someone's hair in a public place like if you took Teresa's rap sheet on on paper I see what she's saying like our passes are past And like, I think her stuff is a little more concerning than his stuff, to be totally honest. But we know her so it doesn't seem like that big of a deal. I totally agree.

I mean, the thought of obviously whenever somebody comes into these shows as a, you know, potential relationship partner, everybody's always kind of, oh, like, what's this person's deal? Are they just a fan of the show and they want attention? But you have to think about the flip side that it's like thinking about, you're on a dating app and you match with Teresa Judice, like, everything that comes with that, it's like, we all got our baggage. And anybody who's been on Housewives for more than a couple of seasons, their baggage is not that small themselves. And public.

Yeah. I mean, I definitely don't feel like I'm in the camp of like, Louie is a horrible person and they should, you know, she should run for the hills as fast as she can. And for me, it's more a thing of like, I feel like there are some red flags, some question marks. And I worry that she is not kind of paying attention enough. And that makes me concern for her. But I don't necessarily, I feel like there are some people who are like, Louis is a monster. He's a scammer. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Like she's going to get hurt. And I'm like, you know, we'll see. I don't feel that strongly either way. It's so funny. He didn't say like one word the entire episode. He was like barely said anything. So I mean, I guess it was a weird scene for him to come into. Clearly he was like slated to be filmed then and like didn't really feel like going.

But yeah, I agree. I think she should, that's a good reason to sort of take your time with someone. And I don't think she should stop dating him. But I agree she shouldn't be like running to a lope immediately. Yeah, I, I love the scene of Jackie going over to Margaret's house. And they're sort of, you know, talking through everything. And the two of them to me feel sort of like the voices of reason a little bit on this show, like the normal people kind of compared to everyone else.

And, you know, they agree that Dolores or Jennifer would be the best ones to bring up the video because, you know, Teresa would probably feel a little bit more supported if they're the ones to bring it up. That doesn't quite pan out at the pool party. But, you know, then we also get to. at the very clear picture that Margaret and Jackie are not fans of Jennifer. And there is a lot of a lot of angst about what happened at the reunion last year and also these social media posts, which I loved that they, you know, highlighted those back on screen because that really was a messy time and it feels like a long time ago. But there was a lot said, you know, Melissa and Jennifer

really were trading jabs. And, you know, Melissa is one of those people where she's not one of the messier housewives. And so she's not someone that really comes to mind when you think of being shady on social media and kind of like, you know, having the drama like that. But, you know, she and Jennifer really got into it. And I'm glad that that is sort of a thread that's carrying over to this season because I think it's really, you know, Jennifer is somebody who's so reactionary and so can be so volatile. And so I kind of like seeing her in a position where she is like. like going to be, you know, up against it a little bit. And I think that creates a lot of opportunities for some great TV. Totally. I think she doesn't have, sorry, I agree. She also, she doesn't have good impulse control. So as soon as she thinks of saying something, she just says it, which is great for TV. And as, uh, as Margaret says, Jennifer is all smoke, mirrors and foggy diamonds. Which is just like such a good read. Amazing. Amazing insult.

So we do get Nicole, who's Nicole, wrong show. We get the Gorgas and the barbers at dinner together, and that's our first introduction to Tracy and Tiki. It's Tracy to me, obviously it's early. We're not quite sure yet. She seems a little messy to me. Like she seems like she is extremely willing. to listen to what Melissa and Jackie have to say about Teresa, Jennifer, whoever, and kind of be like, okay, tell me more, tell me more. I feel like she's gathering information in a way that feels like it could be, you know, important down the line.

Totally. I mean, to me, it was almost like she came on this show to dispel any, I mean, I didn't know who she was before this, but it came, she came on the show. And the first thing she said is like, I wasn't cheating with my husband when we met nine years ago. And I was like, okay, this is like a lot, this is a really long game for you to like really clear the air. It almost seems like that was her purpose was to, yeah, they, to clarify that. They gave her that whole confessional moment where she's explaining the whole story. And I, I was not aware of this, but I have gathered that apparently this was like pretty big

gossip news when it happened. And people are saying, again, like, you know, there are three sides to every story. But people are saying that really his wife was like eight months pregnant when they met and that they definitely were cheating. And so I think, again, I don't know the truth, but it makes sense why she feels like she needs to kind of get her version out there because there are, I guess... He said eight weeks, right? Yes, exactly. And that they were separated. So I guess knowing the context a little more of what the narrative is about her, in the public eye, you know, she really does feel like she has some, some shit to dispel. But it is interesting to do that in your first scene on the show.

Right. Coming in hot. Yeah, it makes me kind of think I'm like, oh, what, no? I wasn't aware of any of this. So now I'm very curious. Right. Yeah. It's not like she is like Jennifer Aniston coming in and we all have these preconceived notions.

Like no one would have known for at least for, I think the real, I think the real. I think the Real Housewives world is not, this is not have a ton of overlap with the sports, um, super sports enthusiasts, which is I think what her husband is famous for, right? He used to be football player. Yes. That I know. Yeah. I was kind of like, oh, I didn't even know this, but thank you for this information.

I know. Yeah. But so going into, going into Teresa's pool party, which is kind of like the, you know, centerpiece of the end of the episode. there is more drama between Teresa and Joe Gorga because at the husband's show in Atlantic City, you know, it's this like comedy show, whatever. Joe Gorga is a stand-up comedian now, don't you know? They're doing like an audience Q&A. Somebody asks him about the video, and his response is kind of in a joking way to be like, when I saw that video, I've never

missed my brother-in-law so much. And I mean, I thought it was a funny, I thought it was a funny response. I did think Melissa was right that he was kind of like trying to deflect it a little bit. Like he could have, yeah. He could have talked more shit about Louis if that was what he was trying to do. But also I understand why that wasn't like the nicest thing to say. But you know, it gets the people going and they, you know, flip-flop on whether they're going to go to the pool party.

Obviously, they end up showing up. Thankfully, we like everyone to go to the filming events. But yeah, this whole thing just seems like a mess. Yeah, I agree. I mean, what else was he, if he had, almost if he had like shut down the question, it would have been like more awkward if he had just been like, no comment. Like that would have been kind of jarring almost. Like what else?

I think he did the best he could, especially your, it's not like he had the questions before. It seems like it was a live audience question. And he just did his best in that moment to make a joke. I thought it was fine. To me, that was like reaching a little bit. I wonder if Louie was actually upset about that. because Teresa seems very, very overt Joe. So to me, I'm kind of like, I'm surprised he would care that much.

Yeah. And I actually really loved the way Teresa handled it when Dolores brought it up at her pool party because she was like, oh, that's so nice that Joe's not that. That he misses Joe too nice. Like, that's nice. And Teresa, for once, is using the fact that people think she's dumb to her advantage. because nobody is going to question that joke going over her head. And she's like, yeah, I don't want to talk about it.

So I'm going to pretend I don't get it. And I'm like, honestly, good for you. Brilliant. Yeah. It was great. She really just like, I mean, she diffused it very well. If she had not already, the thing is, the issue with that is that everyone knows that she was already fighting with Georgorga about it.

But if she had just done that, it would have been, or done that first. It might have been a better move for her. Yeah. It was like, that's another situation where if the cameras weren't there, it probably would have worked out. But considering we just saw the scene of them arguing about it, it's like, well, we know that you actually did care at least a little bit more than that. Ready to soundtrack your summer? With Red Bull Summer All Day Play, you choose a playlist that fits your summer vibe the best. Are you a festival fanatic, a deep end DJ, a road dog, or a trail mixer?

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So we do get a scene of her having family dinner at home. I feel like she's always having family dinner at home. That's like her go-to. Does she have a chef? Who's cooking for all these people? I know. That's a lot of people. We know Olivia is setting the table.

She wants to know if they need salad forks. I was happy to hear that Jen and her mom are back on good terms. The whole stuff with Jen and her parents was, I feel like, really a bleak point of last season. So it makes me happy that everything seems at least a little bit smoothed over there. But that wasn't the only thing that happened while Jennifer was in Turkey. Oh, wow. I still yeah at first I was very confused because it seems weird that Jennifer wife of a plastic surgeon less than an hour away from New York City where you know there's a lot

I hear there's a lot of good plastic surgeons decides that she's going to go and get a nose job in Turkey from someone she saw on Instagram seems weird for a logical person I think at first glance, right? Yeah, to me, it wasn't so much weird that her husband didn't do the nose job because it's like, yeah, I get it. And like, you know, maybe she was a bad patient. Maybe that's just, whatever. She said on Instagram that Bill's specialty is the body.

So maybe, you know, for the nose, she wanted to do something different. But it's like, does Bill not have a friend? Does he not have a colleague or a referral or a recommendation? Like that was what was strange to me because, you know, I feel like if I, you know, I'm a podcaster. I'm a social media person. If you wanted to know like another person who has a podcast that I think is good at having a podcast, I could give you a few ideas.

Right. It's like, do you not have anyone else? What should I listen to? In your field that you would recommend. And that, so that part is a little strange to me. I mean, not to mention the fact that I don't know about the final product of the nose. Yeah. So here, here's my theory on what happened here.

Jennifer has said in previous episodes that although she has a lot of money she does not like to overpay for things she said that before I think she was talking about like some furniture in her house or something that she got from maybe China or something so she said that before

here's what I think what happened is some some plastic surgeon in Turkey DM'd her and was like hey like we'll do this for free if you want to do it when we're here in Turkey and she was like oh like yeah I could like I'm going to be in like I could swing by and get a free nose job.

So I think that's kind of what happened. And she maybe didn't like, it was kind of like a reactionary decision to that that maybe she shouldn't have just taken the free Instagram nose job. Again, this is me speculating, obviously not based on any. That would not surprise me.

I mean, we know that a lot of these women get stuff for free or for a discount or, you know, to post about it or whatever. And that, I mean, that seems a little more likely than just that Jen was like, you know, Googling Turkish plastic surgeons.

But yeah, I mean, you never know. I mean, as long as she's happy with the way it looks, it is what it is. I did think it was like sort of brutal that she walked into the pool party. And Jackie immediately just like cannot handle the nose. Yeah, I mean, I felt bad. No, I'm not going to stop. It looks bad.

And I'm like, yeah. Like, they couldn't have been that far apart. Like I feel like Jennifer like maybe could have. heard that. Yeah. I mean, poor Jennifer, but also like not, but also yes. I don't know. I very make, you know what I mean? Sometimes I feel I have mixed feelings about Jennifer. Like sometimes I'm like she's, she's stirring the pot just to do it. And she says really that mean things that are really below the belt. But other times I'm like, oh, I feel bad. It does seem like everyone's like a little on her. Yeah. And she, so she and Jackie are talking at the pool party. And she expresses that to Jackie. I actually

thought this was kind of a really fair observation from her when she says that, you know, Margaret and Melissa and Jackie really all have each other's backs and that Jennifer has Dolores and Teresa and yeah, they're friends, but she doesn't feel like she really has that same hardcore support system that everybody else in the cast has from at least one person. And, you know, I think there's a level of, I don't know if she's really, like, earned that level of trust or friendship or whatever. But at the same time, I can acknowledge that that has to feel rough when you feel like everyone else in your cast is supported on a certain level and you're kind of on your own. And I can, you know, I can feel for her in that regard. Although I feel like Teresa, I mean, it's funny because I was watching Watch What Happens Live, I think.

and some of, maybe it was something else where she was like, no one's ever really had my back. Teresa is very much for herself as well. Like, Teresa is like friends with Jennifer and she'll use her for whatever she needs. But she is, Teresa's, it has Teresa's back and that's basically it. Yeah, Teresa said that on Ultimate Girls Trip. And they asked her about it on watch what happens live last night. And, you know, I'm sure Melissa has feelings when she hears Teresa say that, but I don't think she's wrong. But also Teresa doesn't have anyone else's back.

So I can see why no one would have hers. Yeah, Teresa is very much like a, you know, every man for himself. And, you know, for better or for worse, I feel like she sometimes has been let down by that strategy. But also she's the one still standing after 12 seasons. Right. But yeah, so then, you know, Jackie and Jennifer are having their little moment. It goes okay. And then Margaret comes over and things really, you know, take a turn.

And, yeah, we end the episode with a pretty explosive revelation from Margaret that Bill was having an affair. She says with a doctor's assistant and Jennifer, to her credit, correct? Confirms it. She confirms the affair, but says it was a pharmaceutical rep. You get the facts right, you stupid bitch. And I, that is one thing where whatever you think about Jennifer Aiden, it is really. it is really like masterful the way she can be totally like on her you know pushed up into a corner and she still is like no no no no get the facts right my husband didn't cheat with this person

he cheated with that person stupid bitch yeah oh my god yeah that was a great way to end I was like what a you know what I mean what an edit um great way to end and to me that makes a lot of I mean they don't say when this is do you know when this happened um I don't know like exact dates but it was definitely, I think, recent-ish. Like, since she's been on the show, it's not like a 10-year-old rumor. Oh, that is shocking. I had, I mean, I guess we'll find out more about,

I would assume we'd find out more recently. But that is kind of shocking. To me, I was kind of like, in my head, when I imagined this happening, I imagined it happening like years ago and then just kind of being unearthed now. But the fact that it happened recently is like much more embarrassing.

I think for Jennifer because she shows this like extremely happy marriage. She got this enormous ring for their. What was it? I forgot what anniversary it was. Yeah, that's, that's her. And it also makes sense, I guess, if this was happening during the show, why she had so much angst towards Margaret for being this like other woman and she keeps bringing that up, calling her like, you know, any slutty or whatever. Like, I think that she is clearly very triggered by that. So that that kind of makes more sense in the context. Right, that if her hatred Has at some point seemed kind of random And if it's coming more from a place of personal insecurity

That doesn't make it justified what she said to Margaret But it at least kind of gives you the context where you're like I understand like the route she took to get there I can't believe Bill did that I liked him I know one watch what happens live moment that I want to call out is Andy asked Teresa whether it was worse for Margaret to say the thing about Bill's affair or for Teresa to start the rumor about Evan cheating on Jackie.

Oh, that was so funny. And Teresa's, I mean, obviously she says Margaret's thing was worse because it's facts. And hers was just a rumor. Which is so much worse. And he's like, isn't it worse to start a fake rumor than to say a fact? She's like, no, because the kids, they didn't know the facts. And now they know that it's a fact. Whereas with Evan, it was just a rumor and it's not real.

And it's like, right. Like, if we're going to upset the kids, it should be about something that probably didn't happen. It is. That doesn't make any sense. The way this woman's brain works, I, it needs to be, like, she needs to donate her brain to science when she dies one day because that needs to be studied. I mean, it's honestly, it's almost impressive. She is like a dog with a bone.

she will not, she will not let go. Like she is not, if she doesn't, it's kind of like I'm saying with like the Louis thing where it's like, if she likes you, she will justify any way to continue to like you. If she doesn't like you, she will justify any, anything she does that is like against you. Right. And it's honestly remarkable a little bit how much she and Jackie seem to be getting along now, considering that she never fully really admitted that what she did last season was fucked up. She pretty much managed to slide by on that one.

But I'm very excited to see where this season is going. This cheating rumor, well, it's facts. Apparently, it's on rumor. I mean, that was my whole, I was shocked that she immediately confirmed it by saying that it happened. The cheating news feels like the perfect kind of inciting incident to really get us into the meat of this season, which obviously we have a long way to go. This episode is brought to you by Prime.

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just quickly because obviously we had a lot to get through with Jersey. So we finish up the 4th of July. You know, everything is what it is. Carl's six months sober. Sierra is like drunk and jumping all over him to celebrate that. I want to talk about

Kyle and Amanda have a very interesting conversation back at home in the city. And we learn that Kyle took out a $4.2 million loan to fund the growth of lover boy. And this is, I don't think this is information that we really had before. And he sort of uses this as his reason for why he needed to get drunk to blow off steam. He's really stressed. this it's it's interesting to get into the the finances of this situation because lover boy seems very successful but obviously a $4.2 million loan is a large burden to carry right I'm surprised he even got one got a $4.2 million loan as an individual because he doesn't have any assets to like

right what I mean for someone to approve that like what does he own that someone would would give him a $4.2 million loan he doesn't have how how he doesn't have any assets to like right what I mean for someone to approve that like what is he own that someone would would give him a $4.2 million dollar loan he doesn't a house that he can put up, you know what I mean? Also, I'm surprised he doesn't have investors at this point who like would be giving the 4.2, I mean, at this point, he's been around for a few years. You would imagine he wouldn't be putting up the money himself, which is sort of the crux of like, that's, to me, it didn't make any financial sense. But sure.

Yeah. Let's just take it. I believe him. But like, I believe him, but I had a lot of follow up questions. It does feel like. I am a little bit encouraged this week that it seems like after that weekend ended, he was able to cool down a little bit and have a real conversation with Amanda. I don't know if, you know, not that having this loan is like an excuse to be making poor

decisions when you're drinking, but I felt like at least he could sort of like dignify her with a response, whereas at the house last weekend it felt very much like, fuck off, I don't want to talk about this, like you're annoying me. and knowing that they ultimately do get married and are together now, I'm, I just am rooting for like any positive emotion. Well, I mean, I had mixed feelings about the fight because it did seem,

he was still defensive in the fight and like, why is it all on me? Why is it all, whatever on me. And also, they didn't really, the thing with the fight resolution to me was that it did. did seem like it was continued to be swept under the rug because the underlying issue was still not resolved. It was more like she got him to say sorry, right? And she took that. She's like, okay, he's sorry. Like, it's okay now. But that doesn't, all that does is sort of move the, move the

problem down the line, right? Because he says, I'm sorry for, you know, for going out and not calling you. But he didn't say anything about how this would be what steps he's going to take to make sure it doesn't happen again. Because this isn't the only time in his life he's going to be stressed and need to let out, you know what I mean, a little steam, as he says. Like, um, so to me, it's kind of like, you're just pushing the problem further down the line because he said, he said sorry, which is an improvement from last time. So you're just like, all right, I'm going to take that so things aren't weird. But he's never like, I understand that like, when I get stressed, I drink too much. And so I'm going to find a different way to alleviate my

stress or I'm going to try to drink in a manner that, um, wouldn't upset you. or I'm going to make, you know, make, you know what I mean? Like, there's no, to me, there's, an apology is kind of just words unless it's coupled with actionable steps that you would take to make sure it didn't happen again. And there was none of that to me in the conversation. Yeah, totally. I'm, yeah, I'm definitely, you know, as this season progresses, I'm, you know, intrigued to see whether they will actually kind of have any deeper conversations about their relationship moving forward or whether we kind of just stay in this place of like yeah I guess we're good I guess we're like I guess and then one day we're just married and we'll see how that goes I don't

well we'll see um but this episode we do kind of get our first real look at page and Craig um which I feel like has been a big point this season that people are excited to see kind of how this relationship develops, because obviously we've seen them a lot on social media. Page has been in Charleston a bunch. And things get off to a pretty bumpy start this episode. Right. Not a strong start for Craig. Not a strong start. So first of all, we have his, you know, chat with Andrea, which I sort of feel like they had to do this. I'm sure the producers were like, okay, so like at some point

you guys are going to talk. But it already feels when we get to this episode, like Paige has basically chosen Craig over Andrea. And, you know, I don't think Andrea has like no feelings about this, but I also don't think it's that big of a deal at the end of the day. Yeah. It doesn't seem like he would really care that much just given like his whole intro in Winterhouse that he was like dates a lot of people and like I guess there's like now the idea that someone's less attainable that makes them potentially more attractive.

But you never really feel like, oh, like they had really had something special there. and he would actually be upset. I agree with you. It seemed very scripted. Yeah. And I also don't think Craig and Andrea, I know they were on Winterhouse together, but they never really had a bond to the point where there would be a, you know, guy code or anything between them.

But the bigger, the bigger drama, which I was not expecting, I had no idea this was coming down the pipeline, is Kristen Cavalieri rears her head in this group. It was Christian Cavalieri. That's who the Kristen was? I didn't even know that was who. the Kristen was that changes everything. We don't get to say her last name on Bravo apparently. But, but yeah, so there was this period last year where Kristen had been, you know, spending time in Charleston and there were these kind of messy Instagram lives and this whole thing. And

there was this rumor out there that Kristen had hooked up with either Austin or Craig. And Paige tells us that she basically just saw that and assumed it was Austin because she was already talking to Craig. But Craig spills the beans and says that he and Kristen did hook up. It's all kind of a great area because clearly he and Paige were not in a place where they had, you know, said they were exclusive or that they weren't going to see other people. So it really seems like this is all boiling down to feelings getting hurt rather than anybody actually doing anything like technically wrong.

Right. I think Danielle said it best when she was like on Watch What happens live and she was like, it's really more about the optics. And I mean, I don't know how I missed this if it was Kristen Kevallari. But yeah, that's a bigger deal to me than like Andrea is not quite as famous, I would say. Right. It's a lot different that if Craig, if they had sort of been seeing each other and Craig, you know, made out with a random woman in a.

that's a lot different than like I'm hooking up with another person who's actually more famous than either of us and is going to get this tabloid coverage whether or not the tabloid coverage is fully accurate that's a different question but it's going to be talked about and page seems like the kind of person where obviously she has feelings for Craig and you know they're currently still together so clearly their relationship ended up being you know more of a real thing than it was at this point but page is the kind of person who is going to see those stories about Craig and Kristen. Right. And she's going to have feelings about it.

Like she is the kind of person, I think, who is really conscious of her image, how she looks. I don't think that's not like a, that's not me being shady. Like I think, you know, she just wants to not look like a fool. And she kind of feels like Craig has played her a little bit, even if they weren't exclusive. And I think Craig just doesn't really, I think he's like unprepared to kind of address this. on this episode and seems like he kind of doesn't have anything to say to her, which, you know, it's a tough look. I guess we'll see next week, but I did not like how he was speaking to her or what he was

saying about Lindsay in that immediate. I mean, Lindsay didn't seem to care when they were showing it on. I'm sure they resolved it since then. But when she was talking about it, watch what happens live. But I was kind of like, this is a big red flag for someone like to be like, to be like, he's basically like yelling at her for taking information into account and being upset about it. And at one point, he's like telling Paige that they're good. He's like, we're good.

We don't have a problem. And it's like, you don't get to decide that just off on your own and then tell page. Like, especially if this is going to be. Or you're weak for listening to Lindsay. Like, especially if this is going to be a potential relationship moving forward, which it has turned out to be. You should be trying to get on this. same page in a way that includes both people's feelings and both people's needs. And, um, you know, I, we have a lot of ground left to cover in terms of page and Craig.

And I, um, I'm open to what's coming our way, but definitely this episode was kind of cringe worthy on his behalf. Totally. Like you're calling Lindsay a loser. Like, like, what kind of a way is that to speak about people? Like when the minute someone says something that is like negative or that is true or information about you, you're just going to completely attack them. Like to me, and she seemed, I think Paige is very attracted to guys who pull,

who are like a little avoidant or like, or like, or seem hard to get sort of. That's what I've seen in the past. Like she was more into Carl when he seemed like to be pulling away or not as into her. Right. And she was like with Andrea where she was like really obsessed with him in

Vermont. And then when he became into her, she was like, eh. So I think she's like weirdly attracted to this. and no shade to her, because I used to be too. But I think it's, that's clearly like, because she wasn't, she wasn't turned off by that.

She went into his room. Right. Like at the end of the day, she was, she was upset. She had feelings, et cetera, et cetera, about the whole situation. But her feelings didn't lead to a place of, fuck, you get out of the house. Her feelings led to a place of, that was hard. Now let's get in bed. Right.

Like, tell me you like me more and we'll be fine. I mean, go get it, girl. Do get what you want. I mean, I'm actually really excited for this coming season of Southern Charm, which is not something that I am used to saying. Like, I don't, I feel like, if you asked me a year ago, I kind of was like, Southern Charm, take it or leave it. I don't know how I feel.

But I actually am really curious to see kind of where this develops and how much page is going to be on that show and how the rest of the group is kind of. going to handle it because we haven't seen on summer house the crossovers are a little more normal but southern charm has always been kind of in its own little um bubble down south so i i'm interested to see kind of the trajectory over the course of both shows this year i mean it's funny i don't actually watch southern charm so i assume that christin was a southern charm like cast member i was like oh he's like hooking up with someone from his show but it's totally i wonder if they didn't include her last names because they were like afraid she was going to sue or something.

Probably. I mean, I don't know why else they would blur out. It's a big part of the story. To me, that changes the whole. Right, because it's not just like some girl named Kristen. It's like Kristen, that Kristen. We all know that Kristen. And we know that Kristen can be a lot to deal with.

So, but yeah, I'm so glad you were able to come on and talk all things Jersey and Summerhouse. We have a lot to go for both of these shows clearly. Jordana, just remind everyone before we go where they can listen to you, follow you, et cetera. So you can hear me talk about all things relationships, usually not Bravo related on the U-Up podcast comes out every Wednesday and Sunday. Or follow me at Jordana Abraham and let me know your Bravo thoughts because clearly I have a lot. And thank you so much for having me.

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