Mention It All - Sandoval’s Hot Mic Screwup (VPR Finale)

Episode Date: May 8, 2024

It’s Vanderpump Rules finale day, and Dylan breaks down what could be the last episode ever? But probably not. He digs into the wrinkles in Sandoval’s season-long plan to secure his position in the group, and the crucial errors he and others made in the final moments of the season. With complex fourth wall dynamics at play, he breaks down everything that happened at Kyle Chan’s Whiskey Launch Party (say that five times fast) and the hot mic moment that ended it all. Earlier in the episode, he discusses Andy Cohen’s latest interview, where he finally breaks his silence on a few recent Bravo controversies. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We'll go check me, both. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer. You know the drill. It's Wednesday. And not only is it Wednesday, it is a fan of rules. Finale Wednesday. And what an episode we have to talk about today. The final episode ever? We all asked with, with, with, tears in our eyes and fear in our hearts? Perhaps. We'll see. We don't know yet, but I will get there. First of all, I want to talk about an interesting interview that Andy Cohen did with the Hollywood reporter that dropped this morning. It's a lengthy interview. He talks about a lot of different topics. Notably, though, for the first time, he is talking about sort of the lawsuits, the allegations,

the questions, the complaints that have. have arisen about conditions on Bravo shows, about specific situations on Bravo shows, namely situations with Bethany and Abney and Brandy and Leah and Caroline. There's a fair few of these. Andy, for the most part, has really steered clear of talking about these situations. Of course, these are still ongoing legal questions. So there are certain things he can't talk about. there are certain things he probably just doesn't want to talk about. But he does address some of the specific things in this interview. And I thought it was interesting to get just a little bit of a pulse check kind of on where he stands with this stuff.

Also, of course, a lot of the stuff that has talked about in these lawsuits doesn't directly really fall on Andy. Stuff with the day-to-day production things, stuff with Bravo as a network. Andy is, you know, careful to specify in the article that he does not, you know, make the programming decisions at Bravo. He has not been an executive at Bravo in a long time now. He is an executive producer on Housewives. He is, of course, you know, a personality on the network and hosting Watch What Happens Live in the reunions. But he is not like, Bravo is not the same as Andy Cohen. And he wants to make sure that we know that.

He does say that people like Bethany turning on him is hurtful. that, you know, they've been on this journey together. And he says that he really, one thing he likes about this journey over the last 20, whatever years, is being able to look back with people on everything that's happened together. And obviously, in the case of somebody like Bethany, for a long time, they were kind of like together in this. And now I don't think that they are necessarily on good speaking terms at the most. moment. But yeah, so he does say that that was hurtful, which I kind of appreciate because I feel

like that's a real thing. But he does say that he has no regrets with how things have gone. And he also specifically responds to Leah McSweeney's claim that they hid alcohol bottles on set during the filming of Roney to try and get people to drink. And he basically, that's the one thing that he really flat out denies. He says that that is a ridiculous thing to say. And he points to, this is something we talked about before, the assortment of people who have been on Bravo shows and have come on the show already sober, have gotten sober while they've been on the show, have just chosen not to drink while they've been on the shows, and that, you know, Bravo doesn't need alcohol to fuel the conflict. Though, of course, you know, there is drinking

that happens on these shows and maybe some of those situations aren't great. It's not, it's not something that is like integral to the housewives experience. He specifically points to Margaret Joseph says somebody who basically never drinks and is obviously extremely willing to cause drama. He also named Drops Jill Zarin, who doesn't really drink, Candy Burris. Heather DeBrow is, you know, not a big drinker. There are obviously people in the Housewives universe who just don't really drink. But yeah, I mean, whatever.

Speaking of Bethany, did anybody else see that she's going to be in a lifetime movie this summer? this is such a wild pivot. It's called Danger in the Dorm. And it stars Bethany Frankl and Clara Alexandrova. And this is Bethany's caption. It premieres June 16th, by the way. Danger in the dorm is about a complicated mother-daughter relationship under extreme circumstances. I connected with this character and Clara as my beautiful daughter and I'm most grateful for the faith of lifetime put in me with Mother's Day coming to make that extra effort. It's like, girl, this is a lifetime movie about just if I had to guess somebody like getting kidnapped in a dorm. Like, don't make this a Mother's Day thing. I know Bethany did just lose her mom a few weeks ago, but it's like, this is not. This is something separate.

Let me know if you really want me to watch danger in the dorm. I got to say, I don't usually dip my toe into the lifetime movie pool, even if there's a Bravo Lab on the case. but Bethany in a starring role in a movie is something that I kind of feel like I need to see to believe. And I have this morbid curiosity. So maybe I will watch it. Depends what's happening in mid-June if we're really in that mental place where I'm going to watch that. But one other thing that I wanted to just touch on from Andy's interview is the conversation about whether or not reality shows and reality personalities should unionize. this is something that Bethany has brought up and, you know, has engaged lawyers and whatever.

I haven't heard about that in a while. It's funny. I feel like I recall last summer when Bethany was first making this case that it seemed like she was trying to get attention by hopping on the bandwagon of the Writers Guild and SAG After Strikes. And funny, the actor strike resolved in November and I don't feel like I've seen Bethany like beating this drum much lately. I'm sure she still feels very passionately about it. I'm sure she still feels very passionately about it. She's doing a lot of the hard work behind the scenes when she's not filming her lifetime movie or breaking up with her fiancé, Paul. By the way, Bethany, single again, I almost just said Beyonce. Bethany wishes.

Arianna wishes. I'm kidding. We'll get there. Okay. The unionization conversation, though, I think this is interesting. Andy gives a good long quote about it. And so I'm just going to read, this is all in quotation marks. If you look at shows like American Idol, Survivor, the Bachelor, or the below deck people, 90% of,

or more of the reality stars on them are on for one season or less. Also, acting is a full-time profession. You don't go to school to be a reality star. Reality stars typically have other jobs, their bar owners, their designers, their doctors. I think the way that Bravo pays people is that it's a buyout. They're buying them out for a show that can be distributed in certain ways, and the longer you stay on, the higher your salary gets. And salaries for people who have been on a long time are really high. Look, you're not drafted into the Real Housewives. You either want to be on the show or not, and you either see it as having some greater benefit for you or not. You have a business, you're trying to launch, you have a music career you're trying to launch,

you want exposure. And so you say, okay, I'm going to look at this for the long game and maybe parlay my exposure on the show into other lucrative opportunities. And many of them do just that. Yeah, there's, there's some interesting things to impact there. I think that he is, he's really only addressing the financial part of this, which is obviously a key element. I mean, when you're talking about unionizing, a main tent pole of that is that you want to get paid fairly for your work. And I think that he's not necessarily wrong in the sense that reality is not a one-to-one comparison for being a professional actor or even, you know, some of the other professions that are unionized. but I think that what he is kind of aliding over,

and maybe this has to do with some of the legal questions, maybe this has to do with just, it's not what popped into his head when he was answering this question. But I think that the other part of the unionization convoy is the protections and the workplace regulations and the sort of common practices in the industry of these shows being produced. And so I think that the money piece, it's like, yeah, I'm sure people would like, you know, the residual payments, for example, when something is streaming on Peacock, that's not something that as a rule people are getting paid extra for or when there are reruns. You know, that's not, that's something that I'm sure some people would like. But there also are all of these questions that have been raised about when there are sensitive things happening on set or if there are, you know, substance issues that are happening. Or if somebody needs. psychiatric care or kind of all of these things that come up that people have raised about the

conditions when they're making these shows. And this is not just a Bravo thing. I mean, he name checks The Bachelor. There have been people that have had issues on The Bachelor that have talked about those things. There have been situations on lots of different shows. I mean, whether it's, you know, competition shows or shows where people are living in a house, dating things. It's an industry-wide thing that I think is being looked at. And Bravo, even last year, put some new rules in place about alcohol and things like that. So it's not that this can only happen through unionization, but I think that if you're only focusing on the money side of things, I think that you're leaving out an important piece of that

conversation. But at the same time, hey, yeah, a lot of people have launched music careers and businesses. So if you're in line to get on Housewives to launch your music career, stay in line. So good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now and up to 60% off. Stock up and save on the brands you love like Vince, Sam Edelman, frame, and free people. Join the Nordi Club to unlock exclusive discounts, shop new arrivals first, and more. Plus, buy online and pick up at your favorite rack store for free.

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I watched it on Monday afternoon. And because I wanted, I was like, okay, I want to see what they're like talking about at the beginning of the reunion, what they have to watch together as a group because it's so intense. And I think that some people, some people thought that this meant there was going to be like a really, really, like, shocking. reveal or something in the last few minutes of the reunion. And when I watched it, it was like, I think it was surprising how all-encompassing and just like intense and emotional it was,

not even in a way where last season was so heated at the end of the season with all of the scandal of all stuff that they filmed so quickly. And this time it was a really different vibe because it felt like more of an existential moment of what is this show? What have we done over the last 11 years? What is kind of the point of being here and, you know, more relevant than ever? Where do we go from here? What is this show now and what is it going to be? What are the options?

What is the end game here? Is the end game? Kyle Chan's Whiskey. launch celebration in San Francisco and Ariana leaving with three of her closest friends who aren't on the show to go eat at Applebee's. Also, is Applebee's paying for this? Why are we all talking about Applebee's? I mean, I could go, I can always go for like a chicken tender, but it felt more than ever like this is a crossroads, whether it's the end of the show or whether it's the end of a certain version of what this show has looked like, it does feel like we have to be

at that point. And it's interesting how we get there. This episode, this trip to San Francisco is a little strange to me. Like, it doesn't feel like a real cast trip in a way. And it's kind of funny because I think I talked about this last week, but it's like they have their biggest season ever and their cast trips were like a house in Tahoe and like two days in San Francisco for Kyle Chan's whiskey launch. Can we not get on an international flight? Is somebody, was there like a Jen shop parole officer situation that I'm unaware of where somebody couldn't leave the state?

Very weird. I would love to know what the conversation was there. Did Ariana and Tom just refuse to go to a different country together? Well, Tom would have loved it. Tom would have been like, I'll be on the plane. Why won't she be on the plane? We're filming. Tom really, really thought he was doing something in these last couple episodes.

I think that he, you know, he had like a season long sort of game plan, it seems like. And I think he had help. I think he had help from production. And I think he obviously had a lot of help from Sheena and Lala and even James, who were important pieces in the puzzle to him kind of earning his place back in the at least somewhat good graces of the group at large. And it felt like this San Francisco trip in his mind was going to be leading up to some sort of breakthrough or burying the hatchet or moving to a new normal with Ariana.

And when push came to shove, she just, didn't give a fuck. And you can say, you know, you can say that she should play along more for the show or she should, you know, have these tough conversations on camera like Lala has lots of thoughts about we've all put our shit out there. And, you know, Ariana hasn't been honest and she's not willing to do it. And it's bullshit. But at the end of the day, Ariana stuck to her guns more than anyone over the course of this whole season, and she really never changed her tune. And that's why it was so strange to watch this conversation with Sheena and Ariana at, again, Kyle Chan's Whiskey Launch Party, because for some reason, this is, you know, the scene of the crime. When Sheena's like, well, you know,

I just had another, I had another conversation with Tom. And, you know, he flew out his sound guy here to get me ready for my performance. Like he's such a, he is, he is good. And I think he's changing. And I think he's like on the, on the path of growth. And watching Ariana just stand there with her, like, you know, skeptical listening face and just super simple, be like, can I ask you a favor? Can you just not talk to me about the path of growth? Like, I just don't, I don't want to be involved. And I think that everybody else on the show, I think they have this like self-preservation instinct of feeling like if they don't get Ariana to talk to Sandoval by the end of this season that the clock is going to strike midnight and the carriage is going to turn into a pumpkin and the valley village home is going to turn into a mountain of debt. And it's like, at a certain point, like, that's a you problem. This season, it hasn't been like remarkable, but it hasn't been a disaster.

And Ariana not wanting to have a sit down, come to Jesus, heart to heart talk with Sandoval hasn't actually been the issue with this season. I think the issue with the season has more been watching the group overall kind of stumbling. through how to move forward from this situation. And I think there have been some miscalculations, both on the part of production and on the part of people like Sheena and Lala, of kind of how this is going to play. That they've been making choices that feel like they're more geared toward what they think will help the show in the long run.

But it's not really working on the show. And it's also making them look like kind of like shitty, friends and shitty people with no real loyalty, no real, like, deep sense of whatever. And that's why it's just like, I believe that Sandoval has done good things for Sheena. I don't have an issue with her having him in her life. And I think Ariana, of course, they show the montage. She's made comments in the past about, you know, I won't have mutual friends. I won't, you know, let him in my life through friends of mine.

It doesn't actually seem like she is really going to enforce that with Sheena. Like, they have this really emotional moment at the end before Sandoval swoops in like a heat-seeking missile where they're hugging it out. And Sheena's like, I just don't, I don't want to lose you. And Ariana's like, you're not going to lose me. they've been in this for such a long time. They have been friends since day one on this show. I don't think that Ariana is actually going to cut someone like Sheena out of her life because she's willing to have Tom in her life as well.

She just doesn't want it to be a group thing. And so it's frustrating that that feels like it's being lost on everyone. in the group except for Katie, that it's like, this is really just not that complicated. Katie puts it simply, she's like, if a man fucks you over, fuck that guy. That's, it's, it's like, that's basic algebra. It's like X plus Y equals Z. And everybody else seems to just be trying to make it into calculus. And it's like, no, the equation is pretty straightforward.

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Katie says no. There's this whole thing. There's a text where Joe texted Katie when they were getting, when she and Schwartz were getting divorced and was like, Bieber misses you. And it's like, first of all, Bieber. Is that like an auto correct of Bubba? Is Bieber? Did we like unlock a secret third nickname?

Oh, God. If she calls him Bieber. Well, though to be far with the, with the bleached hair, I feel like Tom Schwartz is giving Justin Bieber a little bit. Like that Justin Bieber bleached hair era, they kind of are a similar vibe. If Tom Schwartz had a lot of tattoos, I feel like he would look like a more washed up version of Justin Bieber. He's just looking for his Haley. Is Joe the Haley? If Joe made skin care products, would you buy them?

I don't know. I wouldn't buy her hair care products, that's for sure. But the whole Katie and Joe thing, it's, look, I think it's honestly, it's not the same, but it isn't so different from what's happening with Ariana that it's like, Katie just doesn't want to be friends with her. It's like her ex's weird, fake girlfriend who swooped in when they were. we're in the midst of splitting up. And it's like, yeah, like, I just don't want this person in my airspace. And it's not that weird of a thing to ask for. And if we're bumping up on the thing of,

oh, well, we're on the TV show and we should talk about it. It's like, well, Joe wasn't on the TV show. Joe showed up like five to eight business days ago. And then she and Schwartz were on a break for half of that. and then now she's suddenly in San Francisco. Like, Katie doesn't owe Joe anything. And if she doesn't want to be... I mean, like, you can say that you don't like the way she's spoken to her. I think that's like fair enough. Joe is a person with feelings.

That's valid. But like Katie doesn't owe Joe some big moment or some big conversation. But what is weird to me is that Lala seems so team Katie when it comes to the situation with Joe. And like, that was, it was weird. Like, it was fucked up that you, you were with her man. You were living in the house. But blah, blah, blah.

Blah. But then she doesn't have like an ounce of understanding for why Ariana's like, hi, I just don't want to spend my life with the ex that cheated on me for seven months with my friend. Like what? I really want to know, like, what's not clicking for Lala? because it's frustrating because I have I have liked Lala at certain times in the past and I've agreed with her in certain situations and it just feels like this is something where she's like

she's so far down a road that just like doesn't make sense and it's like why why are we sticking with this and the whole thing with her comments about Ariana's new relationship with Dan it's it feels like another miscalculation because Because I think that as a friend, if my friend is getting out of a relationship of nearly a decade and it's a traumatic breakup and she starts dating somebody, Lala says eight days later, sure, well, let's accept that number. I would have questions. I would be skeptical. And I think that that is totally fine. but the way that Lala is

questioning Ariana's relationship with Dan doesn't feel like it comes out of a place of concern for Ariana whatsoever it's like she thinks that there's something nefarious about Dan because he would deign to be with this woman who was just out of a relationship

and then she says that he's a square because he doesn't want to shake hands with Sandoval And then at dinner, she's like fully grilling him on his life and past and whatever. And she gets the signature Dorit Blabbermouth edit to show how many questions she's asking. I love that. That's a nice touch. But it's like it just feels like Lala is creating issues to create issues. And that like the way she's doing it isn't the way that feels like, oh, I'm a friend and I want to make sure my friend is doing okay.

I just, I think Lala, I think Lala really like misplayed her hand this whole season. And it's, I think if we're in a place of figuring out what this show is going to look like in the future, that makes me feel like Lala is a little bit less of a piece of that picture than maybe she was before. I'm not saying she's going to like get fired and we're never going to see her again. But it just, it hasn't, it hasn't been a great season for her. I think it's been a great season for Katie. I think Katie has stood her ground. I think she's been a good friend to Ariana.

Nobody could accuse her of anything else. I think that she has made a lot of progress in her evolving relationship with Tom Schwartz. And I think that they're stuffed together. This season has been really compelling. When they're getting along, when they're having issues, it feels real in a way that is really refreshing. And it doesn't feel like she's playing a game for the show. And I think that getting down to these last few minutes of

the finale, you really start to think about who is playing a game for the show. And we're never going to know 100%, but it is, it's pretty crazy to see these last 10 minutes of everybody kind of collectively deciding that we're going to take down the fourth wall in a way that we've seen a lot of fourth wall breaks before, but I don't know if we've seen one quite like this, where Ariana chooses to leave when Sandoval dive bombs her conversation with Sheena, she just walks right away, she walks up to production, and it's like, no, I'm not doing this.

He doesn't deserve to talk to me. She brings up the point that when he was with Rachel, that she, it was non-informed consent, because it's a whole thing. But she basically is like, no, I said no, this is stupid. I'm going to leave. She walks out with her friends.

Tom is immediately like, this is bullshit. If you don't want to film with your ex, then get off the show. You're just sitting on your ass collecting a paycheck while the rest of us, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Which like, my guy. First of all, Ariana has done plenty this season.

Like, her not wanting to have an altercation with you at Kyle Chan's Whiskey launch party is not equivalent to her doing nothing for the whole season and I, you know, it, whatever. But also it's like, oh, this is about filming. And all of this is kind of about filming. And Lala is big mad. And she's like, I've been holding back because I'm going to break the fourth wall in a big way, but now I'm going to do it. And she says, Ariana got cheated on. And she thinks she's Beyonce. And it's bullshit that she stays under the same roof with Tom, but won't film with him. He didn't kill somebody. That's crazy.

Like, Tom and Lala and Kind of Sheena, it's like they have all decided that Ariana should be willing to have this conversation with Tom Sandoval on camera and that they are really, they're really resenting her for holding her ground and deciding not to do that. And then Tom kind of like loses it a little bit. And he's like, she doesn't like any of you. Like she talks shit about you all the time. She doesn't fucking like you. I would really recommend watching if you are like a live Bravo watcher.

Go watch the end of this episode on Peacock because it's uncensored. And there's a whole lot of F bombs in the last 10 minutes of this episode. She does like, I fucking know Tom. I know. Okay. Don't make me look stupid. Well, Sheena took about 10 minutes. Ariana, though, she in her confessional is like, look, we share these parts of our lives on the show,

but if you feel strongly about something, it shouldn't matter whether it's on the show or not. And all of these months that Tom and I have been, you know, going through this separately, but together, he has never once tried to talk to me off camera. He could have left a letter on the kitchen table and I would have read it and been able to respond the way I wanted to, but he's only ever tried to do it on camera. And she says, that shows your true colors. And I have to agree. I mean, regardless of how you have felt about Tom throughout this season, I think there

have been some ups and downs. I think there have been certain moments where it feels like he has, you know, said and done the right things to kind of try and start to work toward a better place. But that is such a key part of it, that when you think about the long-term ramifications of these storylines, you know, this is a 10-year relationship. And if you're, if there's a sense that you are only really interested in, you know, having a certain conversation or litigating your mistakes, well, not mistakes, choices, as Katie points out, what is in it for the other person to agree to that. If Ariana is thriving with the show or without it, why is she going to sit there and listen to Tom

talk at her for 30 minutes about how she didn't buy pens and batteries and she was depressed and she, you know, one foot out the door and X, Y, Z, like, what is she going to gain from that? And kind of the nail in the coffin is after Ariana drives off, first of all, we have this like, beautiful. beautiful, moody, dramatic song playing that I, of course, did rewind and shazam it. The song is called Headed West by Mallory with one L. Listen to that on Spotify this morning. It's like, you put on your clown makeup and you walk through the door. I don't remember how it actually goes, but it's like a very like, it feels like the end of the hills kind of.

but like sadder but then we hear a hot mic moment we're seeing the skyline of San Francisco beautiful scenic, picturesque and we see producer that's the end

Tom Schwartz what a fucking plot twist man and then Tom Sandfall I loved it it's good for me oh my God did he not know the mic was still on they literally were filming like 10 seconds ago.

Come on, Robert Durs. Like, get it together. I, this is, this is the thing that it's like, he spent this whole season convincing everyone that he's, that he deserves to be treated like a human, not even forgiven, just treated like a human. And then, like, right away, he shows his cards and is like, yay, I won. Because Ariana wouldn't film with me and then walked on. And it's like, first of all, Ariana is clearly bringing a lot of value to the table in more ways than one at this point.

I loved that the teaser for her hosting Love Island USA dropped the same day as the Vanderpump Rules finale because it's like, oh, she's not taking the summer off. Also, she's going back into Chicago on Broadway in August. Like, she is booked and busy. And I don't know if she will decide to come back to the show. But if there is a show to come back to, you better believe that they're going to ask her back. Ariana's not getting fired because she didn't want to have one last convoy with Tom. It's just, that's not the way this is going to go. And if he thinks it is, I think he's in for a little bit of a rude awakening because, look,

I don't think Tom Sandival is going to get fired from the show. But it's going to be like a, it's going to be like a Teresa and Melissa last season, when Teresa at the reunion is like, I'm never going to see you again because you're leaving. And she makes this whole big thing out of how Melissa's getting fired. and then nobody got fired. They're both still on the show. How does the crow taste? I think that it is going to be, you know,

we haven't seen the reunion yet. The trailer looks intense. But I think that Tom Sandoval is going to have problems if he views this as a victory. Because watching the reaction on social media, speaking about it to, you know, friends and people that, you know, talk about this all the time, I don't think that Tom came out of this finale looking like the victor,

even if you were somebody who was somewhat sympathetic to his cause throughout the season. Because not everybody out here is like team Ariana, I Stan, the queen, kiss the ring. Like some people are a little bit of like la-la vibes and think that, you know, oh God, I can't. The comment section, so it's like, she gets cheated on and she gets to be in a Broadway show. It's like she has a theater degree, but whatever. I am so curious where this is going to go. Because like I said, it feels final, but I really don't think they will cancel the show.

There was just some news the other day that this is the, this season has been the highest performing Bravo original season on Peacock, I think, ever. Like, this show is still a hit. It got nominated for Emmys like six months ago. They're not canceling this unless, like, you know, sir melts into the ground tomorrow. And then that's probably a good storyline for three more seasons anyway. So Vanderpump Rules will be back.

I feel confident saying that I don't know exactly who will be back. I don't know exactly when it will be. But I mean, it will be next week at the reunion. We still have a few weeks left of talking about this. And I, for one, can't wait to get into it. But thank you so much for every, thank you so much for listening. Don't forget to rate review and follow the show wherever you listen. Make sure you're subscribed.

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