Mention It All - Sprinter Van Survivor Ft. Heather Gay

Episode Date: December 1, 2022

Dylan is joined by Salt Lake City OG Heather Gay in the studio to unpack her tumultuous time on Real Housewives. They discuss how the show has changed her life, from fun moments like BravoCon to unfortunate relationship developments. They dig into this season, from Heather’s new issues with Whitney, to her old issues with Lisa, and why the new friends just aren’t clicking. Later, they chat about the franchise’s future (with or without Jen Shah), and Heather teases her Girls Trip experience in Thailand. Check out our latest promo codes here: https://betches.com/promos Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All, a Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With me, Dylan Hafer. We're going to check me, boo. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer, and today I am so excited to be joined in the studio by Heather Gay.

Hi, Heather. Hi, Dylan. I'm thrilled to be here. Thanks for having me. I'm thrilled to have you here. I just got to show you in our office. We have a room dubbed the Beauty Lab and Laser Parking Lot. It was like being part of a...

zeitgeist, I never dreamed possible to be in the same building as Sonia Morgan's townhouse where goodbye Kyle is on the wall. Thank you for canonizing Beauty Lab and Laser. I appreciate it. It's like you have like a wax figure in Madame Tussauds. It's like you have a room named after you in the Betches office. Literally and not only named after me, but after Beauty Lab and Laser, which I know will be around for a lot longer than Heather Gay. And so that is like truly, truly credit to this experience. Are your daughters going to take over beauty lab one day? I hope that they would follow in their mother's entrepreneurial footsteps, but I don't know. They've worked there in the summers. They like Ashley and George, my two older daughters

worked there all summer and they loved it. And they're good at it. They kind of get the vibe. We're a really unique culture. And so I'm always looking for employees that can like match that same energy. And when they came and worked there and could, I was like, I've done something right. raised him well. I actually wanted to start talking about all of the stuff you have going on in your life. Obviously, Beauty Lab is doing great. You're on the third season of Housewives. You have the book coming out in a couple months.

What is it like to think about going back two or three years in your life and all of this was a total unknown to you? Like, how does that feel? It feels surreal. It also feels miraculous. and it feels like terrifying in a way because, you know, when you're on the bottom floor, you're not worried about falling, you know, and to have my life, like it really was, I really didn't have hope for a palatable future. I was just kind of putting my feet on the floor and being a mom and just hoping not to mess

my kids up any further than I already had. And I didn't ever imagine that I could ever be a part of the lives like I admired and watched and worshipped because it just was not. not even on a cloud on the horizon. And so to think that I would be able to write a book, to go to Thailand with the all-star women of the Housewives franchise, to be on a television show surrounded by like the crew and the experience. It doesn't feel real and it doesn't feel like I'm worthy of it.

And it feels like it could end tomorrow. And then I'd be really depressed. Like if I thought I was depressed years ago, you know, with no hope, I feel like if it all went away now, you know, I would feel the loss. I mean, I do think it's obviously when you start doing housewives or a show like that, it's, you know, a job that you get hired for. But then it is, it becomes such a big part of your life and intertwined with all your friendships and your family and your business, everything that you have going on.

So, I mean, I don't know how you wouldn't kind of get into that mindset. sucked into it. Well, in the book, I actually write about the process of them, like, calling me and the entire casting process. And I spoke for everyone on the cast, but specifically for me, it felt like we were interviewing and auditioning for a new life, not just for like a job on a reality television show. It felt like we were auditioning for a new life. And I think any housewife would say, once you step through that kind of gate and you become a reality television personality, people are filming you all the time, you have a different life, a new life. And it should be that way. I was thinking about, I feel like BravoCon is kind of like a full circle thing for Salt Lake City.

Because of course, Andy announced the franchise for the first time at BravoCon in 2019. And I think a lot of people were kind of like, Salt Lake City. Like what's going on there? What is that going to be like? And then fast forward three years last month, Europe. BravoCon and it's, you know, I mean, you're a rock star there. It was like being Elvis. Like you were, I mean, out of all the people in the room, I feel like you were a little bit of a favorite. Really?

At BravoCon. I felt like I was treasured just to be there. Like, I just loved every minute of being there. I felt like it was with my people, you know? So it felt like a celebration. But for you to say that makes me thrilled because I share in that fandom with everyone that was there. But it definitely did feel full circle.

because he announces at the first BravoCon, we've never attended before. We didn't really even tour or do press because we were COVID, Housewives. And then when they would have that panel be so well attended, have us just going at it like Housewives should, you know, on stage. You have like Caramo doing your panel. Caramo trying to heal our relationships.

We're like, Caramo, hold my beer, okay? You have no idea what you're stepping into. But it felt like when we were all kind of cheering and like, It felt like a celebration of just the genre in general, you know, like we were all celebrating housewives surviving the pandemic and being back and be able to like be together at BravoCon. And I think obviously going from season to season on the show, every season is going to be different. There's changes in the group.

But you guys, from season two to season three, you didn't have any kind of break really. You did that reunion and then you jumped right into filming because there was so much momentum happening within your group. How do you feel looking back now that we're, you know, months out from that? What was that like really just hitting the ground running again for season three? You know, it was difficult because we were still kind of trying to heal and tie up so many loose ends with reunion and what we had experienced, you know, season two. And then just to be thrown right back into like where we're trying to heal, we're trying

to move forward. We're trying to like support Jen and everything that was going on. we're also still making a television show. You know, it just was really convoluted and it we were, I think we were all grateful that the show was continuing and we were invited back for season three, at least I was, but it was hard to not have any downtime in between. And especially, yeah, I mean, there's like outside factors. Obviously, you have what's going on in your life, but then it's like, Mary left the show and then like, Jenny left the show in a different way. And it's just like, there's, when you are coming back to a new season, it's like, okay, how much do we acknowledge?

that this is really fast. How much do we acknowledge that this is, that we're still, you know, you're saying like, oh, when this happened in L.A. and it's the reunion and it's like, oh, my God, there's just so much. There was so much, like, there was so much like chum in the water. I mean, it was basically that fourth wall element, too, that we couldn't speak about, like, this happened at reunion. It happened when we were in L.A. But it felt like we never got to heal from the crap that went down at reunion. And then that became what we were talking about, why we were filming the next season. Well, I definitely felt on that first trip this season to Arizona, which, I mean,

the trip to Arizona, your favorite place. Yes, I love Arizona. Shout out to the Sunshine States. But it felt like that's Florida, never mind. Going on that trip, when there's just the five of you, it did feel like shit's going to get real. There's no place to hide in this group. Any little issue that you have with somebody, let's put it all on the table.

And I would imagine you being there, you felt that even more. For sure. For sure, there was no longer like, I mean, we weren't, Meredith and Lisa were at odds, you know, Mary was gone. Jen was in a completely different place. It was just, yeah, it was like when the chips are down, like, there's a magnifying glass on the relationships that remain. And I feel like with you and Whitney especially, that's become a big thing from this season to girls trip, we have heard rumors that perhaps there was some tension there. And then seeing that also at BravoCon, it's like, it's when you look back at those moments like that trip to Arizona, that it's like that magnifying glass really, it finds the cracks in a way. It really does.

It finds the things that you weren't looking at before and it makes what might have been a small issue before, the main issue. And I think evidence of that is like these are real relationships. Like these were, these are my real friends. We have a very small community in salt. Like you can't just like blend in and never seeing you on ever again. You know, like I see these women. We have mutual friends. We are in each other's businesses.

We're in each other's lives. We have kids the same age. Like it's really, really hard to separate who you are in your life and who you are on the show. And I never wanted the show to damage real relationships I had. And I feel like that is happening. And so this is totally new territory. for me. And I think the viewers are seeing like, I don't know how to navigate this. Like,

I'm in a, I don't know what to do or how to behave. Well, and we'll talk more about the San Diego trip, but you especially going into this trip are kind of like, what is this about to be? Yeah. What are these three days going to do for my entire life? What are they going to do for me? And what are they going to take away? I mean, I did not feel wanted. I did not know why I was getting invited. Well, because, yeah, well, and also there's the whole thing of like, who's, who strip is it. The question is who was the real? Whose trip was it?

And whose trip ends it? Before we get more into San Diego, I'm curious, when you have these issues on the show and then you're watching them back months later when the show is airing, do you feel like it is helpful to have kind of added context of confessionals and other people's scenes and stuff? Or does it kind of, does it make you more upset than before? It deepens the wound for sure. It doesn't give, like what I've seen especially with bad weather is every time Whitney's in a confessional, I kind of hold my breath. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to see it. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to deepen that that rift that's between us. And I feel like that's what's been happening. We had a lot of healing and a lot of growth. And then you rewatch it, you relive it. And if you feel everything, if you're an empath and you feel everything, you know, you feel it again. And then then you have added content. that can either heal it or hurt it.

And I think we've seen that with both, you know. Yeah. Yeah, empath. I love that. I don't know. Yeah, I think you might be the biggest empath in the group. I don't know if Lisa Barlow can claim that one. Well, she's a SAG and I'm a cancer.

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Watch only on Prime. I want to talk about your venture into having the choir this season because I think that was something that sort of felt like it came out of left field on the show, but then watching it unfold in the past few weeks. it's like, oh, this is like kind of lovely. I mean, I was so jazzed about the choir. And I had been talking to Corey Chitwood, who is our choir director, Papa Bear,

and for about a year. And it was definitely motivated, like the time frame was motivated because we were filming. And I thought it would be so fun for the audience to see us actually doing this process. But I wanted to get a group together that loved music, that had some basic knowledge of music

that wanted to sing as adults. You know, we don't have sports teams anymore. We don't, none of us are going to the country club, you know, this is what I love to do is be with my friends and sing and have music. And I wanted glee for the middle aged. And so the choir has been something that I would want to do for a minute. And I'm glad that you guys are enjoying it because it's, we're still singing strong. We meet every other Tuesday. We have rehearsals. Our choir is growing. And I'm really proud of it. And every time I'm there, I think this is doing exactly. what I wanted it to do.

That's amazing. And I obviously like there is the backdrop of the church and music being such a big thing in that community. And then when you don't, when you take that away, it's like, I still, I still liked that part of it. Yeah. Yeah. Like you don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

You know, there's a part that you feel like you want to bring back a little bit for yourself and find out what works for you, you know. I remember I was in Salt Lake City once when I was a kid like with my family and we did the like tour of the, you know, like temple area. Temple Square. And we went in the like tabernacle choir building. Yeah. Well, there's a tabernacle.

Okay. It's called the tabernacle. And it's the old original pioneer building that they established. And then they've built a conference center now just bigger. Huge, right? A huge assembly hall kind of thing. But like the choir wasn't there. So instead of seeing the choir perform, we just watched like a video of them.

No. I'm like, this isn't quite the same. It is not quite the same. I've heard the tabernacle choir described. is like 2,000 voices that can sing sound like one singular note, which is like this amazing feat. And that's kind of why the choir works for Housewives of Salt Lake City, because we're home to the most famous professional choir in the world. And so you have to be a devout card-holding member of the Mormon church in order to sing in that choir. So there's got to be an offset of people

that have that ability and have that same joy and desire, but don't have the right credentials. And that's where we come in. Totally. And I mean, obviously the music is a great part of it, but also those choir auditions turned out to be the venue for some really unexpected drama. Unexpected drama. I was just shocked that everyone showed up. You got every single person to those auditions one way or another. Well, I'll tell you something. You throw a camera in a room and housewives show up.

You know, they do. They show up. You had Meredith doing her little duties. You had Whitney and Angie in those. She was Brian Dunkelman, but I didn't tell her that specifically. Jen was Ryan Seacrest. Yeah, Jen was Ryan straight out the gate. But I just said, you know, the trusty assistant that has one season in her.

Come on, Meredith, you can do this. What did you think seeing Angie and Whitney show up in those matching outfits? Okay, well, two things. One, I was like, this is a singing choir, but I appreciated the effort. Love that they had a routine. And then I was shocked that, like, here is my cousin Whitney in a top hat and matching leotard with Angie, red lips. full choreograph routine, and I'm the one in trouble that Angie showed up.

I mean, walk me through that. You're like, somebody had to coordinate those outfits. I put a poster up, and I said, show up and sing, and these two are showing up with a choreograph routine, but I'm the one that's betrayed Jen. You know, that's just the story of my life right there. What do you think about Angie Harrington's kind of role this season? Because it, obviously she is connected within the group and has different relationships with everyone, but then she ultimately doesn't end up going on the San Diego trip. How do you feel about

sort of when she's included and excluded? Well, so selfishly for me, whenever Angie Harrington is around, it's a lot of fun. She is kind of a razzle-dazzle girl. She's funny. She loves to sing spontaneously and have a great time. And she's all about having fun. And I really enjoyed our friendship. So when she's not there, you know, there's a less of a fun factor for me, but also a lot less stressed because there's so much conflict with her and Lisa, her and Jen, and I just don't want to be in the middle of either of those two because I'm already, you know, tenuous with Lisa at best. And I'm Jen's ride or die, you know, so I don't want to be put in the middle of someone she's having conflict with. With you and Lisa, I'm curious, it feels like you two, it always feels like

there's like an alternate timeline where you could be getting along so well. And I'm, do you feel like there's a specific reason why that's never clicked into place. Yeah, there's an obvious, very specific reason. I got on the show with her and she denied knowing me. And in friendship warfare, being invisible is the most hurtful thing of all. So like, don't like me because of the way I act or because of who I am, but saying that I've never existed to you, that I've been invisible to you, but yet somehow you recommended me to be on this show with you, that is hurtful. And it's really, really hard to recover from that. Yeah.

And I feel like Lisa is not the type of person to kind of like backtrack and admit that she was wrong necessarily. So if you're stuck in that path, then it's hard to really get out of there. If she doesn't know me and I don't matter to her, I'm never going to, she's never going to know me. I'm never going to matter to her. And I think she's made that abundantly clear. Mm-hmm.

And it feels like, does it feel like Whitney kind of getting closer to Lisa? is disregarding that in a way? I mean, I've never considered my relationship with Whitney to have anything to do with Lisa at all. It's just totally, it is arbitrary to me where they're at in their air quote friendship or not, you know? And so go with God, little girl, and bless you and that friendship, because I know what our friendship was. And if you're willing to trade that for this, I don't think there should be a trade up. But what are you going to do? What am I supposed to say?

Like me more. Yeah, I mean, I think that's a tough thing when you're on the show together. Obviously, you're going to be spending time together. You're going to be around each other. And you don't want to feel like you have to, you know, make your case for why you deserve to be in the room or why you deserve to be, have friends or have worth or anything like that every time they're around. No, I mean, and that's already the dynamic. And I just don't believe in that. Like, I believe that we're all women.

We have more things that bring us together than that drive us apart. And if we can just give each other a little grace and a little benefit of the doubt, then we could probably develop really, really amazing friendships. Yeah. I don't feel like housewives makes it hard sometimes. You think it makes it really hard. Right. So going into this San Diego trip, you've got Angie Harrington not there.

You've got Angie Katzenavis arranging the house sort of hosting it seems like. called that digging her own grave. Yeah, so I guess I'm curious. Do you feel like Angie Kay has kind of, like you said, dug her own grave here? Like, do you feel like she's kind of ruining her chance to really thrive in this group? Well, I don't know about this group. The moral relativity of this group shifts on a dime. So I don't know if it will endanger her future friendships.

But I'll tell you as far as it goes with Jen, Jen Shaw is not someone that likes you to climb on her back as you're getting up the ladder and then step on their hands as you climb above and beyond them. And you could physically see that and feel that happening when we arrived in San Diego. And then you physically felt the champagne coming onto your hair. You felt that spooosh of champagne. It was it was like you had seen Angie just be like Jen's number one like the sun rises and sets with Jen throws this huge party for coach does all these things. And then the second there was opportunity, you know, with a sploosh of champagne to have it all crushing down, you see like maybe that friendship wasn't sincere at all.

Do you, I feel like there's also a thing of the idea of the housewives versus the friends and that in a way, it's like if you're a friend of, you, whoever you were invited hereby or whoever's friend you are, that it's kind of like know your place a little bit. Yeah. I mean, people tell Dana like six times this week. you're a guest of a guest. That was me telling dad of that six times. You had some other people.

She was reminded. Well, I mean, because listen, guest of a guest, don't come up to the hostess and tell her what she's doing wrong. Yeah. Like, everybody has to know, you have to read the room.

And you also have to just respect that, like, there could be other things contributing to this exchange that you're not privy to. So hold your tongue and give it a little more time. Mm-hmm. I'm curious, in your group specifically, we've never seen somebody come on the show and become a housewife and stay on the show so far.

It's been, you know, a housewife for one season or a friend of. And I'm curious if you think there's something about your group specifically that makes it hard to kind of get to that level within the group. Well, I think that we've been through a lot together. And trauma bonding is real. And I think that there's an energy to. where it's like, we didn't anticipate any of the drama that's come at us. And so when it's already established and then you have friends of or new people coming in and you feel like they want drama and we're really just like, give us five minutes.

You know, we need a breather. It feels like a little bit like too much too soon, too quickly. I felt like, I don't know if you watched the last season of Housewives of New Jersey, but there was like Tracy who came on and it was like right away. she was getting involved with Melissa and Teresa. Right. Like, Girl.

Find somebody else to fight with for your first season. Yeah, yeah. Like go for some low-hanging fruit. You know, let's just like have a scuffle. Come at me. I'm an easy target. But don't go to cut the head off the snake straight out the gate. You know what I mean.

Yeah. So when you think about our two Angie's and our Dana, do you feel like there is a future in the group? Would you like to see that? stay around and continue on the show and, you know, potentially hold snowflakes in the future? I mean, I think this opportunity is life-changing and amazing, and I think it should be offered to anyone who thinks they can have the stomach for it. But I clearly do not make any casting decisions. And the only person that really makes the casting decisions is Lisa Barlow. So we really have to

ask her. It's only her friends that come on the show. And she's the one that brought me on the show. as she likes to say. So, you know, I'd have to defer to her on that one. Well, I feel like, I mean, no matter how much Lisa may or may not be a fan of you on any given day, I feel like there's no case for you not staying on the show. Well, I mean, boot me. You know, drag me, Lisa. I'm here for it.

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That's OLLLY.com. I do want to ask, I feel like when you talk about casting for the future and what the group might look like, obviously you've been really close with Jen this whole time. And I think it's safe to say her future on the show is, you know,

in a really uncertain place. How do you feel? feel about your own kind of position within the group moving forward if Jen isn't on the show? Well, it's really hard because for so long, I would say Jen Shai is the show, you know, and I still, as a viewer that loves housewives, like, we know, we know that feeling. When I say that, it's not to say that the rest of us don't have merit or that she needs, you know, but there is an element that draws you in that creates that kind of tension. And I, you know, I love Jen for all of that. I love her for the highs and the lows.

And it's hard for me, too, to imagine going forward without her because that's how it's been defined for me. So for me, it's like we got all of these great opportunities. Like our lives were changing. And then for it to have it end so dramatically and to have Jen not her future with the show not be certain. It's devastating on a global level for what she and her family are facing. But then just on a show level, it's.

it's hard for me to talk about too, you know. Yeah. And I think, right, like moving forward, it's like it's going to be, if it, you know, it'll be something different. And that's not a better or worse kind of statement. It's just like. But there's a part of me that it's like, do I, I mean, if I were, you know, do you want to play if you can't, if you're, if you're, if you're Caram alone and John Stockton, do you want to play without one of the other, you know? So I like to think it as a team mentality. And we are losing a marquee. player. And it doesn't mean the team and the franchise can't survive and can't have a banner year. But I think that we'd be foolish if we don't really acknowledge that, you know.

We got to get Meredith to work on her CEO of Fun skills, though. I don't know if she's up to snuff yet. Jen has given her that title many times and she is still, her resume is still lacking. Meredith, beef it up. She's got plenty of degrees. We need a CEO of Fun to add to it. Look, I like, I love Meredith as much as the next person, but I don't know if CEO of Fun is quite in the cards for her. No, she's my Switzerland swan. I want her for her MBA and her law degree, not necessarily her good time girl status.

Yeah, you're the only good time girl that we... I try. I do some heavy lifting in San Diego. It doesn't really go my way, but I'm trying to eke some fun out of this trip. I was dying at what you said that a yacht is just a sprinter van on open water. Like, don't put us on the boat. I know, contained spaces.

I mean, it's lucky just the shoes. went overboard and not a human, you know? Well, I really respected your choice of the Casita room because everybody else is still inside arguing over this champagne toss and you're like in your own little corner. Private had two entrances to exit. And I'm telling you right now, I am not just a housewife because I'm hot and rich. Okay, I'm smart too. And I got the isolated Casita on purpose.

Two entrances is really smart because then if somebody's trying to come for you, just scurry out the back door. Listen, nobody's going to ever disparage a back door. You know what I'm saying? And I'm a backdoor girl. So like slip on up those backdoor stairs. We'll be fine. This has been so fun.

I want to ask, we obviously have girls' trip coming up sometime soonish that you filmed. What are you most excited for people to see with that? Because it's such a different environment. And I'm sure based on, like you said, all of the stuff that you've gone through on Salt Lake City, that it was maybe nice to have a little bit of a reprieve. vibe shift. Yeah, vibe shift. But it was also kind of like, I've been playing in the kitty pool and I got thrown in the deep end.

Because these are just, these women just are smart and funny and quick. And they read the room. They read us all, right? So it was an amazing trip. But like, I really feel like you're going to see that wherever you go, there you are. And I am, did you see the trailer at BravoCon? I did see the trailer. So did you see the full pixelated version where I apparently just threw my towel down and left the confessional room?

I did. Well, I would like to both. apologize personally and globally for that moment. We were really just having a girl's trip. And what's a girl's trip without some skinny dipping? And what's, what are those editors doing anyway? Let's give them more to pixelate.

And I gave them a lot of landmass to pixelate. Live your best life. Did you, did you talk to Portia at all about her wedding? Did you see that? Yes, I've been watching and commenting and it's just spectacular. It's pure Porsche fashion, which is all I could want. Portia is a queen.

She is like when she walks in the room, you want to laugh out loud, but you also want to like whisper in reverence, you know, she just is, I mean, have you met her? And she's just so magnanimous.

I never met her in person, but I remember she showed up to BravoConn in 2019. She had sprained her, like hurt her ankle or something. So for the Atlanta panel of BravoCon, they rolled her out in a wheelchair. And she had to like hobble to the couch. And she was just like selling the bit.

Selling, yeah, selling the hobble, selling it all. I adore Portia. I think she is a force. to be reckoned with. So funny, so fun, and kind of just a real girl's girl. That's good to know. I feel like that's the thing with girls trip is you really get to see a

different side of people when they're out of their kind of natural habitat. Yeah. And I felt like with her I got to talk about motherhood and marriage and sex and just things that like you want to talk to your girlfriends about. And normally in housewives, you don't go there. You know, you don't talk about like the deep intimate issues of your heart. You fight about, you know, tweets. or whatever. But with Portia, she just goes immediately deep and immediately real. That's amazing. Yeah, she's very cool. Now, back to Salt Lake City for the rest of the season. Is there anything that you're most excited about everyone's seeing or that you're maybe least excited about everyone seeing in these next episodes? Well, apparently I had a black eye,

which I didn't even notice. But the world, by the way everyone, the feedback I got was that I have this huge, massive black eye. So I'm excited to see that. unfold. And I'm also excited for everyone to see how this season is going to end because it's pretty up in the air right now, right? I would say so. Good. I hope you're on the edge of your seats because I too would like to see how the season ends. I mean, reunion taping, who knows, let go and let God. Honestly, if people thought that season one, season two reunions were off the hook, like they should chart three to four days for this reunion. It is going to be a lot to cover. Do you have a look yet? Are you working on that? Well, I have yet to be approved on my gown. So I go through

quite a bit of rejection. I mean, I have nerves of steel now. I have to submit pictures that get rejected over and over and over. I'm hoping that Amazon will have a $200 dress that I can order online that'll get approved. And then that will be what I'm wearing. So Amazon hit me up, collab, sponsored, ad, whatever it takes. Just no like, no like jingling on the gloves. Yes. No feathers in the face. Yes. No feathers in the face. And no like, like auditory issues for the sound guys. Those are my only two directives right now. Amazing.

Well, Heather, this has been so fun. Thank you so much. And you'll have to come back when the book is coming out. Yes. I cannot wait to come. Pre-order Bad Mormon. It is a really funny, good book. Amazing.

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