Mention It All - Southern Charm’s Molly O’Connell on her relationship with Salley Carson Ft. Molly O'Connell

Episode Date: December 23, 2025

On this week’s video episode, Dylan sits down with Southern Charm star Molly O’Connell to talk about stepping into her sophomore season and finding her footing in Charleston. She reflects on her time on America’s Next Top Model and explains how wildly different filming Southern Charm has been. Molly opens up about navigating drama for the first time, the Craig and Austen dynamic now that Craig and Paige are broken up, and how group dynamics shift when new cast members enter the mix. She also gets real about sharing her mental health journey, body image struggles, and why being a little weird might be her superpower. Go to the BravoByBetches YouTube page to watch full length episodes every Tuesday: Youtube.com/@BravoByBetches Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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See Home Depot.com slash price match for details. Hey everyone, welcome back to the Mentioned at All podcast. I am here today with one of our Southern Charmed ladies. This season has been heating up, so I'm excited to chat with her about it. So Molly O'Connell, welcome, welcome. Hi, thank you for having me. It's a freezing day in New York. This is going to be coming out the week of Christmas.

So Merry Christmas, every week. Merry Christmas. Happy holiday. Happy drama-filled. Catch-up on your Bravo shows. So we are a few weeks into the season. You know, we're getting our feet wet. How are we feeling so far about it? this season of Southern Charm?

I mean, I, you know, I don't like to fight with people and have drama and confrontation, so, you know, that definitely happens a little bit this season. But it's fine. It hasn't been as crazy as I thought it would be watching it back, but we're only like three episodes in. You're like a lot of season left to go. Yeah, there's going to be a lot more drama, but it hasn't been bad. I was a lot more straightforward.

leading up to it and now watching it back. I'm like, okay, I can handle this. That's good, though, because I think for some people it's the opposite where it's like they're kind of like in la-la land once they finish filming. They're like, oh, yeah, like, that'll come out when it comes out. And then they're like, oh, fuck. No, I'm, I constantly stress out about everything way before any of it happens. So I've already been, now it's like, it's a little less for now. We'll see. I'm curious for you, so this is your second season with the show from last season where maybe you didn't know what you were getting yourself into or kind of how you would, you know,

acclimate to the group versus this season where you know who all the players are. You have now some history with some of them. What was it like kind of last season versus this season going into it? Well, so being like, Vanita and I are the only ones actually from Charleston. So I did already know everyone on the show. And so that part of it wasn't very difficult, like joining the, group I was just like stressed out about you know like oh are they all gonna think I'm weird like you know the viewers and yeah and so but I mean yeah I have now I have more history with everyone

and having the new people come in it's been fun it has it's definitely less stressful less nerve-wracking than my first season was I'm just I'm used to it I've gotten into it now yeah but um yeah having the drama this season is new for me. Yeah. Well, I feel like because this, I mean, it's a unique show in that we have these

lovely gentlemen who have been with the show for a very long time. And they kind of have a lot of the same issues that they're working with with each other in their personal lives.

You know, time and time. It's a time honored tradition. And, you know, the, we have other faces that have changed in the cast over the years. And so there is this, like, massive history with

Austin and Craig and Shep and obviously when you're on the show you're engaging with those dynamics but also a lot of stuff happened before you got there yeah yeah I mean what was it like for you kind of last season being like okay do I like have an opinion now on how these men are yelling at each other I mean I think I can like empathize with all of them and I can understand that like this isn't just a couple years of friendship they've been friends for a really long time and they've had a lot of drama go on and a lot of their issues have never fully been resolved. And so that just keeps kind of like compounding on top of each other.

And so, I mean, I always had like an opinion, you know, whether or not I voiced it very much the first season is a different story. I think I kind of like took a bit of a backseat and was like, well, I'm not in on this drama. So who am I to put my two cents in? But I mean, now I'm, you know, I'm surrounded by it all the time. And I'm like, if I have to listen to you, fight at dinner, I'm going to say something about it.

I'm going to have my opinion. They are, yeah, I mean, they're more dramatic than the girls. Truly. Like, they really are. We got some drama this season. The girls do, don't get me wrong, but, like, they are always fighting. Specifically, Craig and Austin. Yes.

Craig and Austin, it does feel like, in the last couple years, especially, they have just, like, hit this patch where they can't quite ever get over the hump of really. of really what their issues are with each other. Yeah. And I think, you know, this season is obviously a shift in the dynamic now that Craig is single. Yeah. And, you know, Austin now is no longer in a relationship with Audrey. We know.

But like, like, during the filming of this season, it doesn't seem like he's, like, that thrilled to be in this relationship. It's challenging. Yeah. I mean, well, I see, I had never heard any negative stuff from Austin, like, regarding his relationship. Yeah. I think, you know, if things were said that, you know, he maybe was a little jealous or, like, having FOMO, it wasn't around me. And, you know, maybe it was like in confidence and was maybe brought up in anger. So, you know, I never felt that, but now watching it back, I'm like,

you know, maybe there was some FOMO. And I think they also have, like, resented each other for being in relationships. Yeah. Like Austin was seemed kind of like, I think probably just jealous that page was getting a lot of his time and maybe didn't like how he was acting in the relationship. And then once Craig becomes single, I think he's also not liking the way he's acting out of the relationship. So I'm just like, where is this, where is this all coming from actually?

Yeah. And I think also because in, you know, the last couple seasons, Craig kind of had this, you know, I'm in a relationship. I'm like a businessman. I'm a public figure. Like I'm not, I'm not going out and getting wasted all the time. I'm not hooking up with girls. And it's like, okay, like, you know, now things have shifted a little bit. Yeah, he's like, I'm going out. I'm hanging out with girls. So I could see it why Austin's kind of like, man, like you were like dogging me for this stuff two years ago. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's such a layered and weird relationship that they have. I don't like, they need therapy. What was it like, did you feel like with maybe the other people in the group besides like, let's put the three of three of, three of, Three of them aside.

What was it like kind of like forming these relationships and getting to know people? And also sharing your own life on the show. I mean, you mentioned, you know, are people going to think I'm weird, whatever? I think that people kind of love that you're a little weird. Yeah, I was not. The euphonium, having a pet snake. Like, I think people find it new and interesting. Yeah.

I wasn't expecting that. I thought, you know, if I'm not exactly like all the other people on the show who maybe, in all the shows, all reality TV. who maybe like kind of curate themselves and filter themselves a little bit. And I'm like, I'm unable to filter myself maybe to a fault sometimes. But yeah, I mean, I love to share just everything that's going on with me and like even the bad parts of it and like my mental health stuff and body image stuff and all that because I always find when other people share similar things, I can relate and I feel like less alone.

So I think the fact that I'm really open about a lot of that stuff, people are like, oh my God, there's someone like me on TV who is actually talking about all this stuff and and doing the weird odd quirky stuff and the euphonium and and the snake thing. I had a lot of like a lot of prior band kids and people whose children are in band now like reaching out and being like oh my god thank you for representing this and talking about it and even with like my hormone issues and thyroid stuff people have reached out about that. So that's been really awesome getting that feedback and made me feel more comfortable to keep sharing stuff like that. I think, I mean, I think it makes it makes any show, but especially a show like yours,

more interesting when it's not, when there are things to focus on that aren't just like, whose party is it this week? Who has a crush on who? And like, who's breaking up or who's having a fight? Like, those things are part of the show. Yeah, and they're fun sometimes. But it's nice when we can have more of like a full, you know, faceted view of like a a bunch of people living real lives that are complicated and messy, but also fun and random and,

you know, a little weird sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. I think it, it adds something to the show to have people that aren't just like cookie cutter. Same. I agree. Thank you. I'm like, yeah, it's, it's a good thing. Yeah. And I love weird. Yeah. You also have a very specific reality TV background on America's Next Top Model, which I think people were very interested in when you joined last season because America's next top model is like this cultural, mythical institution. Yeah. You know, and now Tyra's in Australia doing hot ice cream. I saw a video of her like literally yesterday where she's got like a yellow wig on.

I saw that. What is happening? I don't know. She's unhinged. She's always been unhinged. I mean, like, she pretended to have rabies on the show. You remember that? She was pretending to foam at the mouth.

Like, she did some crazy shit on the show. And it was great TV. It's a little problematic now. back on a lot of it. But yeah, I mean, God, what a time. Have you seen Tyra ever since you did top model? No, not, no, not in person. I've run into Nigel a few times and we chat. He's amazing. I've loved Nigel. Noted fashion photographer, Nigel Parker. Yeah, he's amazing. He's such a sweetheart. Mr. and Mrs. Jay are both so kind. I saw Mr. Jay like in the wild one time and that was exciting for me. Yeah, yeah. With the silver hair. I know. He looks great. I know. He's like in such

good shape. I'm like, Jesus Christ. But I think it was, you know, to bring it back, I think it was interesting when you joined and people were kind of like, okay, so like she did this thing, but it's so different from Southern Charm. I'm curious, was there anything that was like similar to your experience on the two shows or like a difference that maybe like surprised you or you just didn't think of? So I went into Southern Charm thinking, so when I was on top model, there were cameras 24-7. Yeah.

When we went to sleep at night, there were motion-censored cameras in the corner of the room. Houses were crazy. So, like, if you wake up and do something weird, they've got it on camera. They know to bring the cameras in in the middle of the night. We didn't have doors to the toilets. We had a shower curtain. So it was like, you can't escape anywhere. So I went into Southern Charm thinking, like, they're going to wake me up in the morning

every single morning, like with a camera in my face, which happened a few times. Don't get me wrong. But I thought it was going to be more like that. And thank God it's not. But it's still, I mean, they're still there a lot. Bravo's like, we only do that to the summer house people. Yeah, exactly. Yes, so I thought it was going to be more like a summer house situation,

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I've talked to other people where they, when they talk about doing their first season, that it's interesting to get into that sort of rhythm of like, okay, I saw everyone, maybe I had a fight with this person, and then like because we're in this filming rhythm, like, we're going to get lunch next week and talk about it.

Yeah. And it doesn't allow you to kind of push your problems to the side because that's, you have to keep the rhythm of the show going. Yeah, like you can't not confront everyone about any issue. And if, and even if you do get together and you don't want to talk about it, someone else on the cast is going to be like, so what about y'all's little fight you had or what do you think about this?

So everyone's like meddling in each other's shit. And yeah, you don't have a space to not confront all the issues. So that is definitely hard. But it also is kind of conducive to like getting through the issues more than you might just on your own terms and time. A lot of people leave things unsaid and we don't leave much unsaid. I know. Except for the Craig and Austin of it all. Yeah.

It's like, come on, you'll have all. this time, y'all do confront each other. I just don't think they get deep enough or like to the true issues. I don't, like, I just, I'm always a little confused by it because I know they love each other. Right. Like, the boys love each other, but they hate each other too. Yeah. Well, I mean, even just in the first few episodes of this season, the kind of game of telephone that's happened with you and Sally has, it's kind of run its course and bubbled to the surface. And what was it like for you? Because obviously you made, you made the comments about her sort of calling. on guys to Vanita first, I think.

And then it kind of was like Vanita talked to... That's how it all is. Yeah, like what was it like for you kind of realizing or experiencing that sort of like spreading through the group and then coming to the surface? I mean, well, I'm not surprised by it. Yeah. And I know that Sally and Vanita are very close. So I knew pretty much everything I said to Vanita would be...

Fair enough. Would be, you know, talked about to Sally. But, you know, it's also... It's like Charleston, if you call dibs on every single guy you have a crush on, none of us are going to have anybody to date. Like there's not a lot of... It's a very small pool and especially just in this friend group. And it's like, I understand you have a crush on someone.

But like if y'all aren't a thing and y'all haven't hooked up, I think it's a little unfair to be kind of... Yeah. And she's like, I didn't call dibs. And I'm like, I mean, in so many words you did. Right. I think especially because Charlie was brand new. to the group that when you say, hey, let me know if you're going to talk to him.

It's like the implication is that you don't want to talk to him. Yes, exactly. And so it's like, okay, you may not have like literally said, I call dibs on Craig, but we all know what you meant by that. So, yeah, I mean, I, you know, I expected it all to be talked about by everyone else. That's all we do in this group. Did you talk about each other? Did you feel like that was going to be?

turned around on you to like, oh, you're projecting or like you want attention from Craig or or whatever. Oh, that I want attention from Craig? Yeah, because I think, I mean, I think that's what, you know, she might, maybe somebody could say like, oh, she, she's mad that Sally's calling dibs because she actually is the one who, like, I don't think that, but I think. I know, I never, I never thought, no, I never even crossed my mind. Um, because I mean, if, if that was a thing, I would have done it like immediately or you know once like once someone I'm into starts dating someone else like he did with page especially for such a long time like I turn that off yeah I'm not pining after people who are dating other people and so you know when I said I'm not trying to steal Craig from

page I you know I meant that last season and so yeah I never really thought that that's how it would be portrayed or thought of um I'm just I just mean and like you know if If Craig likes Charlie, which he obviously seems like he does, and, you know, Charlie likes him, who are you to really stop that from happening just because you, like, had a little crush on him? And then, you know, Madison's always there to throw the little dig like, I think she's in love with Austin. Well, I mean, she literally said, like, I'll hook up with him the day that they break up. Yeah, I mean, it's just a messy thing to say. She's a messy girl, which just makes for great TV.

Don't get me wrong. I'm like, I'm here for the mess as long as like you're not being a dick to me. Yeah. I mean, you know, was that respectful of their relationship? Absolutely not. And, you know, did I bring it up immediately when I heard it? No. But once Sally kind of started shit with me, I'm like, all right, well, it's on now and I'll

bring up all the stuff that you've said that's problematic. Right. And I think, I mean, at the end of the day, that's kind of, that's kind of the point. It's like, that's the expectation that, like, it is going to be a little bit of that back and forth. And the same way you thought, if I say something to Vanita, she's going to hear it. It's like, yeah, it's okay. Yeah.

But I, you know, I know that Vanita has seen a lot of the things that I brought up. A lot of it, you know, wasn't shown. It was a pretty long lunch that we had. And I know that she is kind of questioning Sally's, not her friendship, but just the way that she's moving with the whole Craig thing. You know, Vanita expected more, like, respect around her issues with Craig and was like, hey, you know, maybe don't be hanging out with him all the time because we're fighting. And I do understand partly, like, how Sally feels is like, you know, I can't, like, cut off everyone that you maybe have an issue with. But also, I feel like Vanita brought up those boundaries that she kind of wanted. And I think Sally kind of agreed to them initially.

Yeah. And then didn't stay true to that. So I can understand why Vanita is bothered by that. Yeah. I think, you know, from Vanita's perspective, it maybe feels like on, you know, on a show like this where Craig's been on the show from the very beginning that maybe her point of view or her perspective isn't given the same kind of like weight. Yeah.

It's like, oh, but Craig wants, Craig invited me over. So like, I can't say no. Yeah. And it's like, well, maybe it, maybe that shows a little bit where the, How you're weighing certain relationships. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's totally fair.

Yes. And I mean, even Vanita said it like she, you know, Sally, I think, prioritizes relationships with men maybe over her girlfriends. And, you know, I've even said, I think that Sally really likes the attention and, like, validation that she gets from men, which, I mean, I've been the same way in the past. I'm not really that as much anymore. But so I can understand that. as women were kind of like taught to be that way and I don't know it's just it's messy

well it's complicated too I think that's the thing is it's not as simple as like you pick this person versus this like it's when it's a real relationship and you have a you know I think vanita's calling Sally her best friend on the show like they're they have a real a real friendship it's not just like oh I met this girl yesterday and then she didn't do what I said it's like Yeah. This is a real, it's sticky. It's complicated. Yeah. Well, yeah, it is. And it's not as cut and dry as people might think. But also, you know, I mean, I feel like Sally even said, like, Charlie is my best friend. And I'm just like, how many best friends can y'all have? Like, pick one, which one, you know, my second best friend.

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show? Like did you feel like the overall group dynamic changed a lot or was it hard to kind of, you know, incorporate new people? What was that like? I don't feel like it really shifted that much. Not to say that like I don't love Taylor and I think she brought a lot. to the show, I absolutely love Taylor. And I think she gets a lot of shit for things that a lot of people have done and maybe

isn't just shown on TV. And then I don't know. I love Taylor. I know that it's probably different for Sally, not having the whole Taylor of it all. And I don't, I love Witt and Charlie. I think they're both great. So that's been fun, you know, welcoming them into the group. But I don't feel like the dynamic has necessarily shifted too much.

I think it's more just like the Craig Sally Charlie thing has started, which is definitely new and different. But yeah, the love triangle, if you will, I don't know. Yeah, I think, you know, with Taylor, it was tough because once she and Shep broke up, it's like that's always going to kind of be not like an elephant in the room, but like it's hard to really be your own person when you come on to the show in a relationship. Always going to be Shep's ex, Taylor. And I think like, you know, she, I think she did a good job.

of creating her own, you know, moments and story and everything like that. But it's, it's tough when you start on the show that way to really. And I think, I mean, Madison and Austin, it's crazy thinking back years ago, watching them together. You do forget. Right. And the way that they have become, I mean, they were, one of the things I thought was the funniest is like at BravoCon, seeing them like, they were on like a dynamic

duos panel as a pair. And it's like two girlfriends, two girlfriends, and these exes that have now become like... They're girlfriends. Yeah, it's crazy. No, I love it. I love their dynamic. I love that they're friends and they've gotten past all their shit. Yeah.

Madison gives him so much shit and like makes fun of him. And I feel like my feelings would be a little hurt sometimes. But I think he can like brush it off. And that's how she is. Well, I think they both have, it wasn't always that way. Oh, no. And it's like they had to really go and. They had to do some work and take some time.

It took a while. Yeah. But now it's like you don't even, you don't think of Madison as Austin's X on the show. She's paved her own way and she's, I mean, she's like, MVP of the damn show.

She's the narrator. She's the narrator. Yeah. You know, I mean. I love that detail of Southern Charm, the way they have someone in the cast, like narrate what happened,

what's going on in this season. Yeah, I guess they don't do that a lot with other shows. Not on Bravo at least. I never thought about that. Yeah. Yeah. It's,

It's like a, it kind of makes it, you know, we're watching our stories. Yeah. And it's just funny because Madison's always, you know, has her two cents on everything. And so for her to be the narrator and be like, well, and then Austin did this. And it's just like, it fits. Exactly. Yeah. She's good for that role.

Yeah. And she's got the good Southern accent. The good Southern accent. I don't really have one. You had like maybe like a tinge. A tinge, especially when I'm like tired or drunk. But you're from, you're from Charleston. Yeah.

I was born in Barnwell, South Carolina. And I moved to Charleston when I was three days old. So I'm from... Big move. Yeah, big move. Hour and a half. I do. Oh, man, it was stressful.

What has it been like the last couple seasons forming a relationship with Miss Patricia on the show? Because I think that's another thing that's very unique having this matriarch figure who's decades older than anyone else in the cast. But she is like a keystone of this show. Oh, yeah. I love Miss Patricia. She's so fun and like clever and just the... I mean, she's like... Honestly. And I had definitely met her a few times and I, you know, I was like Whitney's date to

the stag party years ago. And I've hung out with Whitney, obviously. And I've seen her at the house and stuff. But it was, I was, you know, honored to be invited to the party last year and felt like I've been getting to know her more and more. And I mean, it's just, she's awesome. I love her. Her and Madison's relationship is like so wild, but so perfect. Yeah. It's somehow fit so perfectly. And I mean, Madison was around forever as doing her hair and stuff. And, and, um, yes, they're like such a, they need their own show. Like, what a duo. I, that was one thing, seeing, seeing Miss Patricia still coming to BravoCon and, you know, holding court on the stage, like, it's, it's impressive. That's very impressive. I mean, I was tired. I can't imagine, like,

God, I was exhausted. Totally. I mean, give me a few decades. And I'd be like, I'm not doing that. But I feel like the show wouldn't, it wouldn't be the same without that element. No, we need, we need her. Yeah. She's amazing. And I love that she was at Bravo. She, I mean, she's like holding it down with everybody.

Yeah. And she also, I feel like she has that license to really tell people exactly what she's thinking. Oh, she can do whatever she wants. Yeah, what are you going to do? No, you're not. I'm not going to yell at Ms. Patricia. That's, that's social suicide. Like I said,

the whole JT thing, which I don't actually think he said, calling her the B word. I was like, that just doesn't sound like something he'd say, but like if he did, are you stupid? Why would you ever say that around anyone who it might get out? Like that literally social suicide, you can't go against. Yeah, I mean, offering her a cane was bad enough. He did it. He meant poor thing. But, and I understand how she was like, what the, why would you give me this?

this. You're calling me old Jesus, but like, we all got canes. That was the last we ever saw. I really, like, that's the, you pissing this for Trishoff. You're out. You're dead to the group. What is your, what is your dynamic like with Whitney these days? Because I know you guys have history on and off the show. Yeah, we're great. We're friends. He came to one of my gigs, like a week ago, and he came up on stage and sang with Shep. It was so much fun. They sang creep, and then Whitney got the guitar and was playing. Yeah. They took over the show for a few minutes. And everybody had their phones out.

Like, oh, my God. I'm like, yeah, get your phones out. This doesn't happen to every gig I play. But, yeah, we have a great time together. He's, like, really supportive of all the stuff I do. You know, he's super sweet and just, like, a good, good friend. What do you feel like, you know, doing the show and sort of becoming ingrained in this group over the last couple years? What has been kind of the, maybe like the Rose and Thorne?

of adding that element into your life. Hmm. And the rose and thorn. I mean, I think just the rose has been like getting to, you know, like work with my friends. It doesn't feel like work. It's like we're just living and there are cameras around. But like I think it's changed our relationships being, making them deeper in a sense just because I kind of understand everything that they've been going through more now going through it. the thorn I think is just

I mean I think just the fact that if you're hanging out this often like things are bound to happen issues are bound to arise and then we all have to talk about it and everyone dissects everyone's issues and so I mean that can be not fun sometimes and it's like everybody's gonna put their two cents in on something that they weren't even maybe there for

but you know that's the name of the game I guess right and then you're gonna see you're gonna see you're going to see exactly what they said. Yeah, like, I may not have been there for what they said. And I'm like, oh, well, now I get to hear them talking shit about me behind my back. Uh-huh. Well, and I feel like especially also the social media piece of it. I think Southern Charm is a show that, and, you know, this is, you need this for a show to be successful over a decade like this one has been.

People have strong opinions. Yes. People feel like they know all of you. Yes. And people feel like they are in y'all's lives. what has it been like kind of like dipping your toe into that arena where people are just like gonna have thoughts about what you say and who you're who you're hooking up with or who you're talking to like all of that stuff.

Yeah. Well, I think I was really lucky my first season. Uh-huh. Like I barely read any mean or rude comments, although I don't go on Reddit. I feel like there's probably some mean. Don't go on Reddit. No, Reddit's terrible place. For you, but just like don't go on Reddit.

Yeah. Yeah, no. And I think it'll be a little bit different this season, just because, you know, I've got a little bit of drama with some of the girls. And it is kind of strange, but I also get it. Like, I watch reality TV as well, and sometimes I feel like I know the people, but I also know everything that goes into it. And there's a lot of, like, sometimes context that isn't, is maybe misconstrued,

and you don't see every single thing that happens. and a lot of people are like, oh, well, why would they say that? Or why are they getting in on other people's drama? It's like, that's what we do. Right. That's the whole point of this thing. And I think people don't understand that sometimes. And it's like, I got, you know, I got to talk.

Well, and I think that's the thing. It's like you're kind of damned if you do, if you talk. Yeah. It's like, do you want me to be boring or do you want me to be interesting? Exactly. You want, like, I've got to put my two cents on all of the situations and the fights and stuff that happen. Yeah, you can't please everyone. And sometimes I wouldn't call myself a people pleaser, but I don't like when people don't like me.

Yeah. I'm like, why don't you like me? And I need to get over that because, you know, there are plenty of people who don't like me. And that's fine. That's life. And I don't live my life to be liked by people. I do whatever I want and I do my weird shit. Yeah, I think if you're living your life or, you know, filming a show to be liked, people either are going to know,

that I'd not like it. That's not genuine. Or they're going to be like, she's fine. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I don't want to be boring. And I don't want people to think that I'm like disingenuous. And, you know, I'm, I think for the most part I don't seem that way.

But I do feel like maybe at this year's reunion, you'll have like a little bit more to get into a little more to unpack. Yes. No, the reunion is going to be insane for everyone. Oh, man. It's going to be like a five-part reunion. It's going to be the longest day of all times. Even just thinking of everything that happened at Wittner's birthday party, that could be an hour of the reunion.

It could be two hours of it. Like, no, that's going to be a large portion of it. And there's so much more coming. What are you, when you think about this season, everything that you filmed, everything that happened, where are you kind of on the scale of like, this is going to be fun to rewatch? I can't wait to see it. versus are there things that you're kind of like, okay, this episode's going to be tough? This episode's going to be tough. I think the next few episodes are going to be the toughest.

And then I think it will hopefully chill out a little bit. We'll see when I see what everybody else is saying, you know, when I wasn't there. So that can always change. Yeah, I was more stressed for like, you know, the Sally kind of fight and stuff like that. But then, like, you know, I start kind of getting more into singing. We kind of follow that a little bit this season. That's stressful for me to see, too. But also, yeah, in a different way.

But also, like, really exciting just to show everyone that. So it's a... It's a given take. It's a half and half. If we can be, like, a little more, you know, glass half full than glass half empty, I think that's a good place to be. I feel like I'm a little more, I'm a little glass half full. And the glass half half you, we will enjoy watching and you will maybe watch through

your fingers a little bit. I'll pour it on someone. Exactly. At the reunion. Well, I'm excited for the season and I love getting to talk to you today. Yeah, it was fun. Thanks so much. And thanks everyone for watching.

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