Mention It All - Some Housewives Are Sleeper Hits Ft. Emily Simpson

Episode Date: August 7, 2024

We’re in the midst of a RHOC renaissance, so what better time for Emily Simpson to stop by the studio and mention it all with Dylan? They start by reflecting on the wild ups and downs of Orange County’s last six seasons, and how Emily has managed to ride it out and come out on top. They also talk about Housewives from past seasons returning to the show, and how Emily feels about Alexis’s choices this season. Of course, they also dissect the feuds between Jenn/Gina and Heather/Katie, and Emily isn’t afraid to voice her opinions on any of it. Later, she shares some insights into her social media strategy, and her unique view on watching the show (or not). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast. I have been loving OC this season. It's no secret. So I am very excited to have my first OC lady of the season in the studio. She is now a six-season housewife, Emily Simpson. Hi. Hi, I'm excited to be here. I'm so excited to have you.

here. This has been a wild start to the season for Orange County. I think this was a very highly anticipated season of Housewives for a multitude of reasons. And it's definitely delivering so far. I just want to ask, now that you've been on the show, six seasons, what is it like kind of having a new one ready to go? Like, does it always feel, does it feel different every time? Or is it just kind of like, you know, I do think every season is different and every season has a different feel. I think it depends on who's friends with who and what the dynamic is. And I don't know. I think I knew going into the season that it was going to be a good season just right from the get-go just because it's just so layered. And I think it's a really strong cast, regardless of what you feel

about individual cast members. That doesn't matter. As a whole, it's a great cast. And I don't know, I think just the vibe from the very beginning was so energetic and so many things going on. And and so many layers and dynamics and things changing. And I was like, wow, this is going to be a ride. Yeah, I agree. It's such a strong cast this season to the point where it's not, even if your drama isn't what's kind of the center of attention, that everybody in the cast feels like they're really giving us something,

whether it's an opinion, whether it's a facial reaction, a response to something, or, you know, some people kind of being put on trial a little bit more. essentially like it feels like there really isn't anybody who's just kind of standing off on the sidelines. Right. And I think that's important because like I've always said even about myself, I'm not a messy. I'm not the messy one. You know, there's probably not going to be a lot of, you know, centric drama around me. Like I don't anticipate Shane and I getting divorced. I don't anticipate getting sued. I don't anticipate his ex-wife coming onto the show. We're knocking on all the

wood right now. Right, right. But I just don't ever see those things happening. But I think it's important that even if you don't have that type of drama going on in your own life, that you're very embedded in other people's drama and you're not afraid to comment on it or be opinionated about it. And so I think everybody does a good job of doing that. You're the one with the face pressed up on the window. Oh my gosh. I was like, can we please get a like a lip reader up in here? Because I want to know what's going on. Yeah.

I think that's such a good, that's such a good thing to know about yourself on a show like this that, even if you're not going to be the one who's like, I mean, not everybody can be getting sued all the time. Right. So like what else kind of, what do you bring to the table? And I was, I was thinking about your time on OC. Six seasons now. The show has gone through a lot of changes, has a lot of ups and downs in that time from, you know, Tamara and Vicky leaving the first time around. The COVID season of all COVID seasons. We've had some newbies that have come and gone in your time. And you really, you know, Heather coming back, Tamara coming back, Alexis now coming back. Like you and Gina really have kind of weathered a lot of storms. And I think now really feel like such a central part of this recipe.

Yeah. And I appreciate you saying that because I feel like maybe Gina and I were judged too harshly during those down times. Like we were the consistent factor. But, you know, two people can't make a show. And so with people coming and going and Tamara and Vicky leaving, but then Heather, coming back. And I think OC was trying to get its footing and figure itself out. Yeah. And Gina and I were just the consistent factors that were along for that ride. But I feel like we just, you know, got the brunt of people not being satisfied with the show. And so I'm so happy that she and I weathered that storm and we can kind of

write it out at the end and be part of now what is such a great season. Yeah. I think it's easy as a viewer to be like something's not working. It must be the new girl. And it's like sometimes actually there are, people who have been on the show a long time who maybe need to have that little, you know, awakening or something and kind of find a new gear or take some time off. And I think it feels like this season kind of all the pieces are clicking again for OC, which is so exciting. I mean, 18 years is a really long time. It really is. And I'm telling you, every year I like have this conversation with Shane where I say to him, I, this has to be it. Like how long can this actually last? But then we come out with like the strongest season, you know, this

season, season 18, where you would think after so much time it would be dwindling down, but I feel like it's just ramping up. Yeah, I think with housewives too, people, it's such a part of people's lives watching the shows and following you guys and the ups and downs and, you know, people coming and going and returning, that it feels like even when there is a season that maybe isn't the strongest on TV, people still have things that they care about. I mean, we were just talking about your kids before we started recording, like seeing kids grow up and relationships form and, you know, sometimes not last. But like, you know, there are those

moments where it's like, I still am invested in some way, even if it's not like the most dramatic season ever. Right. And I think that's the recipe that makes housewives successful. And I forget that sometimes. But then I'll be out and about with Shane. And people will come up and say, oh my gosh, I love you guys. I love your marriage. I love your relationship. Shane's so funny. How's your daughter? Your mother-in-law's so cute. She's so tiny. And just, Just knowing that people watch the show and just take that away and they think about it and they remember you and they ask about my mom and they ask about my mother-in-law and they ask about my children, you know, that's the recipe that's kept housewives on for so long is that people

become very invested in our personal lives. Yeah. And as many people as they're like, this season's boring, they need to fight more. There are also people who are like, I like it when they, I like it when we see the nice moments. And that balance, I think is really key. Right. And I think the season has a really good balance of all of that. And I think, you know, I was saying earlier, everyone's very invested in this season and everyone. I've heard nothing but positive things. I haven't seen a single thing. I mean, well, people will pick isolated beds, you know, like and be like, I can't believe she said that or, you know, she's such a jerk or she should be fired or whatever. Those are just, you know, people that just like to complain to complain. But globally, overall, the consensus is it's entertaining. It's a great season. People are very invested in it. But I was saying we haven't even left Orange County yet. Like, it just gets better. Like, we're still, guys, we're still in Orange County. Like, we still have to travel, like, three more times. Heather's, I think, commuted from L.A. a few times.

She's left Orange County. She has. I cannot fathom the amount of time she spends in the car to film this show these days. Well, she lived in Orange County while we were filming. Oh, because she was staying at the Balboa. Yeah, she was at a hotel. Okay. I mean.

It seems inconvenient to me, but. Yeah. I mean, I agree. because, you know, I think her kids are in L.A. and she was going back and forth. But I do believe that they intend to buy a house here. So I think they were looking for houses while they're here too. So I think she's just used to doing that. And she has a driver. Yeah, champagne problems. That's the difference. Like you and I are going to be in the HOV lane, like getting irritated, you know, but she's just in the back of her SUV. Well, her driver's driving. I'm curious. So Heather's been back a couple seasons now. Tamara came back last year. What is it like? Obviously, you had, you had, you had, been on a season with Tamara at the beginning of your time on the show. Two. Two seasons. Yes.

And then Heather, you had never filmed with before. And now Alexis coming back, you weren't on the show with her before. What is it like kind of navigating these relationships with women who the viewers have a ton of experience watching? But you are kind of encountering them in a new space. You know, it's, it is an interesting concept. I feel as if I just go at it from. just a standpoint of my own personal view as opposed to what other people think. You know, Tamara and I didn't get along the first two years I was on the show. We weren't close. We weren't friendly. I didn't

like her. She didn't like me. I think that was very well known. She took, you know, she was let go for a couple years. She didn't have a lot of nice things to say about me. She comes back on the show. And first, I don't know why, but for some reason we clicked when she came back on. And that just goes to show you that these relationships can grow and change. And that's an interesting aspect. as well. You know, Alexis, I knew not on the show, but I knew personally because, you know, we live in the same area and we have mutual friends. So I've been around her a lot outside of filming, but not filming together until this season. Yeah. And so that's different because Alexis not filming is like, to me, a different person than Alexis filming. So it's very interesting. Yeah. So when did, when you started filming for this season, did you already know that Alexis was going to be, coming back on the show or was that kind of a surprise for you? No, I think I knew, I knew that they were interested. And I knew that she was in talks or whatever.

I didn't know. I mean, the situation is just so. I mean, I think someone asked me like at Kathy Hilton's, you know, Christmas party. I was like walking the red carpet and they were like, you know, there's, you know, some, you know, some gossip out there that Alexis might come back. And I'm like, well, that's good TV. Like, I'm not going to lie about that. Like, they would be stupid not to pursue that. And, you know, not taking Shannon's feelings into account,

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And then, you know, having a prior friendship with Alexis outside of the show, then kind of having to balance those two things. And some of the stuff where obviously Alexis wants everybody to love Johnny Jay the same way she does. And it's like, I've been spending the last three years hearing this thing. And the other thing from Shannon, like, you do have to kind of weigh those two perspectives. Yeah. And you know, in the beginning, I felt like it was difficult because I was friends with Alexis and I didn't have a problem with Alexis dating John. I mean, they're two adults. They're allowed

to be happy together. But her coming on the show, I feel like shifted the dynamic and shifted our relationship because I was friends with Shannon. I felt like Shannon needed support and she needed an ally and she needed someone to kind of be in her corner. But then that was detrimental to my relationship with Alexis because Alexis wanted everyone on board to just, you know, be supportive of their relationship and say that Shannon was wrong and Shannon's a liar and Shannon's the reason that, you know, John was, you know, she lied about him and his reputation and all these kinds of things. Whereas I feel like that was just a misstep on her part because you can't shove a relationship down someone's throat.

You can't force people to like someone. Yeah. It has to happen organically. And I think it just needed time. And I think it could have happened if she took different steps. Yeah. From watching these first few episodes, it does feel a little bit like, you know, she's, she's there with her agenda.

And that beyond that, it's not really, it doesn't really click that she's like a part of the group. And I think with the group like this, it's like people who don't make sense. with the group, then probably don't stay around that long. And if you want to be kind of, you know, a full member, you kind of have to, you have to like actually, you have to put the work in. Right. And I think that's important. And that's what makes for a good group of friends and makes for good TV is when we are actually friends. And there's a foundation there. And that's why when there's a crack in that foundation or Heather gets upset at me or whatever, we can always work it out. And

people enjoy that journey. Yeah. You know, but if you just come in and you don't make any effort to be friends with people to get to know them, for them to get to know you, just you, not you in a relationship, but just you as a person. Right. Then I think it's detrimental. Mm-hmm.

I'm curious because Jen Pedrante was the first person who came on in a while that kind of stuck and is back for a second season. It felt like last season she was able to kind of make those bonds, you know, she and Tamara had their personal ups and downs, but that she still kind of had a place in the group. But then this season, it feels like she is in a little bit of a different place. It's,

you know, there's a lot going on with her personal life. What is your view kind of Jen last season versus Jen this season? You know, I like, I like Jen. And I do like how she handles the show. I think she does well as far as having an opinion and then other people

having opinion about her choices or her life, but then not taking it so far. that she, like, hates someone or something. Do you know what I mean? Like, I think she understands the assignment and I appreciate that about her, that she knows that her life is messy and she knows that people are going to comment on it and people are going to have opinions about it. Yeah.

But she doesn't get so worked up about it that it causes, you know, a toxic relationship where we can't come back from it. Yeah. It felt like in her issues with Gina so far this season that they, it was really, really heated and then already we see kind of like a little bit of a pull back, you know, maybe each of them have something to apologize for. You know, like I think that kind of healthy like, you know, push and pull of conflict and resolution is really important. Right. And I agree with that 100%. And I think Jen does that well because she and I have conflict too later on. But, you know,

I always say about myself is I can be aggressive or I can be heated. But I, I always come around and try to be self-aware too. And if I need to apologize, I'll apologize. And I think that's really important on a show with a cast so that things don't become too heavy and too toxic and too carried out for too long. And that's why I think Jen is good because she has that same mentality. It's like she'll be mad or she'll be upset or she'll be mad about something that somebody said, but she also can come back around and see someone's perspective and listen and be, you know, able to resolve it. Right. Like arguing and making up is good TV, not being willing to talk to each other or be in the same room. That's how you get in a bad spot. Exactly. And,

And I think OC does a really good job of the conflict resolution and not making things too dark and toxic where it becomes completely divided. Yeah. I'm curious how you feel about the Trace of Begas over the years have had many, you know, splits and coming back together and all of that. And it seems to be maybe past some point of no return this season. But seeing Vicky back on the show, it's interesting. It feels maybe different than it has in the past. Like, what do you think about Vicky kind of appearing again? I love Victoria.

Even when Victoria didn't love me, I still loved her. And even when she blocked me, I still always said good things about her. I think there's like, like Victoria is the godfather of like housewives. Like we should all bow down. Like really honestly, if you think about it, it wouldn't exist if she wasn't as successful and then as good on TV as she is. I really feel like her being such a. good reality star is what led to other franchises and led, you know, to like this recipe of women and making it successful. I think she's good TV. Yeah. I think I think she's hilarious.

And I think she says whatever's on her mind, no matter how ridiculous it is. And then she'll double down on it. Even when she knows she's wrong. And it's just entertaining. So I love it when she pops up. I don't know like about being full time or whatever. I don't even think she's a friend per se. I think she's more of like an appearance here and there. Well, it made sense like in in the most recent episode when she appeared,

it was like she and Shannon were working on this tour that they have together. You know, they're obviously close friends with each other. So it made sense in that context. But then, you know, like Tamara coming back last season, I think there were some sort of. some sort of like things to iron out. It's like, okay, like, what's going to happen with Shannon? Like, is she going to kind of play nice with you and with other people?

Like, I think you really do have to be able to kind of adapt to stay to continue kind of making sense in the group. Right. Exactly. What do you think about Tamara, obviously, also iconic, like, reality TV legend. Like, she kind of invented the game in a way. Yeah. Do you feel like it's, is there like a different element?

to kind of establishing a friendship or relationship with her because she has been through so many of those kind of... You know, I just, I think Tamara's a complex person. And I think that she's been on TV so long that she's good at what she does. And I think it takes a while to maybe earn her respect in that regard. And I feel like she and I now, after six years, we're at a good place. and I think that she has respect for me now.

And I think once Tamara respects you, then you're good. But if she doesn't, you're in trouble. Yeah. And the respect doesn't necessarily mean you'll always get along about everything. No, and that's not what I mean. It doesn't mean like she, you know, a free pass. Agrees with everything I say or anything like that.

I just mean like she's, she's open to a relationship and she's open to resolving things. And like she'll listen and she'll give you the time of day. she'll acknowledge that you exist and that you breathe air. So now that you've been on the show of pretty long time, do you feel like you kind of have any of that, you know, energy toward the new girls that are coming up behind you? Because I know it was really funny,

the video that you and Gina made were listing off the names of all the people that are coming on. I know. And you know what's funny? We made that and we thought we were hilarious. I don't know if anybody else thinks we are, but we do. We find ourselves funny. But we did that in like one take.

And then we were just cracking up about it. And we were like, are we the mean girls now? Like, did we become the mean girls? Like, is that us now? Are we, we're the bitches now? I think we are. Maybe we are. I don't know.

You know, I think when you've been on for so long, there is a shift. You know, I always say that you go from playing defense to offense. When you come on, I feel like you're more of a defensive player because you don't really know what's going on and you're just defending yourself. At least that's how it was for me. I felt like I was constantly. like having defend my relationship with Shane and having to defend this and this.

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Well, I think for whatever reason, and I don't know, looking back now, it seems kind of silly. Like, people just had so much to say about you and your relationship and Shane and, you know, how you handled situations. And it feels like I don't, I don't know if you guys have done anything differently. but for some reason, like, there was a point where everybody just, like, turned a corner on Shane. Yeah. You know, and I try to. It's not an issue. I know.

I know. Because now I feel like, now people come after me. Like, if there's an issue between Shane and me, like, I'm the one that's going to get the hate. They're going to be like, leave Shane alone, Emily. Like, I'm going to get the hate now. So, you know what I think? Because I try to think of where it was. And I think it was really during the COVID season when he got COVID and he got really sick.

And I know there were a lot of times where I think he was very. vulnerable and I was vulnerable in that moment. I think there was a time where he was laying on the bed and he was like petting the cats, Paul. And I saw so many people like, oh, like he's like petting the cat and he's like dying of COVID. And I think maybe that's where it started to turn a little where people saw him more vulnerable and not so just shame, you know. Well, and it seems like you guys have a dynamic where like you guys can give each other shit a little bit. And like, you know, kind of make jokes and things. Right. If people don't really understand. the underlying love and respect or whatever there.

It's like, they can be like, it seems like they hate each other. I know. And I think people have now realized after all these years that he is a stand-up guy and that he is a good husband and he's a good father. It's just our relationship is more bantering. I mean, we're both attorneys. We're both sarcastic. We're both witty.

So like that's our love language. That's how we talk to one another. And it's not, it's not coming from a place of anger or hate. It's coming from a place of love, but that's just what we do. Yeah. I've also noticed you are not hesitant to kind of clap back at comments on social media when people have things to say. I know.

I do. Is that something? Was that always your energy on social media since you've been on the show? Or did you kind of get more comfortable with that at some point? No, I think I've always argued back with people. Shane tells me all the time. He's like, stop doing that. That's what they want.

Like, you're just feeding into it. You need to ignore it. Don't block people. Don't. And I can't help it. Like, I obviously don't respond to everyone. I couldn't do that. That would be a full-time job.

But every once in a while, I just get irked by, especially women when they attack for no reason other than just the way you look or something. I think that's so low. Yeah. I mean, it's one thing to watch the show. And if you want to get pissed off at me because of something I did or said and you want to critique that, okay, that's fine. Because you're watching the show and you have an opinion.

But to just go on someone's social media and say, like, you know, you're discussing. and your teeth are ugly. And it's like, what, who does that? Well, it's, yeah, it's as somebody who has watched many hours of housewives and whatever, it's just so crazy because it never occurs to me that I'm like, oh, like, I should go on Instagram and tell her what I think about her face. Like, it's just so wild to me that's how people go through the world. It's such a bizarre concept.

Yeah. I mean, Shane and I were, there was a period of time where we were addicted to 90 day fiancee and we would watch it all the time. I'm telling you, that show is a hot mess, right? Not one time, I promise you, did I ever find anyone's Instagram from that show and send them a DM or a comment attacking them in any way, shape, or form? So I just don't get that mentality. What gets me is like when people will tag in the comments where it's like a negative, a negative, you know, opinion about somebody. And it's like, at Emily Simpson, I agree.

And it's like, now it's in your feed. Right. I know. Thank you very much. Like, can you please attack me without tagging me? I don't really want to look at it. I do, I want to talk about our new housewife this season, Katie. She, I think, is coming on pretty strong.

I think it's fair to say we are in the midst of paparazzi picture gate or whatever you want to call it. Paparazzi gate. So this is the second season that the Disneyland photos have come into question. And I'm curious your thoughts on Katie being a new person in the group and kind of coming with this prepared a little bit. Did it strike you as odd that she was kind of going back in the vault to bring this out? It did. It was she, it was actually shocking to me when she told me because I thought, wow, that's a lot of work and effort on your part prior to even coming in to film. Yeah. Like I would have never done something like that. I mean, I don't even

watch the episode. So for someone to put that much time and energy into it, I was like, that was odd. And then when she told me, I was like, okay, this can go one of two ways. Like either she comes off strong and confident and people are going to be like, wow, she's not afraid of Heather or it's going to fall flat and she's going to destroy any possible relationship with Heather. And then she's going to screw herself for the rest of the season. So I think that was a big gamble.

It was like she was definitely rolling the dice on that. Yeah. And I think with with Heather, I mean, it's, you kind of know she's going to have the energy of like, I barely know this, this chick. Like, what's okay? Right. Come at me. Right. And, but I honestly, I think I also, when, when Katie told me and showed me the screenshot and everything, I found it amusing. And that's because it's so petty.

Yes. It wasn't like she was showing me some evidence that Heather did something egregious or terrible. I would have shut that down. I never would have entertained that. Yeah. But because it was just such a superficial, petty, funny accusation, I was like, okay well Heather's not going to get bothered by this because she's strong she's confident this isn't some egregious allegation yeah that's a good point that i mean as you said we haven't even left oc this season right we've got bigger fish coming down the right exactly right exactly pipeline i'm so excited to see where the season goes there are some i think some some some really

crazy things to come yes there are where i just like the last thing i want to ask about is the the stuff with gina and jen obviously you have a close friend with Gina. Yeah. Where did you land kind of on what? Did you watch, do you watch the episode? Yeah,

I mean, I know, but I mean, I know what happened and Shane watches the episodes and I mean, I know, I always knew how Gina felt about it.

And, you know, are you asking me where I side on that? I think watching it, I think it was very understandable Gina's anger with Jen, but then maybe it felt like came on a little strong, perhaps.

Yeah, and I think Gina would admit that. And I don't want to be judgmental of Gina in that situation because I, agree with everything she said. Like I, I looked at the whole situation with Jen from a different perspective. When people were like, poor Jen, I was saying poor homeowner. Like, I was looking at it probably from an attorney perspective. Like, she signed a lease. It's a contract. She knew how much

it was. She needs to be more responsible about things like this. And so I agreed with all of Gina's sentiments. I just think, because I've even had this conversation with Gina. And she's like, I wish that I wouldn't have gotten so heated. So, but, you know, it's easy for people to to watch and judge. And you do only see a small snippet. They don't show the entire thing. And I'm not blaming editing or anything. She was very heated. But, you know, sometimes not all the feels that you have get in there into the episode, you know. So sometimes it's like, wow, that was really off the rails. But, you know. That's interesting. Do you feel like your legal background kind of informs how you view a lot of the stuff on the show? Because there is so much going on with finances and,

divorce and stuff like, you know, all of those things that do play into sort of a legal perspective. Yeah, definitely. And it's not even just a legal perspective. Like I look at things from an attorney point of view, but I also just my background of just growing up poor in Ohio like gives me a different perspective on things too and having a single mom and things like that. I just feel like I maybe look at things from a different perspective sometimes. Like I have a hard time looking at Jen and seeing a victim in this circumstance. Yeah, well, I'm certainly interested to see where Jen's journey takes us this season. And I think we've got some road to go on that.

Definitely. Emily, this was so great. Thank you so true being here. Yeah, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Everybody watch Real Housewives of Orange County Thursday nights on Bravo. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool.

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