Mention It All - Taking The PJ From LAX To DXB Ft. Sara Levine (RHOBH, RHODubai Premiere)

Episode Date: June 2, 2022

Dylan is joined by Betches’ own Sara Levine, and they have lots of thoughts about a stacked Beverly Hills/Dubai doubleheader. They discuss Erika’s wild assertions about her legal situation, and whether Crystal’s strategy of opening an expired can of worms worked the way she intended. Later, they head to the desert of Dubai, where they share their reactions to the new show, what they’re excited about, and whether they’re Team Ayan or Team Brooks in the season’s first big argument. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All. A Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With Dylan Hafer. We'll go check me, both. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast.

I'm Dylan Hafer, and I am joined once again by Sarah Levine. Hi, Sarah. Hello, how's it going? Good. Obviously, always love having you on. Host of Not Another True Crime podcast. Bech's meme queen extraordinaire. Thank you.

You know, kind of a low-key Bravo fan. Oh, my God, a big, a high-key Bravo fan. I also just have to say at the top, doing a live podcast show for Not Under the True Crime podcast. It's Sunday at Union Hall in Brooklyn, so you can get tickets at Betches.com slash NATC Live. But we won't be talking about Bravo, although we have talked about the Bravo frauds before. So who knows? And if you are a regular mention at all listener, then you also know Danny Murphy, another favorite recurring guest. and, you know, it'll be a fun time.

Yes, I'm excited. I'm excited to talk about this because the Erica fraud stuff got brought up again last night. I was like, I cannot believe this lady. Erica is really, this season, it's like, I feel like she's the one who's bringing it up the most. And it's surprising to me because I felt like last season kind of the whole thing was like, why are we talking about this again, Sutton, shut the fuck up. And now I feel like she's the one that's like, I've been cleared of everything.

Victims. Maybe there aren't victims. That was wild to me. I was trying to explain that to my boyfriend. I was like, her husband embezzled money from these victims. And like they clearly don't have the money. And he maybe funneled it into her account.

And now she's saying like, well, maybe they got their money this whole time. And I'm like, and what? They just started a lawsuit for fun. Like what? Yeah. The way we got into that conversation was funny because it's like the morning in La Quinta. and Kyle's calling 911 to get their momosas delivered to the house,

which I'm like, okay, Doreet, do we have a problem with Kyle making a 911 joke? But then they're all just like, wow, it's been a year since that the LA Times article, because of course that was last year at Lakeinta when Satton was like, I'm the only one who read the article. And Erica's like, yeah, it's been a fucking year. I've been dragged through the mud for something that. Not only did I not do, but maybe it didn't even happen. Like, yeah, that's the defense you're going with. Okay.

It's just like, it's obviously I know that there are certain things that haven't been admitted to or like Tom maybe, I mean, now he probably can't like remember anything. But like, I know that he hasn't necessarily admitted to doing all of this stuff. So it's still like alleged. But it has never really felt like the part that's up for debate is like were people scammed. Right. I thought that was kind of a given. It was like, did Erica know about it? Exactly.

And I don't really have a problem with Erica defending herself and saying, I didn't know about it. Yeah. But now for her to sort of out of the blue bring up the like, well, Garcel, maybe the reason I didn't show compassion is because all these people were lying. It's like, wait. If you're going to bring that up, there's got to be some, there's got to be some like evidence or like a paper trail there. Like that you can't just like throw that out there. That seems so easy to debunk. Like did the money go to their accounts?

Yes or no. It's like that other, the other sound in Real House of Sussex City where Lisa's like, it's a yes or no. Oh, let me think about that. It's a yes or no. Yeah. Like, you know, did they pay it out or did Tom just funnel it into Erica Jane,

Inc. Or whatever the name was. Right. And it still feels like for whatever reason, she thinks it makes her look better to call. cast dispersions and call into question all of these details that for most people, I think even people who are, think Erica is mostly innocent when it comes to like knowing about stuff. Right.

I don't think the people that think Erica didn't know are saying the victims are lying. Like that seems like a really a big stretch. And it just makes her look even like, it makes her look heartless all over again to be like, they were probably lying. Yeah, I know. She's, she's pretty horrible. I got to say. She also, she just.

thinks she's a comedian this season. Like when she was on Watch What Happens Live a few weeks ago and she's like cracking jokes. And then this episode when she's like, I've lived here a year, finally figured out the thermostat. I'm like, okay. Like I think she thinks like that kind of stuff makes her like softer and more likable. And it's like you still just seem kind of out of touch. Yeah. Just just saying like I didn't actually have it that hard would do a lot of good for that image.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah. But so Crystal, this is the morning after Crystal has left the Lakinta house in, you know, an emotional state after the, all the stuff with last year, got brought up again. Garcel, um, blossoming into a really great housewife, plays producer and calls Crystal and it's like, just come back to the house for 10 minutes.

We have to have this talk. My God. So Crystal comes back. And everybody seems to be kind of confused or like trying to figure out. why she had this reaction the night before. And, you know, Kyle's like, oh, well, I, you know, I think, I think that she was mad that we cared more about Derreet's emotional thing and we're comparing it. And Erica says that she was triggered by them not validating Sutton's feelings.

Oh, my God. Everybody's triggered. I'm confused. What did Erica have to do with this? I know. I know. Like, I feel like Erica in certain moments is like trying to be the voice of reason. And then she's like talking about victims lying and it's like, oh, we're back to square zero.

Totally. My boyfriend was like, so which one of these is like actually a good person? And I was like, like a good, nice person. And I was like, maybe Garcel, but like nobody. That's not really the point. Yeah. It's not the point. But I'm also like, there's nobody who's just like the nice one. I guess carcel. Yeah. If you're just the nice one, I don't think you really like stick around on how. That's very true. But yeah. So Crystal comes and she says that she felt last year that there was this campaign to negate how she was feeling. And Derreet brings up again her comment the night before about the group of women not feeling like a safe space.

And I get that Derreet is in a very fragile place right now. Yeah. We're clearly seeing that. However, I think Derreet is misunderstanding the idea of a safe space. Yeah. Agree. Crystal is not implying that her like physical safety is in jeopardy in the way that Derreitz was when she was held at gunpoint.

And I think Doreet is like trying to draw a connection there that's like a little bit in bad faith. I agree. And I think a lot of these women just really like, I mean, they all just tone police crystal. And like nitpick at her wording. And I don't get what that's about. I mean, sometimes I'm like, well, could I see their side of her word choice being a little dramatic, especially when she plays the like, I have a secret, but I can't tell you what it is game. Yeah.

Like that aspect I understand. But like feeling violated when someone barges into your room, I think is a perfectly apt way of describing it. Yeah. Like they, I don't, this tone policing is really weird. It rubs me the wrong way. Yeah. And I think there's a difference between like you use the word dramatic.

And I think that's like an appropriate thing to say like maybe you were a little dramatic when you described something. But that doesn't mean you like used an inappropriate word or were like so so overstating what happened. It's like if you can look like if you look up in the dictionary what violated means or what safe space. you know, like all of this stuff. It's like she's not miss speaking.

She just is choosing words that other people are having reactions to. Right. And I kind of wonder if there's a reason that they're not just like accusing her of being dramatic and they're instead going for this like nitpicking word angle. Like I don't know what that's made of. Yeah. But so you mentioned what she says about the Sutton's dark comments. So she says that last year there was this campaign to downplay her feelings.

and Garcell brings up, she says that she felt like it was this calculated thing when she said, like, oh, you're that girl who doesn't see color to Sutton. And I did feel like it was a little bit out of left field for Garcel to bring this up. But then Crystal's immediate reaction is to say, well, you weren't there so you don't have the full context. And before I made that comment to Sutton, Sutton had said this dark stuff that kind of precipitated that. And it's, I mean, as much, we don't know what Sutton theoretically said.

So it's hard to really like have a take on this. Does she mean like before they even had that conversation with Kyle? Because I'm like, why don't we just roll the tape? Exactly. It's a little bit like roll footage if there is footage. And but then as a viewer, not knowing what Crystal is saying that Sutton said, it's hard for me to really have an opinion on whether dark. is the right word to describe it or whether it's kind of relevant information in the moment.

But I mean, Crystal is really adamant that this kind of whatever Sutton said would explain her comment to Sutton, but then she's also really adamant that she's not going to share what that was. And so it kind of puts us as the viewers and I think all the other women in the group in a really awkward position because I mean, Garcell is like Sutton's by BFF. if she said like a racial slur, I would like to know. Yeah. But Crystal isn't even really saying like she's not even really like hinting at what something said. Yeah.

She just said it was problematic, which I mean can run the gamut from so many things. And I can't understand the women's frustration because you can't make an informed decision on something where you don't have the information. So I also kind of feel. But then it's like you should trust people when they make accusations like that. So it's kind of like a tricky place to be in. Exactly. And that's the thing watching it and trying to be trying to sort of like parse out the exact dynamic. It's like I don't think that Crystal is like so wrong and like making shit up to make Sutton look bad because I mean Crystal. I think Sutton kind of did that on her own. Yeah. And Crystal has said that she and Sutton are good now. That's part of why she doesn't want to totally air out all of this stuff because she doesn't she's not trying to throw Sutton under the bus. She felt like this was. kind of the way to defend herself when Garcel accused her of doing this like set up.

Although one thing that I did think was very funny was in Crystal's talking head when she goes Garcel saying I set Sutton Up is a very big accusation. If you're accused of murder and like she goes right into it. I was like oh my God lady. Relax. It's like okay the burden of proof. Exactly. I mean I get I mean it's an analogy which I just thought it was funny that you're going from like this this comment to murder. Right. Right. She's like, if I, if I, if I hit somebody with my car, it's like, what, what?

Right. Like, why does it need to go there? Yeah. And it just is like, it kind of sets a strange tone. And then we bring this back from Lakeinta to Sutton's store because of course, you know Kyle's not going to let a group event go by without bringing this up again. Yeah. With, with Sutton and Garcel and Crystal all in the room.

But yeah, it's just like. Like, there's kind of, it's like, there's just like, mysterious package in the middle of the room. And you are, it's like, okay, like, we can't, we're not allowed to open it, but now we have to, like, acknowledge that it's there. Right. It's very big, like, I have a secret, but I can't tell you what it is energy. So I get why the women are annoyed. Yeah. And like, and like, and then Sutton's, Sutton's reaction when it comes up at her party is very like, no, it's all good. It's all good. Like, we don't, we don't need to talk about it. We're all being positive. that you open the can of worms, but it's expired. So there's no point in saying it. And like, I...

I mean, from a self-preservation angle, I do understand that response. Right. She's like, go girl, Crystal. You don't have to say it. Exactly. Yeah. That makes it almost a little tougher because it's like... Then if something did say something bad, it's like it would benefit her for it not to be out there. Yeah, that's for sure.

This cast also just, I feel like Beverly Hills... tends to have a lot of this stuff where it's like, you're talking about something that was said off camera or some drama that happened, you know, when the cameras weren't there or when it wasn't during filming. And there's been this like social media drama this week between like Rina and Kathy's assistant. I saw that. Were they,

she like posted his phone number and then he posted hers as retaliation. Like it's like, what are we? Rina has gotten, I think, she's like descended into a lot of social media. a messiness that I think used to feel a little bit more fun. And now it's just kind of like, girl,

what are you doing? Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it went from like cheeky like comments by celebs to now like, wait a second. Why are you like doxing people? Right. And being,

I feel like there's a, there's a big gap between commenting something a little like cheeky and shady on somebody else's post or like, you know, alluding to something in a story versus like straight up being like, this person. and as scum and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm going to post texts from that make them look bad.

It's like it just feels like Lisa Rina shouldn't really need to do that. Yeah, I feel like she shouldn't either. Just do your dancing videos, girl. We love them. I know. It is sad to hear in this episode that her mom is not doing well. And it's on Hoskison. We know that she ended up passing away, which I'm sure we'll see more of on the season.

But it is tough. And like the Derreet, the Derreet stuff, it's just like, it is so intense. Like the scenes with her and P.K. I love, I can't even lie. I love her and P.K. now, like, P.K. used to feel so, like, distasteful. And I'm just like, oh, I love this little British man. Oh, my God. I actually, so I had only started watching Beverly Hills last season. Yeah. And to be fair, I don't think I really missed anything. So I tried to watch half the, like Denise Richard season, then got bored midway through. So I think I had all the context. But yeah, I do like Doree and Pek. Um, although I, yeah, I mean, I like them together. I don't.

get as much of Dorit's fake accent as everybody has hyped it up to be on social media is my only thing. Okay. Maybe it's, maybe she's toned it down a little bit. She must have because I pick on it up on it like a tiny bit, but it's not nearly as bad as like I thought going in. I'm like, damn it. I want a fake accent. Yeah. No, I think it's like, I think like people who have watched the show since she's on, I think it's like become this thing in your mind. But it's like the, I know you listen to watch what crap And like the way they do it is like so heightened. So funny. Yes.

But yeah. And like Sutton and Diana have this scene together. And Diana's talking about how her accent is kind of like a like a, I don't know. What's the word? Like it kind of gets to her sometimes if people make fun of that. Oh, I got you. Like how she grew up. Like it is kind of interesting to hear her take on that because I don't know.

It's like, oh, like having an accent is fun. And like it makes sense that for somebody who's been through stuff like her, like she could kind of have residual trauma, I guess, from that. Yeah, for sure. I get it. Have you, are you familiar with EMDR therapy that Dorete does in this episode? No, that sounded. Yeah, it sounded almost like emergent therapy.

It was pretty, it looked pretty intense. It did look intense. I want to know more about like this woman that comes to your house and is like, scares a shit out of you. Like, do you know what it stands for? Wait, I looked it up. Let me, eye movement, desensitization, and reprocessing. Okay, that was not what I was going to go with like electromagnetic something, but okay.

But okay. So this one of the first question that comes up when you Google it is why is EMDR so controversial, which of course I'm like, give it the tea. Of course they did it on the real housewives, of course. So this article, which is from good, good therapy.org, don't quote me. There are polarizing beliefs when it comes to eye movement, blah, blah, blah. On one end, it is viewed as an a plus cure all treatment for. mental health symptoms.

Okay, that's sucks. On the other, critics see it as a treatment akin to modern day snake oil. Okay. On the one hand, it'll cure all your problems. On the other hand, maybe it's a total scam. It temporarily slows your overstimulated amygdala down and synchronizes your brain waves,

helping you process the traumatic memory. Hmm. I mean, they would go after some pseudoscience on the real housewives. I feel like all their therapy is always just fake. anyway. Yeah, I almost would rather see this like misty woo-woo like treatment than like couples therapy where it's just like, I think you should talk to each other. At least here there's like some like funky science going on. I agree. I love it. Her amygdala is being stimulated. Love it. I do I do hope that she can she can feel better. Well, the other thing is though she's like,

I really just want to put this past me. And I'm like, Doree, it's been like two days. Like give yourself a break. Oh my God. I know. And I had mixed feelings also when she showed up to Sutton's event and was pissed off that there was press there. Yeah, that part I didn't get. I was like, I mean, maybe it would have been nice for Sutton to like give her a heads up or be like, oh, you can come in this back way and like avoid the press. But it's like, I don't think Sutton was supposed to like not have press at her event. You're also on a reality show. So you're already engaging with press. Like that part I don't really understand. Literally simultaneously as you're at this event. She's like, this is where I draw the line.

I filmed 12 times, including an overnight trip since this robbery, but I will not speak to TMZ. Yeah, like, on a two-foot red carpet, I will not avoid some like fashion blogger. Right. It's like daily buzz, TV. Facts. Whatever. Dot, UK, whatever. Right.

This wasn't like, Good Morning America. No. Yeah, it wasn't even like TMZ ambushing you in the parking lot. It was just like, you don't have to walk this red carpet if you don't want to. Skip the mini step and repeat. Exactly. Girl, winter is so last season. And now spring's got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes.

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Oh, my God. And so I have a lot of thoughts. I'm sure you have some thoughts. First of all, what's your overall just impression after this first episode? And did you, have you been excited for this show or were you kind of like, yeah, I guess I'll watch it. Actually, neither. I probably wouldn't have watched it if I hadn't come on this podcast. so now I'm pretty glad.

But yeah, I mean, I think it's a really good franchise. It's top, I mean, like literally top of the top in terms of like opulence and luxury. So that's really cool to see. And I do like how they're giving us like a peek into a different culture. And the cast seems pretty interesting. Like they actually seem like they're friends, but they kind of come from various like countries and things like that. So yeah, I'm excited.

Yeah, I think they did a great job with the casting. And it feels like this group has a lot of room to explore when it comes to their relationships. And right off the bat, I liked in that kind of intro sequence where they're showing like their heads in the dots with like the lines connecting. And they're like, okay. So like Lisa and Ion are friends. So they're both friends with Caroline. But Caroline doesn't get along with who. And like it's, I think it's, it's nice to see because if it was a group where they had just kind of been like, okay, we've got.

this girl, this girl, this girl. Like, you wouldn't, it would feel fake if they tried to really, like, create those relationships. Totally. I will say I was confused by the amounts of double naming. Like, I thought one of, I thought there was a cast member named Brooke. And I'm like, wait, no, that's just her. I'm like, who's Brooks?

Like, I was so fucking confused. And I had to go look it up after and everything. So. I think for the time being, I think we're going to, we can call Caroline Stanbury, Caroline. Yes. And Caroline Brooks can be Brooks. And are there two Chanel's also like the other, the model, her name is Chanel, Ion, right? And they just call her ion.

Yeah. Like that's a little confusing to me too because like her in like the taglines like it says Ayan. Like that's like her like official housewife name. But then like when she has lunch with Lisa, Lisa's like there's, you know, there can be drama. And there's both sides. But like I'm always team Chanel. I'm like, so you call her Chanel?

I don't get it. I'm confused. Yeah. No, it's like whatever there's a new show. It's always like, okay, like, first of all, I have to remember, like, what you all look like. And then what your names are. And then, like, who's friends with who and who's, like, fake friends with who. And it's good that there's so much happening in the first episode. But also it's like, okay, let me, let me quickly wrap my mind around. I know. I also watched it on my old laptop. So it was pretty low red. So I think I'm going to rewatch it and not recognize anybody. Because our phases were all, like, so blurry. I will say this is a first world problem. But sometimes when you get the screener, it was. It looks like it was filmed on like a toaster. And I'm like, I know this isn't supposed to be like final error quality, but like.

That's good. Like, Mama's blurry. Yeah. I'm like, I can't make out any of these ladies' faces. So I got to go look at their bios on bravo.com. I'm interested. So you, you haven't watched Ladies of London, correct? No.

What is your, I'm curious to get from a non-Ladies of London viewer. What's your kind of read on Caroline Stanbury from this? Yeah. I mean, first of all, I was like, wait a second. haven't I heard that name before? I googled her and I was like, eh, probably not. I'm not so into like the British tabloids.

I didn't, I felt like her relationship is suspect. Okay. That seems off. But, you know, I didn't mind her too much. I thought the Bachelorette party drama was kind of absurd because it's like, yeah, no shit. You're not going to invite someone that you don't know

or like to your Bachelorette party. Like, I don't get why that was made into a federal case. Right. I liked that Sarah was kind of like, well, I wasn't there. I don't care. It was like, it was like, right for her friends. And even for what's her name. See, this is my problem.

Even for what's her name to be like. Ayan was the other one who wasn't there. Ayan, but like the woman who told her like, oh yeah, you know, she only invited important people. Like, why would you get upset about that? Like, you are not important to this lady. Right. Right. She's not saying that you're like an insignificant human on the face of the earth.

Like, what the fuck? Yeah. It felt like Aion kind of was like almost. a little bit like Doreet kind of in bad faith with the safe space thing. Totally. She's like taking the word important to be like gospel truth. And she's like she said that I'm like the scum of the earth. And it's like, no, like I'm inviting the people who are important to me or like that it's

important that I have you at my hen party. Right. And I did love though. A few times in the episode, Caroline Stanbury was like, well, only so many people fit on the boat. And it's like, I mean, there's six people in the cast. There were so many people on that boat. It's not like there were like 24 women and you could only invite half.

Yeah, exactly. If you, I mean, I think sometimes on these shows, you can tell when something is like a filming event and everybody's invited kind of regardless of relationships or when something is like Caroline's actual bachelorette party that is being filmed and therefore like her friends on the show will be there. But like she didn't, it's not like elementary school, Valentine's where you have to. to bring one for everyone in the class. Facts. Oh my gosh. Like this felt like her real event, whereas then you have like Nina's Se LaVee rooftop dinner.

And it's like, this is a filming event. Like there's six of you at this table. Half of you like already can't stand each other. Like this is for the show. I know. That was also, I was like,

wow, you guys have not even really interacted that much and already at each other's throats. I know. And I think when the trailer for the season came out a couple weeks ago, people were kind of like, I think people were excited just like to have a new show and it looked luxurious and all this but like the trailer was not especially explosive.

It didn't seem like necessarily there was going to be like intense drama or that much conflict. And so I think this episode and this dinner was kind of a out of left field. It's like, oh, like you're like outwardly saying you just like certain people and like you're calling each other fake. You're saying who's jealous of who. Brooks is insulting Ion's wig. And then Ion is insulting versus face.

It's like, oh, my God. Yeah, it's like, oh, no, we're going there in episode one. And that makes me like more excited for the rest of the season because I'm like, I thought we were going to kind of be at this like baseline of maybe not that much drama. But if this is the first time you're interacting as a group, then this guy's the limit kind of. Oh, yeah. It's true. I mean, it might go the way of Salt Lake City and kind of peter out in the middle and then kind of ramp up

at the end, but also a lot of seasons do that. So it should be good. I think also some people I've noticed, and I talked about this yesterday with my, with Dave Quinn, but it's like, some people just like don't want to be happy when they're watching these shows. And I saw people on, I was on Twitter last night during the episode. And like, I saw people literally like 15 minutes into the episode being like, this show is boring.

And it's like, it's going to be boring for 15 minutes. Right. Like, first of all, I don't understand. It was an hour. It was a 75 minute long. episode. It was long. If you're 10 minutes into the show and being like, me snooze, like, why do you think you know yet the whole vibe of the show? Yeah. But also it's like, I certainly didn't think this was a boring episode.

No. Taken as a whole. And I've talked to now, you know, I was at a screening of it the other day. Like, I've talked to a lot of people online. Like, I just, if you, if you think like this is a boring hour of TV, then like, maybe, maybe you just are like sick of watching housewives or something. Yeah. No, it's true. Like, like, then how did you make it through like the first season of Potomac? Like, you know, because that was, it was fun, but it was a little bit odd. Um, but I think if, if explosive fights on episode one aren't enough for you, like,

what do you want? I think some people set like an imaginary bar in their heads of like what is like good. And it reminds me like my, my sister is the kind of shopper where like when she's shopping for clothes, she has like a garment in her head that she has made up in her mind. Oh, I do this. The ideal dress. Yes. And it probably doesn't exist.

Yes. And you get mad that it doesn't exist. Right. And you're going to like, you're going to like Macy's and you're like, why don't they have the dress that I conjured up in my brain. Yep. I agree. And I feel like people do that with Housewives where it's like, no, like, what are you

imagining to be this like good episode that this is falling short of? Right. Because I don't, I don't think in any like real metric this was like a boring episode. No. Or you like want season three drama in the pilot. And that's. just never going to happen. You have to world build. You know, we need to know, like, who these people are.

And I think we get some really good moments in this first episode of just kind of like meeting these women and seeing like specific things that sort of like show us who they are. Like I loved seeing that scene, Lisa's house with her sons where she's getting $1,200 worth of ice delivered to the pool. Absurd. To cool it down for her kids. And then they're like in the tent and making s'm like, okay, her kids are the cutest. So cute.

Is she the one with two apartments in the same city? I was like, that is Caroline Brooks. Somebody told me that they, she's like, we have our home in the Palm Jamera, which is like all Emirates and I had to get permission to live there. And then we have our weekend home.

Yeah, I was like, give me a fucking break. Somebody told me on Instagram that they like looked up the two neighborhoods and they're like a 15 minute drive apart. Why? I don't even get it. That just sounds stressful.

To me, I'm like, I won't like even like, like spending the night at like not my apartment. I'm like, I don't have my stuff here. Like that's stressful. Yeah.

You have to have two sets of stuff. I know. Your weekend home? Like what is that? Get a weekend home in a different place. Like, that seems absurd. Like Abu Dhabi or something.

I don't know how far away that is. Yeah, me either. But it seems very silly to have two homes in the same city. I know. I, but yeah, it's like fun to meet them and, you know,

hearing that Caroline Brooks was married and then got divorced and, like, chose to walk away with nothing so that she could have custody of her son. Like, that is a whole can of worms that I'm sure she has, like, a lot more to share there. And I'm interested to hear it. And then also the fact that Sara, who's like the native Emirati one, has been divorced and is clearly, is in this, like, really interesting position of being a Muslim, being from this culture. but kind of having this like rebellious side and not kind of being what people would imagine to be like the the like stereotypical Muslim woman. Like I think that is so interesting and I'm excited that that is like an aspect of the show that's being discussed.

Yeah, I thought that was especially interesting and how like she and the other lady again, I don't know anybody's name on this show like are struggling to teach their kids Arabic. I'm sure that's very relatable to like a lot of people. Yeah, I think that's, I'm sure that's relatable to. a lot of people in the U.S. who have like immigrant parents or are like first or second generation and like trying to keep that culture going. And I think that's something where like I don't spend that much time thinking about what Dubai is like, but that's not necessarily what I would picture. I'm like, oh yeah, like probably everybody speaks Arabic. I don't know. Like right. So it was cool to kind of get that like discussion happening right off the bat. And I'm interested

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Are you feeling more team Caroline Brooks? or team Ion, or are you kind of just like, I don't know, go at it? I didn't get why everybody was accusing Caroline Brooks of like being a liar and sort of stirring the pod. I was like, I don't know that she made a joke. Like I think she made a comment that is true that got interpreted in the dumbest and worst possible way. So I'm kind of with her on this one.

Yeah, I do feel a little bit like Ion came to that dinner looking for. it a little bit. I think she was ready to start some shit. Because right off the bat when they're, I mean, it makes sense. The last time most of these women have seen each other was at the Bachelorette party. It makes sense the Bachelorette party is going to come up in conversation.

Right. And when she's like, why are we talking about this? I wasn't there. If I wasn't there, I don't give a fuck. I don't want to hear about it. Talk about something else that I can contribute to. And it's like, I like, I understand. Yeah. I understand feeling. I mean, like, we've all been in that position where it's like, oh,

Like that sounded, I guess that sounds fun, like, cool. But she could have definitely worded that request matter because that is a little, it's like reasonable, but she worded it in the most demanding way. She seems like somebody who, uh, is used to getting what she wants and asking for it kind of however she feels like it. I agree. But I think it's also fair for them to be like, we're going to recap this for like two minutes and you can just sit tight. Right. It's not that. It won't kill you.

Honestly, the producers on the show are probably like, okay. like chat about what you did last time, like catch up since you haven't since the Bachelorette party. Like what have you been up to? Like it's not, that's like normal human conversation. Right. And I'm nosy. So I'd want to know what went on. Right.

And like, but it is funny to me that after Ayan has like made the request that their demand that they stop talking about it. Caroline Brooks is kind of like poking the bear a little bit. Because she's like, oh my God. It was so fun. We had so many drinks. Wasn't it fun? We were so drunk. Yes, totally.

Like, I think they both seem to have this like natural inclination to just like pick at each other. Yeah. Which it could get old depending on, depending on how frequently it happens or like the way that it happens. But in this first episode, I'm like, okay, this is spicy. I like it. Yeah, I think it's going to get explosive because neither of them seem like they back down ever. Totally. Well, thank you so much for stopping by.

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