Mention It All - Sisters-in-Nah Ft. Jordana Abraham (RHONJ Reunion, Summer House Finale)

Episode Date: May 4, 2022

Dylan is joined by Jordana to break down the epic first part of the RHONJ reunion. They start by discussing the rumor that Jackie is being demoted next season, and whether it’s warranted. Next, they unpack the rift between Dolores and Jennifer, and how it might affect the whole group. And of course, they dive deep on the issues between Teresa and Melissa, and the breakthrough that maybe they’re just not meant to be close. Later, they chat about the Summer House finale, and what they’re looking forward to from the reunion Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All. A Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With Dylan Hafer. We'll go check me, both. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast.

I'm Dylan Hafer, and I am joined once again today by Jordana Abraham. Hi, Jordana. Hi, Dylan. So excited to be back after such an amazing reunion. I feel like Jersey reunions are always good, but last night, I'm really excited for part two. I'll say that. Yeah, I feel like there's. you know, they never, they know what they're doing.

They never have a bad reunion per se, but you can always tell when they show up for the reunion and there's that little extra, that spark in the air that it's like, somebody came in mad, somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed and I think we're going to be all the better for it. Totally. Everyone was coming in pretty hot. So very excited. And coming in, coming into the reunion before we even get into all of that drama, there's

been some drama on the streets, you might say. The streets are saying that Jackie Goldschneider may be demoted to a friend of for next season. Oh, wow. This isn't like official yet. I always am a little... Did they start filming? No. They're allegedly going to start filming later this month. And so they're testing some new women and like figuring out the cast. But I always take these with a grain of salt. But I'm curious what your initial reaction is to the possibility of Jackie. being demoted. I would be so surprised because I feel like she carries her weight. And people seem to like her.

I mean, maybe not on Bravo Twitter. I don't know. I haven't really been perusing that. But I don't know. I feel like she brought an interesting storyline. And I feel like, honestly, I don't think there's any bad cast member. I don't think there's any cast member that's not like that I'm like, we could do without that cast member.

Like I think they all are kind of part of a really good. group dynamic personally. I agree. I think this group is tight in the sense. Obviously, they're not all good friends with each other, but like they all have a lot of different connections between them. And it feels like the group chemistry is really solid at this point. And I, the one thing that I guess, if, if they were to demote Jackie, I do think they really

want to bring in some new life for next season, some new blood, because it's been a long time since we've had anybody that really stuck. I mean, Tracy is reportedly not getting asked back, big surprise. And so I feel like maybe by having one less current housewife, then that would kind of give them room to let in some new people. And that could be really exciting. But I agree with you that I don't think Jackie has really done anything in the last season or two to, like, lose her spot.

So I don't know. I mean, also it could be the- It could be the kind of thing where they kind of start out filming with her as a friend. And then depending on how the season goes, she could easily get bumped back up again. But I don't know. Definitely intriguing. And coming off of this reunion, I'm like, I feel like everybody really has their head in the game. Nobody seems complacent at this reunion.

And I love that. I love when nobody is like checked out. Totally. Everyone seems to have like a side and opinion. No one's just like quietly sitting there. I mean, there's so much to go into. I don't even know what you want to talk about first. So let's, yeah, let's start.

I want to start with Jennifer and Dolores because. Okay. Within the first 10, 15 minutes of this reunion, it is clear that something has happened with Jennifer and Dolores. And they are, they don't fuck with each other anymore. And it's interesting because I feel like for the last couple seasons of New Jersey, it's been pretty easy to split the cast down the middle and say, okay, well, you have Melissa, Jackie, and Margaret, and then you have Teresa, Dolores, and Jennifer. And that's kind of

the easiest way to think about it. And maybe it hasn't always been that simple. But in this reunion, all of a sudden, Jennifer and Dolores seem like they hate each other. And I'm like, this is a very interesting development. And I think it's going to impact everyone. on the cast. I don't understand what happened since the end because it looked like they were fine. And I mean, honestly, it never made sense for me that Dolores was on the Teresa side because like Dolores seems like an extremely rational person. Like she seems logical above all else and not like she doesn't, obviously she gets heated,

but it's not, she doesn't blindly take a side. And Teresa is to me so irrational that it never made sense that she was kind of on that. team just for any reason other than history. But she doesn't seem like she was like on the other side either. She's sort of like the voice of reason, a line on her own almost, like a side of her own. She should get a chair instead of a cast. She's like a free agent in this cast now, it seems like.

And she, I think, because with Jennifer, it always has felt like she's kind of doing Teresa's bidding, whereas Dolores has that longstanding bond with Teresa. but has never been willing to be kind of her lap dog or anything like that. And so now I think we're seeing, I think Dolores has likely always kind of been annoyed by Jennifer or not sort of jelled with her on a deep level. And after some of the stuff that's gone down this season and since filming ended, Dolores is like, yeah, I don't actually want to, I don't want to pretend to be like Jennifer's shoulder to cry on anymore because I don't really want to do that.

I mean, I could not believe that Teresa didn't invite her to her engagement party. That to me was like, I was like, I was so mad on, I usually don't like, I'm not like emotionally invested, really. But I was so mad on Dolores's part, like, on behalf of Dolores, like for no reason to say like I didn't invite you because we haven't double dated. Like they've been friends for 20 something years. And you would think like Teresa, of all people. would know how it felt because there were so many seasons on this show where everyone had a had a boyfriend or a husband and all the husbands were hanging out and she was alone. You would imagine she would be the first person to have some sort of compassion for someone

who wasn't like in a strong or coupled relationship. I couldn't believe that that was the reason she gave. That was like almost more angering to me than the fact that she didn't invite her. It was, that was a shocking moment. And I was glad that some of the other women at the reunion also seemed as shocked by it and that it was really strange to them. Because you could tell Dolores, I don't know if this was genuine or if she felt like she just didn't want to get into it with Teresa. But she was like, it's fine. I'm not upset.

You don't have to make it a thing when it's not a thing. But I'm like, even if you're not angry about it, it's just strange. It's weird that you're having this. Teresa is seemingly over the moon about this engagement, the wedding, about Louis in general. And like, if she's sharing that with all of these people in her life, the fact that Dolores isn't on that list, even if it's a pretty short list is just, it just feels off. Something feels weird about that. And the fact that Teresa feels so, the fact that Teresa is seemingly so comfortable with just writing it off is like, well, she's not a, she doesn't have a man that Louie knows. And it's like, that's not how life works.

Like, okay, don't give her a plus one then. But like, why can't she be there? That may, yeah, the reason didn't make any sense. I would have to imagine that it's not a real reason because it's like, oh, we're not having single people at this event. Like, who would say that? That's crazy. It actually, the, the engagement party seems like it has struck a nerve for a few people in the cast. namely also Melissa who is saying so basically it sounds like at this engagement party there were two tables She's interesting I've never heard of a two table I know I'm like I'm like how many people were there what shape were these tables But it was like it was there was like a fam a family table and a friend's table and And and louis family like louis sisters and whoever else were seated at the family table and Melissa and Joe were seated at the friends table.

And this to me is one of those things where I'm like, I don't know if it actually really matters, but I understand why Melissa and Joe would think that it's a little weird. Right. It's clearly like, it's like a snub. It's like the engagement party version of the Yolanda, you know, my A-Team thing. It's like a subtle, like little dick.

And I have to imagine Teresa knew what she was doing. But she's also, one thing about Teresa, she's not really trying to hide her feelings about them. She's saying like, you know what I mean? We're not close. You're not my pride's made. And I, you know, Louis, I'm close to Louis sisters and I'm close to Louis family. And she seems to have fully like taken.

She's definitely like put a line in the sand and said. And it's funny because weddings are such an interesting, way to do that or such a, I mean, if that's what you're looking to do, it's a great vehicle for that. It's a great vehicle for saying, and here are my six best friends. And here's the, and they're in my bridal party. And here's who's not. It's like very much like almost like a middle schoolish kind of way to show your in group, out group.

Yeah. It almost makes you wonder if you're a 50 year old person getting married, why do you even feel the need to have a whole like, these are my bridesmaids. You're not getting invited. Like, I'm so glad. you said that. I was like, it's very odd for someone who's like in their 50s, who's already divorced to have like a bridal part. It just seems a little weird to me. Girl, winter is so last season. And now Springs got you looking at pictures of tank tops with

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Copyright 2026, the Coca-Cola Company. Sprite is a registered trademark of the Coca-Cola Company. A big moment for me that I felt like didn't get discussed a lot was Teresa's talking about Joe Judeyce and how Joe and Louis are so different. And she says that she was not in love with Joe when they got married. And Melissa, and there are some faces. made on the couch when she says this. And I personally, I just think that's a wild thing to say about the father of your four

children. And Teresa is like the first person to be like, don't talk bad about Joe, because that's my daughter's father. And I don't want them to hear that. And it's like, what are they going to think when you're like, I never love your father? I was never, I was never in love with him. Like that just feels like such a, it's so, it's such an unnecessary thing to say. Like it doesn't matter at this point.

So it feels like it just feels kind of mean to me. I don't know. Well, it's almost like she's proving her love for Louis by saying that it's so much better than this other thing that she's had. Like she needs to like prove it in a way by putting down the other relationship. But also, Teresa has a impeccable way of just like feeding into whatever narrative she's decided is the case. Like whatever the narrative is in her mind, like all the evidence changes to support that

narrative and anything that doesn't support that narrative kind of gets thrown out the window. And you see that with like, you know, her talking about her ex and Louis. You see that with her talking about, she, her continuing to say that her rumor about Jackie's husband was the same as, as, um, what Margaret did to Jennifer. Like, whatever she wants to believe every, she sees all the evidence pointing in that direction. She also, when she's talking about her relationship with Louie and how great it is, she uses as an example that they have never fought. They've never had a fight. And I think I know you have feelings about this type of topic.

But it's like saying that you've never fought with your partner doesn't actually prove that you have a strong relationship. It proves that you, I don't know if it proves anything, but it suggests to me that you are not willing to go there when you have a disagreement or when you, you know, might not see the same way on something that. you would rather just like not hash it out. And that to me does not seem like an indication of like the healthy, strong relationship that Teresa thinks it is.

To me, that's quite the opposite actually of a healthy, strong relationship. Because if you've never, first of all, I would never marry anyone I didn't fight with because I wouldn't want to find out what their fighting style was after I was already married to them. Because the idea that you would never,

ever fight with someone is totally crazy. That just means you're not, no, someone is holding one or two people are holding things in because there's no such thing is conflict never arising. And that's true of any good, happy relationship. So one, I don't believe her because there was definitely some weird tension when she was like talking and Louis was like, I'm going to leave. Like I've considered that almost like not a fight, but like indicative of the fighting style that they had or like the disagreement style that they had,

which is basically him shutting her down. So maybe that's how they didn't fight. And just too, like again, if you're never fighting, it means something. someone is not saying their feelings and you're just trying to like agree with each other to keep the peace and you haven't gotten to that level of like intimacy in a relationship where you can actually share something that's bothering you. Yeah. I again, I feel like I've said in the past this season, it's like, I want nothing but the best for Teresa. I hope she's super happy with Louie. But the way that she's showing us or telling us how happy she is is like setting off all of these alarm bells. and I wish that she could be a little more self-aware about that,

that it's like, you telling me a hundred times that you're in love and you've never fought isn't doing what you think it's doing. Right. For anyone who has like a nuanced sense of how relationship works, that's not proving anything to anyone. She also still has this really antiquated idea that we've seen on this show in the past of how certain things are like the wife's fault or the wife's. problem and she says the wife controls everything. And we go back, we're talking about Joe and Melissa,

of course. And it's revealed to us that, so Melissa says that Teresa was a bridesmaid in her wedding. And she's like, well, yeah, like it was a long time ago. And I was pregnant. And Teresa seems to be angry at Melissa still, to this day, for not moving her wedding date so that Teresa would not be pregnant at the wedding. And this, I, I just, I don't even know, like, my brain is like breaking with that information. That was one of the funniest things that I've ever seen on a reunion. And she was like still or mad at all, but like, and you, you see this in weddings when people

are like, you know what I mean? Like, couldn't you wait to have, like, oh, you can't come on my bachelorette, whatever. Like, you see this a little bit. Also, how long have they been married? What, like close to 20 years, I assume? Close to 20 years because Antonio is 16. Yeah. Right. So somewhere on the on the side between 15 and 20 years, just to me that she's still thinking about it.

It just goes to show you, Teresa does not forget a single thing. A single wrong she thinks is done against her, not that that's a wrong. But it's just so funny that it's just like, it really shows her narcissism to me that she thought Melissa should change her. A cool sister-in-law would change the wedding date to be after Teresa gave birth. And that so much of this hinges on Melissa not being a good sister-in-law when it really feels like Teresa has, it definitely feels like Joe Gorga wishes he had a better relationship with his sister. And I think that Teresa almost like deflects some of the issues with her and Joe onto Melissa. And I think that's, I feel for Melissa because I think she, she sort of feels like she can't do anything right. And she's always the one being kind of put in the middle of these problems. And it's like, first of all, like, when Teresa's like, okay, how can you defend that? And she's like, well, I don't, you know, like there's just no right answer, I think. Yeah.

Oh my God. Show them, Andy. Show them how I defend Melissa. That was, that was a moment. I was shocked that Teresa couldn't come up with one thing. And it's like, it's like, do you not prepare for this? Do you not think this is going to be brought up? I know.

I mean, to me, what you just said is also just the running theme of if the show had an arc, that would be the arc to me. It's like a sister-in-law and two sister-in-laws who basically, like, if you think back on this whole show, there's never really been a time when the two of them have gotten along super well or been really close or been really good friends. They've been like closer or they've seemingly not at war with each other. But here the thing is about them and even really with Joe and Teresa is that they don't really like each other. Like they're not this. They're very different people. And that's kind of the thing you think about like just interpersonal relationships in general.

Like sometimes someone's in your family that you just don't get along with. And that's like kind of okay. Like just because you happen to be blood doesn't mean you have to be close. You're different people. Doesn't necessarily mean like one person is bad and one person is good. But like that's something in this family that no one ever seems to be like bringing up is like you're just not that close. Like it just is what it is. Yeah. And I think for for all of the things that Teresa said in this reunion part that made me, you know, want to like steam pop out of my ears.

I do appreciate a little bit that it seems like she is really done with the sort of facade of Melissa and her sort of like always trying to be close and like trying to dispel the idea that they don't like each other. They don't get along. It feels like some sort of damn has burst in this relationship where finally at this reunion, they're both sort of content to be like, yeah, we're not close. We don't hang out. I don't really, we're not, that's not our relationship. But I think they're, they're dealing with it in sort of different ways. And I think Teresa's way of dealing with it is just sort of saying whatever pops into her head and really like hurting people's feelings along the way. Whereas I think

Melissa is a little bit more, I think she's trying a little bit harder. not to hurt people's feelings. She's trying to sort of accept her. You can see that through this whole season. She's trying to accept her where she's at. This is who she is. This is how she apologizes. Like, I'm not going to, and it's a long, it's a uphill battle to try to change someone who's

very set in their ways. Like, and that's kind of, I feel like where they should take this relationship is, and I agree with Teresa in that sense, although again, I think she's going a little below the belt in an effort to show that like she's right when really both of them should be like, yeah, we don't get a little. along. I happen to be married to her brother and I'll respect her for that reason. I'm not going to like try to change them. It's sort of what Melissa was doing. And I'm not going to get mad at them whenever they don't defend me because we're not, we don't really have a close bond. So like everyone,

it's kind of I had I said a few weeks ago. It's like you either have to defend each other all the time or you just agree that you'll just be on the side of whoever's right and we were not going to do this blind loyalty thing, which I think they would both benefit from. And then they could be in the group that really makes sense for them, not like this artificial group because they're a family. Right. And if we're acknowledging that they're not close, that they don't have this, you know, sister bond, then for Melissa to be expected to like disavow Margaret as a friend because Teresa's not getting along with her, it doesn't make sense for Melissa to do that because she would be losing an actual good friend in Margaret and gaining,

I guess an ounce of trust with the sister-in-law that she isn't close with. So it's like... Right. And they won't be close ever because they're just not, they bury different personalities. Right. If they were ever going to get to a place of being like genuinely close

or like genuinely affectionate toward each other, it would have happened sometime in the last 20 years. You would imagine. There's not this like magic scenario that's going to present it where all of a sudden, Melissa and Teresa just click with each other. That isn't happening. It's never happened. And I think this reunion feels like kind of maybe a turning point where if they both

stay on the show, maybe they'll butt heads sometimes, but that the main storyline doesn't need to be, oh, we're trying this year to get to a better place. because, you know, maybe you're just not meant to, not meant to be. Right. And I think that could be the case and they could both be happy with it. It's just, it's just very interesting, I think, to see them. Like, every season they try to make it work and it doesn't work. And I think they would, the only thing they have in common is their love for being famous and on the show.

Like, if they didn't have this show, they probably wouldn't be an issue because they wouldn't speak that much and it would be like, fine. Right. They'd see each other at Christmas and Easter. And then Joe and Melissa would leave to go to Kathy's house. Oh, my God. I can't believe they were. It was, I was kind of great having watched. I was never so happy to have watched from the beginning because it feels like, oh, I'm like in. I know, I know exactly every reference they're talking about, you know.

Well, and when Teresa's, when their, Teresa brings up, well, look at how they came on the show. You know, they came on, they came on my show. And then Melissa became friends with Jacqueline and Caroline. And even Andy's like, absolutely not. We're not doing this right now. Jacqueline's here. It's like, let's bring out Jacqueline. But it's like, at this point, it's like, we don't even want to go back to Jackie's

analogy last season. We're certainly not going back to the christening 10 years ago. Yeah. And I do think that like, I agree like Melissa should not, like, Teresa should not care. Then Melissa is defending Margaret. And in that same vein. I think that Melissa should let go of like the Jennifer thing. Like, fine.

She didn't defend you to Jennifer. Like they have a more similar personality. They get along better. Like, I don't think either of them should be demanding that either of them stick up for them. They should go based on what they believe is right and wrong. Right. It's like when you're when you're trying to like share toys with somebody that you don't really get along with, it's like, okay, fine. Like Melissa, you get to play with Margaret and Teresa, you get to play with Jennifer.

and we're just going to go our separate ways. Agreed. Yeah. I mean, I think they'd be happier that way. The show might be weirder because they would just be like segmented off. But, you know. I want to talk about the use of the term bitch boy, which is really being thrown around a lot here. Joe Gorga gets brought out. I love that Joe gets like a solo man segment. Like they're not bringing out the husbands.

They're bringing out Joe. And that is honestly necessary. I just feel, okay, I don't know how I feel about the term bitch boy. I don't know that I really feel strongly about it. I'm kind of like whatever. I mean, I don't like it, but like I'm not like. I do think it's a little bit funny to me for Teresa to act as if she wouldn't have a problem with somebody hurling that at Louis. That to me is a little bit, it's a little bit unrealistic.

That's what I'm saying about the narrative. Like the narrative that she goes with just feeds into whatever the point she's trying to make. Also, like, I think just bringing back the Dolores not being invited thing, like, if Dolores got engaged and didn't invite her to something, she would freak out. Like, it would never be okay. Like, do you know what I mean? Like if someone called Louis a bitch boy, she would freak out, but that's not the narrative, the point she's trying to prove. So she's not going to say that. To me, Joe got so upset.

and this is me speculating is because I'm sure online he gets a lot of feedback about him being very involved as he has but he's you know he's the seventh housewife he's been like and I'm sure he has like weird internalized feelings about that because he's all about trying to be like this man who's like a strong man and like he's very like tied to his masculinity and like his penis um he to me right yeah like that's been his thing and I think that like when she was like I don't like that you get involved in all the women's things. And I think that probably hit something he's a little insecure about. Like, how does his like manly man persona play into this idea that he's like very involved

in the female drama? Yeah. And I think then also there's a weird dynamic there because with Louis coming on the show this season and at the beginning of this in the first half, we talked about this last week, that Teresa in on the shore trip was like that he didn't. sign up for this. He's not involved. But then as the season goes on, obviously he has signed up for this. He is on the show. He's coming to the reunion. He brought the scroll. Right. He's fully around on the show that it's like Teresa is really critical of how her brother sort of gets involved. But then

Andy's like, well, I mean, Louis here. We're bringing him out in like 30 minutes. So you can't just like, I mean, it's one thing. It's one thing. It's one thing. It's one thing. thing to criticize like a specific thing that Joe is commenting on, but the idea, I always think it's a little weird, the idea on these shows of like men shouldn't get involved in women's business. And it's like, I mean, in some scenarios, I think that's fair, but also I think in the context of the show that clearly all of these men are actively participating in, the lines are going to get blurry. And like we see Jennifer, Jennifer and Joe are like yelling back and forth on the couch. I do kind of love the way that Jennifer just is like gleefully going at Joe Gorga.

Like she, she's having so much fun on that couch. And I really appreciate her reunion persona because it's just, she just likes being messy. And I think it's one of those things where it's like, it goes both ways. Everybody's involved with each other. You've all known each other for a long time. I think I just want to see, I want to see like everything being discussed. I don't care if it's like a man talking to a woman talking to this way. Like it doesn't matter to me. Yeah. I mean, I'm fine with that too. I also think Joe brings something really interesting to the table. Again, you have that dynamic of like the family dynamic. And so I'm into Joe. And he does. And honestly, like Jennifer did come after him too. So it's not like it was completely like it was just,

he's only defending Melissa, like he is defending himself. Right. Yeah. No, I think, I think Joe, uh, Joe gets more than his fair share of, of direct attacks. And I, I don't have a problem with him responding to any of those. Um, yeah, I don't know. I thought this, this first part of the reunion was so banger there. Yeah.

They, you know, can't wait for next. Is it three parts or two parts? It is three parts. Great. Okay. You know, we always, I'm always. a little apprehensive about three-part reunions, but considering their first part was so strong, I'll allow it.

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Honestly, I was a little underwhelmed by it. I didn't feel like there was like a ton that happened. It was kind of like, I'm much more excited for the reunion to where they like get into all of this stuff. But I feel like, you know, the one thing, the wedding happened. It was, it looked beautiful. And like, I guess it's good that they went through it. I guess they had that COVID thing, which sort of like mixed things up.

But to me, it was like, I was like, oh, this is great. They got COVID before. the wedding. Like to me, it would have been a crisis if they had gotten COVID and the wedding was within 10 days of them getting COVID. So I didn't really understand why that was such a big deal. I guess they had a lot of things to do. But yeah, I think in general, they were just kind of very last minute with a lot of things about their wedding. So I'm sure they had left themselves a nice long to-do list during those last two weeks. But yeah, the wedding was nice. It was, I was glad to see everyone there.

Honestly, the most interesting conversation, I think, that happened on this finale was Danielle and Robert talking about moving to Charleston. And Danielle, I, it's always, I don't know, when couples are having conversations like this on these shows, I always wonder kind of what we're not seeing off camera. And when Danielle is like saying that she has questions about moving to Charleston because she's literally never been there, I'm like, yeah, that's. Why don't you go visit? Extremely valid.

But then by the end of the conversation, she's like, okay, yeah, I will. I will go. And it's like it felt like we needed, they needed to have like one last conversation about this to like tie up the storyline. And it's like, wait, what's happening with this? Are they in Charleston? Like, what are we doing? Totally.

And I assume for this kind of thing, it's like they discussed off camera what their solution is. And then they're like, okay, we're going to like bring it up on camera, close the loop. and like this is going to be like our public version of it. But I'm sure there was a lot more back and forth behind the scenes. And she was like, I have some stipulations. And the stipulations which she could come back and see Lindsay. Like I assume the real stipulation is that they get engaged soon.

Like that's what I would imagine the reals. Right? Right. Like it just seems like if you're somebody in your 30s in real life, the stipulations would be like, okay, I want this commitment from you. Right. This is how things are going to be financially. like X, Y, Z, like, life things.

And you're like, well, I want to see my bestie at least twice, at least like once every other month. She could go home as much as she wants. I mean, like, that to me was like obvious. Right. And you'll never go back to New York. Right. He's not like putting her in a dungeon in Charleston.

Like, she's just, she's just going to be like hanging out there. I'm sure she doesn't want to like say it and put it out there and like jinx it or sound like Lindsay with her crazy timelines. But to me, that was kind of. what was implied in I have my conditions or whatever. Yeah. I'm very curious for this reunion to see sort of what's going on with Lindsay and Carl because we see in the trailer this inkling that others in the cast are not that

thrilled about their relationship or maybe don't buy it completely. And by the finale, they're not really in a relationship or anything. Like they're sort of just like dancing around it. Carl really wants to wait for his one year sobriety to jump into a relationship, which I totally respect. But I'm sort of like, what has happened in these last few months to make people in the cast feel this way about their relationship? Yeah. And that's definitely what I'm interested in seeing there. Because like, it did seem a little, I don't want to say random. Because like, they are very close and have been very good friends. In some ways, it makes sense.

to me. And in some ways, I'm like, are we being like made to feel a certain way? I don't know. Do you know what I mean? Like, I could see it kind of both ways. Yeah. I think anytime anytime a couple forms of two people that have been on the same show like this for multiple seasons, the natural inclination is to be like, okay, is this is this real? Is it kind of a real? Is it just a storyline? Like, are they both? in on it type of thing. Like it's sort of similar on this season of selling sunset to Crischel dating Jason. And you're like, okay, so this was very neatly. Like the fact that they went public on the season premiere and then broke up on the season finale feels a little bit too neat. Right. But like with Lindsay and Carl, it feels a little bit more blurry because it's like we

know they've been attracted to each other in the past. It really does feel like they have this genuine friendship bond with each other. Exactly. So like I've never been since they came out as a couple earlier this year, I've never really had any issue just believing it. But if the rest of the cast or some of the rest of the cast are a little skeptical, then that would kind of, that would might make me look at it a different way. Because because I'm like somebody like Amanda or Paige, I know Paige just like kind of hates Lindsay. So maybe she's not an unbiased. biased opinion. But like, if those people are questioning this relationship or don't feel like we're getting the full story, then I want to do a little more digging. Yeah, I'm sure there's some other weird stuff that we don't know about. I'm excited to see how much of it is spilled on the reunion. I think the reunion would be really interesting. I also thought it was really funny that Kyle was like, we had so much to do in the last five days that we just didn't even

get to the pre-up. So like that solved that problem. You were, uh, yeah, That was a very convenient after we've said for several weeks that this seemed like a fake story. It's just so funny that like, oh, that's how we approach major financial decisions about like our future and our life. Like, you know, we just had to cut some stuff because we had COVID and the thing that determines our financial security for the rest of our life. Just no, we just didn't have time. And he's like, maybe we'll get to it later. And it's like, I know you can make a, you can draw up a contract at. time, but like, get to it later is famously not how a pre-nup works. Right. I guess they could do a

post-nup or something. But, like, to me, again, very scripted, could be, like you said, convenient storyline ender for that thing. They did, however, find a florist two weeks before the wedding. I was, I was relieved to see that. The flowers looked good. They, you know. Yeah. The wedding looked beautiful. She looked great. And, um, you know, I'm always surprised by how, how, like, you know, how vows are sort of made to seem like everything was so smooth. I love that we see a little bit of her vow writing process, which is like Googling what should be in vows. And then they like, Paige is like,

oh, I heard my friend say something at her wedding. Let me call her. The little things. The little things. Let me call Craig and see what she said. And then they're like, oh, we must have Googled the same thing. It's like, wow, so romantic. I know.

Very, very genuine feel. that whole edit for them. I did relate a little bit. I, I officiated my sister's wedding back in 2019. And it was like a very, it was like not a religious ceremony or anything. So I was like,

okay, like, what do you want? What do you want in the ceremony? And they were like, whatever. And so I was like, definitely did some Googling of like wedding ceremony. template.

No, I can imagine that. I mean, it was interesting also like Kyle, not Kyle. Carl was officiating. They had their timelines a little bit. Again, I think that was the thing where they asked him on camera,

but they had already asked him before because he was like, it was like three weeks before and they show them asking him. But then he was like, oh, I got ordained like a few months ago or something like that or at least four weeks ago or something like that. Yeah. Getting ordained is very easy, but you do have to like have it done at a certain point so you can be like certified to whatever.

Yeah, that was fake. which is, again, not the biggest deal. Fine. And yeah, it was, it was nice. It looked like a beautiful day. And we got a little 10 second teaser of Winter House, which we knew was going to be coming back. But exciting, I guess. Winterhouse last year didn't come out until like October. So if they're following a similar timeline, then we've got a long time to wait. But whatever, I guess we'll, we'll see. I feel like they'll probably go a little earlier if I had to guess. But I guess you're right. We'll see. Yeah, we'll see. And whenever Southern Charm comes out, we'll get more of a look at Paige and Craig for better or for worse. Is she going to be on Southern Charm? I believe so. I don't know if she's like in the cast, but she's definitely going to be around a little bit. She's she's been in Charleston a lot like with the with the group. So we'll see. We'll see. We'll see.

I'm very excited for this reunion. And next week's reunion. Reunions are the best. I know. So we are going to be back next week and we will have a double reunion discussion because we're going to have Jersey. and Summerhouse both happening. I'm excited for that. Jordana, before we go, you have a new podcast that I want you to talk about. Oh, thank you. Yes.

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