Mention It All - Tamra, Put The Phone Down (Plus RHONY & RHOSLC)

Episode Date: October 17, 2024

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by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With me, Dylan Hafer. We're going to check me, both. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. Oh, I am so glad to be back with just me, myself, and all of you, back from a nice vacation. I hope you enjoyed all the content we had for you over the last couple weeks. I really enjoyed recording it, and it was, it was great to have episodes to put out while I was gone. But oh my God, I feel like I missed so much because suddenly we are back in the this period where there's four Housewives shows airing every week. So you go away for like a week and a half and you're missing like six episodes. And it is like, it's weird to be, if you're not,

when you're not in the U.S., you can't just like fire up peacock and watch your shows every week. So I was really behind and I felt like I couldn't watch anything. The one, the only episode of Bravo that I watched the entire time I was gone was the Amsterdam dinner fight episode, which happened to be on the British Airways in-flight entertainment system. So shout out to them. But yesterday I had a great time talking to Heather McMahon. That episode is out now. If you haven't heard it yet, go give it a listen. And because we have so much housewives happening right now, I've devised a little plan to get caught up because I know I've missed a lot over the last couple weeks. So today I'm going to mostly be talking about Salt Lake and New York,

the last kind of couple episodes of each of them, of course, focusing on. this week because, you know, we're living in the present. And then Monday's episode, I'm going to get back into Orange County and Potomac, because I know that a lot has happened there since I've last talked about them. Oh, my God, Orange County, this trip to London. But speaking of Orange County, I can't, I cannot let today's episode go by. I cannot wait until Monday to talk about what has been going on with Tamara Judge this week, because, oh, boy, it has been a roller coaster over on the socials for Mrs. Judge. If you're out of the loop, I really apologize because I'm not going to be able to share

every single little piece of detail. But the long and short of it is that earlier this week on her podcast, two T's, maybe you've heard of it, she shared that she is on the spectrum. And this, of course, is referring to the autism spectrum, which is, you know, a thing that many people are on the spectrum. it can manifest in many different ways. Obviously, the fact that it's a spectrum means that there are many different, you know, levels it can take. But this is new information for Tamara.

She's sharing it in real time. And she said that, you know, because of this, you know, social, you know, issues that she has, that maybe she has trouble empathizing with other people, which, you know, perhaps we've seen over the years on the Real House of Orange County or some other programs we've watched. her on, but look, this is not, I would say it was not an elegant way of rolling out her supposed diagnosis. You know, she got a lot of blowback for this. And I have mixed feelings about it, because on the one hand, I think that there are many people in the world who are going through life whose lives could be improved or, you know, made easier by receiving a diagnosis of this kind or of any other kind. So if this is something that is going to make a positive impact in

Tamara's life to be diagnosed with, you know, as on the spectrum and receive whatever kind of treatment that entails, I'm all for it. I want, I want Tamara Judge to thrive. I want Tamara judge to be the Tamra-ist, judgiest person she can be. And oh, boy, is she judgy? But I also understand that this is coming on the heels of a season of Orange County, which obviously is still airing, but a season in which Tamara has maybe not been super well-received in how she has handled a lot of situations, particularly her relationship with Shannon Storm's Bedore. And, you know, now we're getting into this Jen and Ryan portion of the season, and that doesn't seem to be going great with respect to Tamara. So it came across a little bit like, okay, you all have been bullying me online because I've

been bullying these women on the show, and, you know, now I'm going to play this card, and suddenly that's going to explain everything, and you'll have to stop coming for me because I am on the spectrum. I don't think that that's how she intended it necessarily, but I also understand why it came across that way to a lot of people. And therefore, you know, it just, it didn't, it wasn't great. So then Tamara follows this up with a lengthy, lengthy statement that she posted. So she posted like a screenshot of a statement on Instagram, but then on Twitter, she posted it just as a tweet. And you know that she is paying Elon Musk, however many dollars per month for Twitter Blue, because she was able to post a tweet that is one, two, three, four,

five, six, seven paragraphs long. I screenshoted this tweet so I could put it in my outline and print it out, and it is one full eight and a half by 11 page of text. That's one tweet. Do you remember when tweets used to be 140 characters? Can we go back to that? Like, I want a tweet, I want a, I want a lengthy tweet to be like three sentences. This is an essay. If this was an AP exam, this is like a document based question. So she's explained. kind of what happened behind the reveal that she made in the podcast episode. And I'm not going to read this whole thing because, quite frankly, we don't have time. But she said, she starts off saying, I started therapy because this year had been really hard on me.

So I'm just going to kind of try and read, do like a close read in between the lines of some of the things that she's saying. So she's saying here, she's telling us that she started therapy this year recently. Next, next, next. She hadn't even considered just being admitted into a mental health facility. Yeah, therapy seems like a logical first step. So she says, in my conversations with my therapist, who I've known for years, we talked a lot, we talked about a lot over the course of two hours. Some math is not mathing here. So she started therapy this year, but her therapist is someone she's known for years, which means that she went to a therapist who she knows outside of the

context of therapy. And I would, I would venture to say that if you are somebody who has not done therapy before and you're looking to start therapy, you probably should find a therapist who is not some kind of friend or acquaintance of yours. Go to somebody, go to a stranger who is going to only be your therapist and nothing else, but whatever. Next time, Tamara, go to someone. But she says, in my conversations, we talked about a lot over the course of two hours. So either that is one two-hour conversation, which is conversation, not plural, or maybe two, one-hour segments. Like, has she only gone to two sessions of therapy? And this is where she's coming up with the diagnosis that she is likely on the spectrum.

I just think that going to therapy is great. I'm glad that Tamara is, like, seeking help. And she talks a lot in this about how, you know, she's getting help and she's doing what she needs. to do, which is amazing. I love that. Go off, Queen. But she, it sounds like she's been to two total hours of therapy. And I would just say that maybe that is not sufficient. Maybe, just maybe. She was told after these, over the course of these two hours, these two long hours, that lots of these things about her were all signs of being on the spectrum. her therapist did tell her that more evaluation was needed.

But then she says, but when I sat down at the mic to record my podcast 15 minutes later, and my head was spinning from what she had said, I had no time to process things or even talk to my family. I was just back at work. And I was so emotional, I just blurted it out. Okay. So the timeline of this is Tamara has been to two total hours of therapy in her life that have both happened recently. She finishes her second hour of therapy. She's like, yippy, I'm on the spectrum.

I'm reeling, I'm reeling. 15 minutes later, I'm going to record the podcast, and I'm going to tell the world who already is not super happy with me. I'm going to just let them in on this little very fresh piece of information that I am probably on the spectrum. Because she's not been like, there needs to be more done here. The therapist is telling her. It's just, she says her instinct was to have it removed from the episode, but she's so

used to being open with everything that she decided not to. She wishes she had, you know, it's, she spoke too soon. It happens. But I'm like, girl, I go away for a second. And I say this, I say this with all the loving care of my heart. I think Tamara needs to log off. And I think Tamara needs to maybe put down the microphone. They've taped their reunion for the season. I think she's done with press and all, all the stuff like that. seem probably. I think that Tamara Judge would benefit from like a nice long sabbatical from like speaking into a microphone and being on camera and like and maybe until they're ready to film the

next season of OC. Look, podcasting, it's a, it's a tough game. It's tough to take time off. I know. But like, Tamara, if this is really, she's been talking for weeks for months on social media about how hard it's been that people have been coming for her this season. She's been like crying on the front facing camera, which is just never, when you're when you're opening up the phone to record a video of yourself crying, you know that you've gone in a bad direction.

It's just not, it's not the way. I want Tamara to be well. I want everyone else to be well too. And I think that maybe the best thing for everyone would be for Tamara to just like take a wee little break. Your summer starts now with Memorial Day deals at the home. Home Depot. It's time to fire up summer cookouts with the next grill for burner gas grill on special buy for only $199 and entertain all season with the Hampton Bay West Grove seven-piece outdoor dining set for only $49. This Memorial Day get low prices guaranteed at the Home Depot. While supplies last, price invalid May 14th or May 27th. U.S. only exclusions apply. See home depot.com slash price match for details. So good, so good.

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We're going to get back into what's happening on the actual show. And, you know, who knows, maybe she'll have, um, Maybe she'll have another diagnosis by Monday, and I will be happy to share it with you then. But for now, let's talk about Roney. We're now, what, three, four episodes into this season. The ladies are in the Hamptons once again at Aaron's house, once again, talking about if there's going to be enough food to eat, once again. Jenna Lyons has brought lingerie for everyone.

Once again, we're talking about Jessel looking like a Christmas tree once again. If you notice the theme, it feels like we're kind of. of replaying the beginning of last season of Roney. And I feel like this is a dangerous thing to get into. Because it's one thing when you have like traditions or sort of things that you know will work in a certain way. Like all the years on Roney classic when they would go to the Berkshires every season. Or they would, you know, they went to Ramona's Hampton's house multiple times.

It's not like doing the same thing in multiple seasons on Housewives is a problem. But watching the last couple of episodes of this season so far, it just was kind of hitting me that I feel like they're sort of trying to play the hits. But I don't think the hits are actually like these hits are like mid tier. Like maybe they charted in like the 20s, the 30s on the hot 100. Like, this is not, like, Despacito, that you're like, oh, my God, this was number one for 17 weeks. Like, I think these women need to realize that, like, we're not that obsessed with what happened last season, that we need to reference all of it again this season. I just think we can make new memories with this cast. We've only known them for one year.

We don't need to be back in the same place, talking about the same thing, having the same jokes. Like, the jokes aren't that funny. But in terms of what's actually happening, with the cast otherwise. I'm like mildly into whatever's happening with Sye and Bryn. I don't, it's, it feels a little bit like,

I don't know if there's really a there there. Like, okay, so we're arguing over whether or not somebody said that Si hated Jenna. And Sai's like, it's still the thing where she's like, well,

I don't like her, but I don't hate her. It's like, again, I don't super care. I think that Brin is, is Bryn has like a frustrating tendency to bring this energy where she's like a little bit messy. And then when people get mad at her, she's like, why are people mad at me?

I just want to have fun. Why do we have to do that? What do we? Don't come for me. I just want to, I just want to like hang out and drink and have fun. And like now it feels like people are like yelling at me. And like I'm like in trouble. And I'm just a girl.

And like I understand. And I understand. I feel like if I were on one of these shows, I might be like this a little bit where I'm like, you guys, like, none of this is that deep. Can we just have fun? But the problem is when you're on a show like this, the way that these shows are able to sustain is that you have to be, you have to come back to the drama trough and eat the slop. Like, you can't just be like, okay, we talked about this for 10 minutes.

Now I want to have a fun weekend. Like, you have to sort of revisit and rehab. and work through again. And, you know, Bryn thinks that she and Sai are totally fine. And Cy feels like, actually, Bryn just apologized right away before Sai even had a chance to say what she was mad about. So now, Sai is still sitting there telling everyone that she, that Bryn was minimizing her and not listening to her. And it's like, is it really that important whatever Sai is mad at Bryn about?

Like, probably not. But because this is housewives, you can't just sweep everything under the rug and be like, I'm going to cuddle in bed. But then there also is this weird energy coming from Uber. And it really feels to me like somebody or someone told her, I'm like somebody or someone, same thing. A person, I don't know, maybe multiple people, gave her like a note or some encouragement that she needed to be like more involved.

and having like more moments kind of because it feels like she's really kind of trying really hard and like laying it on a little thick in these last couple episodes because when they're at Aaron's House in the Hamptons, it feels like she is working overtime to get in the middle of the Sye and Bryn stuff and really like taking up for Sye in a way that is like just not really necessary in this level of conflict. Like, this is not like a New Jersey, you know,

War of the Roses where you really have to pick your side. Like, this is just kind of like Sai and Bryn are like yapping at each other about something they're annoyed about. And so when Uba is like dispatched out to the backyard where Sai is nowhere to be found to be like yelling at Bryn, it just feels unnecessary and it feels a little forced. And I would like for Uba's conflict to be more rooted in, something that has to do with Uba. I know she's still mad at Bryn from last season

about like alluding to the fact that she has a man in Connecticut. But the thing is like maybe that was messed up at the time. But now you are like talking about your man in Connecticut's dick on the show and about how he has a room in his house in Connecticut that's specifically for you to paint. And I'm like, I didn't even know you painted. Like you're sharing quite a few details of your relationship now. So it doesn't really like, it doesn't feel.

important to me to still be mad about Bryn being like, I heard there's a man in Connecticut a year ago. Like, that feels like something we need to move on from. But then aside from that, this week, Uba started this pigeon thing. And we saw it in the trailer for the season and we didn't have like the context. And I was like, okay, the pigeon thing seems like it could be like really funny or annoying. this week we started to get into it and oh boy am I annoyed it comes out of nowhere there's like Uba makes one comment about how you know all these women are talking and annoyed and

chattering and whatever and she's like they're like pigeons they're just like pigeons and it's like okay yeah Aaron's kind of like oh yeah yeah they're like pigeons It's like what of those things where where somebody like thinks they're really like making a really funny comment and you're like, oh, oh, yeah. You're so funny. You're so right. Oh my God, they're totally like pigeons.

But then Uba says it like 20 more times in this one single like half an episode. And so you know that she thinks or somebody is telling her that it's like, a great thing that she has stumbled upon. She's like, oh my god, yeah, like say the pigeon thing again. Oh my god. Aren't these ladies just like, like little pigeons? Like scrappy, scrawny little pigeons. Like say it again. Say it in your interview.

Say it to Bryn. Say it to sigh. Say it to Jenna. Like it just feels so laid on thick right away. And the thing with like the best catchphrases are the ones that develop naturally and that become a thing kind of on accident. Like when Derinda, and I hate to go, I mean, the comparisons with old and new Roney, like, I don't mean to do these women dirty by being like, I want Derinda back, because that's more complicated than it's not that simple.

But when Durinda is like on her, you know, fourth drink of the night, slurring her words at Blue Stamander, she's like, hey, good, good, go, okay, decar me, I made it nice. she's not thinking in her mind that this is going to go on an apron that she's going to sell in six years as it's coming out of her mouth. I feel like Uba had the pigeon merch in Canva before she even said it on the show. And she's like, I'm putting the merch together and then I'm going to say the pigeon thing. And then everybody's going to die in six months when it airs. And I'm going to have the collection ready to drop. I haven't checked.

I don't think she's actually dropped the merch. I'm sure it's coming. But it just feels like there's not this, there's this urgency to like we're making this head. happen, whereas the best moments have just evolved and have unfolded. And things are the most iconic when the fans take them on and sort of like the fans have to keep it alive. Like all of the, all of the best housewives moments are iconic because we say them to each other.

We reference them on social media. If it's just the housewives themselves like hammering home their little bits again, that's when you, that's when you have Alexis Blino coming on five minutes into the season being like, there's the door, Shannon Bador, wink. Like, it doesn't work like that. And I like that Uba is trying, I guess, but it's just like, it's not quite landing. And I'm not sure, I'm not sure that this is a good foot to be on three episodes into the season. That's my concern.

I am, I'm enjoying recap. are new housewife's energy. Like, as a person, she seems very cool. The handling of the transportation to the Hamptons was so bizarre because it was like, okay, I thought half the group was going to be in the helicopter, half the group was going to be in the car. And look, I am Team Sy there because I don't want to be in the helicopter, especially if it's raining, cloudy.

I have a thing with helicopters. I've never been in one. I'm not saying I never would, but I just like, I get it. If you want to drive, that's fine. But suddenly we have three separate. cars going to the Hamptons and it's like there's not that many of you like Jenna's driving her her Bentley size driving her 2024 range rover we get a price tag it's over 100,000 there's like a year wait list um and then Raquel rolls up in her Porsche Porsche separately and it becomes a thing

that she was supposed to drive with Sai and uba I think but she gets really car sick and she said that the reason she didn't go in the car with them was because they weren't going to let her sit in the front and sigh's like wait wait I'll show you the text she never even asked and I understand if if Raquel wanted to drive herself out to the Hamptons I think that is totally valid do whatever you want I don't this is not something that I can like work up the energy to be upset about like driving arrangements for a weekend in the Hamptons but I do think it's weird that Raquel was telling Aaron that she like was not allowed to sit in the front when she never actually even brought it up. I think the actual thing was that she wanted to drive Sye's car, which I agree with Sye.

I'm not letting you drive my car. I don't have a car now, but like when I had a car in college, and I think I let a friend drive my car like one time in two years. I'm like, uh-uh, no, no, that's not, we're not taking chances with that. I don't trust anyone, but I do, I like Raquel. I'm into her so far. Rebecca Minkoff still not giving me too much. And I got to say that Scientology, I would say discussion, but it was really more of like a brief mention in the helicopter.

It was very strange. I don't know if that was like production, somebody in their ear being like, hey, on the helicopter, you should mention to Becky, the Scientology thing. I feel like that's what it had to be because I can't imagine that they would just, that that's the environment that Brand would actually think it was like appropriate. to bring it up. But it's just frustrating to me a little bit. I talked about this when we found out that Rebecca was going to be on the cast in the

first place. But the Scientology conversation is so sticky. And I don't believe that we're ever going to get a really, you know, satisfying answer out of Rebecca about it this season. But I would like to see either like a real conversation about it or we should probably just like decide that this is not the place on Housewives. Because it's weird when you're not. you have Jenna Lyons in the confessional being like, well, if you look at every organized

religion, if you only look at the worst parts of it, there's bad stuff. It's like, yeah, that's not actually like a, that's not like a salient point. Like, yes, sure, we can, we can talk until we're blue in the face about problems with religion, but like, Scientology is not like just any old religion. Like, there's, there's some, there's some, um, some literal and metaphorical, things to dig up there. Girl, winter is so last season. And now Springs got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs.

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You guys pulled off a Housewives trip that was pretty enjoyable to watch. I mean, we had a Bobblehead Museum, we had a Bucks game, we had a beer tasting in the Miller Caves. You got Mary Cosby to think that Miller High Life was comparable to 2003, Dom Pernignon. Congratulations. A Harley Davidson dinner. Did I already say, Babelhead Museum? Just loving, loving Milwaukee energy. I don't know if I'll be heading to Wisconsin anytime soon.

But I think one or two people might book a trip from what they saw on this show. You never know. You never know. But now we have this feud between Angie and Lisa that we got to talk about. So basically, Angie feels like there's a double standard in the group and that everybody has to stick up for Lisa and that Lisa, you know, doesn't have the same loyalty to everyone else. And I did like on last night's episode when Angie's pointing out, she's like, every friend that Lisa's ever had, she's had an issue with. And we basically get like the guess who board up on the screen where it's like the faces are being like darked out as she says them. And it's like Jen Shaw, Lisa Barlow, Heather McGay, Meredith Marks. And it's like, yeah. I mean, I feel like the whole kind of thing with Salt Lake City is that everybody fights with everybody and that two or three times a season, it's basically like we're just shuffling the deck and you never know who's going to be getting along. And like, yeah, like that. Sometimes it does strain credulity a little bit, but also it makes it so that we always have something kind of a new dynamic going on.

So I do feel like Lisa probably expects more than she gives in return. But at the same time, it's kind of like, look, it's housewives here. We need people to not get along. And that's, it is what it is. I was really, I was really taken by this whole thing that happened this episode with Bronwyn and Lisa talking about her. her daughter's birth father who was never involved, never in the picture. And then he passed away when she was like two years old. And Lisa knows the parents of this guy.

And this was a, it's a crazy story. And I don't know, I mean, I don't know if there's some like production magic working behind the scenes where they knew that Lisa knew these people before she came on the show. I have no idea if like any of that was orchestrated. but it came across on the show like very impactful. And I think that Bronwyn, I think that this week was a good episode for her kind of us feeling like she was

sort of like emotionally bought into doing this show. Because I think the first few episodes, we were getting a lot of energy from her in terms of like getting her fingers kind of dirty with the conflict and, you know, sort of asking questions. and, you know, really seeming curious and excited to kind of get into the group dynamic. But other than her marriage with Todd that we had seen, like, I feel like we were kind of still waiting to get, like, peeled back layers from her a little bit

in terms of, like, the vulnerability and the emotion. And watching the scene with Lisa, where they're talking about how Lisa has reached out to Gwen's grandparents and they are open to meeting her. And then the scene later in the episode where Bronwyn is kind of debriefing Gwen on this whole situation, I was really kind of, I was struck by the level of vulnerability that we're getting. Only five episodes into her being on the show. I mean, this is like really serious stuff. She has a teenage daughter who's never met this side of the family.

She's only ever seen one photo of her father. And it's, it's, um, it's really deep stuff. I don't know where this season is going to go in terms of this story. Like if we are going to, if we're going to see these grandparents on camera, that's pretty intense stuff. I mean, it kind of reminds me a little bit last season what happened with Monica where like, you know, they were going to Bermuda to see her relatives and then her relatives were like, actually we don't want to see you while you're here. I hope that this goes a little smoother for, for Bronwyn and Gwen.

But I don't know. I was, that, that storyline kind of came out of nowhere, and I thought it was very interesting. Meanwhile, our other new friend, Brittany, she, God, what a mess. What a fucking mess. This situation with Jared Osmond, truly, like, I feel like I'm at the bobblehead museum, but I'm one of the bobbleheads getting, like, whiplash from what's going on with, with Britney and Jared, because three episodes ago, she announced that they were official. two episodes ago she announced that they were broken up.

Every time it's got to be a fucking raise a glass to me being single, raise a glass to me being in love. But this week, she decides to meet up with Jared because he's been blowing up her phone since she got back from Milwaukee. And she's like, look, this guy is garbage. He's the fucking worst. But also, he's very convincing and even maybe a little bit manipulative. And when he's talking to me, I just have a hard time standing my ground, right, ladies?

So I feel like I really owe it to him to just sit down and hear him out because he really wants to talk to me. And watching this conversation between them was like just as like yucky as I expected it to be. Like the vibes radiating off of Jared Osmond are truly like bottom, like bottom of the ocean. Just like really, really horrible vibes. Because he's telling her, first of all, there's this story about when she was in Milwaukee and she kind of ghosted him after she said she would call him after the Bucks game. And then Lisa was going through their text and she was texting him from Britney's phone. And then she pha timed him. And she was like, you're a guy, you're a liar.

You blah, blah, blah, blah. you won't hold her in public, you, blah, blah, blah, your best friends. Hi, bestie. Okay, I guess that that was like, probably, like, a little bit of, like, childish behavior from Lisa. I get why he would be annoyed. But at the same time, he, like, is expecting this, like, he's like, that's our private information.

How dare you show it. And it's like, I just don't think that he has been, like, I don't think that he can expect this level of, like, you know, respect and privacy from, Brittany when it sounds like he is like just a fucking dog. She says she can't get him to get off the dating apps. He's like, but I'll hold your hand in public and I kiss you in public. Isn't that great? And she's like, when we walk past a beautiful woman, you drop my hand and you're calling me

best friend. Like, I just, I don't understand how she ever even got to the point of thinking that they were official. If, listen, if you are. seeing someone and you want to be exclusive, monogamous, whatever. If you don't want to be seeing other people and they will not delete their dating apps, you are not in a relationship with that person. You are not on the same page. They are not willing to give you what you want. And I mean, respect for Brittany at the tail end of this conversation, he's like, I've given you,

I've given you everything I can. And she's like, yeah. you've given me everything you can and it's not what I want. It's not enough. So we clearly can't be in a relationship. He's like, well, I don't want to lose the relationship. And it's like,

bro, you had your chance. It's what she wants is like not complicated. It's not crazy. It is literally just a matter of whether he wants to not date other people or not, I don't know, kiss other women or swipe left on other people. Like,

it's just like, it's so simple. And watching him. in real time, try and be like, oh, but baby, I gave you so much. Oh, oh, but we have such a good time together. We're best friends. The best friend thing. We cut it out.

These people are like 50 years old. Grow up. Best friends, please. I bet that they are not that good of friends. I don't know. I just like, he makes my skin crawl. And I mean, whatever. If I ever meet him in person,

And I bet he's charming. I'm sure he's, I mean, clearly, he's like a snake oil salesman. She's like, going to go back for more. I'm sure we have not seen the last of him. But just, oh, God, get out of there, Brittany. Date anyone else. Be, not even date anyone else. Just be single.

That sounds better than whatever's happening with Jared Osmond. The only other thing I want to talk about really is the Zipline Day with, it's Mary, Brittany, Heather, and Lisa. They're talking about the issues between Lisa and Angie and Mary. Mary, who is suddenly this season more clocked in than we have ever seen her. She's going on the zip line. She loves the zip line. We saw her on the ropes course. We saw her swiggin beer in the cave.

She went to a Bucks game. She went to a, she wrote an ATV. She probably got mud on her. She's pretending to like Whitney. Rose? Who is this new Mary? Look, she's just as out of pocket. She'll still say some messed up things. But in the past, do you remember how much it was like pulling teeth to get her to show up to anything? She didn't go on like any of the trips her first couple seasons. It was, it was like, hello, Mary, you're a full-time housewife. Your call time was 2 p.m. We're filming a scene. Where

are you? I don't know, but she is all of a sudden kind of dragging Heather. Because this whole thing is that Angie feels like she's been friends with Heather forever and that now Heather is like team Lisa. And she can't get like the real support she needs from Heather. And of course she tells Mary this at the hip hop dance class that they go to, which again, it's just like, what are we doing here? But Mary points this out to Heather. She goes, well, I feel like you're just, you're championing Heather. You're championing Lisa more than you're championing Angie. Isn't that kind of messed up?

Because you've known Angie what, since you were in high school? I'm like, damn, Mary came with the notes. She was like, if my calculations are correct, you've known Angie much longer. And all of a sudden it seems like you're being a much better friend to Lisa. And how there's like, well, I mean, I championed them both. I champion them both. I just think that sometimes Angie challenges Lisa unnecessarily. And this is the thing.

This is where I think that Angie probably has a real, like a value. complaint about the way Lisa handles her stuff is that it's like if Heather's saying that Angie challenges Lisa unnecessarily, you're sort of implicitly agreeing that there is the status quo where Lisa is like kind of Queen Bee status and that it's not proper to question her about choices that she's making or things that she's saying. And look, I love me some Lisa Barlow. I think she's hilarious. I would have a Kit Kat with her any day.

But like, it's weird within this group if there is a vibe that you're like not supposed to question Lisa. Housewives work best when everybody can question everyone and everything can shift. The sands can shift as quickly as a Utah, you know, I don't, I don't know where that was going. But I just, I think that Angie has, has some valid complaints about, um, about Lisa. And I, I think that Mary calling out Heather on her sort of stance was very interesting. not something I expected to see from Mary. So Mary Cosby kind of having a weirdly active season, though I still don't feel like we're seeing much of anything about her personal life.

I mean, she's like yelling to her son up the stairs about how she doesn't want him to like waste away. I don't know. Just like weird vibes in that house as always. Also, she said on Watch What Happens Live that we haven't seen her husband this season because he's still like mad at. The producers. Like, he's, I guess he's mad because the first two seasons were like kind of about how they're, have a weird fucked up relationship. And maybe the church is a mess too.

But I'm like, weirdly, we're getting a lot of activity from Mary, but not a lot of story. I would say. So maybe we can balance that out more in the coming episodes. But, man, lots to talk about. Lots to look forward to. Can't wait to be back next week and get back into Orange County and Potomac because lots is happening there. too. Just, just everywhere you look, everywhere you look, there's something going on. And

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