Mention It All - Say ‘MomTok’ One More Time (SLOMW, Summer House, The Valley)

Episode Date: May 16, 2025

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Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast. Oh, it's Friday, and I am so happy to be here. Just talking with all my friends, with all of you guys, about everything that has happened on Bravo and also on Hulu this week, because we have secret lives of Mormon wives back for season two. We are going to get into it. First, I just want to plug our YouTube channel, everything that we have going on over there on Always On on YouTube. Earlier this week, we had Zach from the Valley on our episode.

You may have heard it here. You may have watched it there. But you can watch all of our Tuesday episodes over on the Always on YouTube channel. And coming up next Tuesday, I can, I have an exclusive for you guys right now. I'm telling you, we are going to have some of the Mormon wives in the studio. I had the chance to chat with Jesse and with Layla, my girl Jay-Z Stiles, my young single mom, Layla. We talked about all things, Secret Lives of Mormon Lives, Season 2. I'm going to get into it a little bit today, but definitely stay tuned on Tuesday for that conversation because I had a lot of fun with them.

And subscribe to the Always on YouTube channel because there's lots more coming down the pipeline. And you never know who's going to pop up next. Maybe I don't know who's going to pop up next. You, it's, it's always, it's always a fun time. But I, I'm loving these Friday kind of catch-ups. Just, just chilling here, just chatting. For Mormon wives, I just want to do a little bit of housekeeping. They dropped all 10 episodes on Hulu yesterday. And I don't know if anybody else finds this stressful. I personally find it very stressful. It's like full hour-long episodes. And I, I don't have 10 hours in one day to watch this. So for today, we are going to focus on the first.

three episodes of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. There's more than enough content to go around. Like I said, Jesse and Layla next Tuesday, we're going to be talking, you know, general stuff for the season, first few episodes with them. And then, you know, next week, week after, we can dip our toes more into the second half of the season. You guys, we got to make it last. We got to savor it. Every last drop. I want to talk first about some rumors that have been floating around about the future of the Real Housewives of New York City. Now, last week, I think after I had recorded, I don't think I talked about this last week, there was a page six article basically saying from some anonymous source that the Real Houseways

of New York City had been put on hiatus, put on pause, indefinitely, it was unclear if there was ever going to be another season. You know, we've seen Real Housewives of Dallas, Real Housewives of Dubai, go this direction. And sometimes they don't come back. they can't all be Miami. But this was, this rumor made a lot of noise. Obviously, last week we talked about all of the Bravo announcements around the upfront presentations and that New York and New Jersey were notably the only sort of current Housewives franchises not to be announced as having new seasons upcoming. So this kind of seemed like a realistic possibility that it's like,

okay, this last season of New York was kind of a flop. I guess we're just going to to put it on the shelf. But Andy Cohen has spoken as he does every day on the radio, actually. I can't believe he still does that every day. Doing that and watch what happens live, like five days a week, I'm exhausted. I can't. Andy, like, truly is, you know, you can have your own feelings about him, but, like, the man works. But he went on the radio and he was talking about this rumor, this report, and he said that it's not true. It's not true. It's a lot. It's It's not true. He said that they are in active casting for the next season of Real Housewives of New York City. In pre-production, they're talking to people, they're meeting people, they're hitting the streets. And he said that they have interviewed or met with at least 10 potential new cast members for the Real House of New York City. Now, it doesn't sound like they are attempting another full reboot. This is normal to me if they're trying to maybe do like, a half and half, you know, maybe cut a few people, bring in a few new people. You need to do a lot of

interviews. You need to really cast a wide net. And so meeting with 10 people actually gives me hope that maybe they'll be able to find two or three that have real potential. But anyway, it's not canceled. The question for me is, if they are actively working on the next season, why was it not included in that announcement last week? And I don't know if there really is a concrete reason. Maybe it's because the timeline is still really fluid and they're waiting to get the casting right. I would be in favor of that. I'm always in favor of waiting to get the casting right because casting is truly so important. But maybe they just didn't feel like, you know, giving it a spotlight. I don't know. They're like, you ladies don't deserve a cookie for what you've

done. I don't know. But another like interesting twist to this, though, is that we, got all of these rumors and all of this debunking and fact-checking about what's happening with Real Housewives of New York and absolutely not a peep about anything happening with Real Housewives of New Jersey. And this to me is troubling, concerning, confounding. Why can't we seem to get anything going here? What is happening in the state of New Jersey? Who is dropping the ball? Is there even a ball to be dropped? Are they looking at Real Housewives of Rhode Island as like the spiritual successor to Real House House of New Jersey?

Because I've seen that rumored cast, and it's giving Dolores from Patterson in Rhode Island. I don't know what's going on over there. I don't know. Apparently I don't know much about Rhode Island's, you know, ladies. But they're giving Jersey from the photos I've seen. But no, it's so strange. to me because Real Houseways of New Jersey is just such a storied property. It's such a, it's such a mothership full of mothers who have, you know, given us years of service.

And obviously there is work that needed to be done after, after last year's season, but just like, it just feels like a shame if we're really going to let all of that just wither on the vine. Now, you know, these ladies are still out and about. They're doing their thing. I saw a clip. You guys, this is tough. And before I even get into it, the Teresa stands. I know you're there.

I see you. I hear you. I respect you. But I have to talk about this. So I was on TikTok last night, as I want to be. And I see a clip from Casual Chaos with Gia Jude Ice.

Gia's podcast, of course. And it's Teresa on the podcast. Is Teresa always on the podcast? How many times has Teresa been a guest in this podcast? short lifespan. I don't know, not the point. But this clip is Gia asking Teresa questions about Real House Size of New Jersey. And it's edited with this music underneath that's like, boom, bum, bum. Like, it's really like amping it up. Like this is, oh, this is like, this is like, this is going to be like a spicy clip. And it's like, Gia's looking at the paper. She's just on the

piece of paper. And she's just like, who on the cast of Real House Lys of New Jersey What was one storyline that was completely made up? And Teresa was just like, oh, you know, like, ask Melissa. You know what you want me? And it's like, oh, yeah, yeah, hell yeah. We just, yeah, ask Melissa. Dunk. And then the next question.

Who in the cast of Real House of New Jersey was the most thirstiest? Why? Why asking me these questions? It's all Melissa. And she's like, yeah, I knew you were going to say that. It's like, yeah, I bet you did because you fucking like prepped the episode together. And they're just the music that's under it and the way it's edited and this clip being like a stand-alone thing that was posted on the TikTok account. They clearly think that it's like, oh yeah, got her ass. Who was the most thirstiest? Melissa. Melissa. And I just like, we got to take a step back and just ask ourselves like, how many years have we been listening to Teresa say that Melissa's obsessed with her? And now the show hasn't been on in a year. And this is what Gia's using to promote her podcast with like the like, got them music in the background. I just am like, there has to be something else.

I don't know. This is a tangent. It's not relevant. Clearly, like the show is his. even coming back, who knows, we'll be like, we'll all be like 75 years old and it'll be like Teresa talking about Melissa on a podcast and, you know, probably vice versa. I haven't listened to every episode of On Display with Melissa Gorga. I'm sure there's some Teresa jabs being jabbed. It just frustrates me because it's like, I want to move on. I want, I want a show that I can

enjoy. And right now there's no show at all. There's no, you know, there's no New Jersey transit trains. That's all shut down. There's no New Jersey. Housewives, that's all shut down. What is going on in the Garden State? Get it together. Let's talk about Secret Lives and Mormon Wives. Now, when this show came out in the fall, I remember I was really unsure whether people were going to like it, we're going to watch it at all, whether Bravo fans, I know that you guys are sometimes not excited to open your borders and allow in, you know, other reality TV nationalities like Hulu or, like, you know, network TV. It's, it's, we can be a bit of a protective bunch.

But this show really, like, latched on to something and became a little bit of a cultural moment. And you know what Hulu did? They saw that and they said, get the cameras back to Utah. Meow! And not just for, not just for one more little season. The first season was eight episodes. They renewed the show for 20 additional episodes. That's two seasons.

So the show came out in September. I believe they started filming in October. We get a Halloween party in the second episode. We'll talk about it. And they filmed, I think, like straight through 20 episodes, which is like, you know, like a long-ish season of Housewives. That's not like unheard of. But I think they're probably going to have another season ready to go in the fall.

and then they could be back filming by then. They are really, they're oiling this machine in a way that I think is smart. I think it's really strategic. And watching season two, watching these first few episodes, the way that these women are adjusting in real time to being reality stars is fascinating. Because season one, everybody loved like mom talk, mom talk, mom talk, Will Mom Talk survive this? What will Mom Talk do?

That was fun. It was like, okay, this is like so silly. It's Mom Talk. It's blah, blah, blah. It's like the Mormon wives. But now we're watching in real time. Mom Talk still is all of that. But it's also becoming a device to not break the fourth wall.

You know on Housewives when they're like, oh, well, it's been a, when she first came around the group or, you know, in this circle, we like to, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Mom talk is the perfect noun to replace the cast, the show, the fame. This person, she wants to be in Mom Talk. She's a clout chaser. She wants clout. We have to be really protective of Mom Talk because people are coming from the outside. They want what Mom Talk has.

They see Mom Talk doing so well. Why is Mom Talk doing so well? Where's the clout coming from? it's coming from the reality show. And with select exceptions, we don't talk about the show on the show. And it is, it is like catnip to me

because they say mom talk, I think, probably a hundred times in these first three episodes. It is like flying fast and loose coming out of everybody's mouth left and right. Miranda, the new girl is coming around. Oh,

she wants the clout. She wants to be back in Mom Talk. Mom Talk's doing good. Oh, Whitney's coming back. Whitney left Mom Talk. Now she's, Dipping a toe back in Mom Talk. Should Mom Talk let her back into Mom Talk?

I don't know if Mom Talk is going to survive somebody who left Mom Talk coming back into Mom Talk when Mom Talk is doing so well. And Mom Talk now has this platform of Mom Talk. You have to protect Mom Talk. Because Mom Talk survived this the first time around. But will Mom Talk survive this again? I don't know. Mom Talk is strong, but it's fragile. It's bold, but it's soft.

Mom talk is everything. It's everything. But I'm loving it. I mean, this new girl, Miranda, it was kind of inevitable to me that they would get somebody else from this swinging scandal to come back on the show. Because the first season, it was a little weird. I was not, you know, really following the swinging scandal the first time when it was happening pre-show. So when Taylor Frankie Paul came on, Taylor, Frankie Paul, you have to say the first. name, the full name. When she came on, she was talking about this. I'm kind of like, okay,

so that sounds interesting. Where are the other girls? Where's the rest of the swingers? You got to hit those hard Utah Gs, the swingers. Whitney Rose would want that. But now Miranda is back and Miranda is divorced. So she's a single mom, just like Layla. These women are so young. It's crazy. She's 20. Miranda's 26. She looks like if they sold Kelsey Ballerini at T.J. Max. that's Miranda. And I love it. I love that for her.

I watched the first episode with my mom when I was home over Mother's Day and she had never seen this show before. She had never heard of this show before. I mean, she's like, what the fuck is happening? When she saw Miranda's hair in the confessional, the like wavy, wavy, wave, wave, the long, the extensions, of course, Jay Z styles. She was like, why does her hair look like that? What's going on?

I'm like, the thing you don't understand their hair all looks like that. It's the look. It's the look. But Miranda coming back around and her ex-husband is the guy Chase who Taylor, Frankie Paul said, had told her that he had feelings for her when the swinging scandal was happening. And then that was kind of why it all fell apart. Taylor got divorced. Miranda's now divorced.

Miranda's coming back around. It's a mess. And nobody wants to be friends with Miranda. But then Whitney wants to be friends with Miranda. And then Jen is a little bit on the outside. They are really maneuvering the pieces around the chess board pretty expertly, I think. The way that Whitney sort of like soft launches her return to the group, and now that she's like eight months pregnant, it feels like nobody can be like super mean to her.

If that was Janet on the Valley, it wouldn't have made a difference. They'd be like, I don't get the fuck about the pregnancy. In Utah, they're like a little bit more gentle, I think, with the pregnant ladies, which, by the way, now three of the women in the cast are pregnant. We see Jen on episode three find out that she's pregnant and she's not thrilled about it. Let me just say that. And then now Macy and Michaela are also pregnant again. Babies left and right.

And I truly hope. I hope that they can find a way to give everyone the rest and recovery period that they need, but also keep the show on a tight timeline. Because we can't be going too long. long without keeping the wheels. If Macy and Michaela need to sit out a couple of, you know, sitting on haybale, you know, parties or Halloween costumes, that's okay. Let Taylor Frankie Paul and, you know, Layla and Jay-Z styles and let everybody else kind of

carry the torch. I think they could make it work. If the Valley could be shooting 365 days a year, which they're not, but they should be. Secret Lives and Mormon Wives could also, you know, go for that same production. schedule. But we have to talk about the two nightmare couples in the room. And first, Jen and Zach, the Afflecks. Okay, also, so they're not related to Ben Affleck, which we had kind of figured out,

but they said they were. And then they have this conversation, my God, watching Jen and Zach communicate about absolutely anything is just like sucking the soul out of me because Jen has the world's deadest eyes. Can I just say? She's like, you told me we were related to Ben Affleck. And he was like, no, no, no, no. I never, I never said that. She's like, you're not going to make me look stupid. That's all I ever heard from your family was that you're related to Ben Affleck. He's like, I don't know, like, that's a joke, babe. I don't know what you're talking. You have to stop saying that. something about Zach having like an actual like better haircut now is actually making me like him less

the weird stringy curls were very upsetting to me but something about this is this is bad but like the the like tight haircut that he has now it just gives me like um how do i put this in a way that isn't going to get me in trouble. He looks like he would really love, like, America, like, really, like a patriot, if you know, you know, which he probably, I mean, never mind. I won't. I'll stop myself. No, but I just don't think an adult man should be that blonde. It's very off-putting. It's very off-putting. No, but the thing with last season was that Zach was an absolute nightmare, the way he was speaking to her in Vegas, all of that. First of all, also the haircut makes me really realize how young he is.

I'm like, oh, that's a, that's a, that's a boy. He's 25. You know, he was gambling away the med school money. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. No, but Zach really was like villain, villain, villain in season one. And he still is. He still sucks.

He still sucks. But I think Jen kind of sucks too. And, you know, we'll talk about Jesse and Lexi over on Summerhouse in a minute, about how two things can be true at once. But I think that I wish that Jen was not with this man, but also, in a way, they're kind of made for each other, watching them work through their issues by doing couples ketamine therapy where they are sitting next to each other with blindfolds on while they do their ketamine therapy. First of all, nobody will ever top Adriana Demora doing

ketamine therapy on Miami a couple seasons ago where she was like visiting with her dead father, full body racked by sobs. So, you know, the bar is high. No, but they're on a different wavelength where they're, they're, they just wake up and they're like, wow, that, wow, that was crazy. Wow, I think that's really going to help us. How is that going to help you? grow together as a couple. You didn't speak to each other. You laid there silently with blindfolds on. You couldn't even see each other. I don't know all the details of ketamine therapy. So, I mean, let me know in a five-star review if I'm missing something here. But like couples therapy is a thing for a reason and catamine therapy is something different. And like if you need to do that to work on

yourself, like truly that's great. But like, I don't think it's going to solve the problem. And it doesn't. But also the way that DeMe and Jesse are getting roped into the Zach and Jen drama is so dumb because they're like, they had a lot to say about me because blah, blah, blah. So I'd like to meet with them. And then Zach's, you know, two on one date with Jesse and Demi, ends up just being him being like, oh, no, Jen was lying to you guys. So then they're like, okay, so we still don't like you. but now we also kind of don't like Jen. And then it's a group thing where Jen's involved. And she's like, do you guys really feel like I had never said anything good about Zach?

Because you're saying that it was all bad. But I feel like I was saying lots of stuff about how he was great and amazing. And it's just like, I think Jen needs to realize that if you are dating someone or married to someone, father of her children, if you're with somebody and you're telling your friends like five normal good things and then three really bad dark things the clouds are kind of going to block out the sun and that doesn't mean the sun has you know fallen out of the sky it means that we're going to focus on the the really concerning thing that you just told us and not the like oh but sometimes he's nice Yeah, sometimes, you know, everybody can be nice sometimes.

I'm sure that people can have lovely experiences with lots of awful people. And Zach, like, is just the vibes are not good? The vibes are not vibing. We'll see what happens with them. I'm kind of dreading watching more of the season because now that she's gotten pregnant, I actually found her honest reaction to the pregnancy test kind of refreshing. Because I do think there is this societal, expectation that pregnancy is always this amazing gift and that you should be overjoyed and just

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And you know who else is tough to watch? Taylor and Dakota. My God. Dakota. They make Brittany and Jacks look like a healthy, well-adjusted, loving couple. They, it's just so clear. And I mean, they admit this that they basically didn't know each other when they got pregnant. And then they tried to have this relationship. So, I mean, it's hard when there's not that foundation to then make it work. Like, they probably wouldn't have stayed together otherwise. But watching Taylor's whole family deal with this situation and basically take Dakota's

side is shocking to me, but also maybe not shocking because, like, if you live in, like, a very patriarchal, you know, like, women should be submissive kind of society, they're still, you know, Taylor's family is still kind of judging her or mad at her for getting pregnant out of wedlock in the first place. And I feel like that is sort of trickling down to how they're handling the situation with her in Dakota now. Leanne, Taylor's mom, with, you know, the tightest, newest face you've ever seen. I love Taylor, by the way. She's like, yeah, so she went in to get her nose done.

And then they kind of just did the whole face. Huh? What's going on there? I want, I want, like, a full explanation. I need, like, one of those plastic surgeons on TikTok to, like, duet a video of Leanne's new face and tell me exactly what she had done. Because it's a little spooky, but she, I mean, she looks good. but does she?

She's trying to like show emotion and react for the cameras. And it's just nothing's moving. Nothing's moving. And then Taylor's like having a breakdown at this, this family barbecue in the backyard. Taylor's like full face in her hands, crying. You know,

everybody's like, well, Taylor, maybe you should just, you know, give him another chance, whatever. And Dakota's like, uh,

what are you? Uh, like when he, when he, when he, like it's kind of just like, it's like Charlie Brown teacher, but like an annoying man. And the way that this family uses the word fuck as a verb, Taylor speaking at a table with both of her parents and her brother and sister. And she's like, yeah, well, I didn't even know him that well when he fucked me.

And yeah, like he fucked me. And then we fucked. And then there was a baby. It is like so, oh. Like, he fucked me. You're saying that to your mom? and there are other people on the show do too they're like they're like yeah we like

well we met and then we fucked I would rather go back to Vanderpump rules like season two era when it's like Kristen banged jacks I would rather us use banged as a verb than fucked in that manner it just feels I feel violated but it all

I mean it all really comes to a head at Jesse's Halloween party which just chef's kiss chef's kiss the guest list the messy guest list inviting Miranda and Miranda's ex-husband Chase

who now is dating this woman Kate who Jessie told me is one of her close friends and then Jesse's husband Jordan is close friends with Dakota so everybody had a reason to be there I guess also cameras reason that's a reason enough it's just a shit show

Chase shows up and he's got a bone to pick with Taylor because she's been saying that he had a sex dream about her and she's like, I actually had a sex dream about you. So you don't have to be embarrassed. I'm embarrassed. Also, everybody fucked everybody when we were swinging. Miranda, dying on the hill that all she did was kiss. It's like, good luck, sister. And by the end of the third episode, she already was like, yeah, it sounds right. We had sex in the same bed. Yeah, I guess. I don't know. But she never touched a weener. That's where she draws the line. I never touched a weener. It's very Bill Clinton. I never had sexual relations with that weiner. I don't know. I'll take her word for it.

I do love like the, it's a very classic reality TV thing when somebody comes in the cast and the one thing about this group is that we need everybody to be open. We need everybody to lay it all out there. It's very Kyle Richards, open and honest. Lisa Rina, own it, baby. Everybody in mom talk has to clarify whether or not they ever touched a wiener. That's the price of entry. I don't make the rules. No, but I'm excited to get into the rest of this season because these first three episodes are already a big old doozy. I alluded on Summerhouse to Jesse and Lexi earlier, so I feel like now we have to talk about that. Next week is the season finale. We're getting really close, you guys. And I feel like this week was sort of a tale of two stunts, and one went really

well, and one I have some mixed feelings about. I just have to write off the bat, MVP, Lindsey Hubbard, throwing a freedom dinner to celebrate the one-year anniversary of Carl dumping her. And how that's the best thing that's ever happened to her. And it's allowed her to spread her wings and have a baby and pursue business and do great things and travel and Lindsay is just like one of one. Truly, the freedom dinner, just like the word freedom. It's like, L.O.L. Okay. Look, how is Carl supposed to feel, truly?

But this is kind of like a perfect retaliation. Because Lindsay has just caught wind of that Carl is telling everyone that She's actually still embarrassed about getting dumped. And so that's why she has so many questions about his love life and yada, yada, yada. And she's like, no, baby, I'm free as a bird. I'm high as a kite. High on life. High on freedom.

That dinner just a chef's kiss. Now, Lexi would. I just have some notes. And here's the thing. The Lexi and Jesse situation is complicated. And I think that two things can be true. both people can have valid feelings in different directions. And here's how I feel about this.

I think that for Lexi, Jesse is far from perfect. He has made mistakes. He has done things that she has really disliked. And so if that leads her to not trust him and to not feel like he is somebody that she can commit to a relationship with, then it is obviously well within her. her rights to say, I don't want to be in a relationship with you. This is over. Nothing about that is wrong. But on the flip side, if Jesse feels like he is being sort of accused of something that

isn't true or sort of being dragged for a reason that isn't real, like getting a manicure at 9 p.m. instead of hanging out with Lexi Woods friends, and she just like decides that that's a lie, he is also allowed to be frustrated and upset about that. And I don't think that either of them need to be like tried at the Hague, but I do think that both of them have valid feelings. And what's really clear is they just like shouldn't be in a relationship with each other. I think what is a little questionable to me is we've really been on this roller coaster the last few weeks because two weeks ago, I remember I was praising Lexi for how

strong she was in sort of dumping Jesse the first time and holding her ground and saying, no, if this isn't happening, it needs to be 100% over. And then last week, all of a sudden, they're back in the bed together. He's grabbing her ass on camera. It's like that conversation never happened. And then this week, the pendulum pretty much swings 180 degrees back in the same direction it was two weeks ago. And I do feel like on Lexi's part, this was sort of like, a calculation that, okay, I've had this storyline throughout the season. It's the last weekend at the house. I will sort of be able to put a button on it if we sort of rekindle the weekend before. And then this last weekend, I can have my like, pull him to the side, go on the balcony. Everybody's watching

like the breakup conversation. And I think that her feelings probably are, authentic and obviously, like I said, valid. But to me, like the timing and the maneuvering does feel a little bit calculated. And I don't think that this is, like, I am not taking Jesse's side in like the relationship. I just feel like I can feel the cogs spinning with Lexi a little bit in a way that didn't quite land for me. And also, I mean, the stuff with Sierra, the stuff with her feeling like she doesn't have relationships with a lot of people in the house. I think that that's valid. I think that she can feel, maybe she feels like she has wasted time this summer in terms of making relationships with other people in the house. But also like she and Jesse were two consenting

adults who seemingly were having a lot of fun until they weren't. And I think that that's okay. I don't think that it's like all of a sudden, I don't think that Jesse was like gatekeeping her from the rest of the house. I think that maybe it was unlikely that she was going to develop a close bond with Sierra while she was sleeping with Jesse, but like that's not his fault. Now, I do think the whole conversation about Ix and all of that just got like bungled, lost in translation. Kyle being the messenger who's going to go out and talk to Lexi and be like, well, you know, Jesse's just saying this when it's like like roll footage, not what he said. Just Kyle Cook should never be like the interpreter.

I don't think that Kyle excels at verbal communication. And I would advise him to maybe like stay out of it. But I'm interested to see kind of like what the vibe is at the reunion. Because I do feel like this is sort of like a, it's not that different from the West and Sierra situation last year. We're like at the end of the day, I think that these two people should be able to go their separate ways. and everybody can kind of like keep it pushing. But because of the show and because of the heightened whatever and also because Lexi, you know, I think did get her feelings hurt by this.

I could see the reunion really being like a drag Jesse Solomon situation. And I think on some level that's maybe warranted, but also like I hope that that isn't the overwhelming through line at the reunion. I would like to see some other things. I would like to see some other flavors and everybody kind of like get their own moments. Good sleep is everything. That's why Ali's science back support is made with a blend of melatonin and L-Dienine for both kiddos and grown-ups. So when your mind won't switch off, you've got something that can help.

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And I feel like there was so much, but I will just say. Michelle and Jesse are circling the drain to hell together. And it is, I hate to say it, so fun to watch. Michelle yelling at Jesse at this winery, why is a gay guy sending you money on your birthday? The Venmo charge heard round the world. the fact that she has now clapped back to the sleeping with a billionaire for 1,500 a night allegation with her own. It's not even really an allegation.

It's like it's very like when you know like COVID deniers or like antivaxers are like, I'm just asking questions. I'm just doing my own research. Michelle is just asking questions. She's just like, you got money too. Why is a gay guy sending you money on your birthday? Is that suspicious? Like, if you, as a gay guy, I want to feel like I can be friends with a straight man. I don't know how often I accomplished that.

But, like, am I sending the money on their birthday? Perhaps not. Oh, Michelle. Michelle and Jesse's just, like, yelling at each other on the roof of this house while Zach and Jasmine and Melissa listen on. And I love that, like, Jasmine and Melissa are, like, really kind of, like, concerned by this and Zach is like eating it the fuck up his facial expressions the way that he's like uh-um-huh like if there was like a reaction track and then they go quiet for a minute

and Zach's just like did she kill him and m'l jasmine's like what are you talking about he's like no because because they stop talking i'm team Zach look I think Zach is having a really good I saw a few comments on our episode together earlier this week of people being like, Zach is really growing on me this season. And I think that it's important to have people in the cast that are good reactors. And he is that. And then some he's giving commentary. Danny and Nia's whole situation this week.

It's weird. It's weird, you guys. Why can't we just say that he's drunk? He's wasted. Sneaking shots in the, in the past. pantry? You're on a reality show. It is, I think we've heard in legal filings that it is encouraged to be drinking. You don't have to sneak shots in the pantry. It's okay. It's okay. Danny Baby, get it as drunk as you want. Neon's going to tuck you in. It's just weird. Yeah,

it's, it's some weird energy between them. And I'm curious how much we're going to explore that for the rest of the season, because it feels like they sort of entered the ring of, of the troubled marriages this week. And I don't know how deep we're going to go there. I don't wish that they are not doing well. I want them to have that big old mansion in Santa Clarita. And we know they're going to have four under four. So I hope everything's good.

But noted with interest. But that's where we're going to stop today. I don't want to go too long because if I get going on the valley, I won't stop. But next week, we will talk more about it. More Mormon wives next week. Summer House finale. We'll get back into Real House House House of Atlanta. I know.

I know. I know. Love Hotel. Love Hotel. I'm kind of liking. It feels a little more Luann crying about her dad. I'm into it. I don't know. Giselle doesn't like the men, though. That's a tough one. But that's all she wrote for this week. Thank you guys for listening. Don't forget to rate, review, subscribe. Watch on YouTube. We have, like I said, Mormon lives coming up on Tuesday. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Mention It All is produced by me, Dylan Hafer, and Joe Diomor. edited by Julia Stanton and Grace Hernandez-Johnson.

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