Mention It All - Shannon’s Big Mistake & Lindsay’s Big Heartbreak Ft. Ryan Bailey

Episode Date: September 18, 2023

To start the week, Dylan is joined in the studio by Ryan Bailey, host of Betches’ latest podcast So Bad It’s Good With Ryan Bailey. They break down Lindsay’s heartbreaking post addressing her and Carl’s breakup, and analyze how it will be handled next season on Summer House. They also discuss the shift in casting for this season of Winter House, and why RHONY is hitting differently depending on who you ask. Later, they unpack Shannon’s DUI news and how OC will address it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I am Dylan Hafer, and I am so excited to kick off this week with a returning guest, a fellow podcast host who is, as of today, a fellow Betches podcast host. Please welcome the host of So Bad It's Good with Ryan Bailey. It is Ryan Bailey. Yes. I am so excited to be. I have, I have coffee coursing through my veins. It's Monday. It's raining. I couldn't be more excited to be here. We recorded an episode of your podcast a couple hours ago. Your coffee has now been fully drank. Fully drank. Yeah. We're ready to go. Yes. We have stuff to talk about. There's the Shannon, a Shannon Padour, DUI that we'll get to a minute. But I, I want to talk to you about Lindsay and Carl. Because I haven't gotten to to break down the full news yet. And that statement that Lindsay posted

on Thursday or Friday, whatever day that was, God, it's heartbreaking. It's tough. No matter if you like her as a character on that show or you don't like her, what she is going through, even if there is reason for Carl to do any of this,

which is yet to be determined, it's really heartbreaking what she wrote. Yeah, so I have her statement here. And this is after, so if you haven't been keeping up with this, how dare you? But basically, the timeline, you know, a couple weeks ago now we get sources and rumors that Carl has broken up with Lindsay, that cameras were called to the premises and it was done on camera. So then early last week, we got this leaked letter, email, whatever, that Carl had written to their wedding guests. Because they were supposed to be getting married

in Mexico, I believe, this fall. And so he, He had written this whole letter to everyone who was supposed to come to the wedding, basically being like, sorry, I know this is so inconvenient. My bad. My bad. I encourage you guys to still take that vacation. It is a beautiful area this time of year, guys, no matter if we're in love or not. So this was, I mean, you're sending this to what, 100 people on your guest list. Of course it was leaked, you know.

Yeah, is Page on that list? Like, of course somebody's going to leak that. So this letter was leaked in full. It was to People Magazine, too, which is a reputable source. Yeah. So as of that time, Lindsay had still not been heard from in the wake of the alleged breakup. But late last week, she puts out this statement on Instagram. It's like two slides of text.

But a couple of the quotes I just bolded. She said, the last two weeks have been the most heartbreaking and emotional weeks of my life. My entire life and future was ripped out from underneath me, and I've had a hard time making sense of it all with no answers or closure on why. I feel humiliated by how it went down and simultaneously heartbroken that it happened in the first place. And then in the next paragraph, she says, this was not my decision. And I do not agree with quitting a relationship at this level without trying everything possible first. I have spent the last couple of weeks finding my own closure and peace. She thanks her best friends who have not left her side.

She's been picking up the pieces of her heart and life every day from the fallout. And the other thing, too, the top paragraph said about this has been her best friend for eight years. Not only the loss, grieve the loss of not only my relationship, but my friendship with someone I considered my best friend for eight years. This is deep. And I think the gushy babeness of their relationship on the show maybe made it easy to minimize like the amount of. And also the amount that we've seen Lindsay go through with other guys made it like, you know, oh, you've never made me a sandwich, all of that stuff. You know, when this is like real pain. And Carl, the other thing, Carl's statement that went out to the email to the guests, he said Lindsay and I.

And Lindsay went not in this statement, but before said, I had no part in this email. Yeah. It's really tough. And I think whatever you thought of them as a couple, obviously it was easy to be like, how real is this? But I think this type of statement, it's like just on a human level, it's like, goddamn, this is rough. And if you're a Bravo fan and we just experienced Scandival, which is, you know, it's very different. We don't know exactly what happened with Carl. We're yet to be determined.

but they already hit you with cameras are back up. Yeah. And then also you realize once you hear that kind of pain or read that kind of pain, you're like, wow, Lindsay's going to have to experience this all over again because there's no doubt in my mind that we will see scenes from Carl that she will have no idea that he had filmed talking about their relationship. And she will be hurt all over again after she started to pick up the pieces and heel because Summerhouse isn't ready for another, what, three, four months?

That's, I think, the biggest difference between this and Skisland. Scandival. First of all, we don't know what Carl may or may not have done. So we don't know if there is really a scandal per se in terms of cheating or whatever else might have caused this. But we also are not in season on this show right now. They've just finished filming for the season. So they have full creative reign, I guess, to kind of craft this story into a compelling season of television. Whereas with Scandival, they, I mean, they, they really did what they could with a wild schedule and turnaround and, you know, everybody get your asses back to WeHo. We got to film some more stuff. This really now is going to be the story of the season, I would assume. Yeah, because now

we'll be watching with that second eye that we, you're the third eye that we have like we did with Scandibald. The famous second eye. The famous, you know, you people with your one eyes out there. No, like we watched then Scandibald from a whole different lens. Yeah. We went back and goes, oh, he's looking at Rachel in this scene. Does that mean anything? So now having this information from episode one, they have not locked probably any edits on these shows. They will now probably start to craft that narrative around them.

Right. I mean, thinking of the, from the season super tease of how that's going to be edited together, I'm sure it's going to be explosive. How are they going to be at BravoCon? Like, what is that? experience going to be. It's going to be awkward for us now. We've got to see you guys together in a room and it's going to be horrible.

And I think that is, that's something that like in terms of the actual television narrative, this is kind of the ideal schedule. And so it does make it a little questionable on Carl's part. Again, knowing what little we know, was it super organic that this breakup happened the week that filming ended for the season? it's... I just... He's such not a show man.

You know what I'm saying? Like, when he was drinking, he was more obviously gregarious. But he just doesn't come off as that... You know how like Sandoval, we were talking earlier? Like, he just doesn't stop. Still, he's off-season.

He's saying stupid stuff still. It's not like Carl's going out on tour with Carl Radke and the backbeaters. He's not going on tour now. You know, like, we don't know what he necessarily did, but it's really awkward timing. And do we want to really believe that Carl, this guy that woke up early,

made his bed, went on a run, drink a bunch of water before 9 a.m. That he is literally going, I need to make my yearly nut right now, or I'm screwed. Because we know from Kyle that he didn't do very good at Loverboy. He's not good with regular jobs potentially. He's not on Winterhouse this coming season. I mean, is that a, isn't that weird, though,

when the actual reality of reality becomes the storyline of this pressure you feel to make your rent to keep being popular? Yeah. I mean, I think with Scandival, that's one of the, one of the more interesting kind of tales that we're following of it is how, you know, Jack's Taylor is suddenly going to be on some show again. Yeah. And Kristen is going to be on some show again. Like, there is a real economy and there's, you know, you have a good year and a bad year and, you know, a bad few years. And like with Summerhouse, it's like these people are not so established that if they got.

you know, dropped off the show next year. It's like, what does that look like for them? Not everybody's going to have, you know, spin off after spin off. They're on their way. But that's the fascinating thing of like, you know, we're talking about housewives too, of like these people that get into the game of this,

it becomes this game. It's no longer just living your live. You're living your lives. You're living for the show. Yeah. You're living for content. And, you know, Craig, you know, is somebody that's so, you know,

even Craig in the season premiere of Southern. Charm. Like, he ends it. Like, he's like, you don't do this to me, Taylor, and, like, runs out. And you know that Craig walked out of there going, that's how you do a scene. Like, he's aware. Right. Like, coming into that type of thing, Southern Charm is such an interesting cop, because these people truly have lived, like, their entire adult lives, whatever, how long has been on the show. Like, we have seen it all. Like, they know that they're showing up. This is these, it's, you know, Madison and Brett's, like, wedding after you're finally meeting my man party. But it's also, it's the season premiere party.

Yeah. That's what it is. They know that it's like one of the first days of shooting. Right. And so it's like, Taylor knows that she has to, like, establish herself as a solo cast member, not as, you know, they all kind of have their objectives to, like, you know, start the season in a good position, like, poll position. If I was a producer, I would let, I would remind Taylor, like. he did this to you, you know? Like he said he was going to be, you know, you're forever, that you had tamed him.

You know, like, you would remind Taylor of this. You would remind Craig, Craig, do you want another drink? You are killing it today. Everything that you're saying is making sense. Like, I wonder if those kind of goose is because it's not actually forming the reality, because that's in Craig. But Craig also is, I really consider him one of my favorite housewives. He's like a shit, like just the, he really brings it on in a way a housewife does.

Do you like Craig or do you think he's good at. reality TV. I think, well, it's that mixture. It's like that's so bad, it's good mixture of, I like that he likes being on reality television. And there is something inherently charming about Craig. There's something inherently charming about all the Southern Charmin. But he's just not to the way of like Tamara where she's very aware of the game. You know, Craig had sound bites last year of like, you know, I'm the number one guy on Bravo, on this. He's aware of the fandom. I mean, I read his book or I listened to his audio book. And it's like, you know, sewing down. South happened because of the fandom and all of this stuff.

I think he's very aware. And I think he's kind of good at it. But that's hard when you're really good is when you get drunk. Yeah. I think it's tough also because sometimes people obviously want to see these storylines that are, you know, massaged in this way that makes them most watchable. But also people really have a negative reaction to when they feel like somebody is performing for the cameras. It's such a thin line, right?

It's such a thin line and such a, it's so easy to kind of overdo it. I think that with Summer House, I think that's maybe a little more of a concern that it's like, because it is so constructed of we're all living in this sharehouse together that we come to for, we're nearing 40, that we come to for six odd weekends a year. And, you know, new people that are 10 years younger than us will just arrive. just filter in like minuto, we just reinvent the band. I think with Summerhouse, that is kind of one of the challenges that maybe we don't think about enough, that it's like, this is one of the few shows on Bravo that specifically exists in this constructed environment versus, you know, your Vanderpump, your Southern Charm, all the Housewives shows are, you know, within the circle of friends of everyday life.

Yeah. I mean, there's a big brother element to Summerhouse that I actually, I particularly enjoyed their pandemic season. I thought I was like, wow, great. And then I even was, you know, not conspiratorial, but I was like, that oven has not worked for like a month. And I bet they're just telling them that oven doesn't work because they know it would actually make good content of them keep complaining about the oven. They're like waiting for Amanda to get desperate enough to like break her quarantine and drive to home depot. We're watching them do microwaved meals. I know Summerhouse is one of those fascinating shows because I also, I know you're a big sports fan.

I hope it's like the NFL where you watch Kyle having to suit up each summer. Like, can I do it again? Like eventually these bodies are going to wear out. And you can't keep drinking at this level and partying at this level. Yeah, Kyle is, it is hard to picture at this point. What is the summer house dismount for these? Oh, geez. Like, is it a dismount or is it just a fall on your face?

I don't know. I mean, like, for people like Kyle and Amanda, they are back at the Winterhouse. We got the trailer for the season. And I like what they're doing with Winterhouse this season. They're mixing it up a little bit. Brian, Ben. You got Brian from Family Karma. Tom Schwartz is going to be there.

I don't need Sandy. I don't need Captain Sandy. A couple of below deck. We have Malia. We have Katie, yeah. was a Chief Stu. She's the one that looks like Kira Knightley, if you can't keep. Katie Flutty, yeah.

Flutty? Captain Sandy making an appearance, God, I don't know why. But one of the Summer House Martha's Vineyard Girlies is going to be there. Yeah, Jordan. It's an interesting thing because Winterhouse started basically as a Southern charm and Summer House mashup with like some randos added. And it feels like they're kind of leaning into it as this mixing pot of all the different pro-o shows.

Which I'm okay. I mean, like, it didn't start that way. And of course, like that's like you said, you know, Lindsay and Carl aren't a part of this. I know Sandoval was supposed to be a part of this, but then Scandibald happened. But like, I'm okay with those mashups as long as you don't lose. I was about to say original charm, but I don't know how charming that actually is. Well, I think I think the question is with Winterhouse, the first and second seasons, a lot of the storylines, which it's only like six episodes long, so as much

storyline as there is, was built on what has happened with these people that we've seen. And people like Malia and Katie, as much as you may or may not have liked them on their individual seasons of below deck, they're not really bringing any baggage into this show. I mean, I don't think anybody's going to ask Malia about when she ratted out. Hannah like four years ago on below deck med. Like that's not, that's not like a storyline. If somebody brings in volume to the winter house,

she's like, and that's what Sandy comes for. She's like, Sandy, I need you here now. We have, we're breaking maritime law. Right.

I don't think maritime law is going to come into play at this season of Winterhouse, but it's like, do we get enough out of these people anyway, that it's kind of like, is the juice going to be worth the squeeze? I would say, uh,

no, until I heard that that Katie and Schwartz. Katie from Blow Deck have a showman's. And to me, that's fascinating because it sets up that Game of Thrones kind of lore where you're like, whoa, we know that Schwartz was right. This was like right as Scandival was like almost peaking. He goes off and does Winterhouse. All of those things happened with Katie. And he hooks up with a new Katie at the like when all of this is going on with his best friend.

He, you know, tells Andy on watch what happens live. Like my buddy got lost in the sauce. and he doesn't, that's amazing. Yeah, I do think also it's probably for the best that the, the timelines of these shows are going to be a little less intertwined. Because there was a period last year when Winterhouse was on. And it was like, okay, so this was happening right after Southern Charm had filmed. And Summer House had filmed like six months before, but we hadn't seen the season yet.

And Southern Charm was airing. And it was like, where are we in the storylines with all these people? like Austin is at the Winterhouse potentially inviting Olivia and it's like wait what like that's a thing well because this we have Corey and Samantha right because Corey is a main cast member and Sam comes up to visit from the preview or the trailer and Corey has been flirting with a bunch of I think Malia is one of them and somebody else and we see like an intense scene with Sam and Malia I think yeah sure I don't know I feel like winter house is like low stakes for me I'm like I hope it's entertaining, but also like at the end of the day. I just like that Bravo finally, you know,

a couple years ago decided, listen, 90 day fiance is doing universe building. As scary as that is, like it's very scary if you're in the 90 day universe. But I always thought, Bravo, like, we are under like this shared universe, like capitalize on that. So this is that attempt to do that. So I'm all for different, you know, trying different things out. That's why my idea still stands. I want there to be like, ultimate girls trip, not specifically for housewives that's like hot moms or whatever. And I wanted to be like Golnessa. Yes. And I wanted to be, I had a list at one point, like La La.

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What do you think about these these last couple episodes in Incula? So I thought about this deeply, actually, way too. Because I was watching OC this week, and I don't know, I used to be more of like when they're doing like water aerobics. That was like fun. And as I get older, it's, I'm like, come on, let's get to the talking. Let's get to the relationship. So then you have New York and it's all trying to build these relationships.

They're playing like dinner party games of trying to get to know each other because they don't necessarily yet. I'm still invested and I'm still finding something multiple things to love each episode. I just think this is like, you know, setting that foundation. So when shit does hit the fan next season or the season after, this foundation has been set. But I see a lot of people's comments of like, enough with the talking and your stories. I, yeah, I see what you mean. I think for me, the last couple episodes have gotten a little stagnant just in terms of what's happened on the trip.

so far. It's like, okay, so the the main drama from last week into this week was that not everyone believed Jessel's story. Her upbringing. Not growing up, Rich. It's like, okay. At a certain point, I mean, sigh is like, we just want to know about you. And Jess is like, well, you asked and I told you

and now you're calling me a liar. So like, you either know something that I'm not saying or you don't. And you just want to not believe me. It's like, this isn't, this isn't interesting because if there's not going to be any kind of revelation. Yeah. It's like, okay, so you just, you think she seems rich. Or what? Like, what's, you know, I totally get it, but I think this is the low, there's low stakes housewives, but we're so used to housewives on steroids because of like Erica Jane and all of those kind of things that we actually, when we start, you know, I always thought a real housewives of New York and I know this is blasphemy to a lot of people. But what I love,

loved about these women, there were complete characters, but it was also in the dialogue. It was in them talking over each other. There weren't like, I mean, there went to be like huge things happening down the line, but it was just how insane these women are. To me, Jessel is a character. She's a character. So if you tee her up, it's just that I think we're so used to housewives on steroids that when you get to these simpler, smaller, we're fighting over a phone, we're fighting over a dinner reservation. We're fighting over that. I think sometimes that pales in comparison to the, the real exciting stuff. Yeah. I do think we needed a little bit of Marisol Patton coming into that dinner to ask who they trust the least. Because I think with the dinner parties, it's like,

I like that you're getting to know each other, but everybody sharing an embarrassing story isn't actually as interesting as. It seemed like they might have been enjoying hearing the stories more than the audience at home was enjoying hearing. Right. It's one of those things where when you hear about how like a crazy group dinner on Housewives that was a six minute scene was actually three hours long. And it's like, right. So we obviously don't need to see everything and seeing each person share their hilarious, embarrassing story. It's like, so I wish there would have been something to jump to. Yeah. No, listen, I'm fascinated as anybody that Bryn put a tampon in her butt. Great. Amazing. But then you just get then six more stories of something that's lesser than that.

It just all does kind of blend together. But like I said, to me, this is like this building season, is that we're trying to invest in these women. So when shit does hit the fan, and I think it will, like you feel like it's about to pop off. Like, even at the very end, that felt a little force with Uber popping off to Aaron about the phone. But at the same time, it was even kind of like, yeah, because there's like some physical action. Well, and I think we have. haven't seen specifically from Uba really any kind of like aggression or like that energy at all. Like just that kind of reactive like getting activated that hasn't really been something we've seen from her yet this season.

So to me, that is the exciting part where it's like, is this a personality trait that she has that we haven't seen yet where it's like, oh, if you mess with her stuff or whatever, she can get superheated. Like that's the kind of thing where you kind of want to have like the full, you know, if you have like, if somebody has like a Pokemon card that's like all their different attributes, it's like, okay. So like if you if you take her phone for 45 minutes, she's going to flip a table. Like, good file that away. Good to know. Aaron's interesting too because Aaron, you know, whether you dislike her or like her, she does that kind of backtracky thing of, oh, I didn't know that I was going to offend you. Oh, I didn't know this. And that plays decently well on. reality because she's, I mean, she's going to continue to stick her foot in mess time. Like she and I think in a second or a third season, it's going to really turn against her in a bad way. But that's, that's a necessary character.

Right. And if her, if her whole thing is like doing something that somebody doesn't like and I'm being like, God, it was a joke. Lighten up. It's like, I do like Brin kind of being like, what's the joke? Yeah. Brin was, leave being funny to me. Like, okay.

Like, what was the joke? I missed the joke. We're not laughing. I'm curious about Jenna because Jenna, everybody was like kind of up in arms that Jenna didn't get that chair next to Andy at the reunion. Yeah. And it was Jessel and Aaron. But I totally get that because Jenna, I think, is just obviously a legend, but she has, there's an awkwardness to her that, you know, I think she's great in that second chair. I'm curious if she'll come back for another season. Yeah. I think now that they've filmed the reunion and, you know, everybody showed up. I think, It's going to be, I'm really wondering at the reunion if the experience of being out in the world like this, because they really filmed in a bubble. They announced the cast at the beginning of filming at BravoCon, but then nobody was paying attention to them while they were filming this show.

So I'm kind of hopeful that the press cycles and the attention and the seeing the confessionals and the, you know, kind of getting their feet wet a little more in the. game of house wifery will kind of activate a couple of them. It's interesting because I think sometimes that excites someone. And then sometimes like, you know, Bren had a tough time and was like, stop making memes about where I work or where I don't work. And like she seemed to really get bothered about that. And when the reality of this kind of low level fame at first hits, it probably is good. Like I think Jenna's getting complimented so much.

I think she must hopefully feel the love. A lot of people seem like they say amazing things about her. But it's interesting when somebody's not used to that. And all of a sudden they're a meme. Yeah. Good sleep is everything. That's why Ali's science back support is made with a blend of melatonin and L-thianine for both kiddos and grown-ups. So when your mind won't switch off, you've got something that can help.

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We're waiting to see what that's like. And then today we got the news that Shannon Bador was arrested for driving out of the influence and a hit and run. She clipped a house according to TMC. It's tough. We talked about it more on your show, but it's, it's... Listen, I talked to Archie earlier. Archie is unharmed. Archie's great.

I mean, the dog was with her. I mean, was the dog at a bar with her? Like, how was the dog in the car with her? and she was hammered. Yeah, we're still, so we got this initial TMZ report. We're still missing a lot of the... Do we, are we...

Is this one of those things? Because you said she didn't have to get bond, like bailed out. Yeah. Do we get a Shannon Bador mugshot? Because by the way, in the Betches offices, you guys have mugshots of all these famous reality show people. Will we get...

I don't think I could emotionally handle a Shannon Bador mugshot. I don't think Shannon Bador could emotionally handle us. Exactly. I can see, I'll see the pain. As much as, look, first of all, nobody should be driving. drunk. There's no, there's no good excuse for it. It's, you know, it's not a laughing matter to

do that, whatever. But like, I also am like, is Shannon good? Like, can somebody like go hang out at her house and make sure that she's like, you know, in a good place? Because it's tough because we've watched this season, Shannon kind of go through her and then this breakup happened. We've watched others. Remember Bronwyn's wedding nuptials, like the re-wedding and nuptials? When her and John Jansen and or their kids, they shared that hotel room. And Shannon and John kept going to the bathroom to fill their glasses up with like vodka or tequila. And I was like, these guys are part of their relationship is based on having some cocktails.

It seems like they're that type of relationship that like, hey, let's sit by the dock and have some cocktails. Ah, it's five o'clock somewhere. It seemed like that was a part of their relationship. We've seen that time and time again. Yeah, it's tough. I think other than, you know, reacting to the news itself, the biggest kind of takeaway from this has been, whereas Gina.

and can we get a camera on her ASAP because obviously her- Gina must just be doing like cartwood. But also, Gino, she'll be like, I know, I love Shannon. Like, there's no way she's going to be like, see, I told you. I did see, I saw a tweet that was like, I think this is the first time that somebody's housewife position for next season will be secured by a different person's DUI. That's so good.

But it's like, usually something happens to you and it's like, oh, we need that next season. That's so, because I really, I mean, no offense to Gina, but I thought she was on the bubble. I mean, I thought really like, yeah, because they, they threw so many storylines up against the wall this season for her with the real estate, Travis, being upset about Jen and Ryan for some reason, that triggering her. And none of those really seem to have stuck, but she's really trying this season all of a sudden. But you're right. That's what we would actually kind of be really curious to see is her reaction to Shannon after this season. Well, and I do think she, Gina is in the position where she's now been on the show long enough, where even if you don't personally have much affinity for her, she is really a part of this group over the last era of Orange County. And I think similar to Jennifer and Jackie when they joined New Jersey together, she and Emily have kind of like quietly become veteran house.

That's very, I mean, I mean, so like just being on the show makes them now organic friends when they weren't before. So there is power in that. It's interesting when you start to think about it like Saturday Night Live casting of like, which cast members are they going to keep? Like Lauren Michaels always was famous for like they waited to the last minute. And it seems like the housewives are a lot too. They don't get a lot of heads up about like if they're asked back or not. People don't know if they're demoted to friends of. It seems like really intense once you get into that ecosystem.

Yeah. And I think with having very very. on this trip the last couple weeks. The fact that Gina and Emily have been on the show long enough to have the Vicki Gunvilsen experience from season 13 and then Vicki left or got demoted first and then left. They stayed. And so now Vicki's coming back and there actually is like weirdly kind of a lot of history

between them because Vicky has been saying, you know, nasty things about them in the press and where she can over the last few years. And so it's like, it is kind of funny that all of a sudden it's like, oh,

like there's been a lot of tumult in OC the last few seasons, you know, with Kelly leaving and Bronwyn leaving and we've been through two blonde gens and a Nella and Elizabeth Vargas, I'm told,

happened once. Like, there's been a lot of turnover in OC and Gina, Emily, have like, they've weathered the storm. I mean, they have.

I mean, you were at that watch what happens live with those three last week. I mean, was it palpable in the audience when Vicky was named the Wifetime Achievement Award at BravoCon? It looked like she was like about to,

like, over the moon. Like, it looked like she needed that. She was like... Yeah, Vicky needs a win. Like, I think it's clear that she feels very, to me, insecure about her standing. Yeah.

And that there was even... There was one of the games they played with them was like, or one of the questions that they got asked was like who like who shouldn't ever come back from OC and Tamara said Gretchen which is like sure fine whatever but before Tamara answered Vicky was like you better not say me and it's like I know why did she say you like you're literally sitting right here you're like I love that even housewives have imposter syndrome about being housewives right and I think with Vicky probably prior to season 14 she probably felt

like as long as this show was on, of course she was going to be in the first chair. Yeah. And that was taken away from her. And, you know, I have to imagine that the demotion and then that was like a whole... But everything swings around.

Like it's interesting that's part of the fascination about housewives is now it's been on so long. It's like you have this kind of rocky style comeback where you picture Vicky out there in the woods training of like, da-da-da, trying to get back to that position. And it feels like such a journey that when, you know, watch what happens live, I just sensed that. It just looked like

she was tearing up and like it looked like she was surprised and like, oh my God, it finally happened. And it was the kind of thing where like after, when we got off this, I was like, congratulations. Like, she's like, thank you so much. Like it's just very like, hold me. It means a lot. And I, it is kind of the way like Tamara got asked back this season on Watch What Happens Live with an orange and an announcement and Vicky's just like popping up at lunch, surprising them in Mexico. It's like they're not on the same track and I love it when Vicky came in in that scene and everybody was like, what's up? Like Emily and G, we're like, hey, Vic, what's going on? Right. Like it doesn't, you know, I guess maybe if you're like a Vicky Stan, you feel differently because those people do exist.

But like it doesn't feel like it's this earth shattering moment that it's like the OG of the OC is back in Mexico. It's like, okay, here we can make you back. I bet. I mean, I bet they will announce her return to the cast at BravoCon. That's, I've heard that posited as. Yeah, I mean, it would be the perfect time. And I bet they probably surprise her again with it.

Like at the actual Wifetime Award ceremony. Because it seems like they keep her in the dark with a lot of things. Wouldn't it be such a flexit. He was like, I'm good, thanks. You know what? Kodos is doing really good this year. Take my wife time achievement award and ride into the sunset. On a family van.

Yeah. Unfortunately, I mean, not unfortunately, but I just don't think most housewives are wired that way. No, not at all. I mean, they will accept until they can know, I mean, like, the only thing that I get frustrated about, like, we've made, you know, these women and some of them deservedly legends. But I also want to always leave room. That's why I still support the Roney. It's like, new, there's how many amazing women are out there that we haven't met? How many people with like a little bit of screw loose, but really funny or just magnetic?

There's so many amazing women out there that we have not be, you know, so sometimes I get worried about these spots that we're like filling in with OGs when I'm like, wait, there's got to be a great person story that we can invest in that we have no clue of yet. Totally. I think, you know, casting is a, it's always like a tricky balance, but it's like, yeah. Have you ever had a casting director on of just like what they go through and like, oh, it just had that feeling, the Geneseecois. I don't talk to me. I would be so curious of like what is like, oh, I just had a feeling about it. The problem is I feel like if I got a Housewives casting director on the line, I would just be like, what about this? Have you ever thought of this?

Have you ever talked to this person? This like, D-list celebrity. They'd be like, can you shut the fuck up? I love watching Housewives casting tapes, though. You could watch those on YouTube and like it keeps, it reminds me of SNL auditions because they're trying to like put their back. foot forward, trying to say their craziest stories. And as we saw like last season, like, they use Jen Shaw's audition tape against her to put her in prison. Careful.

Careful what you wish for, ladies, if you're, uh, I know. Like she was like bragging like, oh, I have $50,000 on this, $50,000 on that. That all stuff is admissible. I know. That's crazy. Well, Ryan. Don't say it's over. Do not say it's over, Dylan.

It's over when I say it's over. It's not a good buy. It's a see you later. But thank you so much for joining me today. And congratulations. So bad it's good with Ryan Bailey, back with new episodes starting today as a Betches podcast. Go listen to the episode I did with Dylan right now. Yeah, you can listen wherever you get your mention at all and all your other great podcasts.

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