Mention It All - Shannon Beador is TOTALLY FINE Ft. Sam Bush (RHOC)

Episode Date: August 10, 2023

On today’s episode, Sam Bush returns to the pod with some piping hot tea courtesy of Carole Radziwill. She and Dylan then turn to RHONJ filming news, and their hopes for this uncertain season. Then, they recap RHOC, with a focus on Shannon’s relationship red flags, and her social media war with Gina. Check out our latest promo codes here: https://betches.com/promos Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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See Store Online for details. Betches Media presents. Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All, a Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With me, Dylan Hafer. We're going to check me, boo. Hey, everyone.

Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I am Dylan Hafer, and today I am thrilled to be joined once again by my friend and colleague, Samantha. Samantha. How are you? I'm doing good, Dylan. How are you? You know, making it through.

Yeah. Yesterday's episode, I talked about the whole below deck down under situation, which was not what I was expecting this week on Bravo. You know, things got dark fast. Things got dark fast. Now, I haven't dipped my toe in a below deck in those waters in a long time because it's just, it just feels like there's too much. And then I saw those clips. And wow. It is fun.

With below deck, I try to watch most of it. but I definitely, you know, I don't always finish every season. It's a little hit or miss for me. But every time something big happens on Below Deck and I'll post about it, it'll like do well and I'll get comments that are like, finally, we're talking about Below Deck. And it's like, right. Like when it's important. Yeah.

But then if I post about like every Monday's episode, nobody cares. No one cares. The world of content creation. If everybody could just like every single post, that would. That would go a long way. And, like, comment, that'd be great. Just comment some glowing words of adoration. Even if you have no idea what's happening in the post.

Just be like, wow. This is profound. Yeah. And, you know, I'm reeling from some information I just saw on Twitter. Oh, no. Carol revealed who the person was that sent Bethany of the picture. Oh, my God. Of Tom kissing that woman at the Regency.

It was former disgraced. former Donald Trump attorney Michael Cohen, I believe. Yeah. Who sent the picture to Dennis, who he was friendly with, who then passed it along to Bethany. Dennis, you know, may he rest. It's, this is a very bizarre, like, it is funny how Carol is one of those people where she has so thoroughly detached herself from the world of Housewives and Bravo. Like, I, she's one of the few people who I honestly.

believe when she says like I don't that doesn't interest me like going back doing a girl's trip whatever but like she still will sometimes just like leave a comment or say something in an interview where it's like oh oh Carol knows where some bodies are buried oh for sure and especially because she was friends with Bethany for so long like they were really close so it's just like you can only imagine the things that she was told or the things that she knows and especially with Bethany going on now her like very anti-Bravo like rants. It's just crazy. I don't know. I saw that and I truly my eyes bugged out of my head. I couldn't believe it. But then when I thought about it, I was like, I guess that makes sense. I mean, I guess it's just funny. It's funny to think of

Michael Cohen being at wherever this photo was taken. The regency. It was the regency. Okay. And I'm just being like, I think I should take a photo of this. The fact that he knows who Luan de la Ceps is is crazy. enough to know that that's the guy that she's with and that it's a big deal? If you think about it before this, I was just rewatching the first ever episode of Roney because I'm going to be, I'm rewatching season one and recapping it. Actually, announcement, announcement, the first episode is coming out tomorrow. So make sure you're subscribed.

But like in Jill's first ever seen on Roney, she's going, she's in the back of a car going through all the invitations she received that day. And like one of the luncheons, she's like, oh, Ivana Trump will be at that one. And it's like, okay. They love to invoke Avana Trump. Like, Sonia does that a lot too. She'll be like, oh, yeah, I wore that with Avana or whatever. Like, oh, Ivan.

I'm like, why are we talking about this woman? I know. It really, yeah, may she rest as well? Yeah, I think she's buried at a golf course. I believe that's correct. But it really, it makes you think like going back to the origins of Roney. Like, these people were, I mean, Donald Trump, of course, was not yet a political figure, really. So it's like these women in the like quote unquote New York social scene were really like one degree of separation away from that.

There's a photo with them together. Of course Michael Cohen knows who Luann is. Right. It's really crazy. You're about to get into an episode Dylan, season one, episode six, where so much so many like iconic moments that you remember from Rooney, old Roney, like all happened in this one episode. It's crazy. I'm excited because honestly, and this was the. the case when I rewatched season one of Vanderpump Rules with Sammy a few months ago.

I haven't watched a lot of those really old episodes since the first time, like six or seven years ago when I was kind of like on my Bravo journey. And so it's it's crazy to like actually turn back the clock and watch those episodes. But I want to, speaking of, you know, things that are happening on social media and the Bravo world. So Real House of New Jersey has begun filming. this week. There were cameras outside of envy. Teresa stands around the world, you know, shed a tear at the final confirmation that Melissa will indeed not be fired. I think I think we saw Danielle and

Rachel both getting glammed this week, which, you know, but I want to, speaking of New Jersey, I just want to read these tweets that I sent to you this morning that I saw. So a couple weeks ago, Jill Zeran had her luxury luncheon. There was, you know, a nice smattering of Bravo Lebrides and other there. And so there's this photo of Countess Luann with this guy David Yantif who's like Bravo podcaster, whatever. He's friendly with a lot of housewives. And Margaret Joseph's is in the back of this photo doing, I know this as bunny ears in the back of the photo. So like a piece signed behind some time's hat. Yeah. It's pretty, pretty simple stuff. And this, this Twitter account, I'm just good, this is verbatim. I am shocked and disgusted to see Margaret making devil horns behind a

blogger slash podcaster who has exposed her lies at a charity event of all places. This shows that Margaret is truly evil to the core and doesn't care about charity. And then there's a second tweet, Making devilhorns to photo bomb an LGBTQ member is a hate crime. She is trying to insinuate he is going to hell. She is sick for doing this at a charity event in front of children. At Countess Luann, did you see this? At Countess Luann.

Luan's going to be like, why am I in this? Well, she's in the photo. Oh, she is. Okay, sorry. No, I mean, that doesn't make it make any more sense. Devil horns. Yeah, I don't. Interesting.

That is so fucking hilarious. I'm sorry. Like, the people that hate Melissa Marge and mainly those two, like, they come up with the funniest, craziest things you've ever heard. It's funny because I think, obviously, like, you don't have to love Melissa and Margaret. Like I think there are lots of varying opinions that have value and feelings are everybody relates to situations differently. But just objectively, some of the things that people say about them and to them and like, you know, in the world of the show, it's like, that is fucking ridiculous. And like so absurd that you know if Margaret saw those tweets, she would be like laughing her ass off.

Yeah. Like she would be like, she would make merch out of it. like she would just make it like she would take to the farthest degree possible yeah devil horns well the funny thing is though that like I can envision a world in which somebody would send that to Jennifer Aiden and then she would

bring it up as if it's like real well they did a hate crime at the event did you do something in front of the children yeah I'd be like didn't you vote for Trump isn't that a hate crime yeah I'm like so anxious about Jersey being filming again it's weird

to think, like, it's a strange feeling and I can't really decide exactly where I fall on it because obviously we don't know how the season is going to go. But I'm like, I'm glad that they're filming. Like, I'm, I'm excited that there's going to be another season for us to watch and break down at some point in the future. But at the same time, I'm like, oh, my God, I just, I don't know. I don't know. I know. It's like, I'm anxious. Well, and we're already getting so many, so many, like, tidbits. bits about Vanderpump Rules filming. And that's another situation where it's like, oh, Tom and Ariana won't make eye contact with each other, but they're still living together.

And it's like, it's like Billy Lee is coming back. Like, I'm hearing too much about this show. Right. I'm hearing too much. But also, it's just, it's hard to make a productive ensemble show when there are people in the cast who physically can't or won't spend time together. So I, with Vanderpump Rules, obviously. it's like I want to see the evolution of this Scandival situation, so I get it.

But with Jersey, it's like, if Melissa and Teresa are like, just mad at each other the whole season, it's going to be tough. Yeah. I mean, and then with the Louie stuff, like, I don't know. Because if they're not going to film together, like, that's disappointing. Like, I would hope that they would kind of mix it up a little bit together, you know, but I don't know what we're going to get. Yeah, I'm hoping that the other women in the group can kind of like pick up a little bit of that slack maybe and hopefully.

I mean, hopefully Danielle stops running away. I know. Danielle stop running away, you know, maybe engage with, engage with the rest of the cast a little bit more. Dang a brother miced up. Oh my God, truly. Please. If Danielle's getting glammed up, that brother better be getting glammed up too. Yeah, throw some lashes on him, some fall season.

Let's go. please. I think that actually is like one of the biggest things for this season. I'm like, Danielle's coming back to the show. This has been such a central plot point. Like we're going to need to see the brother. We're going to need to see the brother and the sister-in-law. And the sister-in-law.

And you know that they want to also. Like, I feel like it's like it's like. Those parents raised fame mongers. Are you kidding? They're figuring out how they can agree to having peace talks, you know. We don't know if it's going to be productive, but I believe it'll happen. God, I hope so. So good, so good.

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Work your magic. Speaking of peace talks, the Orange County situation between Gina and Shannon every day gets more tense. Every day. The situation that has happened between Gina and Shannon on social media just in the last week is so surprising to me. I know. I feel like with OC a lot of the time, there's like, obviously not everybody gets along. But in terms of the social media stuff and kind of like how they handle these conflicts, I feel like they, the temperature usually doesn't get too too hot between people, except for when you have like a Kelly Dodd just going off the rails kind of thing. But with Gina and Shannon, they are like fully just trading barbs back and forth across multiple, across Instagram, Twitter, stories, feed posts, captions.

it is it's really it feels like it's snuck up on us and all of a sudden we're you know 10 episodes or whatever into the season and I'm like oh this reunion is going to be messy crazy it's going to be messy and so good I cannot wait I mean because just this shit they're slinging at each other like because I do think Gina like this might I don't know if this is unpopular or a hot take but like I do think like she's being a little too sensitive about it like they had to dress up as each other. Like, it's funny that Shannon came with her hair extensions all crazy. Like, that's funny.

But to like take it, but now they're like both taking it to a point where it's like, you know, I didn't know life was so bad when you just had bad extensions. I was like, oh, God, Shannon. But actually, like, you did know that. Like, she literally was. She was on the show with you. Her husband cheated on her.

They went through a divorce. There was a domestic violence incident. She got a DUI. Like, there were. She had to put her car seats. in an Uber. Like the girl is down bad for a while. Like for Shannon to be like, oh, I thought that the only thing wrong in your life was

your hair extensions. It's like, baby. Like you. But honestly, like Shannon might think that because Shannon lives in her own world like where she only knows what's going on with her. Yeah. And I think Shannon this episode, I mean, it really all the crux of this episode, it's all about Shannon.

It's all about Shannon. This situation with her. and John and whatever she has or hasn't told to various people in the group and how this information is being passed around. It's wild, like, how little we actually know about her relationship and the way that they're speaking about it. It's like they could be talking about anything from like, oh, lack of commitment and like he doesn't sleep over enough to like some wild conspiracy theory shit that we have no idea about. Because the language that's being used. used in like the way they're kind of kind of dancing around it but like talking about it right it's

like wait wait wait wait wait wait did like what is going on in this relationship and the way that Shannon's like that's great my relationship's over are you happy now it's ending it's ending it's like you said it was fine well I enjoyed the conversation between jean and Heather where Heather was like there's a difference between talking about someone and like attacking someone and she's like and I'm not going to like go into that but it's almost like Shannon, um, doesn't realize like by screaming and yelling about how in love she is and how happy they are and how much she's never loved anyone like this. Get real. You were married to David. He cheated on you. You did a vow renewal. We all saw it. And you're telling me that you loved this,

you love this man more than David. I don't think. think that that's true. And also like, Dylan, I don't know if this has ever happened to you, but like, have you really had a friend who's dating like a really bad person and like you all like maybe try to like be like, hey, like, I don't know if this is like a good relationship. And they yell like how in love they are and like they're crying. It's almost giving Sidney Sweeney. Like I've never ever been happier. It's very that. Because it's like you're fucking miserable. No one who's in love like this talk is talking like this. I understand from the level of like she obviously can feel and sense that everybody is talking about her to a degree, which obviously is not

the best. But I think she's scared because she doesn't know what they're saying. And I think she's assuming the worst, which we don't know what that is. Right. And like obviously there is some of the stuff that has happened off camera. So we don't know exactly what we don't know what Shannon told Heather. And then we don't know what Heather has or hasn't shared of that to the other women in the cast. But clearly Shannon's relationship broadly has been a topic of conversation. And the thing is, like, I think if Shannon came to this situation with a little bit more of a down-to-earth emotional response of just saying, like, my relationship, it might not be perfect, it might not be exactly what you guys understand, but we have our issues and we're working through them. And really,

I think what I need right now is just like, for, you guys to respect the privacy. I think that might be received a little differently. But like when Emily is like, well, babe, you tell me all this stuff. And then the second I show concern or ask about it, you freak out. And Shannon's like, Shannon seemingly has completely brain forgot, like memory wiped a phone call that she made to Emily at Javier's earlier this year. She's like, she's like, I talk to you one time in 2020. That's the only phone call I've ever made.

And Emily's like, no, you called me like three months ago when you were at Haviers. Haviers, yeah. And Shannon, like, it seems like there's a moment where Shannon is like, oh, well, like, I don't remember that. And then later she's like, I never called her. She's making it up. It's one time. And I'm like, okay, reunion, are we getting like, can we tap the phone records?

Can we get like? Yeah, like, can we get the text? Like, that's what I want. I need to know what's being said. And like, I just. to watch Shannon just be like, we fight like everyone else. We argue like everybody else. And but when we fight, I'm paralyzed. I'm like, that's like really bad, Shannon. Like you shouldn't feel that way. And like that's what they're all trying to tell her. And like for him not to spend the night, I do think just from my perspective,

I think they do have a tumultuous relationship. I think that's like all the women are kind of dancing around that. And just yet like if like you said, like if she had a more like down. to earth, like, response, it would have been taken differently. But they're also like, that's unfair. Like, you don't get to keep this part of your relationship a secret when, like, we've all had to put our stuff out there. Like, Tamara divorced her husband on camera in the back of a limo. Taylor Armstrong showed up one day with filming with a black eye.

Yeah. Like, you don't get to pick and choose. That's not fair. And for her to be like, John's a private person. Well, then he shouldn't be on camera. Yeah. And I think there would be, it might be different if she was like fully putting on, like keeping up a facade that the relationship is fine or is perfect. Then maybe people wouldn't be talking about it, but you, you create a problematic situation for yourself when you go back and forth between saying that nothing's wrong, but then dropping these little breadcrumbs of information that are seem to be concerning or troubling to other people.

people in the cast. And then as, you know, obviously they all have a job to do making this show, whatever. If, if people want to, you know, pass information through the grapevine, that happens. But also, it's like these women are all on some level friends with each other. And so when Heather's, like, I feel like the last six months or so, Shannon and I have had a friendship that I've enjoyed. And, you know, Shannon has opened up to Heather about things. And same with Emily. It's like, it would be strange and kind of shitty for a friend to not, you know, circle back and see how you're doing and check if you're okay and kind of follow up on that. And it seems like Shannon just, it can only be on her terms and her, it's like completely mood based when she decides to share

versus when she's like, how dare you ask about my relationship? Everything's fine. In the dimly lit driveway screaming about how she's not crazy to producers. I was like, like you're kind of showing your ass right now. And then, you know, I didn't like how she brought up Heather and Terry. And she's like, well, there's stuff going on about you guys. Heather's like in the blogs, like in like shitty like sources. She's like it's not like I'm calling you and telling you what's going on. That's different.

Right. If anything, I think Heather is kind of, Heather is kind of similar to Kyle Richards in a way, I think where it's like there are, you know, there have been. rumors. There have, maybe not Kyle Richards this summer, but like in the, in the past, where it's like, where it's like, yeah, people talk, but at a certain point, if, you know, as many divorce rumors as there can be or, you know, whatever rumors on in the tabloids, it's like, if you show up season after season and put on a united front and there aren't ever divorce papers getting filed, at a certain point, you've kind of moved past that and risen above.

the drama. Whereas like Shannon, she's not telling us anything. She's not, we're not seeing her in the blogs. It's like all of the drama is coming from her presence. Talking about it. Right. Like her talking to the girls about it. They're not, you know, and I remember when the season where her and David were first on the show and Heather was at that lunch and people were talking about Shannon's marriage. Like it so many of those moments were getting again this season like the storming out, you know, of the dinner. Like she did that at Lizzie's house and she's like, you guys will all see the truth. And it's like you're you're showing the same signs of when you were unhappy with David when you're with John. So like I think that's concerning.

And you know, we have to remember like this isn't a cast like Jersey like where I think there's a lot of like malice and like ill intent. with bringing things up. But like you said, they're all genuinely like co-workers. It's an ensemble cast. They like want to make this work. And I think they do care about her. But she's down bad, Dylan.

And she's in that costume. And she's just running amok. And the energy on social media lately is interesting. Obviously she and John broke up earlier this year, but then have some kind of friendly relationship. They've spent time together since then. And I'm curious whether mainly at the reunion, she will be able to kind of be real a little bit about what she was going through while the season was filming. Because I get that at the time, you know, these episodes that we're watching, based on the timeline, she is probably really actively trying to make her relationship work.

And maybe she sees the writing on the wall that it's not going to work. And she's fighting against that. And we know that she is somebody who has been through a similar situation before. She is very emotionally fragile sometimes. And I hope that maybe at the reunion, she can bring down the wall a little bit and be like, look, yeah, October, November of last year was not a good time. My relationship was basically on its way out the door. And I was kind of freaking out because of that.

And, you know, I handled certain situations in a certain way. Now, you know, Shannon being Shannon, do I think that that's what we're going to hear from her at the reunion? Yeah. I'm not convinced. I think we're probably going to get some version of like, well, you know, like onward and upward and I'm just focused on me and like X, Y, Z, which like I'm sure. But I, I'm curious like the end of this season and the reunion how the issue of Shannon's breakup is actually going to be handled. Because I think it's the same like what we're seeing on Atlanta right now with. drew. It's like because these relationships ended either at the end of filming or after filming had

concluded, it's like the main storyline of the season is in a different place than we are as viewers. Right. And when they did break up in January, I remember seeing articles where she said that she was like blindsided by this breakup. Yeah. So I'm like, were you? It's like blindsided, but then also in multiple different scenarios on the show, we've seen her be like, well, if this comes out, my relationship is over. Are you happy?

It's like, okay, but you, it seems like you kind of knew or at least had an inkling that it was going to go this way. I mean, I get emotionally why you could still feel like you weren't prepared for it, but it's like on paper, it doesn't actually seem like,

I mean, even Emily is like, Emily's like, who's going to be there at the end of the day? Is it going to be him or is it going to be us? My money's on us. Like Emily's giving, you know, my girl. I love her. She finally unblocked me.

It was a really exciting day. Yeah. I was really happy. She's giving great confessional work, you know. It's not too shady and it's not like too put on. She's just like, Shannon's being a fucking idiot about this. Like you think she, you think that she wanted to make Shane out to be this like little dork, this miserable little dork in the first few seasons.

No. But like they worked through it. think it's really telling that John is like really controlling and it's like, you know, don't tell anybody about our problems. Don't. Because it's like, that's a normal thing to do is like when you're having a relationship issue, like you go to your friend. It doesn't mean that you're like bad mouthing your partner or whatever. You're just like, hi, like we're going through this. Like you want help or clarity. I don't know. He gives me bad vibes. Same. It's a normal thing to do with friends. And especially when you're on a show like this. And you know, this is not her situation with David.

Shannon has been on reality TV the entire time that she has been in a relationship with John. So if this was something that he really was like a hard line for him, he shouldn't have spent three years with her. He shouldn't, like he got into this situation. He lets the camera crew on his boat. In his, in his small house at the water. Study and play. Come together on a Windows 11 PC. And for a limited time, college students get

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Refreshers contain caffeine. Copyright 2026, the Coca-Cola Company. Sprite is a registered trademark of the Coca-Cola Company. I actually do really like the Housewives Party theme of dressing up like your castmates. So good. It was so... Whose idea was that?

It was Jen and Tamara threw the party together. Oh, right. Right. I have a feeling it was somebody on production's idea, but... But Jen took that theme

and ran with it. Her costume was the best one. She went to the deck. She got the hat and the shirt. She went to the deck and she got that cat. Yeah. She like had the cat from the meme.

Like, it was very, very funny. And her lips really did look like Taylor's. It's funny to see like who puts in effort and who doesn't. It's like Heather's outfit. Heather showed up in a jump suit. And like the hair wasn't the right color.

I didn't know who she was supposed to be. Yeah. It wasn't the best. She was, yeah, she was Jen. She just had like, she had like babies and dogs.

Oh, yeah. Emily was a good Shannon. Gina was a good Emily. Gina was a good Emily. And with her like off the shoulder like ruffle shirt and the skinny jeans. Tamara's Heather Dubrow skewed a little bit more.

funny than realistic. Like, Heather would never actually wear that like zip up jumpsuit with like a money gun. Yeah. I thought maybe she could have gone more like literal with it. Yeah, but I don't think she. I was going to say something. I don't think she can afford to dress like that. Oh my God.

I don't actually think. And Vicki came as herself. Vicki coming as herself. She's like, I'm the OG. OC. What do you want? And it's like, I think what that's code for is that Vicki was kind of a last minute. addition to this and like the cards had already been drawn and they're like yeah no vicky's not an actual

part of the cast she's not like she's not an option to dress up as it this episode to me was such a good balance of like fun and craziness of housewives but also like drama like i liked when taylor like licked emily's nipple i was like oh this is fun i feel like fun emily we wouldn't have gotten that a few years ago never emily is you know she's a fun girl emily's on a cruise with her family right now. With Annabel. With Annabel and with Luke and Keller. Yeah.

God, my brain is a disaster zone. I like don't know my custom kids' names and I'm like, Annabel, Luke and color. You know, the funniest thing I realize is that on the new Roney, both Jessel and Sye have sons named Rio. Mm-hmm. And Jules, Weinstein's kid son's name was Rio. Oh my, I didn't know that.

Wow. What is happening? Mentally ill. in like Rio is the new cruise Rio is the new cruise Wow profound But yeah Emily's on this cruise with her Cruise

She's on the cruise She's on the cruise and she like I was like tapping through her Instagram stories And she like They made her wait in line to get ice cream cones for everyone And she posted this selfie of her That's just like her face with like four ice cream cones in her hands And I'm like I that's fun Emily

She's living her best life It's fun Emily you know and I'm enjoying Shane You know who I'm not enjoying? Who? Jen and Ryan. Yeah. We do, okay, so you're not, you say that. Do you, do you not like Jen on the cast?

Okay, okay, okay. I meant them together. Yes. Not enjoying them together. I'm enjoying it for the sense of like I like watching it because it's so insane to me that he's like telling her best friend from Oklahoma that he wants to marry her in 12 months. 12 months. And that friend is a bad fucking friend.

I never want to see that woman again. Her name is Taylor. Taylor. Two tailors from Oklahoma on this episode. Too much Oklahoma in OC. Because remember Brianna moved to Oklahoma. Vicki hated Oklahoma. Too much Oklahoma.

But yeah, this woman is a terrible friend. And she's like talking to Jen. And she's like, yeah, you know, he's a nice guy and he cares for you. Like that's what we're going with? Yeah. I think. Like, let's read between the lines. Like she doesn't want to marry him because she's terrified that he'll cheat on her and break her heart again.

I wonder how open Jen is with people in her life who aren't in the cut fitness cult about like Ryan's philandering nature. Because like all the women on the show are like, oh yeah, obviously he's going to cheat on her left and right. But it's like if this is Jen's friend from home and all she said is that she's a little worried about the commitment, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They're like, no, girl, he loves you because he said he loves you and he wants to marry you. Because he said he wanted to. Date TBD based on when your ongoing divorce is over. But Jen voicing that she is worried about Ryan, quote, feeling trapped when the rings go on. It's like this is.

That seems healthy. It's like you just said, you stated point blank the exact reason. why this man is not a serious option as a life partner. Mm-mm. Because it's like, okay, I always think about, okay, I have never been married. I haven't been engaged. Like, this isn't my personal experience. But just from hearing and seeing a lot of other people go through it, it always is a little bit of a red flag to me.

When people act like getting engaged or married is like going to fundamentally transform and like turn your world upside. down and change all of the dynamics because it's to me, and maybe this is off base, but like, I feel like if your relationship is like solid and healthy and at the point where you are ready to commit either, you know, on paper or just, you know, in life to each other, like getting a marriage license should not be something that makes the other person be like, oh, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. What did I do? Like that, that says that you had issues before that.

And maybe there's a trigger that got triggered, but like, well, it's like when people have kids thinking that's going to solve their problems. And it's like that doesn't solve your problems. Like it magnifies your problems. And I think that it happens with marriage too. A lot of the times. And I don't think you're off base at all. And she's someone who has been married who knows that that is basically what happens. Like, you know, if you marry someone and they've cheated on you, you know, they're probably going to cheat on you again. I don't think they care of it. you're married. Yeah. I mean, she's like currently still going through her divorce. She's technically still married. And you're talking about having a future with this guy. And if you're already concerned enough about that, then like to me, that is reason enough not to go through with it. And I mean, I hope that she figures out how best to proceed for her. Like, I'm, you know, I don't need to tell her what to do. But it's like, babe, this isn't, this doesn't feel great to watch. No. And the thing that. sucks for her, I guess, is like, because you know that she knows the answer.

Like she knows that they shouldn't get married. She's like, I don't want that right now. Like she's the one like she knows how she feels. But it's like everyone else around her like Ryan and her idiot friend Taylor are like telling her like, no, like it will be fine. Like you'll it will all work out. Like once you get engaged like it will be, you know, he'll figure it's like no. Like in. knows that and it's like I don't like seeing a woman know what she wants and then be like gaslit into like thinking that that's not really what she feels totally and she says some she mentions you know her situation is weird with her divorce and stuff and she doesn't want to

feel like a financial burden to Ryan if they get married and I'm like okay like that's all well and good but like focus on yourself because there's enough there are enough question marks just about you and how you're feeling about this, that, like, Ryan can figure out if he wants to take on a financial burden and that can be his problem. Oh, my God. Should we start a relationship podcast?

Give relationship advice. Like, Jen, your problem is figuring out whether you want to take on shitty man and then he can think about the financial ramifications. And you also got five kids, girl, and like a million cats now. Those all those kittens. It was like crazy.

It's stressful. I know. Best of luck, Jen and Ryan. Gina and Shannon, maybe take a break from the, from Instagram. Yeah. I mean, they've got to be filming this reunion soon, so. Hopefully soon. I'm excited, though. And Sam, this has been, it's been fun breaking this all down with you.

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