Mention It All - Suddenly, Last Summer Ft. Carl Radke & Kyle Cooke

Episode Date: February 23, 2024

Hot on the heels of this season’s Summer House premiere, the OG boys stop by the studio to chat with Dylan about their wild journey over the years. Carl and Kyle discuss the ups and downs of the relationship (both personal and professional), and how their very unique experiences have shaped them. Of course, Carl also gets into his breakup with Lindsay, and how he expects audiences to respond to this season. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We don't say that, but now we said it. With me, Dylan Hafer. We're going to check me, boo. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mentioned All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer. It's Summer House premiere time once again. And here in the studio, I am happy to be joined by Carl Radke and Kyle Cook.

Welcome, guys. How are you doing? Thanks for having us. Thanks for having us. You're good. Season 8. Can't believe it. Season 8.

I just turned 30. years old. We started the show when I was 30 and what were you, 32? Something like that. Who's counting? It's crazy. We were just talking about the how you guys had that iconic Vanderpump Rules lead in and you know, going back all the way to that. Like, what does it feel like to look back on the last almost decade, I guess, now and just see like here we are still doing this?

I mean, it's been an incredible journey, an incredible ride. I mean, I fear having children in the future and I'm watching this show back at some point. But it's really hard to police your kids. They figure out how to access things before you do. Yeah. We're screwed. Yeah.

So this is going to live on and on the internet forever. I'm curious, like, as you go on throughout the seasons, obviously you, you guys have both been in a position to share a lot of good moments, bad moments in between. Do you ever kind of stop to think about that? Like, okay, like, I've obviously I've shared up until now, but like, do I still? want to be doing this? Like is that, does that cross your mind when you're going into a new season or something's happening in your life? And it's like, wow, so this is going to be on there too. I think, I mean, going back to the to the Vanderbump cast, I mean, they were kind of like role models.

I'm like, man, if we could ever get a show to like whatever season they were on, I think season five when we crossed over. Yeah. I was just like that'd be incredible, right? Like, what would be the odds? And, you know, when I look back at what we've shared, I mean, again, I looked at how how stuff. Dossy handled fans with utmost respect. She was always polite. She made everybody feel like, you know, she'll like literally stop a dinner and take a picture. And then I think about how much that cast has shared.

You know, I think where you kind of get yourselves into weird places is when you actually do hold things back. Because most people around, you can figure it out. And then it's like, what are you hiding, Kyle? So I've just kind of always, I've never really, you know, edited or decided to not disclose anything for better for worse. Yeah, I mean, I think you, like certain things always pop up

during the season that you would never, ever expect have to happen. So I, yeah, like Kyle's point, I mean, there's things sometimes you do not want to talk about, but guess what? That's exactly what they want you to talk about. Yeah.

And I think after you, you know, after all these years and all these summers, for me personally, like I, the more you are open and honest, for me personally, I get a sense of like, I'm maybe helping myself and helping other people.

But it is also very scary when you're vulnerable about your relationship or your career. But I think that's what also makes a great show. Yeah. Kyle and I've always really tried to give this show our all. And the more we share, the better of the show. Everybody can relate to the fact that, like, for example, wedding planning, not fun. Like, yeah, we put that out there for everyone. Like, oh, my God, how this is validation.

You're like, summer should be fun. I don't want to be on the phone with wedding vendors. Yeah. So I think like, you know, the more honest you are and the more you open up, the more relatable. And that's what makes reality television work. Do you feel like, so we have a couple of new people on the cast this season, West and Jesse. I'm curious, having been through all of these seasons, you know, people coming and going, the group shifting, changing. Do you ever, do you ever feel like, okay, I like don't want to meet anyone new? I just want to like show. I love a new friend. Yeah. I think we always like having new people. I mean, it's, it's, I think it's relatable

too and like in the true form of a summer house that we've done. I mean, you're always going to have some new faces and new people pop in. Some people get it, you know, move on with their lives. But I've always liked the new, the new blood. Yeah, I mean, I actually just saw the total list of people that have been on summer house. And I was like, oh my God. It's kind of long. It's kind of a long list now. So I mean, I love when, you know, people stick around. Yeah. I get to know them better. The audience gets to know them better. And West and Jesse are just phenomenal additions. they're a bit younger. So, you know, we kind of look at, you know, some of the shenanigans they're getting into

and we're like, been there, done that. You know, but it's fun to have, you know, some guys that had already been spending time out in the hands since they kind of get it. This is not, you know, a fish out of water situation. And they just kind of hit the ground running. Yeah, I think you're actually going to see because, I mean, Jesse, there's a lot of crossover too in mutual worlds, more than it you would even, you know, expect. And I think over the summer, you kind of peel.

you actually know this guy and we're a lot. I mean, New York City's tiny. Yeah, I think those, like, those connections are always interesting where it's like, even if they weren't somebody you were hanging out with every weekend, that it's like, oh, yeah, like we're connected in this way. Like, we sort of operate on the same wavelength in a way. Exactly. Yeah, and that's kind of how I feel like the Hamptons have worked.

I mean, you kind of meet the cool people or the people you relate to. And then when you get back to New York City, you kind of have that. Well, it's like a microcosm of New York. So, you know, you have like, you know, this core group that, I mean, for the last 15 years, I feel like most of my friendships actually trace back to the Hantons because you're like, that's where you develop these friendships. You're seeing everybody on a weekly basis. And then it's like, then you're meeting their friends. And then you're meeting their friends.

And then it just snowballs. It's so funny thinking about Summer House, obviously, we've seen the same group kind of evolve year after year. And then now having a few seasons of Winterhouse, it's like such a different vibe, but like sort of similar in a way. but then it's like, do you find that fun to just kind of like go and meet a bunch of new people from a different show? Wait, wait. Can I answer this for him? There is no one in the world that I've ever met in my entire life that is like him. You could set him loose into a crowd of 400 people and he'll have the best time of his life. If he has an N.A. or a lover boy in his hand.

But I saw him firsthand at BravoCon in Vegas at Omnia. We had gotten there earlier and he wanted to give the fans what they paid for. This is this guy. He went out into the crowd. and was talking to everybody, taking pictures. He's a man of the people. So, yeah, I mean, I love meeting people so much that I actually do a poor job of, like, making sure I'm keeping up and keeping in touch with my,

with my actual friends that I've had for years. So it's a little overwhelming at times because I do put myself out there, but I love it. Like, Winterhouse was just an absolute blast this past season, totally different kind of show. I think Winterhouse, one, almost kind of paved the way for the Ultimate Girls trips, if you think about it. Because Bravo, it almost looked, they used that first Winterhouse in lockdown as an experiment

to see what happens if we crossover shows in a new show. Yeah. And I think it was, there was, for a long time, it felt like that was kind of like the, like, final frontier of like, do we do this? And I think between Winterhouse and Ultimate Girls trip and, you know, at even like traitors, kind of, it's like, having those types of shows doesn't subtract any. thing from like the original like you can still come back to summer house and it's amazing you get you just get a bunch of characters in the room that have already gone through the process yeah like

the funnel it's like oh you're a psycho too cool let's go i feel like bravo con is kind of like the the real life extension of that like it's just like yeah bravo con's a whole other we're doing it that's a whole one big corporate orgy so good so good everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now and up to 60% off. Stock up and save on the brands you love like Vince, Sam Edelman, frame, and free people. Join the Nordy Club to unlock exclusive discounts, shop new arrivals first, and more. Plus, buy online and pick up at your favorite rack store for free. Great brands, great prices.

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Done hoping it looks anything like the picture when you tear up on that envelope. It's time for a little in-person spring treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. Carl, I want to get your take. What was your feeling about BravoCon this year? because obviously there was a lot that had happened, you know, kind of between the two years. And, you know, people feel very strongly.

And sometimes, sometimes BravoCon, I find there are people who are just like very excited to be in the presence of, of anyone that they've seen on TV. But then there are always going to be those people who are like, I came here to tell this person that I hate them. Like, what were you, were you kind of like nervous about that kind of like face-to-face interaction aspect? Yeah, absolutely. I you know I'm we've done I mean the third bravo con I think and obviously the other bravo cons the love the excitement the energy was incredible you know I knew coming in I was nervous because I was obviously going to see her I was going to be you know confronted maybe with some questions and things I hadn't talked about but I was surprised like genuinely surprised and some people here you know I after the first day the response that I had from you know fans other cast members other cast members parents people were really really really kind and generous to me and very supportive, which is for some reason I felt like I was going to get booed everywhere I walked into. And again, there was a lot of misinformation and confusion for a few months. But I'm just proud that, I mean, he was right there with me supporting me. But I'm glad I went

and it was a way better experience than I anticipated. I actually made him go to the Winter House premiere the week before. He did. Because he had yet kind of like put himself into a situation where he's seeing some familiar faces. And I was just like, you can't let that be. BravoCon right you need you need like a little warm up no and he was he was absolutely right yeah but it's a testament to the Bravo fans I mean sure I'm sure there are some people that had some things to say but right it felt for our show especially I mean all things considered it felt like a lot of love and excitement for what we've been building and what we've been doing and people maybe are waiting to watch this season which you know yeah

yeah I think you guys are in an interesting position because the way that your kind of calendar is you film this show in the summer. And then there's this, you know, months long period where it's like people have, you know, heard stuff that's happened. There's been some like social media moments. And then, you know, now we have, you know, a trailer that people see and kind of like start to form their opinions. But then there's like all of these episodes of the real events.

Social media has definitely almost like complicated reality television because there's obviously downtime. You have to like take colossal amounts of footage. And make it make sense in a 42, 43 minute, you know, period of time every week. And yeah, now everything comes out on social almost like immediately because you have all these, like, sites that kind of leak things. I mean, the fandom seems like it's at an all-time high, especially with Bravo and, you know, these accounts and these fan pages.

It's amazing to see. I don't think, you know, seasons three, four of Summer House, we felt the same kind of, you know, social media excitement. I feel awesome. I feel like with Summerhouse in particular, I think that, like, pandemic time when everybody was, like, stuck at home. I feel like a lot of people kind of hopped on Summerhouse at that point. It was like a few seasons, easy enough to catch up. And then now it's like.

And I think there's a side of Bravo fans. They're like, all right, until that show gets like a second or third season, I'm not going to invest my time, my energy, my emotions. And, yeah, I agree. I think the pandemic kind of like set that apart. And then going into these bravo cons, I mean, I will say this, though, I've yet. get to encounter a fan that had a negative thing. I mean, I didn't, I didn't have anybody come up to me to say anything. Yeah, the fans aren't.

When you get messages on social media, that's the expected. I think that's the thing is like you have that kind of like, that like those people on social media who feel like extremely comfortable telling you exactly how they feel. But then first of all, that's not like representative of everybody watching something. And then also in person, people are like, oh yeah, like I, I'm not. In person, that troll actually wants a picture. It's like they're wearing lover boy merch too. Jacks Taylor told us to Kyle and I the first time we did Andy Cohen watch What Happens Live back in 2017.

He said the same people that'll destroy you on social media, the same people that'll walk up to you and ask for a picture. And I don't know why I remember that, but thank you, Jacks. Jacks Taylor, every once in a while drops out of trouble. Whoa, out of nowhere, knowledge bomb. So I'm curious talking about that kind of calendar. that you're saying where you take all this footage in the summer and then you don't see it for months. How do you feel after all these years when the season starts to come out and you're watching these episodes and it's stuff? Some of it you were there for. Some of it you maybe

weren't aware of. You have confessionals. You have kind of the full picture. How do you process that now? And is it something where you're kind of like numb to it a little bit? Or is every situation kind of like a fresh? I think early on like when you're watching like the first season, the second season, and you're still used to, like, defending everything because you watch your cast members and their confessionals basically talk shit. And, you know, it's something that they might not say to my face,

but they're happy to stay in front of a camera. That's a tough adjustment because it's kind of part, it is part of what makes these shows amazing, that opportunity for someone to, like, go from in scene to, like, talking to the camera and saying something that they might not say there in that moment. And I think that part was a big adjustment. And whenever you have a tough season or a tough episode,

you kind of have to remind yourself that, you know, your cast members, your friends are being asked tough questions too. I mean, that's just part of the experience. And you just have to remind yourself that. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely not easy, I think, to listen or hear conversations when you're not there and you're kind of experiencing as the audience is experiencing. And that's kind of the weirdest thing is where, you know, we obviously lived it.

But, you know, eight, nine months go by. And you kind of, you know, you forget some things. And especially when I was partying really hard, I didn't remember some of it at all. Like I remember it a little more these days. Yeah. So, you know, I think I've learned in recent years, you know, I try to, you know, try to watch it privately and digest it. Like Kyle said, I mean, unfortunately, part of what happens is people talk about each other.

And that's kind of what we're supposed to do. And sometimes you hear people saying things that you just wish they didn't say. So a side text gets sent sometimes. Yeah. Maybe you grab a coffee and try to clear the air. But last season, I knew the first couple episodes were going to be rough for our friendship.

Yeah. So it's one thing to go through it. It's another thing when it starts to air, you know, and everybody forms an opinion. You know, so we were just trying to make efforts to kind of connect with one another while all that was unfolding. Yeah.

because, yeah, I was privy to conversations he was having with Lindsay or confessionals and, you know, I'm scratching my head, vice versa, you know, and then it's just good to kind of squash the beef in real time. Yeah, I wanted to talk about kind of your trajectory with each other because obviously there's been some ups and downs in the last few years. You guys are working together again, like kind of how do you feel like you got to the place that you're at right now? I mean, I feel like we're in the best place we've been in a while. I know that sounds very cliche to say, but we've known each other almost 10 years. We've been through a ton together, not only personally and professionally. I had the honor of getting to marry him and Amanda. I've been very

a part of his life. And, you know, over the last few years, sure, like we were in kind of a difficult thing. I think the professional side certainly overshadowed some of the personal things and, you know, going through my own kind of lifestyle changes and adjusting to, you know, kind of what was best for me. But I will say coming into this summer, my big goal was to really try to get back to a great place with Kyle. I knew after the reunion, we hugged it out, we cried. I think we needed that moment. I think we needed to kind of both kind of understand each other that we both wanted to be part of each other's lives and we care about each other and just move past the old stuff. But when it comes to the professional side, I mean, I've always been

inspired by Kyle as a business, you know, owner and an entrepreneur. That's how we originally met back in the day. It was kind of talking startups. And so to be able to be back in the fold, I think it says a lot about, you know, the company and Kyle and then also myself being able to leave, but also come back, you know, in a different capacity. So it's not the same as it was before, but that's good. I'm going to be focused on the things that I'm wanting to do. There was like so much pressure. When our company was taking off, we were such a small team. And so Carl would feel that pressure, right? Like, you know, I run a tight show. Or what's the expression? Ship, thank you. We film a show.

A sephering metaphors. But no, I mean, look, when, you know, when we took this thing to market and then the pandemic hit and everyone was just at home and, you know, we were just struggling to meet demand. And it was just like, it was a crazy, crazy period of time. And all I did was work. And so all of my friendships kind of took a back seat. But, you know, it was very obvious with Carl just because, you know, looking back, it's like, you know, we went from buddy. buddy going out partying and whatnot to, you know, in lockdown, working, working, working, and then him not drinking.

It's just trying to like, you know, find like the new normal between us. And I think that, you know, him leaving gave us a chance to kind of like reassess the friendship, reassess our working relationship and try to figure out what we can do to kind of like build it back better. Yeah, totally. Good sleep is everything. That's why Ali's science back support is making. with a blend of melatonin and L-theonine for both kiddos and grown-ups.

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to watch with you guys over the years. It's like crazy to think about it. I'm curious for this season in particular, Obviously, there's, you know, we've heard multiple different versions of events and whatever. Watching this season play out with your relationship, do you feel, how do you feel like you are confident that like how you feel about things is going to be sort of like portrayed in the season? And that's a good question. I mean, I mean, listen, I'm a human being. I'm sure there's things that are, I'm not going to be proud of that.

between us and there's things I wish I could have done or handled differently. But I know the reality that I was living in and I do hope and pray that people will watch and I just understand. You know, I breakups are brutal and, you know, I don't want to make it any harder than it already is. But yeah, I mean, it's going to be interesting to kind of rewatch and I think hopefully it'll be some relief. There's been a lot of anticipation and anxiety leading up to the trailer even coming out. Yeah. But I'm glad it's out now. It's kind of like ripping the Band-Aid off. You got to face it.

But I'm just trying to control what I can control. And like I said, I do believe we are going to be happier in different directions. And I hope you guys can watch the season and kind of see maybe what led to that. But I don't want to get into like a bunch of PR stuff. I know the reality I lived in. And it's been difficult enough. So I don't want to make it any more challenging that it has been. Totally.

Yeah. And I think like with that kind of thing, you know, for everyone involved, it's like just because even if something didn't happen. necessarily like the prettiest way like that doesn't mean it was not something that needed to happen and like if you're moving in a direction that you feel better about yeah I mean I will say I mean being able to like I'm resetting in my life now like I'm 39 I'm I've got a lot in front of me I feel very fortunate and grateful that I've got my health just celebrated three years of sobriety I'm back working with my best friend I've got a non-alcoholic product so I've got a lot of great stuff in front of me and I try to remind myself of that because in hard times in the past

whether it was my brother's passing or losing a job, I've been able to focus on my friendships and my family and taking care of myself because that's really, I think, the most important thing. Congrats on three years. That's amazing. Thank you. Thank you. I did want to ask, recently we heard that you were on a flight with Chrissy Teakin.

I'll tell you the whole story. And I love Chrissy and John. I remember back in, I think it was 2019, I saw an Instagram story of Chrissy and John watching Summerhouse. Yes. And I could not. She's like true to this. Big time. I could not believe it. I know Kyle's cross paths with her because she has a Kroger

relationship with her cravings brand and we're at Kroger. Love her boy and Kyle was at one of their summits last year. So we've had some kind of in the same rooms and yeah, but I was at Sundance Film Festival in Park City, Utah and I went to Syracuse and studied TV film. I've majored in film and I wanted to, I've been getting involved in film projects. I'd produced a movie right after BravoCon and one of my producing partners had a film that was documentary or film premiering at Sundance it's a documentary on Lala Paloosa the film music festival so I went out there to support him we also were able to get lover boy non-alc part of the DoorDash activation out there so

it was business it was pleasure yeah having some fun I go to this variety magazine party I'm sitting on the couch talk to this person she's like I'm a huge fan of Summerhouse you should come to our like studio tomorrow and I looked on their Instagram and Will Farrell was there and Kristen Stewart Lisa Barlow was there You know, these big names, and I'm like, maybe I'll just see like Will Ferrell or some big celebrity. You know, I'm just a fan at this point at Sundance. So I go to the Variety Studio the next day, and I walk in and people are excited to see me, and I'm sitting on the couch and like, hey, we're going to interview you about your Sundance experience. Sit down with the mic and out of the corner of my I see Chrissy Tegan.

And she loses her. I mean, it was like a happy, like, oh, my God, yeah, Carl. And I was happy to see her. We had this, like, hilarious embrace, but I kind of recognize. I think her reaction, like they thought I was someone super famous. Like everybody in the room was like, oh my God. And it was like, oh, it's just like that idiot. Like it was just a funny interaction.

She in the moment says, so how are you getting back to New York? And I said, oh, I'm flying on the red eye tonight. And she's like, so am I. I was like, oh, maybe we're on the same flight. And I look at her assistant. Her assistant looks at me and she's like, you're not on the same flight. And I'm like, oh, she's probably on a private plane. She sent me a message about 20 minutes later on Instagram.

and said, hey, we have room on the flight if you want to come. I called him immediately, Kyle, and I said, yo, Chrissy just invited me on their plane. Back to New York. I already have a Delta first class ticket. I don't want to impose.

Like it's, you know, and he's like, you can't pass it up. Right, you're like, is this an invitation that I'm supposed to be like, thank you so much, but no. And I did tell Chrissy over the DM, I said, listen, I do have a Delta first class ticket. No, I don't want to impose.

I know you have your team. It's a right. I was like, doesn't matter, dude. You're going on a PJ. That's when you do it. for the story. So fast forward, I'm on a text chain now with her, you know, a coordinator of a person and we're getting the details set up for the flight. I'm supposed to be showing up at 9 p.m. at this private airport next to Salt Lake City's airport. I get there at 9. Plains on the tarmac. I will roll my bags out, walk up the stairs. First person I basically lay eyes on is John legend. Yeah. I didn't know that John didn't know that I was coming. Great. He was like, hey, Carl, what's up? Like what's up legend and then Chrissy and her team are all like cheering and excited But I it was I saw some press in what she talked about

Saying it was a little awkward I didn't like I said I didn't in the moment feel awkwardness I was more like kind of starstruck a little bit yeah, but also just like I can't believe this is happening So I sat down and John and I were kind of talking I was like I didn't even introduce myself like I got to get up and like So I got up and actually went over to him and like yeah formally introduced myself and I said thank you for You know being a big part of our show and I was like I didn't even or supporting our show and thank you for the ride home and I'm a big fan of your music. And Chrissy and I and John, we chatted for,

I felt like maybe 45 minutes. Yeah. Some sobriety conversations. We were talking about lover boy. She talked about BravoCon. Yeah, I met her at BravoCon in 2022. And she was like just a fan. Yeah.

She's like eating a hot dog in the front row at the Real House size of Miami panel. Like, she's legit. Yeah, she's awesome. And it's, you know, I've been a fan of John Legend for a long time. And they're just like couple goals left and right. So it was a nice conversation, but I did shortly thereafter. Everybody, like, laid back and was, like, going to sleep.

So I laid back and went to sleep. But I later learned that Chrissy, like, wanted to talk to me the whole flight and was mad that I didn't give her the tea on this season of the show. So, yeah, it was an incredible experience. Shout out to Chrissy and John. They're an amazing, amazing couple. But, yeah, that's how it all unfold. I got a ride home from Sundance with Chrissy and John.

And he didn't know I was there. And people are saying, we're like huge, like John Legend fans for like 20 years. I literally, the wedding band that was at our wedding, you know, they have like a highlight reel that you can kind of like preview to figure out if you like the band, you like the energy. Well, I mean, they led with a John Legend song. So I'm like, done. I had a friend. I didn't tell a ton of people about this story because I'm just not that kind of person.

Right, right, right. I don't want to be that. You know, I'm glad Chrissy shared it before I did, but Kyle knew. But I have some very close friends of mine from Pittsburgh, like, texted. And one of my friends wrote back, like, the music kind of song lyrics. And he's like, because all of me hates all of Carl. It's going to be like the remix that John Legend puts out, which I thought was pretty funny. So before we wrap up, I'm super excited for the new season.

Looking back on these eight years feels crazy, I just want to ask, I've been asking everyone. And I think the responses are super interesting. How do you feel like being on reality TV has changed you as a person? at all other than being on a jet with Chrissy Teagan and John Lachian. I think that it's very easy go through life avoiding the tough conversations. I mean, it's really easy, quite frankly. And I think I've grown a lot because, you know, when you've got 30, 40 people out there filming a show

and something interesting or dramatic or stressful or, you know, whatever unfolds, having to kind of confront some of the, these situations head on is a really empowering moment that a lot of people lose because it's just not necessarily normal or human nature to want to be like, all right, we had a huge fight last night, but it's 11 a.m. and we're sitting by the pool. And instead of enjoying the day and having a nice little drink while we get tan, let's talk about her feelings. It's like, You know, so I really do feel like the format has allowed me to really take a step back. And obviously, when you watch it back, you're like, oh, my God.

You know, that's also powerful, right? Like, how often does the average Joe or Jane have like a film crew filming them? And then it airs six to nine months later. And you're like, you have the power of like retrospect. And you're like, well, yeah, I probably should have handled myself differently. And, oh, by the way, I'm going to have to talk about that at the reunion. I mean, it's this like, it's like therapy on steroids. Yeah.

Yeah. Hasdney television. It's therapy on steroids. Yeah. Kyle hit the nail in the head with like having those tough conversations. I mean, I'll say for me personally it was a mirror into my life that I wasn't really ready to face. I mean, had I not been on Summerhouse, I don't know if I would have gotten sober, you know, because I don't know if I would have seen some of those moments in season four and, you know, even in season five with the fight with Luke and Kyle.

Like we, there was a lot of intense things that went down and I kind of watching that back was like, you know, I really would like to, you know, I really would like to. not be that version of myself. And so I'm proud of the fact that I've been able to like kind of watch some of it and grow. I'm still, you know, on a journey. But I think reality TV is really shown a mirror into some of the things that I was afraid to face. And similar to having tough conversations,

having a tough conversation with myself, that's what reality TV I think made me do. Totally. Well, I'm so excited to see this season. I think everybody else is too. And thank you guys for being here today. You got it. Thank you.

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