Mention It All - Someone’s Getting Shahrrested (RHOP Reunion, RHOSLC)

Episode Date: November 8, 2021

Dylan and Bari are finally reunited, and it’s a whopper of an episode. They kick things off with the RHOP reunion, where Andy is ready to grill Candiace about her constant conflicts. Next, they recap an incredible RHOSLC episode, where Mary’s true self is starting to show, and it’s not a great look. And of course, it all leads up to the Beauty Lab parking lot, where the Jen Shah legal drama starts to go down. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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See Home Depot.com slash price match for details. Betch's Media presents. Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All. A Bravo by Betcha's podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With Dylan Hafer. Who don't check me, bro?

And Barry Rosenfeld. I need to start drinking alcohol. Now go to sleep, we. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer. And I'm Barry Rosenfeld, and we are back together. The dynamic deal, I, Barry, I feel like we have spoken since we were

on mic together, but I feel like I haven't really like gotten to like talk to you in such a long time. I know. It's like we live two different lives. It's we, which we do. Since the last time, since the last time we recorded together, they announced the Miami cast. We didn't get to talk about that. They announced Dubai, which like, wow, I know you talked with Chris about that on last Monday's episode. Beverly Hills is over. They're already filming. We have a new house. You know, there's so much so much happening and you know but then also like Salt Lake City is now popping the fuck off I want to know like I don't know how much Bravo has their like scheduling shit together right but the fact that Beverly Hills concluded on Thursday and then this Sunday and next Sunday are like the episodes we've been waiting for since Jenshaw got arrested right it really could not be better timing we have ultimate girls trip the holidays time that's what we all want i know i know it's like christmas came early truly um we also have i think next week all stars aka ultimate girls trip

begins um so like there's just a lot coming down the pipeline um hather debrough is posting new confessional outfits you know oc is going to be coming soon it's a lot everything it's too much like i i need I need like a vacation. Did you see the photo? I've reposted it of Shiree filming yesterday wearing this like gigantic fur coat and like brown like thigh high boots. And I... She could have gone to Mary's Italian cooking class.

She wore like, she did the assignment better than Whitney did for sure. But like Atlanta was in New York filming this weekend. They saw candies play that she produced on Broadway. Southern Charms. filming. Like, how do they have so many camera crews? Like, what, what, how many people are on the payroll? But anyway, Dylan, how is your time off? What was, I need to know, what was your peak and pit of your time off? Um, my time off was lovely. Thank you. Um, I, I, I really didn't do a lot. Like, in terms of, oh, you had a week off. Like, did you go somewhere? Did you blah, blah, blah. Like, no, I really took the

week to just kind of like rest and recharge. I got like a few days behind on some of my Bravo shows, which is, it never happens because we're always recording these episodes within, you know, a day or two of when the show's around. So like, I didn't watch. I still haven't watched last week's Vanderpump Rules. I obviously, I will, like today because we have to watch the new episode. Right.

But it's like, wow, I'm like six days behind on a Bravo show. Did you sleep? I, you know, I didn't sleep as much as I maybe should have. I kind of was like, I feel like the first half of my time off, I was in that like schools out for summer mindset of like, I can stay up as late as I want, but then I'm not good at sleeping in. So it's like, okay, you're up until 2.30 and then you still wake up at 8.30. And it's like, oh, I'm not actually, that wasn't eight hours.

But the good thing about that is that you didn't have to wake up and go to work and do work, like you can just like stay in bed. I was like waking up, you know, watch a movie, go for a walk, see a show. I saw some shows. Like very, it was, it was like a nice week. Love it. Well, to bring you back, we're talking about another, a second part four reunion. Yes.

And I feel like this one, when they announced that Potomac was going to be four parts, it was a little bit like, why? Okay. I don't, okay, so I think Potomac. Oh, why. Right. And I'm assuming that it's basically going to be kind of a standard three-part reunion

with like a Nikki episode. Right, I think. Part four. And Andy, doing the big fake out, tells all the women that she really wanted to. It was a little bit like, it was extremely on the nose, given the fact that we all know that she's there.

It's like, it was like, okay, I don't really want to watch these women be like low-key disappointed about Nikki Minaj not showing up. It reminded me of, like your parents, like, not trying to ruin a surprise party that they're throwing for you, but they're ruining it by saying something. Right. They're like, okay, so kids, like, we're not doing presents this year.

Sorry, but we'll get, we'll do something next year instead and then you wake up in the morning. Guys, presents. But, yeah, this season of Potomac, I felt like it was a solid, entertaining season. it wasn't like super explosive. Last season, obviously, we had the Monique and Candice fight the, you know, giant rift in the group. Yeah. And this season, it was like, there wasn't anything really happening in that big of a sense.

I thought it was just a normal, you know, Potomac doesn't have bad seasons. But the first part of the reunion, I felt like the first half was sort of slow. And then when Andy started grilling Candice, things picked up all. little bit. Like, I, he like, kind of shocked me a little bit with that. I was like, whoa. I was thinking, so after watching the Beverly Hills reunion, I felt like Andy sort of was more engaged than he has been in a while. And I was talking to Sean, our lovely producer, about this, this morning that I'm wondering if Andy sort of got some feedback about some of his more

recent reunion performances and that it seemed like he was almost neutral to the point of not caring that much or not being, you know, obviously when you're a moderator, you want to be fair and you want to be sort of unpacking the whole situation. But at the same time, that doesn't always mean that you can't tell someone they're wrong or you have to be 100% neutral. Like being fair and being neutral aren't necessarily always the same. And so I like that in this part, he really was drilling in on Candace a little bit because I felt like she deserved it. Well, and also the fact that he brought up the fact that he was getting tweets being like, why aren't you firing her? But you know what that reminded me of? Which is funny because New York

didn't have a reunion. Because multiple people brought up to everyone why Ramona wasn't getting fired. Right. We'll see what unfolds with that anyway. Oh, yeah. And, you know, and I think Candace is sort of missing the point because she's like, oh, well, like, everybody wants everybody to get fired. And of course, there are people that are out here. Fire Jazeel. Fire Wendy. All of this. You know, you're on TV. A lot of people watch the show. People have their own opinions. But Andy is trying to tell her, people want me to fire you because of specific wrong. things that you're saying and specific things that they think you're out of line for doing this. And she is, she's like twisting this in her brain to think, well, these people don't like me because I'm better at the game than, you know, than Mia, than Jaselle. I'm better at throwing shade. I'm more of a, you know, I'm thinking on my feet more.

Because I'm better at it. Right. And I love, I love that Karen in that. moment is like, nobody is better at this than Giselle and I. Let's be clear. And I think this is exactly right. I think Candice is very good at the game of being a housewife. I think she always brings it on the show. I personally, you know, there are things that she says and does that I really rub me the wrong way. But I do think she does a great job on the show. But let's be clear, nobody on Potomac is doing it like Karen and Giselle. I think they are. Because they have a good banter.

Right, and I think they both, they have that frenemy relationship that is so rare to find and sustain where they go. Where Candace is just mean as far. Right. Karen and Giselle are always going to go through their ups and downs. I think at the end of the day, they respect each other and they get each other, but they know that, I mean, they are professionals on this show. And I think Karen and Giselle know that the more they kind of have this back and forth, the more it's going to produce the goods that we want to see on TV. And I love that. Whereas Candace, as much as I think she is great on TV, she doesn't have that like that moment where it's like, okay, pull it back. This is a show.

We don't want to burn the bridge too much. Right. And Andy kept telling her she's the common denominator. Like you are though Right. Nobody is saying that Monique should have dragged her or that I wish Mia had hit her after she threw the salad. They're saying

that at a certain point you can't be surprised or so shocked that people are having these reactions when you're the one bringing it to the brink of that. I honestly loved when Giselle was like, I mean, I'm just saying if Mia did end up like hitting you, well, I'm not going to say you didn't deserve it for what you said.

She's like, well. It makes me think of Lala's iconic. Are you trying to get popped? And honestly, with Candace's behavior, sometimes it's like, are you trying to get popped? Like somebody, you, if you, if you step to the line enough times, you know, sooner or later, somebody is going to step back. And I think that's what happened last season with. Yeah, exactly. with Monique.

And it feels, it's frustrating that Candice can't sort of take a step back and think, okay, even if it wasn't justified what she did to me, maybe I played a part in that. And she clearly cannot have that thought. No, no, not at all. But I do have to say, let's backtrack a little just because this was such a minor detail where they kept coming for Giselle about her style and that it has improved a little bit. And depending on who you ask. But we found out that she has had the same stylist forever.

And that bond she has with her stylist is not going anywhere, clearly. But the fact that Candace at that moment jumped in and she was like, she doesn't agree with all of Giselle's fashion choices. And Gisle was like, that's okay. I don't agree with all of yours. And Candace goes, this was the part Candace that I like where Candice goes, right. But what works for me works for other people. I honestly like I do I think it's funny all the Giselle fashion comments like I think they're you know it's it's funny but I also think Giselle should wear whatever she wants to wear and I like the fact.

Yes but I like I like that she has this attitude. Yes. That she literally is like okay keep talking about my clothes. I don't care like I wear what I want to wear. I don't actually. Because guess what? They're still talking about it. Right. And Giselle is the star of this TV show who, you know, has all of this stuff going for her. She hosts another show on Bravo. None of these women can say that. And she's like, yeah, I wear what I want to wear. I don't need Karen's approval on my wardrobe. And I, you know, I think this, what this cast does so well is that they have all of this kind of like shady back and forth banter.

her with each other and Giselle's clothes. And I will say, I think Mia had a good performance on part one of this reunion. And while she, so she, one thing that I found kind of annoying about her during the season was that she was always kind of getting in other people's business and sort of poking her head into things that didn't concern her. But I think that same quality on a reunion couch actually can kind of be a good thing to a certain point because Mia is like she's very quick on her feet. She will say whatever comes to mind. I think it's funny a lot of the time. And so when you're on the reunion and it's like, you know,

she's making these comments about whatever's being talked about. That's kind of like the lively like back and forth that I want to see at a reunion. And I think Mia was kind of bringing that. Yeah. Well, speaking of Mia, when you said performance, I thought you meant like her responses just now of like what she was saying. But I have to say, I thought the questions Andy was asking her and everything, she was answering, she was answering them full out, like she was not hiding anything. He, she was, and everyone was like, well, why didn't she say that? Wait, why didn't she? And she was like, well, no one asked me that during the season. Like I, yeah, yeah, it was a stripper. Yeah. Look, I, I always think it is one of the dumbest things on housewives when somebody is getting

accused of being a stripper or this is something so scandalous. The thing is, first of all, who cares? There's nothing wrong with being a stripper. Not to mention stripper talk is one of my favorite things to watch on TikTok. Oh, yes, yes. When they count the money. It's amazing.

It's amazing. I would do, you would do it too for a check. Or maybe not. But it's one of those things where... I meant not for a check. I would still do it. It says so much more about the people on the other end who are so concerned about it because for Mia, I mean, whatever. Maybe she didn't keep all the details of the story the same from the beginning till now.

But she clearly is not ashamed of her question. And she's very open about the fact that it was not love at first sight with her husband. You know, he was one of these high rollers that was basically funding. the club, it sounds like. I don't know. It's a little... Yeah. And the connection for her

didn't really come until later. And the fact that she's so open about that, she clearly is not shy. You know, she's talking about the investment situation, how she and her husband are linked business-wise, but he didn't necessarily, like,

give her what she has. Like he didn't hand her the businesses. Right. But it says so much more about the other women who are so concerned about, you know, what was she a stripper? What procedure did she have done to her vagina? That annoyed me.

That whole conversation annoyed me. The thing is, with plastic surgery, I feel like we're in this, like, loop of talking about how it doesn't, like, do whatever you want, just be honest, whatever. But it's like, then why are we having a 10-minute conversation about whether or not she had her clit done and did she have, were her baby C-sections and was that part? of a mommy makeover. It's like, who gives the fuck? Like, I don't, I don't care. Like, even if I

really didn't like Mia, which I feel like I'm sort of in the middle with her, like, I don't, there are other reasons to gossip about someone like, I don't care about what she had done. It was very like, not necessary. And to ask if her kids were

C-sections, to point out that they have sex missionary, so there's no reason for her to get or good. Like that, that was so over the line for me and like clearly not anyone's business. And like, that just shows that you literally had nothing else to talk about besides like your concern over why she had a certain surgery done. And I love how she just sat there and kept her composure. She didn't give a shit. Well, and especially coming from Wendy, who obviously has also been, you know, critiqued for what she's had done. And we're going to, I think we're going to see more of that in the

next part maybe. But it's like, if Wendy is so annoyed with Robin and Giselle for talking about her plastic surgery, then why is she questioning Mia's plastic surgery? Like, it just is, it kind of is like this disconnect to me where in my mind, I'm just thinking, why don't all of these women realize that this is a topic where nobody actually has the upper hand on anyone else? Like, go argue about something else. Plenty of stuff has happened that you can. Yeah, right? But also the fact that, like, they're judging, the reason, like, someone like Wendy, someone like me, I guess when you come on the show, doesn't, isn't necessarily open. Like, you're not going to be like, yeah, I was a stripper.

It's because you're new and you're potentially worried that these women are going to judge you. So the fact that now you are honest and you are getting the response that you knew you were going to get beforehand is what keeps women from being honest on these shows. Right. and that it's not necessarily that she's worried about being judged because she's shameful. Right. She's worried about being judged because she knows that these women are going to judge her. Yeah, I don't know.

I do, I do like, I think I like Mia. I don't know. I feel like toward the end of the season, I was kind of iffy on her. and I feel like I am now more of the opinion that I think she should come back. I don't not like her, but I need to see more of her. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like she, she, I wasn't like, oh, I can do without her because I actually do want her to come back, like you just said.

But I want her to be more of like a front runner. I will say, I think the Potomac cast is maybe kind of unique in the sense that it feels like these women do actually all have real relationships with each other, maybe because they've all been on the show for a long time now, whether or not their friends in real life, Ashley, Karen, Robin, Jazeel, and even Candice at this point have all been there for a long time. But I do think in that sense, like Mia still feels sort of like the newbie, which obviously she is. It's her first season. But that I think in a season two, it would be interesting to see how her relationships actually form with these women versus her just kind of

being the new girl who is kind of in that role in every situation. Like it would be cool to see does she actually get closer with Karen in a second season? Or is there, you know, some conflict that starts to form? Like that would be something I would be interested in seeing. I also want to see Escala as a full-time cast member. just saying. I have no opinion on that, honestly. Ascala, I think, is a beautiful woman who has not really done much for me. So I don't have an issue with her.

I don't have praise for her. I see people on Twitter and have friends and stuff who are like, we love Ascala. And okay. I feel like because she's always, we've talked about it before where she's always just like there because they need another like. And I kind of want her. to be there. I feel like that she's the personality that like we need on the show. Right. I do think it helps sometimes to have sort of a neutral party. But I would. I'm laughing. You're like, I don't, I don't really care. I will say like I want to hear from her more because I don't dislike her.

I just feel like we haven't actually heard her perspective much. And I am sort of surprised that it seems like she's going to be at the full reunion essentially. Like they brought her in, they did the Kathy Hilton thing where they do kind of one segment without her. And then they're like, now we're joined by Escala. Yeah, she came in a little early. If you asked me for a four-parter, I was like, wait, are you going to be, is she going to be here the whole time?

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This episode, so it was a 90-minute episode, and I believe next week is also a 90-minute episode. And I will say sometimes I'm a little side-eye when they do these long episodes because it means that whatever you actually want to see is going to be still just the last 10 minutes. Not last night, honey. Not last night.

Because God bless Jesus looking over Mary Cosby, that Italian lunch, cooking party, whatever, was one of the most, chaotic, unhinged housewives events because it was like truly I was like what the fuck is happening

at this table. But I have to say two things. Last night I'm Watch What It Happens Live Andy said next episode is the top five most like intense episode of all housewives and also the fact that Lisa Barlow

it was her first time ever in the clubhouse I think she's been on before but whatever. She, her demeanor was very bizarre. to me. Like she was answering the question just in the... Every question she was asked, she was answering in the camera, not making eye contact anywhere. The way she was answering questions, she was like repeating the question, not like answer. She was very nervous, it seemed. I haven't watched the full episode yet, but we're getting to the point in the season where up until now, when they've asked about the Jen stuff, they're kind of like, oh, yeah. It was really crazy. It's going to be crazy. You'll have to

wait and see, but now we're getting into it where it's like there are specific questions. Like, how did you feel when there was a fucking swap team outside your bus? And it's getting to the point where kind of like what happened on Beverly Hills, they're probably all thinking, okay, what is smart for me to say? What can I say? Exactly. I would be shocked if some of these women haven't spoken to lawyers. She did.

Lisa did. Which, of course. So I think it's going to be a little. different in the next coming weeks about how these women are sort of handling these questions because all of a sudden we have specifics to go on rather than just like, wasn't it crazy filming when Jen got arrested? And they're like, yeah, it was crazy. Wait and see. I have to say, I've always been. I'm not like a, oh my God, I love Mary Cosby so much. Like, she's my favorite. But I've always been, wow, she's a funny character. Like, that's what I

feel. Last night, it's going to be a no for me. I am. done. I am done with Mary Cosby. I do not like her. And I tried my hardest to, to, to like, and I, no. Yeah. Nope. Nope. I think we're starting to see in Mary as she, well, as, because last season, it was this whole thing of that she was kind of separate from the group for a lot of it in the closet. And we're starting to see as she spends more time with all of these women. That she shouldn't. The way she handles disagreements and the way she sort of speaks to people is not a way that is productive. It's not a way that is at all sort of, I think, socially acceptable. Like she doesn't really seem to have a good sense of social norms in how she communicates with people.

And I have a feeling that that's because in her. day-to-day life, like at the church, nobody ever dares to speak up to her. You know, nobody ever talks back to her when they think she's literally from Jesus. That is nuts. I'm just going to, like, say it. That is fucking nuts. And I, last week, I wasn't, I wasn't here so I didn't get to recap it. But that conversation that Meredith had with Cameron at the Fresh Wolf Party, to me, it felt a little bit staged.

Like somebody, yes, we decide. Whatever. Yes. Yeah. It was. But I do think. Enter production, which we love to say. Right.

Staged or not, I think it sort of set in motion a really important kind of plot line on the show that I don't know if we'll fully explore this season. But the conversation that Meredith had with Whitney sort of in the lobby area was this week was, I thought super. important. And like, I think that's going to be, you know, if we go into like season two, three and Mary's whole thing becomes more of a main storyline, I think we're going to look at that moment and be like, okay, so Meredith has this piece of information that she got and she's, the wheels are turning. And then Whitney has this piece of information and she has these questions.

and now Mary is like burning her bridge with Whitney when she says we're not friends. And Meredith and Whitney are kind of putting their pieces together. Like, I think for somebody like Mary, if she's in a position where she could potentially be kind of exposed, I think she should be a little more careful with not turning somebody like Whitney against her. Well, okay, yes. And I know they're trying to be good friends. Like that's why they kind of treat her. like they walk on, you know, like even Whitney was like,

I love you, whatever, they're trying to be good friends. What other signs do you need to have to steer fucking clear of her? Like, and that behavior, like, she is not reciprocating that behavior to you. She's not being a good friend to anybody. I want to talk in depth about this pasta making class, but because there's so much to unpack there. But first I want to talk about this cryptic scene almost is how I want to describe it with Jen and Stee. Jen and Stee.

Because it was so weird. It is. They were almost like saying goodbye. They were like prepping each other. Well, so last week there was the scene where Stu was like on the computer and Jen was like, yeah, like make sure you're working those accounts and like all of this stuff. And it was kind of like, okay, we're talking about the business. And then last night, it was like, okay, we're getting a little serious. Jen's talking about how she's put her all into building these businesses and employing all

these people so they have food on the table. And, you know, so she's missed out on her own kids. And it's like, it feels like we're like eulogizing this business empire. Stu has been there through the good and the bad times. And they're going to stick together. And I. I'm desperate to know when this was actually filmed. Like, was that, because I could see that scene being like randomly from a month ago.

And they were like, we're just going to show it on this episode. But either way, whether or not that happened, brilliant editing, putting this at the beginning of the episode. Because of course, all of us, every single person watching this episode is like, well, Taylor said it last week, actually, because Bravo has this tendency lately to be doing this. but she was like, like, the Bravo editors work, like, beyond hard at this. And even when Jen is packing for this bail trip that she's not going to get to go on, she's like, she's pulling out the coat. She's like, I don't know if veil is ready for this.

And it's like, turns out it doesn't matter because the coat's not going to see veil. I, it was very, it was very just weird. And then they also started talking more about even their relationship. And it was uncomfortable for me, to be honest. Stu is even the one that brought her on a Vespa to the cooking class. I was like, what is fucking happening? I think it's become clear. I mean, we saw it last season, obviously.

But I think this season maybe they've been more deliberate to put in these moments because of everything that's happened. They have this very codependent relationship. And I think last season it felt more like, oh, he's her assistant. that she kind of relies on for everything. And this season, it's more like, no, he's like her right-hand man in everything in a way that feels not just assistant-e, but also like, you do my, like, I can't do this without you. Like, he, I don't think Jen can really, like, they're like a package deal, basically. Well, yeah.

Through and through. Yes. Yes. But so we'll get back to Jen. But so Mary is hosting this Italian thing. She's like FaceTiming everyone for the invites, which first of all, this is a Housewives trope. And Mary loves her FaceTime.

The FaceTiming everyone in a row to invite them to something. A group chat. A group chat. It's so like contrived to me because it's like, okay, I'm going to FaceTime Mary. I'm going to FaceTime Whitney. And it's like, ew. Like just send it. And you're saying the same thing to every single person.

And it's so much easier to get the details right. Like she clearly already has this, you know, cute little invitation that she's designed with the stock photos of what they should wear. So I'm like, just, just send a text. Right. And the thing that annoys me about her most is that what was really, like, evident this episode is that she thinks she is better than everyone. And in a way where it was like, wait, it seems like it's actually an.

issue, even the point where, like, one of them was, like, beating their eggs. Like, she had an issue with that. But she's like, oh. She's saying, like, I have to tell these girls what to wear because if, if I don't, yikes. Okay. Yes. She has said this before, and she's like, Italian street fair. Italian street fair. Italian street fair. I was like, thinking of San Gennaro fees. I'm going to come dressed as like, I'm going to come dressed as a mime. Italian streetwear. And I'm like, so when she showed up, I was like, so who are you channeling, Mary? Like, what, what are you wearing? I'm confused.

Yeah, when she said Italian street wear, I'm thinking you're going to come in like a Fendi track suit or something. I'm like, like, what were you wearing? I don't understand. Wait, Lisa Barlow was channeling Carmen San Diego. Yes, no, she absolutely was. My favorite look was Ms. Meredith March. Oh, she's like, she in her, in her middle part, slick back little,

bun situation. And this leather jacket with like a large cut out on the back, she looks so fucking chic. I think, I think Meredith is like so hot. I think the Marks family, collectively, the Marks family is like so hot.

They're very, very good looking. Truly, truly like all five of them. Hello. All five of them. I would fuck all five of them, not together.

But like, that would be fun. That would be. And Teddy. And Teddy. Teddy's even like the cutest dog. I would not fuck Teddy. No.

I'm just putting them in the Mark family. But, okay. But also like, oh, come on, Abella. The speaking attack. I'm like, Mary, wait, stop. When Jen Shaw was like, Mary, I will donate to your church. Stop.

Even when she, when she, did you pick, I don't know if you noticed when she was facetiming one of the women and she, they pick up the bunch of the, she's like, come as thy. It was so weird. She was like, uh, da, I was like, what are you even saying?

The accents were really cringe, you know, putting the names in Italian on the aprons when only half of them actually had names that trans. And just put the women's name. It would be so much cuter. I think she really just wanted to wear it.

Like, she wanted to be Maria. I don't think she cared about anybody else. Erica? Like, Heather's Erica? Like, what? Just put Heather. I don't, right. Like, I don't think Meredith.

translates to Italian either. Also the Louis Vuitton bags? The Louis Vuitton... No. I'm not getting them Louis Vuitton apron. Wait, so you just like had those are like the gift bags you had in your house? But she gave them the Louis Vuitton AirPods last season. So I don't know why she's acting like these women aren't worthy of fancy gifts.

But also it's like Louis Vuitton famously an Italian brand. You know, what are we doing here? I don't want anything like that from Mary. I don't... Same thing like from Jet. Like I don't want. want any nice gifts from them. I don't want Jen's Apology Diamonds.

I don't want Mary's monogrammed apron. Well, no, the aprons, yes. But if it were to be like like design, like I just feel like something. Right. It's like blood, blood diamonds. Not right. It's like telephone fraud diamonds. All new drinks are now at McDonald's.

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Like she got like angry and I'm sorry, that was very bizarre also. And she was like, basically she was like to Whitney, like you, you basically she disobeyed her that she told her to wear that. Because the thing is, if you wanted to say that that invitation was like a fun prank way to get back at her for not answering her call, it's like, okay, maybe, maybe. I still am not crazy about that. But maybe. But then if somebody calls your bluff on this costume thing and doesn't and wears normal clothes, which she does, I thought she looked cute.

Yes. Like, then it's like, oh, ha ha, like, you got me. You didn't wear it. Like, I wanted you to, like, wear this silly outfit and you didn't. Ha, ha. Now we're even. But it's like, married is like, she takes this as some kind of personal offense. And this is where we're getting into that dynamic of Mary is not used to anybody questioning her or disobeying her.

And now it actually makes more sense when she got mad at Lisa for saying the thing about Googling the ovaries hardening because of the whatever. Which by the way, isn't true for those of you who didn't Google it. Oh yeah. Tiffany Moon debunked that. I mean, I knew it wasn't true the second she said it, but still. To me it sort of clicks a little bit because it's like, Lisa didn't do anything wrong. Mary is not used to somebody being like, I don't know if I believe this thing you just said. And she's taking it to a level. And same with Whitney.

She's like, no, I told you what to wear. And the fact that you didn't do that is showing disrespect to me. When in reality, it's like, who would wear that? Who would actually do that? I'm sorry. that that's weird that's the only thing like like that's weird that's weird that she got mad and that did she what if Whitney actually and the Whitney was like I have all these things I could easily whip this up but I can do slutty but like that's not the vibe right Mary would have laughed at Whitney's expense

and like tried to make a fool of her which by the way I just wanted to ask you how you, like where you stand with the FaceTime thing, because here's a thing. A bunch of my friends are moms as well. People, when people call me at a bad time, you're like, oh, I'll call them later, but then you forget. That could have very well happened to Whitney. Yes, I agree. The actual timeline of like when the FaceTime calls were missed versus when this prank invitation were sent, it's like a little murky to me. But I think what it boils down to is it's all a little bit stupid because they're filming a TV show.

This cooking party is a filming event for the show. You know, it's basically like a work event for all of these women. And so at the end of the day, I feel like the FaceTime invite is more just like for the cameras. Like they're in Mary's house filming and they're going to show her calling all the women. In my mind, that's not really how the details get nailed down. It's like, no, then you get the follow up with all the actual information. And so it's like, yeah, like, okay, she didn't pick up the fun. Like maybe in some sense it would have been more courteous for her to give a timely call back.

But like, who the fuck cares? I know. It was just the blow-up. that she had and she was like calling she was like little girl and like her eyes were like opening wide and she was like Whitney cry we've like never seen like Whitney cry like that well and the way Mary so Whitney was like you're treating me like a child and Mary was like I'm not treating you like a child and then proceeds to call her little girl like six times it the actual invitation and that whole thing to me was like part one of this but the the the more you know like the more puzzling thing was how angry mary was and how she wouldn't kind of back down because at the end of the day it's like this was not a big deal and then she's Whitney is saying I just need to know like I feel like I've been here for you I love you Mary like do you value my friendship and then for Mary to say

we're not friends like that. She's like, I mean, it just makes no sense how she's kind of tossing Whitney aside. And I think, like I was saying earlier when we were talking about it, I think this is the kind of thing that might come back to bite her because we know that she has these skeletons in the closet. Right. And somebody like Whitney could have been on her team, but I think, you know, I don't know if that relationship is going to kind of come back. Right, but also the way she was reacting to the fact that Meredith went out to see Whitney was also very, very bizarre. She was like, you don't care. And Meredith was acting so calm.

I was like, I would not act as calm as these ladies because she, Mary also was not a child. You don't need to speak to her like that. Like Meredith was like, no, it's because you had the whole, I was just seeing. And I was like, no, tell her. You have the whole table. You were just mean to Whitney. I'm going to check on. Right. Like Heather stayed at the table and was being very chill talking to Mary. The fact that, right, like it's Meredith didn't pick sides. She just was like, oh, Whitney's sitting out there. Let me go see what's up. And then, you know, they had their conversation we talked about. But I think, yeah, it's so like simplistic to be like, well, why did you go get her side of the story and not mine? It's like, because it's a group scene and she was sitting over there by herself.

And so I wanted to, like, bring her back to the group. But we also have to talk about Lisa and Jen's issues stemming from this fresh wolf party. Yeah, blaming everything on your kids is not, like, the coolest route to go. It's a weird look because I think Jen, you know, as much as we rip on Jen, I think she's justified to feel a little weird about not being invited to this thing. Absolutely. Especially with her, you know, she said last week she has this connection to foster care, so it's something that she would have been even more interested in than just some basic party. And, you know, Lisa says the Jack made the guest list, which is like, okay.

That's so crazy. At the same time when they're like, why was Whitney invited? She's like, well, because I wanted to extend an olive branch. And it's like, okay, so clearly you had some impact on who was present at this event. Right. And not her nine-year-old making the list, but I loved when Heather was. was like, what did Jen do to get off the list and better yet? What did Whitney do to get on?

Did you get on the list? She is so fucking funny. I cannot handle it. When Mary's like, when Mary is saying, I'm used to not being invited, my feelings weren't hurt. And Jen's like, well, mine were. Jen actually was very calm during, I think, because she was like, whoa, Mary took the cake for this one, this episode.

But she was just like kind of explaining her feelings to Lisa. And Lisa is the one that kind of started yelling and like getting out of control. It actually, not saying, it was kind of. She was like, that's it, that's it. I don't want to talk about it anymore. Right, because you're wrong. It was kind of refreshing to watch Jen have a disagreement in a way that felt sort of normal. And warranted.

Right. And that it wasn't, because we've seen so many times in the past, her just erupt. And so it was kind of like refreshing. to see her, you know, bring up that she had an issue with something and not just start screaming because that's when even if you start out being in the right, that's when you start to lose me when you're just kind of ripping, like ripping into someone for no reason. And so it was like, yeah, but then of course, you know, we're never going to see Jen in the same light again.

Well, I don't know. Okay. But I have to say, last week when Chris and I were really, you know, we're really, you know, we're recapping this. We were like, oh, I pointed out that this week, it happened so quick. We are going to see it. That's the trailer. But we are both very worried in the sense that like, are we just going to see the trailer again? And were we wrong? Holy shit. I have to say, so I'm a lot of the time we're skeptical about when they do these to be continued. It feels unnecessary. I actually love where they cut it off this week because I think we got to see sort of all of this confusion and this, you know, build up. And I thought they did a great job of editing it. I was shocked how much footage they had of like when the police and all these people were there and they kept filming. But then next week, knowing that we're going to get to see the juxtaposition of Jen's arrest and whatever is happening with her, while the women are going to be.

to veil. And so they're going to be like on this weird trip getting all these news updates. I can't. I think they kind of cut it off at the perfect moment because it's right before anybody figures out what is happening. Yeah, I'm sorry. But when the women were chatting and like, what's, you know, like, where did she go? I hope he's okay. Should we go? Should we go? And in the background, you saw the fucking feds and SWAT team one by one. I was like, oh my, that is the best scene have ever seen. Right. They're just chilling on the bus, like, waiting to leave. They're like, yeah, like, if I was being arrested,

like, Dewey would want you guys to go party and then, you literally see a Homeland Security officer. Wait, Heather, what is HSI stand for? Yeah. They were like, Homeland Security Investigation. She's like, oh, okay.

And then they realize quickly. She's outside the bus, like, I'm usually scared of the po-po, and it's like, Heather, this is that. She's, like, joking around with them. She's like, what do you? Oh, the pop-paws here. The moment that sent a chill down my spine was at the very end when Heather is like, do you think I should call Jen and let them know that they're looking for her?

And Lisa's like, I don't think you should do that. Definitely not. Like, don't, Heather, those are not regular police officers that you just saw. Why? And watching it click for them at different times that in that moment, it had cloned. clicked for Lisa that Jen was the one in trouble. That they were like, this isn't about Shereef. But it hadn't clicked for Heather yet that Heather, you know, like, in Lisa, like,

Jen is the criminal. Jen is the one who's on the run. So if you're calling her to tell her, hey, they're looking for you. You're now involved. Right. And so Lisa is our, those, you know. Why is she calling Stu, though? Like, why are any of them calling anyone?

I know. Like, this is the moment where you sit there and wait to figure out, what's going on. Do not involve yourself with any of these people. I needed to know why an NYPD officer was there. Well, her, I don't know about NYPD because she, obviously her case is in like the Southern District of New York, but I don't like that would, but that's like a federal thing. I don't know. I mean, clearly they, I think they had, I don't really understand why they needed so many people on the scene in general. Like, Jen is not, you know, hiding out with like, a bunch of guns.

Okay. Do you think, yeah, but they don't know that. Do you think that, okay, from the, this is the part I was questioning so much. From the time she got the call, my heart was racing out, like, as if I was watching a movie, even though I know what happened. From the time she got the call, figuring out the story she was telling everyone, which is that Sharif had, I thought she said. Internal bleeding.

Yeah, internal bleeding. Who called someone or how did she get in touch or how they know how far away the person was to come pick her up? Was she not shitting in her pants at that moment being like, what if I don't get out of here in time? Right. And that's when she's, when Heather, you know, saw her outside the bus and she was talking and Heather's like, well, do you want to come on the bus and tell everyone that you're leaving? Nope. I was thinking in my head the whole time. I'm like, Jen wants to get the fuck out of there. Wait, and Whitney, yes. Jen trying to balance how do I not look like I'm freaking out with how do I get out of?

here as soon as possible, it was, it was really tense. I was not, I wasn't necessarily expecting it to feel, like knowing obviously what happens. I wasn't expecting it to feel as suspenseful and like stressful. It was. But it was crazy because then they all did start to realize like, Whitney goes, wait, she asked me to turn her mic off. Like, because then she was, they were like, oh my God. I love how last night to Chloe Feynman, obviously, who does the best impressions ever. was like my favorite part was when Lisa was like, I am freaking out because she like was it. But this was just wild. And next week I'm even more excited.

But I'm sorry. Even production was like, are you guys seriously thinking of not fucking going on this trip right now? Really? They're like, okay, so obviously we don't know what's going on either, but you guys need to go to fail. Why would they ever not also? Like, I'm sorry. Right. Like, well, and I, I can't remember who said this, but they're like, well, I mean, like, whatever's happening with her, we can't do anything about it.

So, let's just go on the trip. Can she get a personal drive? Can they get a driver? And Heather was like, the fucking Shaw Squad, someone can drive her. She has, like, eight assistants. Someone can drive her to Vail. Okay, I will say, um, Salt Lake to Vail is like a six-hour driver. you were going to have this information for me. I needed to know. And I could have,

Google. I just didn't feel like it. It's not, I mean, it's like a drivable distance. But when I heard that Mary was flying private, I'm like, why? And then it's like, okay, yeah, it's kind of far. No, but also why? Like, why couldn't Mary go on the bus? Because Mary didn't want to be on the bus. I know. But like, that would have been so fun. Honestly, I don't blame her. Because I don't blame her in the sense where we've seen her in scenes where she clearly just doesn't do well in social situations, which is very ironic to be on this show, but... Yeah. I will say, I don't think Meredith called the feds to the beauty lab parking lot because she wasn't even there. Yeah. Well, that could be why. Well, Meredith's busy in Aspen with her

dad's memorial. Like, I don't think she's being like, okay. So the women are going to be at the beauty lab parking lot at 3.30. And if Jen is, if Jen is messing with my family, then I'm going to tell No, she know, they know. So, it has to come out who did it. I mean, probably like three dozen people know they're at the beauty lab parking lot. So I don't think it like needs to be Meredith. I know. Whatever.

I, I'm so nervous. I'm already like, obviously we're going to have two more episodes this week of this podcast, but I'm already like so excited for next week. Do you want to just skip these episodes? You guys can watch the shows yourself. We're just coming back next month. Next Monday. But anyway, yeah, and obviously, you guys, our Bravo Legal Hat team,

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