Mention It All - Snowflakes On A Plane (RHOSLC, RHOP)

Episode Date: November 14, 2025

Before heading off to BravoCon, Dylan is back for another whackadoodle-time journey through this week’s Bravo news. First up, he discusses a viral clip from Special Forces: World’s Toughest Test, which makes it clear that Gia Giudice didn’t fall far from the tree. Then, he locks in for an important RHOSLC recap, because we need to figure out WTF happened on the flight from hell. Are Meredith and Lisa lying about bullying Britani? Could Mary hear all the way from her seat? And most importantly, which movies did Meredith watch on the flight? Much to unpack. Later, he covers RHOP’s last day in Nevis, which features another confusing crashout from one of the newbies. Go to the BravoByBetches YouTube page to watch full length episodes every Tuesday: Youtube.com/@BravoByBetches Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast And it is BravoCon weekend It's finally here I am recording this a little early this week Before I jet off to the desert The desert to spend some time with some Bravo Lebs and some of my favorite, you know, friends and creators in the Bravo community and hopefully some of you. If you're listening to this and you're at BravoCon, put the headphones

away and go look around and enjoy yourself. If you're going to be a BravoCon this weekend and you happen to see me, please come say hi. I love meeting all of you. And if you are at home and you're not going to BravoCon, first of all, enjoy your relaxing weekend. Enjoy sleeping in a comfortable bed and not breathing in casino air for four days and your skin not being dry because you're not in the desert, unless you also live in a desert. I don't know. Whether or not you are at BravoCon this weekend, I hope everybody is doing well. I can't wait to talk about everything that does happen at BravoCon next week on the show. So make sure you're subscribed. Subscribe to our YouTube channel at Bravo by Betches. Of course, we had our really exciting episode with Kathy Griffin out earlier this week. So if you haven't checked out that one. It's out now. Coming up next week, we have one of our Potomac ladies that's going to be on the show. So make sure you're subscribed and stick around for more great content. But without further ado, let's get into it today. We're going to talk about Potomac. We're going to talk about Salt Lake City. We're in freaky-diki land with Salt Lake City this week. We're going to skip

OC for today. Like I said, I'm recording a little early. So we will catch up with the last two parts of the reunion next week when I'm back. also we're going to have a new season of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. They keep dropping all the episodes at once. And I just, it's a lot to work through. It's a lot to balance. So probably next week we will talk about maybe the first, maybe the first half of the Secret Lives season. And then maybe we'll, you know, catch up over the next couple weeks. Because I don't know if I'm going to get to all 10 episodes by next Thursday or Friday. And I don't know if you're going to get to all 10 episodes by next Thursday or Friday because you guys have lives. But yeah, that's kind of what's on

the docket. Of course, also next week we have Southern Charm coming back already. I feel like their new season is kind of flying under the radar for now, but I'm still very excited to watch it. We've got Beverly Hills coming soon. We've got Vanderpump rules coming soon. It's going to be a busy time. And so make sure that you are strapped in. Make sure that you have a beverage. make sure I feel like I feel like I'm slipping into talking like Stacey and I didn't even mean to do it. You guys put on your comfy shoes,

maybe get a little romper, a little comfy romper. How cute is that? Okay, I gotta stop. I gotta stop before I go too deep. Because before we get into our housewives shows for today, a clip came across my feed.

And when a clip comes across your feed, And sometimes it can be so, it can stop you in your tracks. And this is what happened to me because a clip came across my feed from this season of Special Forces World's Toughest Test. Now, I do not watch this show. I never have. I don't intend to start any time in the future. This is a show that I largely feel like is none of my business. I don't need to spend an hour watching JoJo Siwa Carrey Tom Sandoval on her.

shoulders. I don't need to watch Brittany Cartwright crashing out in the desert after an hour and being like, I gotta go home and I was out because Jacks is going to say hot file. That's not what I'm here for. I don't care. I don't care. But this season, interestingly, in addition to Britney crash out cartwright, we also had Teresa and Gia both competing on this season of Special Forces World's Toughest Test. I love saying the full name of this show because it's like such a mouthful. But this season has been on since September. We're seven episodes in. They're down to like the final six people.

And Teresa did voluntarily withdraw on episode two, which I hadn't even realized. It is crazy to see when you look at like on Wikipedia, I'm looking at the list, the cast list for this season. And it says who all the people are, what they're known for. And then their status on the, the, the. hand side of the screen. And so for the top six, which spoiler alert still includes GioJudice, which is why we're talking about this. I'll get to it in a second. It still says participating. Great. They're doing great. And then for everybody else who's been eliminated, which I didn't realize there were 18 people on this season, that's more than a basketball team.

That's a lot of people. They list out the order that they've left the show and why. And so for Brittany, she was number one, voluntarily withdrawn. For Teresa, number two, voluntarily withdrawn. Now, I don't know if everybody voluntarily withdraws, like, under duress, or whether they just are, like, I'm bored. And then we have,

I'm just reading down the list. Eva Marcell, also a housewife, disqualified. Jesse Smollett, remember him, medically withdrawn. And then we have the next, I'm just listing, going up the list, voluntarily withdrawn, voluntarily withdrawn, voluntarily withdrawn, disqualified, medically withdrawn, voluntarily withdrawn, medically withdrawn,

and then most recently, Mark Estes, Estes, medically withdrawn. What is going on on this show? And I don't want to watch it. Don't slide into my DMs and be like, you have to watch Special Forces World's Toughest Test. It's not going to happen. I have 10 episodes of Mormon wives heating up my DVR to get to. But this, I mean, there are four people medically withdrawn. Is that normal? I'm looking last season. There were five medical withdrawals. This is intense. This is crazy. But anyway, I'm not here to talk about the tests themselves, the world's toughest tests. I want to talk about this scene between Gia Judice and Brianna La Paglia, who is perhaps better known as Brianna Chicken Fry. She is, you know, she was on bar stool.

She was dating Zach Bryan. She had like a falling out. with what's his name, Dave Portnoy. Brianna, like, I don't have much in an opinion of her. She's just kind of like a girl, a woman, just a girlie. But she and Gia have apparently formed a nice little bond on this season of Special Forces World's Toughest Test. And this clip came across my feed of Gia and Brianna sitting in the back of like a Jeep or something.

And it seems like they're kind of like on their way from one place. to the next. Like, they're not, like, in the middle of a challenge, I don't think. And Gia just goes, so I'm still, like, a little confused about the geography. So we're, we're in Africa. And that's a continent? Bree, to her credit, is treating Gia with the gentlest kid gloves. The, the most supportive you know, we listen and we don't judge energy. She says, yeah, it's a continent. So then, and Gia's like, so then, but we're in Morocco, which is a country. Uh-huh. But, but, but, but it's a country in Africa, which is a continent. Uh-huh. You guys. Oh, Africa. The idea that

Giajude is on TV. having the concept of Africa, not even of Africa, the concept of a continent or a country being explained to her by Brianna Chicken Fry is just, and then it gets worse. Because she goes, so like, but also, but so like Morocco in Africa, like animals? And Brie is like a like a Gia interpreter because she goes, she was like, so to Morocco. You would go to Morocco to get to like the Sahara. And she's like, yeah, but yeah, you're like, yeah. But the Sahara is really big, so it's more than just the one country. And she's like, okay, okay. So then like animals?

Animals. There's animals everywhere. There's like, you know, you could have a mouse in your apartment. Animals. And she's like, right. But like, like when you go on like a safari, Morocco is not really like the part of Africa that you would want to go to. Because Bree's like, yeah, I've had friends that have gone on Safari multiple times and it's more like, you know, like Johannesburg.

And she's like, like Kenya. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, like Kenya or like, like Botswana. Oh, oh, I've heard of. Yeah, that sounds right. And then they're talking about how, oh, because we're close to Europe right now. Because Morocco's like north, northern.

it goes on for such a long time. And I, look, I support anyone who wants to learn. Anyone who wants to broaden their horizons and know things about the world. That's awesome. But like, Africa? This is just so crazy to me. And I know, I mean, I know you're all shouting into your phones right now. She's Teresa's daughter.

She's Teresa. Teresa doesn't fucking know. Morocco is. Teresa knows Italy. She knows probably like Mexico, the beach parts, Jamaica, Bahamas, maybe Puerto Rico, and New Jersey. She knows, she knows like L.A., Vegas, Miami. She doesn't know. Teresa's never heard of Botswana. Teresa's never heard of a lot of places. And not, either has Gia. And I think that, you know, that's, that's okay. We listen and we don't judge. But like, oh my God. Do I need to watch Special Forces World's Tough Assess? No, I don't. No, I don't. No, I don't. Don't answer that. That is a rhetorical question that I answered because the answer is no. I can't take that on.

And I won't. In fact, I refuse. But that clip, that clip, oh my God, it just sent me. It's, I don't know where it sent me. It sent me over the edge. But now, hopefully, Gia knows about continents and countries. It's very reminiscent of some clips that have gone viral from Love Island, UK, where there was a girl who was like, so is Essex a county or a country? And they're like, yeah, babe, so that's a county. And she's like, so then we're England? And it's like, what are we doing? What are we doing? What are we doing? And then there was also one of my favorite clips from Love Island, UK, was when they were talking about Brexit. She goes, what do you know? What'd you think about Brexit? She's like, oh, like, what's that? Oh, we're like leaving Europe. And it's like, oh, well, like, we're still,

we're still like in Europe. We're just not in the EU, the European Union. So it might be hard to get to go on holiday. Oh, my God. I love my holidays. No. Oh, like the only impact of Brexit being that it's harder to go to, like, Marbeia. I mean, that's tough. So good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now and up to 60% off. Stock up and save on the brands you love like Vince, Sam Edelman, Frame, and Free People. Join the Nordi Club to unlock exclusive discounts, shop new arrivals first, and more. Plus, buy online and pick up at your favorite rack store for free.

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The ladies are still on the yacht. It's the last morning. Captain Jason is teaching yoga on the deck. So all the ladies are tapped in for that, except Meredith and Lisa, who are chit-chatting in bed. And, you know, Brittany tells Heather that she's feeling sunburnt and whiplashed because of the way Meredith spoke to her the night before. Well, Meredith is telling Lisa that Brittany has discussed. and thinks she's a Disney princess, and she says, you know what, she has the brain aptitude of one. I think that Snow White actually might be pretty smart, though.

She can talk to birds. That's like, I mean, I'm not bilingual, not really. I think that's cool. Then when Meredith goes, who's the character and the wizard of us, the one that's not smart? And Lisa's like, oh yeah, that's in man. Oh, yeah, like, if I only had a brain. Yeah, the tin man. She's like the tin man. You guys, that's the scarecrow. The tin man famously doesn't have a say it with me class. Heart. God, I love these. I mean, they are just, they will butcher a metaphor. They will, you know, misremember Wizard of Oz characters. Later in this episode, um, Britney, Britney says, I keep saying I'm the unsinkable rubber ducky, but I feel really broken right now. Just these ladies are just saying anything. And I, I love it. But Brittany really feels like Meredith reacted out of proportion the night before

when she brought up a rumor that Meredith's husband was cheating on her. Heather is, I do appreciate Heather in this moment. Heather is really stuck in the middle of this episode because later she's like really trying to be Team Brittany. But right now she's like, girl, I mean, you accused her husband of having a mistress based on a TikTok. Was she supposed to like not be pissed off? Brittany is kind of sticking to the story that she was trying to, like, do something kind for Meredith by bringing it up. That, I feel like at this point, 20 years into the great Real Housewives experiment, like, it just doesn't really ring true to say that you were doing somewhat a favor by bringing up a really, like, nasty rumor about their marriage on camera. Like, that's just never the way it's going to be interpreted. And I would say no matter what your intentions are, but I just don't believe the intentions were that.

kind. But Meredith, she is taking it a little far. She and Bronwyn, they put on inflatable shark and lobster costumes and throw Britney's unicorn overboard, you know, the unicorn with Jared Husband's voice inside of it. This is, okay, did I laugh? Yes. Is it also childish and a little diabolical? Yeah. Yes. What I wish we saw, though, was when the ladies are leaving the yacht. They're on the dock and it's like, oh, like, you know, things for the hospitality. Here's your tip envelope. By the way, I want to know what the tip was. I guess we have to wait, what, like four months to see that on below deck down under? I'm sure it was a nice tip. Bravo probably subsidized it, but all of a sudden on the dock days, he's like, oh, Brittany, I found your unicorn.

And she's like, why is it wet? Why is it wet? And it was in the water. And I, why did, why do you? Why did we not see somebody finding the unicorn in the water and fishing it out, that makes me think, and I don't love this, that makes me think that production got the unicorn. That they were like, okay, go in the dingy and get the unicorn so that then we can have a moment and it can be wet, and Brittany can find out. And like, I guess that is good payoff, but also I'm like, don't interfere. Let it happen on its own. but yeah, Meredith is like sitting at breakfast in her captain's hat. She says Britney's filled with hatred, but her bigger issue is with Whitney because, you know, Britney's a little pea brain, but, you know,

Whitney is her friend. And Whitney says that she gave Britney three options. Either never talk about this rumor again, tell Meredith right now, or I'll tell Meredith, and then you'll look messy. And so, you know, Brittany told Meredith and I guess it is what it is. But Meredith kind of is, escalating into a more intense place. Because I think that last week's episode, and maybe the petty stuff with the unicorn or whatever, is like on some scale of understandable. Because, yeah, Brittany brought up a rumor about her husband cheating on her. But when we get to the point where Meredith is giving an ultimatum that she will drop anyone who is good with Britney, this is where we get into the territory. of like, A, it's not fun to watch because we need all the women to interact with each other.

And B, as a cast member on this ensemble, what do you think is going to happen? Because while Brittany is not somebody who is maybe beloved by many of the women in this group, I don't think that her bringing up this rumor is rising to the level of something unforgivable that nobody will choose her side. in. And Meredith kind of putting herself out there with this ultimatum is ultimately just making her look really harsh. And this does not improve because we get this like ominous music. It's like somebody has died. And no, nobody has died. But something, something kind of, stranger, let's say, has happened. Because it turns out that on this flight home, Meredith was sitting behind Brittany. And the whole time we hear from everybody in the group. Bronwyn wasn't on the

flight, but other than that, we hear from everybody in the group that basically Meredith spent a major proportion of this flight basically taunting Brittany from behind, harassing Britney from behind. Brittany says her hair was being pulled. Britney says that, you know, her seat was being, you know, messed with, that she was, you know, being heckled by Meredith and Lisa who were sitting next to each other, that you better pull up the TikTok, you better, you better, you better, you better, you show it. And this is like, it's like we're watching a psychological thriller. Because there is apparently just no footage from on the plane. And I really wonder, like, why is there no footage from on the plane?

who did this to us? Why is there no footage from on the plane? Because this becomes, for the rest of the episode, the thing in question. We see Lisa and Heather talking about it. We see Mary and Meredith talking about it. We see Heather and Brittany talking about it. We see Bronwyn and Mary talking about it. The talk of the town, Bronnan and Whitney meet up. You know, it's a whole thing talking about what has. happened on the plane, and we do not get one frame of footage of what happened on the plane. And so I don't, it makes it really hard to kind of like orient yourself within what's being said and what's being talked about because Lisa and Meredith's story of what happened on the plane is so fundamentally different from Heather, Brittany, Mary, Whitney, and a little bit Angie. Angie's kind of less central in this, but all of the other women seem very aligned on what was happening on the plane. And Lisa and Meredith are diametrical opposites to that. And we see the seating chart. I did like, they showed us the seating chart. I would have preferred some footage.

But so, Brittany is in the aisle seat in row four. Lisa is on the aisle seat in row five. So Lisa is directly behind Brittany. And then Meredith is next to Britney, next to Lisa in the window seat. Heather is across the aisle from Lisa. Whitney's right in front of Heather. Mary is next to Whitney, and Angie's in front of Whitney. Now, if you couldn't just follow along with that, rewind, get out a piece of paper, write it down. It feels important. But essentially, essentially they're all sitting really close to each other on this plane. So if it rose to the level that we are hearing it did from some of the women in this group, it should not have been like a mystery that something was up. And Meredith's whole thing is like, if I was doing,

an ounce of what they say I was doing. There would have been an air marshal to escort me off the plane. I'm like, I don't know if that's true. I, I mean, knock on wood. I have never been on a flight that had an air marshal come to escort anybody off. And I have seen some shit on a plane. I don't think that they have like an air marshal at every gate just like waiting to be told that a housewife is bullying another housewife, bullying a friend of even. It's not even housewife on housewife crime. And I have to say, the fact that it's not even housewife on housewife crime makes it really feel like bullying. Because Brittany is like, Meredith is punching down. But anyway, I do wonder, if Brittany had not gotten in so much trouble for filming the women on the bus in Mexico last season,

would she or somebody else have filmed some of what was happening on the plane? because now, now we have this domino effect where it feels like everybody is more aware of the idea of filming during filming and that not being okay. And I feel like in the past, Heather could have filmed, Whitney could have filmed, Angie would have had a good angle if she sort of turned herself backwards based on the seating chart. Mary would have been a little far away to film. You know, she was on the far aisle seat or the far window seat from Meredith. So she had a little bit of a tougher angle. But one thing that I think is really telling about this is the fact that everybody's story besides Meredith and Lisa's lines up. Because I could see Heather, Brittany, Whitney, Angie.

I could see them kind of aligning on the story. I don't think that they're lying, but I could see them sort of being like, that was crazy. She pulled your hair? Okay. Yeah, she pulled your hair. I'll bring that up. I can't really imagine Mary Cosby deciding to get on board with any kind of made-up story about what happened to Brittany on the plane.

Because first of all, I don't think Mary gives a shit about Britney that much. You know, they're in a better place this season than they were last year. but like, is that saying much? And also, I just don't think that, I think that Mary marches to the beat of her own drum within this group, enough that I don't think if Brittany and Heather went to her and said, hey, okay, so we need to all be on, we need to get our story straight to make Meredith and Lisa look bad. I don't think that Mary would have gone along with that. I think she would have said, I don't need to go with your narrative.

I know what happened. I'm good with myself. I'm a woman of God. I don't need to lie about this. So I don't think she's lying about this. And it feels weird to have Mary be like the lynchpin of me, like, believing this whole thing. But in a weird way, I'm like, I think she is the one person who would go against the grain if they weren't all telling the truth. Seeing Heather meet up with Lisa and seeing Mary meet up with Meredith, both of these scenes are so. so fascinating. Because first of all, Heather waits like 90 minutes for Lisa to show up at this place called Marmalade Brunch House. Which is, like, Lisa going to a place called Marmalade Brunch House just feels wrong. I feel like, I feel like, can we go to a lounge? Can we go somewhere chic?

There's like bignets on the table. She does, she of course doesn't acknowledge how late she is. But Lisa's a story of what happened on the plane. She's like, you know, Meredith was upset. I was trying to soothe her. And, you know, this is crazy because, you know, Heather says that Britney doesn't want to be around, Lisa. And Lisa's like, I didn't do anything to her. And I think it's weird that you would even say that. And it's like, okay, so now Lisa thinks that Heather is making up something that Britney said. Like, why would Heather do that? And Lisa's like, you know, I'm preserving my peace. I was preserving my piece on the plane. And you guys are fucking bitches for putting this stuff on me. You're fucking bitches. And I'm.

And Heather's like, why are you so defensive? And she goes, I'm not on the defense. I'm not on the offense. I'm saying it how it was. Lisa Barlow continues to really like spit bars this season in all the wrong ways. Because I feel like every episode she's like making these bold statements. And she's saying things that are very like catchy and repeatable. But they're making her look like a bad person.

The whole, I mean, like I have had. Everyone knows I do big things stuck in my head for weeks, but like, she looks like a loser. And same with this. Same with this. She's still on her thing about like, you know, I'm better than all of you. You're lucky. I spend time with you. You can tell that she really believes that, which is, it's rough.

And then Meredith meets up with Mary. And this scene is intense too, because Mary sits down. She goes, how are you doing? And Meredith's like, well, you know, okay. And Mary goes, no, like, how are you doing? Because, like, yeah, like, the last time I saw you, you weren't in a good place. And it was different than when you usually go off. And I love that everybody has this thing that they're kind of doing when they talk about Meredith's behavior on the plane.

And they go like, I've seen Meredith crash out once or twice. I've seen Meredith like lose her mind at somebody before but this time it went to a place it reached a level that was just a little extra people are like scared of her

and I'm like this is why I wish we had the video of what was on the plane because we're we're being told that we saw a side of Meredith that we've never seen before and we don't get to see it it's rude

it's like malpractice almost But Meredith's whole thing is that she's like, I was venting to Lisa for 10 minutes. Okay, maybe 15 minutes, but that's all. And Mary's like, that's not the case. And there's all this stuff of like, Lisa tells Heather that she was sleeping the whole time. Meredith tells Mary that she was, you know, asleep in the row in front and diagonal and couldn't see unless she turned her head around. Lisa and Meredith feel like they have a very calculated way of like discredited. editing, Meredith says, it was not the whole time because I watched two movies on the plane

and then I slept for an hour and the flight is not that long. And I will say, I need to know which movies Meredith watched on the plane. Because Meredith is not somebody that I can really, like, imagine watching a movie. Like, what is, what is on Meredith Marks's letterboxed top four? I, like, I, I'm trying to think and I'm just like, drawing a blank. Like, is Meredith the kind of person where she sits down and just, like, presses play on crazy rich Asians and plays games on her phone for two hours and, like, looks up every few minutes and, you know, watches the wedding scene because that's really cool and then just kind of goes on with her day? Or is she like, I'm going to sit down and I'm going to watch the godfather?

Because I feel like there's kind of like two types of people watching a plane movie. I don't know, but she said she watched two movies. maybe that means she watched like inside out and inside out too. Maybe she was really enjoying like that kind of groove. I don't think it was a long enough flight for like the godfather and the godfather part two. I don't know. I would be fascinated to know.

And I also will say, you can talk shit about Brittany and watch a movie at the same time. Girl, multitask. It's real. But this whole plane situation is just so strange. So strange. meanwhile, in this like, in this like fun house horror mirror of an episode, we get this like really like emotional scene of Angie talking to Elektra about how Electra doesn't feel that connected with her Greek heritage because Angie wants Elektra to compete for Greece in the Olympics. And first of all, like, is Electra going to the Olympics for anyone? But that was like, that was like a nice, really heartfelt scene. And then it's like, okay, we're going to spend the rest of the time arguing over what happened on this plane. Except, Actually, the other thing that we spend the whole time is Bronwyn and Whitney meeting up, and Bronwyn admitting that Todd was texting a woman and she was sending sexy pictures on a plane

and that somebody saw him and she confronted him and that it would have been okay if he had asked her for permission, but then she made him sleep at a hotel before he was leaving for a business train. Things are not all good in Todd and Bronwyn land. And I mean, yes, I know that that's like the, Captain Avias headline of the century, but it does feel like this season we are getting a little bit more honesty from Bronwyn in terms of how maybe the like non-traditional parts of her marriage are not always working for her. And it does feel, I mean, I don't want to speculate, you know, I never speculate about somebody's marriage, but it does feel like we could be, we could be

on the path to a Bronwyn divorce story. Like it does feel, we. We could be getting like breadcrumbs right now. And then, you know, next season it could be like, well, I'm single, I'm separated, we're going through, whatever. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. Oh, wow.

What a show. Which movies do you think Meredith watched? If you're listening on Spotify, I love the Spotify comments. Can you comment which movies do you think Meredith watched on the plane? What movie should I watch on the plane to ProvoCon? Ooh. My favorite, like, comfort play. movies of the last couple years have been Wonka, the Timothy Chalomey one. I love it. And the

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Get started at redfin.com. Own the dream. Got Potomac, this was kind of a weird episode of Potomac. I'm not going to spend a lot of time on it, but it was like, the vibes in this group trip to Nevis are a little strange. Because, like, Kiyarnas mad at Jassy for bringing up the fact that Kearna talked shit about Wendy.

We have a lot of, you know, Jazeel has an issue with Kearnah, and then, you know, Angel brings up that maybe Jassy said something shady about her editing her pictures. And, you know, now Stacey declined being a bridesmaid in Jassy's wedding because she says she's busy with her cannabis line. And Jocel's like, Stacey didn't know if Jassie was going to be in the group. And so she didn't want to commit to the wedding

because if Jassy wasn't in the group, then she didn't care. But now that Jesse's in the group, she's like, no, go to the wedding. Jesse's yelling at Tia about saying some guy was looking at her 14 days before her wedding, and it's literally like the old man who owns the restaurant from the night before. It's just like a lot of, it's a lot of like back and forth about stuff that I don't really, I don't want to say I don't care about, but I don't super care about. And then we get another, you know, our second episode of the week, we get a weird like cameras down moment where they're on these golf carts back to the villas or whatever. And Angel and Jassy are having this sort of heated conversation about some unnamed woman calling her ugly and saying she has a snaggle tooth. I mean, tough stuff. And then that night is Jassie's bachelor's at party, which I was honestly like, when I sat down and press play, on this episode. I was like, okay, we're kind of done with the trip to Nevis, right? And I'm like,

there's a whole bachelorette party that we haven't done yet. The theme is just dressed sexy, which, you know, we've got a lot of, like, lacy lingerie and, like, you know, fun, sexy outfits. And Stacey's wearing a fucking durnal. Like, she looks like she is a 20-year-old girl studying abroad in Amsterdam who has gone to Munich for the weekend for October Fest and bought. And and Amazon Dernel, the like, you know, Bavarian, like, the boys wear Laterosin and the girls wear Dernels, but like sexy. So, like, the, yeah, the, like, study abroad Amazon one. Just like, that being Stacey's choice for a generic, like, sexy theme is just so perfect. And I would love to see her sell that Dernel on QVC. She goes, and it has the most perfect skirt.

and, you know, it just is going to make you feel flowy and free. And you're going to grab your giant pretzel and your beer and your mustard. And you're going to have a great time. But so, you know, Wendy brings up this Angel and Jassy's situation and it's just weird. Because Angel says that someone messaged Jassy with incorrect information about her. And Jassy's explaining this. And she's like, I heard that there were instants. where Angel made people feel excluded and that she's not the nicest person.

And I'm sorry, like, are we in fourth grade? Because if you're like big bad tea about somebody is that someone else made people feel excluded, it's like what? So she didn't like share her during snack time? Like, excluded from what? Was she like cutting somebody out of a business deal? Was she like taking somebody's man? very weird, very weird. I'm like, what are we talking about? And so Angel says that when she first

started dating Bobby, her husband, she befriended a woman in Chicago, and then Bobby's team and, like, people around him accused Angel of stealing money from him and hiding birth control to try and get pregnant. And then Angel says she found out that this woman she befriended was the one who made up the story, the root lies about her. And so she, she, tells this, but then Jassy's like, oh, no, I heard from another wag who had a different story of her being mean and nasty. And so she was second guessing, I was second guessing whether I wanted to get close to Angel. Like, what are we doing here? What, what is all this? Enough of the, like, I got a DM from somebody who you're never going to see on the show, and they're not important. And this was from 2016 and literally a decade ago. It's one thing when we're talking about decade old drama that happened on the show. but decade-old drama that happened before somebody was even a twinkle in a housewife's eye, who cares? I was probably a bitch to somebody nine years ago in Chicago.

It happens. I kind of don't know what we're doing here, but then Angel is like, again, doing this thing for like the third night in a row where she's like trying to act cool in the moment, but she's like, I just don't feel comfortable around these women. she leaves to call her husband. It's just a little weird. I'm hoping for this season of Potomac, here's my hope. When we get back from the trip to Nevis, I say we like, we're there right now. When the ladies come back from Nevis, can we like find something real to talk about? Can we move on?

Because I think I'm liking Tia. I think there's stuff to like about everyone new in the group right now, Angel and Tia both. I just feel like they haven't this cast. so far, I've enjoyed parts of this season. I feel like they haven't quite found the right storylines for this season yet. There's like been little peaks of it. I think the Stacey stuff is interesting. I just feel like they're spending time on some things that just aren't quite clicking. And I hope that they can try something new and kind of like kick it into gear. But we'll see. I think Monique coming back might help kickstart things in a way. I wonder if they kind of

felt like they needed to do that after watching the footage from this trip. but we'll see. Our next segment is All the Rage, brought to you by Angry Orchard Hard Sider. Life is too short to keep things bottled up, especially when there are way juicier things to obsess over. We're unpacking the Bravo drama that has us spiraling this week in the best way possible. So crack open a crisp, refreshing Angry Orchard, and let's get into it. Now, this week, it's an important week because we have been waiting all year, two years, in fact, and BravoCon is finally back. So obviously there's going to be lots of great content and Recaps and everything coming, you know, on social media, on the podcast, everywhere. But there are a

handful of really hot button Bravo topics that we are maybe anticipating, hoping for, predicting, wondering about. And Bravo Khan seems like the place to be for a lot of big announcements this year. So I want to just run down a few things that I am. Let's say this is my BravoCon wish list of things that I hope that we will be obsessing over next week when I get back. And first of all, all, I am hoping that we will have some kind of announcements about New York and New Jersey, Real Housewives of both places, if you didn't fill that in. It has been a long time. There have been a lot of rumors, a lot of chatter, a lot of opinions, but so far, no real actual inclination of which way these franchises are going to go. Now, in the case of New Jersey, I don't know if

you all saw recently, we saw Jennifer Aiden kind of, bow out of the future of Real Housewives of New Jersey. It seemed like she sort of saw the writing on the wall. She was not invited to BravoConn this year. Interestingly, the only Real Housewives of New Jersey women that are officially at BravoCon this year are Teresa, Melissa, Margaret, Dolores, and Jen Fessler. So it seems like if we're poised for any kind of Jersey announcement, chances are the five of them are coming along for the ride. sorry Rachel Fuda, sorry Danielle Cabral. Not really sorry to Jackie or Jennifer Aiden at this point, but it seems like Jersey is something's percolating there and similar with New York because we have been awaiting all year. What is the future of New York going to be after a really disliked second season with the new cast? Now, that's an interesting one too because a handful of the new women are going to be at BravoCon. Aaron's going to be there, Jessel, sigh.

but we also have some of our, you know, classic rony ladies like Luann and Dorinda are going to be at BravoCon. So there's a lot of chatter over like, are we getting sort of a hybrid, new, new old version? Is something different happening entirely? Is there even going to be an announcement? I mean, for me, it seems very strange that you would have somebody like Syde Silva at BravoCon if there's not a new season of a show that she's going to be on. But you never know. I am also wondering if we're going to get some kind of announcements or sneak peeks from the upcoming new seasons of Ladies of London and of Real Housewives of a Rhode Island. Those are, you know, two new properties that were announced earlier this year, and we know that they've been in production.

I think Ladies of London might be coming first, but I don't know anything for sure. But it seems like BravoCon would be a natural time to at least unveil some kind of sneak peek, even if we don't get a premiere date or even if the cast doesn't get fully announced, it seems like it would be weird to let BravoCon go by and not acknowledge those shows at all. Now, we know that new Vanderpump rules, Beverly Hills have both been announced already for their new seasons. It seems like we could maybe get some sort of sneak peek of Real Housewives of Atlanta that's filming. I believe they're filming right now. You know, there's some other shows that are, you know, coming back soon. I bet Southern Hospitality is going to have some kind of update. And I am a...

also really wondering if we're going to get any more context for this new summerhouse spinoff in the city that's happening. That I think is a working title, but we'll see. Because they, they announced this and it seems very obvious that it's going to be a bunch of the summerhouse cast, but they technically haven't announced the cast for that or shown us anything beyond that sort of like, hey, this is happening, that like little itsy-bitsy teaser. So it does seem like maybe we could get some sort announcement, like, in tandem with a summer house trailer or something like that, because that's another thing that's in the works. Also, um, the Valley spin-off with the Shah's, uh, old OG cast. I think, uh, they're going to be there, Gigi and, um, and Mercedes and Reza. So it, there are a lot of

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