Mention It All - Succession: RHONY Legacy Edition Ft. Danny Murphy

Episode Date: February 1, 2023

It’s a blistering week in Bravo news, and Danny Murphy returns to the podcast to puzzle it out. The latest RHONY Legacy rumors are giving HBO drama, but where will the chips fall? Then, they discuss Robyn Dixon’s Patreon power play, which might signal her RHOP demise. Finally, they share some thoughts on the RHOSLC reunion. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Betches Media presents Ha ha laugh funny Mention It All A Bravo by Betches podcast We don't say that But now we said it With me Dylan Hafer We're going to check me both

Hey everyone Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast I'm Dylan Hafer And today I'm happy to be joined Once again by a favorite guest Of mine and yours You know him as the co-host of The Betches Not Another True Crime Podcast

And the co-host of Page Six's Virtual Reality Please welcome back, Danny Murphy. Hi, Dylan. Oh, my God. I always love mentioning it all here. It's just heaven. You always do mention it all.

And that's why we keep bringing you back, Danny. You know, and speaking of mentioning it all, you're going to be doing a little bit of spilling some virtual reality in person, I believe. Tell everyone what you have coming up. The tea and the pino is being spilled in person on February 10th at City Winery. So any, I mean, I was going to say Bravo fans, I think everybody, if you're not a Bravo fan listening to this podcast, good for you for expanding your horizons. Shout out to like my dad may be listening to this and probably he's the only one who isn't a Bravo fan. Shout out to him for supporting family.

And that's really important because that ties in because on February 10th at City Winery, Virtual Reality Live, we have Melissa and Joe Gorga, Dolores and Polly, Gertie and Russell, and Lindsay and. Carl. So we have Jersey, Miami, and Summerhouse. It's a live podcast, Valentine's couples. We're talking about what they love, who they hate. It's going to get messy. We may, yeah. I will be there. I was at your last live show, which was a great time with Meredith Marks and with Marge and, you know, just like lots of good friends. Who else was there? Umrich. Jackie. Jackie. Jason. Oh my God. So many stars. So many stars. Some shit to Bethany Frankl. Who got real?

Oh, my God. No, the funniest. I think, like, my favorite part of that night was hanging out with Marge Sr. You know, always a, always a doll. I love, and also, you know who I love, Lexi so much. Oh, yeah. I mean, Lexi's family. Yeah.

There's a chance we might be having Margaret and Lexi on the podcast this season. I'm like, yeah, come on in. Yes. Some swera. I want to try it so badly. Oh, yeah. So it's not alcoholic, right? We don't need to plug their drink.

They'll plug the drink when they come on the show. But, no, I'm very excited for your live show. So go buy your tickets because you can come say hi to me too. Yes, I'm at party with Dylan. I'm like, now that's how I'm going to promote it. I'm like a meeting, greet with Betches by Bravo mentioned it all. Legally, you better not put my fucking name on that poster. Wait, now it's like, now we're Leah and Luan.

Oh, my God. With the holiday jingle. It's like, I said I would attend. I didn't say you could advertise that I would be there. Lordy Lord. Well, speaking of Rony contract negotiations, this has been a really, you know, it's been like a ping pong game of a week when it comes to Rony Legacy because there have been numerous updates all since Sunday night by my tally. So I'm just going to walk through the timeline a little bit because I recorded an episode on Monday and we had just gotten that first page six article that was Rony Legacy on pause. contract talks have stalled, you know, you can be sad, be happy, however you feel. Then Andy Cohen tweets, not to believe everything you read about and hashtag's Roney Legacy,

which is classic Andy, like, he sees the page six article, he knows something, but he's not actually coming out and saying it, you know, don't believe it. Because Bravo's reached out for a comment every time. So if you have, don't believe everything you read, tell us why we shouldn't believe it. I'm just saying. Right. Then yesterday, Luann told our friend Dave Quinn at people, quote, well, it's true that negotiations have stalled on the series.

That doesn't mean the show is over for good. I always said never count out the countess, but in this case, it's never count out the New York City Housewives. So that to me is a very like, I don't know anything either, but hey, you never know. And hopefully I would still like that contract at some point down the road. that is not the comment of somebody who knows

that they have a show coming. It's not a just wait and see. It's a and then that photo of her reading the article. So if you have it, it's all over social media, it's online, you can find it. There is a photo of Luann

sitting at, they said like a cafe on the Upper East Side. I want to say it was Clarks, or no, Clark, NYC in Upper East Side. With a, physical copy of the New York Post opened, open to the page that has this article about Roney Legacy, the initial one. And it's like, Countess Luann looking concerned while she, looking anxious while she reads this article. And it's like, I don't know who she contacted, who snapped

that picture of her. It's her publicist. It's her intern. Who knows? Can I give some reveal? Oh, what? Well, I don't. This is because I, because I, I love you and I love mention all. It wasn't, it wasn't a planned photo. At least, it was not, not sent from anybody on her pay list. Oh my God. So baby girl was just sitting stressed at this French brasserie. You know, I, I feel like if I were Luanne, I could picture her posting up with that article, with it open to that page for like an hour. Just waiting, waiting for somebody to recognize you to be like, oh, like pulling faces the whole time.

Just with those glasses? Until somebody, you know, it's Luanne sitting on the Upper East Side of New York. If she sits there long enough, somebody's going to recognize her and be like, this is my du moi moment. Dumas moment. Either way, it's kind of iconic.

I'm into it. It's amazing. Well, that's why I feel like, yeah, it wasn't a stage photo, but she definitely was performing on a stage of her life. So that is the part where I feel. And it was like, she probably even was like, to the waiter, like, oh, my God, take a photo of me. Wait, what?

And it just, it reminded me of the New York Times, Luann, remember, when she just was staring out the window? Like, she could just pose so well. It's, I mean, page six has always been a character in and of itself on New York Housewives. And so to that end, there is now another report that gets into some of these specifics about the contractual back and forth. and I love that we're now getting finger pointing about who is the breakdown point in these negotiations. This is what we need being filmed.

You know what I mean? I hope they're filming this waiting for the contracts to be done. It's giving this drama. It's giving succession a little bit because according to this report from page six, Kelly and Durinda have both been ready to sign on the dotted line. They're good with what's being offered. They want to get the cameras up and filming. they want to start cash in those checks.

And lo and behold, Jill Zarin might be the one being a stick in the mud that she's holding out for more money. She's holding out for a guarantee of more episodes. And she is the one that this is kind of breaking down around. And then meanwhile, according to the sources, Sonia, quote, was barely paying attention to the whole thing, which was my favorite part of the article. And also could I say, that's so you know it's real. Sony probably has 25,000 unread emails from Bravo and they're just like, we know when the direct deposit form comes,

she'll appear somewhere, but I am kind of, I'm like, Jill, she's been dying to be on New York Housewives for so long again, didn't have like a phenomenal Ultimate Girl's trip performance, I feel, was good, but not like,

oh, we need Jill back. So I'm shocked she's kind of playing this hardball. I agree because the thing about Jill, and I like Jill, I you know she's always been great to me like I think she's a you know nice person to talk to but she when you are putting together this legacy cast she's one of the people that I think of where it's like it would make sense for her to be on it but it's also not like you couldn't do it without her and she's not in a position of a sonia a Luan a derinda where they are kind of the necessary core I think

it makes sense to have her there. But I could see a world in which they would be like, okay, if Jill is too hard to work with, we'll just take Sonia, Luann, Derinda, Kelly Ben Simone, maybe rustle up one or two other names. Aviva. Aiva. Heather. Kristen. Pop a color.

Right. Like is, you know, is Cindy Bar Shop available? I'm sure she is. So it is kind of, it's surprising to me that Jill would feel like she's in a position to be that picky. Except, I mean, the one thing I can think about that is that if she doesn't need the show financially in a way that some other people might feel like they do, then maybe she's like, I'm not going to do this unless it's worth my time. Which is fair because, I mean, she's lived like over a decade without this paycheck.

So she's just looking for more fun money or anything like that. But I also, I'm like, chill, girl, all your stuff is housewives. And like, you would love the second a camera to go back up, I feel she would be in Nirvana in paradise. So I'm kind of like, just do it for us. Yeah. It's the idea, the like juxtaposition between being thirsty and clearly enjoying the attention and the experience of it all versus the money side of things. It really is two separate issues, and it just seems like there has to be a way to get them all on the same side. But meanwhile, I was going to say, I don't know if Jill wants to know this, but she's kind of with all this contracts, if she's given Bethany.

She's given Bethany. I mean, Bethany has a lot of money, so shout out to her trying to do that, but that is her. I don't know if she wants to be the next Bethany in that regard. Yeah. There haven't been very many housewives in the whole, you know, history of the world, history of the world since 2006. There have, it's few and far between people who have really been in a position of power when it comes to negotiating where they are at a level where they can ask for whatever they want,

demand whatever they want, and Bravo isn't going to just say, you know what, we'll go in a different direction. We're fine. We'll figure it out. And, you know, it's unfortunate if this show is really going to be put on permanent pause because of one person's contract holdout. Reportedly, allegedly, who knows? Allegedly.

Jill's going to come on Instagram stories in like 10 and a half minutes and be like, so I've read the article. And it's bullshit. It's bullshit. shit. I've been in Vegas selling my candles. I have been at the aria smelling this smell pungent. Like vomit. Wait, that also, I was like, because my favorite scent is like overpriced hotel lobby scent.

So I'm like, Jill, what the fuck is up? Well, she said she's been to the aria many times and it never smelled like this before. And I posted this video and people, people were commenting. They're like, I've been to the aria. It always smells great. And I'm like, yeah, Jill clearly thought that too. And then now there's something new happening. There's new developments.

She's like Aaron Brockovich in this bitch. Right. Like what's going on? Stay with us. There's a new development. It's a plot twist. The aria doesn't smell the way it used to smell. Girl, honey, ain't that life.

Isn't that life? I wonder if Tamara has anything to say about Jill causing a ruckus with Roney legacy because Tamara likes to shit on Jill. So I would love to check out. Maybe I'll check out two teas in a pod for that. That is a good point. You know, as much as I am loathe to listen to an episode of two T's and a pod, this is a situation where I would be curious to know, like, Tamara's read on the whole legacy situation.

Because if anybody's been around the contract block with Bravo, it's Tamara Judge. She is the judge. She should have a spinoff where she's just the judge of all Bravo contracts. Oh, my God. Like a peacock show where it's like Tamara, like Judge Tamara Judge. Yes. Ooh. And she just starts screaming and shouting at people and they're like, wait, why are you?

No, you're supposed to be the, what's happening here? She bangs the gubble. That's my opinion. Yeah. Okay. The way that's not a show, like, honestly. The way I have suggested like 42 delicious peacock spinoffs on this podcast and not once have I been cut a check from Peacog?

Put it in development. Give it the green light. What are we waiting for? As Ellie Golding once said, what are we waiting for? Meanwhile, Candy's getting her 45th spinoff, which honestly looks really good. So I am not mad about it. But it is like there is no, there's a bottomless pit of spinoffs for candy. I love how much that girl puts together a development packet because it's so good.

And this one exactly to you said, I'm, this might be one of first spin-offs. off that I'm most excited for in general, because it's like some, like, music that we all know has a little more, like, groundwork laid, because I'm like, okay, I love, like, we all know these two groups and everything like that. And it's going to be so fun. I do feel bad for her because I love the song's weak and rain,

so I don't know if I'm going to be on Candy's side because it's a verse battle, or no, is it a verse or is it them just together? I think it's just them together. I think it's like, like, they know that they are more powerful as a, as a unit than as, like, each going on their, own tour. But I think maybe the reason that it looks good and I don't, this isn't meant to be

shade to candy is because it's not really about candy. It's about the two groups. I think on the like cast photo I saw, Tiny is the one that's more front and center than candy which like good I mean I would arguably I feel like Tiny might be

more famous than candy. I think that I think the the proximity to TI is helpful. That's true. Because like Todd Tucker, we love, no shade to Todd, really, but like, Todd Tucker's not TI, whereas, like, Tiny's been in this power couple. That's actually very real. And I think to your point, it's actually so true because, I mean, Candy gives so much of her life to Atlanta, like, the Housewife franchise, that it's like hard for a spinoff for, like, she's like, okay, what else can I show you guys? Like, you see my entire life on Real House of Atlanta. So it's

cool to be like, okay, but you don't really see like this music aspect of it. So it's different type of content. Right. We're not going to get a spin off about her being like a co-producer on a Broadway play who doesn't have to show up to anything except like opening and closing night, which I mean, the play was great by the way. I saw it. That's not, I feel like I keep having to qualify that I am not trying to be shady to candy. It's just like there are, most people don't have 12 reality shows worth of material happening in their life. Oh, it's really impressive. And like, and I always I'm like, because just like from

a TV development producer mine, too, I'm like, she is always in Google Docs, I feel. Oh my God. She has like full networks wish they had a slate like the Candy Burris Tucker cinematic universe. I would be surprised in a few years if she

somehow makes her own network. I actually could see that for Candy. Yeah. I don't, or at least like she's got to get on Peacock. I think that's I think that's the next frontier because people liked candy and the gang. It had some interesting stuff going, but it didn't get renewed. This escape show is on Bravo.

Like, it seems like that would be a good peacock kind of vibe. I don't know where the, kind of where the bridge is there. But I feel like getting on peacock would get her sort of that, like, streaming play that maybe would take her to the next level. Oh, okay, candy. Take no. Okay, girl. Because people, I've talked about this before, but.

people, I think among Bravo fans, there can be a tendency to talk about Peacock like it's a downgrade. Like, oh, they got put on Peacock or like Miami isn't on Bravo anymore. And it's like, that's where the money is. That's where the corporate attention is. That's where they are, that's the future to, at least in their minds. And also, too, because it's like where people, I feel like as someone who may be like, if people are listening, they have friends that maybe don't watch Bravo.

I feel like a friend of mine would be more likely to just be like, oh my God, watch this new show on Peacock versus like, watch Bravo because then it's like a different, you can tap into a different audience too. Right. And Miami completely rebooted Peacock, in my opinion, because now I'm like, peacock is heaven. Yeah. Well, and especially once they, once they made the leap to have Peacock with the next day current season episodes, who needs cable? Who needs, who needs a TV? You know, it's like, have, have you ever? tried to use the Bravo app. It is the worst thing that I can imagine. I was so, so happy when

Peacock started having these current episodes because it meant I literally got to delete the Bravo app. I feel the Bravo app it would buffer and then play a commercial and then buffer and I'm like, wait, I haven't seen an inch of content. Never have I watched more commercials in my life than on the Bravo app. Never have I sat through more buffering since like 2005 when you're on the, you know, what the dial up. Literally. Like the first time you got like DSL connection and it's like so fast but now it would be excruciating.

Yeah. Like that was the experience of using the Bravo app. If you could even find what you wanted to watch. And I'm like Peacock, I know where it's at. You don't have to love it but it's a tool. But you won't respect it. It's Keelees because I'm a boss. Yeah.

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Girl, winter is so last season. And now Springs got you looking at pictures of 10. tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs. You're thirsty for the sun on your shoulders. That perfect hang on the patio sundress. Those sandals you can wear all day and all night.

And you've had enough of shopping from your couch. Done hoping it looks anything like the picture when you tear up on that envelope. It's time for a little in-person spring treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. Okay. The other major news story that's been happening

this week that we need to get into Robin Dixon has I think She has a Patreon The fumbling of the bag On the part of Robin Dixon Has been Really really painful to watch these last few days

Because we had Potomac Sunday night Whatever good episode We got the reunion looks They already taped the reunion Season finale is coming up this week There's been all this back and it was, you know, reported that they did get married last summer and it's going to be shown on the season finale,

but Robin still hasn't technically announced that or confirmed that, whatever. Then she says on her reasonably shady Patreon on Monday, she confirms that last year there was a situation that she knew about before the start of filming season seven. It's not Wolf Blitzer in the situation room on CNN. She was aware of a situation where Juan was DMing, texting this Canadian woman. And it sounds like at least Robin wants us to think that nothing physical happened between them. But then there is another kind of angle of the story where she confirms that Juan did end up with his name on her hotel room when she was visiting. Maryland because there was, you know, some situation. She didn't have a credit or something

or she lost her wallet. It's a whole it's a whole story. Called Chase, not Juan. Yeah, like Juan Dixon is not the bank. We know that for a fact. I was going to say, and this girl clearly, I'm sure she was a Potomac fan and she was hitting up Juan, have you not seen the first few seasons? They're not. I don't think he can, yeah. But so obviously the other than the revelation of

whatever happened with Juan and this Canadian lady. The biggest issue is that Robin spent this season denying anything like this that had happened. You know, Karen came with the rumors about the woman that looked like her,

walking through Georgetown, which that is not what Robin is saying what she knew about. So it's not a one-for-one situation, but she was so indignant about anybody bringing up some situation with Juan and to find out now. the whole time.

The way, Evan and I interviewed her last Monday for virtual reality. We asked her, oh, how the one room where she's like, they're all so, it's insane how women just want to tear him down. Okay, yada, yada, yada. And we're like, oh, are you guys going to get married? Ah, yes, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

That Monday she announced she gets married. Now it's announced a cheating. So I'm like, Robin, I can't even trust you now. There's no trust. Yeah, it's difficult because, and I, I, you know, I, you know. actually thought, so Candice posted a thread on Twitter about this. And, you know, Candice disaster on Twitter, Dillard Bassett. For all of her flaws on social media, I thought this thread did a really good job of breaking

down kind of why this is so frustrating and especially for a member of the cast who has gone through so much on camera as Candice. So she said, wow, a thread. our boss's favorite clapback, aka Andy Cohen, when we're playing coy about certain aspects of our lives, is your honor reality show about your life. There is no expectation of that. There is an expectation that doing no harm we show up to this platform is our authentic selves. And while we reserve the right to be judicious about what we share, there is a special brand of audacity attached to individuals who will knowingly bury the lead in exchange for damning and salacious lies that stand to cause irreparable harm to innocent people. It tarnishes the integrity of the premise of our show. It, it is. tap dances on the intelligence of the viewership that champion our stories and discover their own parallels in our lives. As an aside, she really is going for all the SAT words here. She, yes, she's completing the performance.

And when it's not that deep, it simply occludes amusement. Damn! There's a couple more tweets, but that's the meat of it. I mean, basically, she's calling out how it's not fair. to the viewers. It's not fair to the other women on the show. It specifically was done in a calculated way where then she turned around

and spread rumors about other people in the cast kind of as a retaliation for them, you know, according to her spreading lies. And I mean, I understand. I think Candice is rightfully pissed off that Robin kind of, it seems like, weasled her way out of having to talk about any of this on the season, knowing they already taped their reunion. And based on the tone of these tweets, I would be really surprised if Robin talked about all this stuff at the reunion.

I think 100% no, because it's like literally she waited for all of the dust to settle, let everybody like, I was like, why are they keep on like trying to make Charisse happen this season? And it's like as a distraction for all this, they're trying to like know like that she would set off. Karen to make some drama. Giselle was going to come for Candice. It was going to be all this, all this stuff. And then this going on. And the main thing, I mean, I understand, like, all of her cast is really pissed.

And I think a lot of fans are annoyed. I also could not imagine a world where Andy is not like, the fuck are you doing to me. Yeah. And I don't think he would appreciate it. Because also now it's like, okay, so you're doing this on like a Patreon on top of everything else. So it's like, so you're trying to profit off of the story that you signed up for to tell on this show that you're not.

So it makes me really, I really didn't before that. I was like, oh, this entire cast is coming back because I mean, this has been a really good season or like a really intense season of Potomac and good. But now I would be, I'm really interested to see how Andy and the network handles Robin and Juan. Yeah, I mean, I think Robin had already had a little bit of a tricky season.

I think a lot of people were unhappy with the way she handled her situation, with Wendy and specifically in Miami when she was being so harsh on Wendy and didn't really have any of that same energy for Mia after they got in their, you know, air quotes, altercation. I don't know exactly where we apply that word. But it was, you know, I think it's been kind of a tough season for Robin image-wise. I think there are a lot of people who always were kind of mixed to positive about her that have kind of soured on her. but this does feel like a very deliberate move,

especially with the timing that it's like, their season is still airing. Their season finale is coming up this week. They have a reunion coming up that will probably be three parts. They have another month left in the season. It's not like they, you know, like if a show finishes airing and they're taking a little bit of a breather before they start filming for the next season,

You're sort of in contractual no man's land where it's like, oh, well, I'm not currently employed by the network or the production company. Who knows what will happen in the future. That's when we see people take the show out of their Instagram bio and everybody always freaks out. And it's like, all that means is that there's no contracts right now. But I could see if Robin had done this in that time period where it's kind of like the show is dormant, that would be one thing where it's like, okay. Like, I'm bored, basically. I'm going to spill some tea and get, you know, get a couple, you know, headline write-ups for my Patreon. I don't, I don't, I'm not mad about that so much.

People play the game. Get your attention. Get your coins, whatever. But to do it right in the thick of the end of the season and specifically after you've taped the reunion where the whole point of reunion is that you're supposed. to bring all your cards to the table. You're supposed to come prepared to discuss everything.

If you have tea to spill, that's the time to do it. If you have bone to pick, that's the time to do it. And it's almost impossible to imagine that all of this wand stuff just wouldn't have come up at the reunion. So assuming

that Robin didn't share any of this stuff that she shared on the Patreon, then it's like she essentially was lying her way through the reunion, knowing that two weeks later, she's going to come online and do it somewhere else. And I saw a TikTok about how it's like, if Potomac is her big check, and then she has like a smaller podcast check, a smaller embellished hats check, and a smaller Patreon check, it's like, why are you messing with the big check to get a little more on the small check?

And also the big check, that is the reason why all the other small checks exist and kind of go from there. And that's the thing because she said that Karen played it so safe at the reunion because she didn't want to ruffle feathers. I'd rather someone play it safe than just lying through it. And also Karen probably played it safe because she's like, okay, well, I keep on, I'm going on this idea that you are just shutting down so much. So I can't really take it further. Like there can't be a conversation if someone just so simply not admitting what is true. Yeah. And also I think with Karen, obviously I wish sometimes that she was a little more forthcoming, a little more real.

But I believe fully that Karen will absolutely go to her grave claiming X, Y, Z, this, that, and the other thing about her relationship with Ray that may or may not be true. Whereas for Robin to, you know, have this party line the whole season and then a week and a half after the reunion taping, she's ready to share her truth behind a paywall. It's like, come on. Okay, I would have respected it more if you just were like, from now until the end of time, I'm not going to say anything negative about my man. Right.

And it's also so interesting, too, this entire season, Robin's been talking about an adultery clause or an adultery clause. And like, being like, calling Juan like, oh, Karen's talking about this other girl. If you don't want to address it, why are you bringing up these points that could lead into that? I didn't even think about that. We've watched more than one of those conversations with between her and Juan, between her in an attorney this season where she's like, well, you know, at some point in the past, we did have an issue with that. So, you know, I don't think it's going to happen again.

But I feel like I should be prepared just in the off chance that it ever were to happen again. When now it's like, no, you're talking about something that happened in January. That, yeah. Like, this is really recent. Oh. That I'm glad you brought that up because I, that kind of. it's like rubbing salt in the wound. That it's like if you don't want to talk about it,

don't talk about it. But then don't bring it up in a way that you have to be like weirdly cagey and coy. Because I'm like, was she waiting for want to bring it up? Because he would never. Or like, what was the, I'm like, what is the purpose? Because she even like sat him down and talked to him about it.

And I'm kind of, it's very, very, very, unreasonably shady, I guess we'll say. Yeah, I think there, it's part of a, larger conversation that it could be had about sort of these when housewives have a brand that they build off of their personality on the show. And there's always going to be a question of what do we save for the show? What do we talk about on our podcast or on your, I guess, blogs aren't really a thing anymore. But, you know, kind of just like what you decide to give to different angles and it's like if you lose sight of the fact that the show is the reason that you have this

anything or small e empire because that's whatever like that's ultimately going to probably come back to haunt you that it's like nobody at the end of the day i mean look at like stasi for example like i i fully believe that stasi is probably doing fine like she relaunched her podcast she wrote another book whatever. I'm sure, I know that she has diehard fans and it's not like

she has no one in her corner since she got fired from the show. But there is also a level of like you're never going to have the same the same level of

audience, of support, of just attention once you leave that platform behind. I think we've seen so many Bravo Labs and housewives do that. Even with Bethany,

like you said, Bethany has plenty of money. but every time she kind of resurfaces, it feels like this attempt to sort of, you know, rekindle some kind of thing. And it's like, you being on a CNBC show or doing makeup reviews on TikTok

or, you know, guest starring on Shark Tank. It's like those, I mean, do whatever you want, but you're never going to kind of reach that pinnacle again. I know what you mean. It's like you're never going to, it's not going to be, oh my God, Bethany from CNBC. No, it's Bethany from House. wives who's on CNBC. Like, it's your thing. And it's an amazing opportunity. Like, some,

and like, there are women who do the show, then they leave. And they're like, that was my thing. And that's great. And, like, because it's really hard to try to build something outside of that that would continue. And that's also why I feel like you want to just make sure you play your cards right on it. So it can keep continuing for you. Yeah. And also, like, if you think about the idea of, like, a social media following, for example, it's like there are so many housewives, fans, and viewers who, you know, they might follow Bravo on Instagram.

They follow some fan accounts. They follow maybe, maybe a dozen of their favorite personalities, of their favorite housewives or whoever. But it's like, if you're not, you're only going to be in that kind of like, you know, MySpace top eight or whatever.

Yeah. For so many of the viewers. Whereas if you're on the show and you're talking about your product or your podcast or whatever, everybody who watches the show is at least going to be aware of it. Exactly. Yeah. It's that thing where it's like when you're out of the public eye, people are like following you because they watch you.

Then they're like, oh, I don't really watch them anymore. It just kind of how it, yeah. Right. Like I have unfollowed many below decks do that hasn't been on in three seasons because it's like, you know, it's. You get to wait like, who is this again? Why am I doing this to myself? I be like, why do I follow this like blonde girl who lives in Fort Lauderdale? And I'm like, oh, and then you go to the profile.

It's like, Polotech season six. It's like, oh, right. Okay, I get a follower. Shut out. Yeah, I think I'm moving on from this. But I'm happy, you're happy, girl. It's like, it's like when you have somebody random on the timeline who just is like in a swimsuit by water all the time. And you're like, no, that's not.

You're like, this is the antithesis of me. No, yeah. You're like, how are you on the beach on Tuesday at noon? Like, what's happening? And it's like, oh, right, because you're like off charter. The whole, I mean, talk about Housewives fame. The whole like below-deck world is a whole other story. Because most of these people that are only on one season,

it's like they never get like that many followers or anything to begin with. But then there's like this, for a lot of them, this kind of like air of like being a personality. And it's like, oh, okay. But they try to see how it can linger. And then they're like, oh, it's done. Okay, got it, got, got, got. Oh, right. Okay, so if I do like skin care, that's not a viable business.

Oh, it's so sad watching how like the pivot. Okay, like, so I'll be skincare cooking now and I'm like, just no. Why are you? What are we trying to do here? I, yeah, I do think the world has enough people making cooking videos at this point in time. My fucking God, literally. I've just like, and like, they're so fast. They give me migraines.

Because it's like, and I'm like, can everybody calm the fuck down? And also then it ends up being like, Gigi Hadid's pos. which is penny all of vodka. I'm just like, and everybody, like, what's happening here? It infuriates me

and it's called Gigi, it needs pasta and like red vodka sauce. Our brains are, our brains are so broken. It's like, oh my God, the Olivia Wilde salad dressing

and it's like, it's from a book from like the 60s. It's not the Olivia. It's also like vinegarette. Right. The recipe is barely even necessary. No, literally.

Jennifer Anderson salad that A, she said she never ate really and it was a Greek salad basically with quinoa or something like right like there's there's nothing groundbreaking about a celebrity like eating a healthy salad yeah oh she has olives oh my god wow i do i do like um crystal kong minkoff does cooking video sometimes that i like it's always like it's always like like chinese foods that i'm you know sometimes not as familiar with and it just feels really casual like she would just be like making this for a snack And I do like that.

And I'm vegetarian and she did like a silken tofu like appetizer thing. And I did make that. And it is very good. That's like what I'm, that's exactly what I think I have. But I'm like, ooh, should I make that? And then I never did. But I remember. It's good.

Okay. Yeah. And I love, because I like a little kick. So it's a good sauce with it too. That's interesting. Ready to soundtrack your summer? With Red Bull Summer all day play, you choose a playlist that fits your summer vibe the best. Are you a festival fanatic?

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Okay. Because I was like a little BTT, port to tears. Or I'm BTS. I'm the band B. A.T.S. Bored to sleep watching the past few episodes. But then reunion part one, I was like, okay, some shit's going on. Heather, I love, I, I'm a gay for gay, so I like my head there. But girl, she is infuriating me with this black eye. I'm glad we have some closure with it. I'm obsessed that special K was mentioned. I feel the women woke up and their friends of are

really fun. Special K is, of course, short for ketamine. Lisa, Lisa throwing out there, when Andy's like, you, uh, did you, uh, did you? You called Meredith a pill popper, right? And she's like, no, no, no, no. I never said that. I said there was one night when you and Heather were doing ketamine. She's like, I had to look it up. I had to look it up.

And then when Whitney calls, or no, when Meredith calls Jen and puts her on speaker. Jen's one contribution to the reunion is talking about ketamine on speaker phone, which is like, the horse thing. I wouldn't have it any other way. Can I say that's all I needed from Jen Shaw this year. Yeah. There's, I don't know. It's, I do think having a two-part reunion, just the, obviously, I agree with you that they

kind of came prepared and the reunion is not as sleepy as it could have been. But I think also with the two-part editing, it's like, okay, we can at least move from topic to topic. We're not scrounging around for things to talk about. Because even though this season of Salt Lake City was not. the best. There was stuff that happened. And I like those ladies. Well, it's so funny. I was, and you were there too. I was talking to me, I'm like, they should have just aired their BravoCon panel as the reunion because that, that gives me hope that these ladies are going to

bring it a little bit more for season four. I think Wild Whitney Rose said on a podcast that I don't listen to that they're filming already, but yeah. Not on a podcast I don't listen to. I'm not shading any other podcast. It's her podcast. I don't listen to Whitney's podcast, but I like her. But yeah. Wait, so I, spoiler, I already watched part two. We won't get into it because I can't, yeah. But they do show a clip from Whitney's podcast. And I was like, wait, Whitney has a podcast. She's getting roll.

She's getting roll. I, she, you know, when she felt like people were disrespectful of her hailing journey. And that was hard. That was hard to deal with because people don't understand the, they like to minimize it. She was one of my first, I think, like, Bravo Housewives interviews at Pate Six. And it was what about like the Jen Shaw mic taking off before she got arrested? And all she said, she was like, I'm a girl's girl. And she said that 55 times.

And I was like, okay, I don't know what I'm going to do with this. But thank you. It's like when they have like a sound bite and they're like, I know what I want to say. I have it in my head. It's I'm going to give such a good answer. And then it's just complete word salad. They're like, here's the thing, I'm no filter, no bullshit. I'm like, every housewife says there's no filter, no bullshit.

And you have filters and you sometimes talk bullshit. It's fun. Right. It always comes back to me. Like my, I think it's so funny how for every housewife, the worst possible thing that anyone can say about them is that they're a liar. And it's like, everybody lies sometimes. If the worst thing someone says to me, I'm like, thank you. God bless you.

Thank you. Sure. I'll take it. I'll take it. You know what? But Danny, this is me telling the truth. And I,

and know that. It's always such a pleasure to have you on the show. Know that. No that. Important. It is a dream to talk to you all the time. Oh my God,

you are so much fun. We're just being so open and honest and owning it. I, well, I feel like there's a shaman here helping us. I'm standing ten toes down

to my truth that you should, that you should go. That you should go. You should go get a ticket for virtual reality live. Oh my God. I mean, on display we'll play 55 times probably, so it'll be worn because Melissa Gourger will be in the house. Go to City Winery, New York.com for tickets.

And it's going to be so much. Amazing. Well, Danny, thank you so much. I'll talk to you later. Yeah, literally talk to you in like three hours. Amazing. And thank you so much, everyone for listening. Don't forget to rate, review, and follow the show wherever you listen.

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