Mention It All - The 2023 Bravo Ins & Outs Ft. Samantha Bush

Episode Date: January 3, 2023

Dylan is joined by Sam Bush to kick off the new year, and they begin by discussing the RHONJ trailer that so rudely dropped over the holiday break. Then, they share what’s in and out for the Bravo world in 2023, including some hot takes about social media usage. Later, they dissect the latest episode of Potomac, where a Sesame Street character is unleashed on the group, and unsuccessfully tries to shake Candiace. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Betches Media presents. Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All, a Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With me, Dylan Hafer. We're going to check me, both. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mentioned All podcast.

Welcome to 2020. And welcome to today's guest, a good friend of mine, a content manager at Betches Media, and of course, most importantly, a fellow Bravo-Holic. Hi, Samantha Bush. Hi. Happy 2023. Happy 2020. You were one of the final guests we had in 2022, which was a couple weeks ago, a month ago.

I don't even... I don't have been yesterday. Time is a flat circle. I don't know when anything happened. But I'm glad that you're here today to help kick off the new year. Me too. With our recording difficulties, starting the first episode of the year off strong, we were only 17 minutes late in getting this recording off the ground, which, you know, can only go up from here.

Yeah, exactly, exactly. We have a lot to talk about. It's been a couple weeks since I recorded. First and foremost, like 24 hours after I recorded my final episode for 2022, of course, they dropped the New Jersey trailer. Of course. Which I'm happy for it whenever it happens, but I'm less happy for it when it happens at an inconvenient time for me. and I was literally sitting in my seat on my plane to go home as the trailer was dropping. Got the news.

So I'm like, I'm like sitting there on my phone. If anybody on the plane was watching me, they probably thought that I was unwell because I'm like trying to like screen record, download a video, like crop a video. The life of a content manager. I'm on like three different apps formatting this thing, trying to get just like something posted. before takeoff. Before I am in the air and on airplane mode. Because even if you have plane Wi-Fi, I'm like, I don't trust.

We're not uploading reels from the air. No. Especially where you were going, I don't feel like it was like super long flight. So it's kind of nice to like just decompress and not really have to worry about your phone when you're in the air. Right. Like, if I'm not actively supposed to be working, I don't need to buy the plane Wi-Fi. No, we're good.

And how good is it anyways? Exactly. But this New Jersey trailer, it looks spicy. We've waited a long time. It's here. We have, okay, I was thinking about this. One of the first thoughts that crossed my mind when I saw all these gorgeous, glamorous new cast photos that look very... Oh, my God, pristine.

It's like very Real Housewives of Miami Peacock era-esque, and I approve. Bravo was like, I got to step it up. We have nine women in the New Jersey cast this season, and they have never before had this many, official cast members. Seven housewives, two friends. This is what Jersey has been needing, I think. I agree. I think I'm a little weary of the new girls just because I always am. Because I always look at their social media and I see what they've got going on and I always kind of like have a little bit of side eye. But I do think New Jersey needed a little something. We need drama other than Teresa and Melissa, which people always say that they're so sick of that,

but I could watch it forever, but we need other drama too. I can't just have that be like the focus. Yes, it's interesting. So our two new housewives are Danielle Cabral, which we have another Danielle in Jersey. It's big shoes to fill. I honestly bring Daniel stop back. I don't care. And Rachel Fuda.

And like you were saying, their social media, it's interesting. They have pretty opposite social media presences because Danielle Cabral, she has 37.6. 7K followers and her display name on Instagram is the boozy mama. And so her, you know, she has like a, like, cartoon picture of her and her family as her profile picture. Her bio is New Jersey Extra AF wife slash momtrepreneur, RHO and JCP 13, owner of at Bougy Kids Inc. I'm assuming that's like a boutique because what else would it be?

Yeah. Watch my IG stories. Hashtag funny and hashtag relatable future hashtag Emmy winner. And then her website is www.d Danielle Cabral.com. Like she has... She's been ready for this. She's been waiting her whole life. I believe she also has a lot of, like her and her husband do a lot of like comedy work on their... Yeah. Rachel Fuda still even a couple weeks after this announcement only has like 6,000 followers. Her bio is just, you know, R.H.O. and J. wife, mama, you know, some initials of her kids.

Like, it's a lot simpler. Yeah. And the thing about the New Jersey girls that I love is like, they don't really get in the social media mess too often. Like, they're still just posting picks of their kids' football games and like being chill. And so I'm a little nervous about this Danielle. She's not giving me energy that I want from a housewife. personally so far, just from looking at her social media, I don't want it to go the influencer route. Like, this isn't The Bachelor. So, I don't know, I'm nervous. That's an interesting point. Compared to a lot of the other cities where the women they've cast in recent years have been kind of cookie cutter, ready to go influencer wannabes. Jersey has never

really had anyone with that energy on the cast. I think, you know, if you cast somebody like Melissa today, maybe that would be what she was bringing, but she was cast way back before that was even a thing. And so that is kind of an interesting thing. And as we talk about the New York reboot and are these all just, is it just for influencers? That'll be interesting to see that energy with like Dolores and Margaret, who, you know, obviously they participate in social media, but they don't give a fuck about it in the same way that some of these new women do.

They don't have any winner in their... bio. Sorry, future hashtag Emmy winner. I think you're... So sorry. So sorry. I am excited in the trailer, though, we get some good little sneak peeks of Rachel getting into it with both Jennifer and Teresa, Danielle

getting into it with Jackie. Like, they I think they found two new people. We'll see how much we like them overall, but they definitely are getting into the mix and seem like they have kind of worked their way into the group in a way that at least is encouraging. And you know,

I've been mourning the loss of my Jackie. She's not passed, but she's not full-time, I believe. And she's, it's really upsetting to me because I feel like she had some riveting storylines last year. She was so vulnerable. She was giving us something different in raw energy. And I'm disappointed in Bravo's decision. I'm disappointed.

Jackie has said that part of why she, you know, took a step back or was demoted was because she was working so much on her recovery. And so I'm pretty optimistic about how much she's going to be around because it really did seem when they were filming like she was in every group photo. Right. I imagine Evan is still pretty close with the guys. She was still. She's just not holding the meatball. Right.

At BravoCon, she was still, you know, on the panel. Evan was there. Like, it didn't seem like there was any kind of real distance between her and the cast. So that makes me happy. But I'm just so, so ready to have jersey. I'm ready for Jersey. I'm needed. It's in a month.

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I want to do a little 2023 New Year exercise. I've been seeing all over social media people posting their lists of what is in and what is out for this year. And while I don't really care about people's opinions on workout trends and foods that you're cooking

and any of that other bullshit. Supposed about books you're reading. Yeah, like the body keeps the score. Who the fuck cares? Get out of here. I am curious in hearing what you think is in and out in the Bravo world for 2023. Okay.

Do you want me to start with my ins? Yeah, start with your ins because I have a couple for each also. Okay. My number one in is I want these women recording on their phones. I want them fucking producing. If the cameras are down and shit's popping off, I want them Ashley Darby's style in the back of the van recording the ceiling. That is what I need from these women. Yeah, I like that because especially having that Ashley Darby moment and also, you know,

when Mia was facetiming with Robin and so we were getting like that angle of it too, that was so vital to that part of the story coming together. And after the whole Aspen debacle with Kathy and Rina, it's like I don't, I'm not interested in doing that again. So. No, I can't. We can't go back there. We're not going to do that again. Okay, so I did like an in for fans watching the show and an in for women on the show. Oh, okay. My in for the women on the show, be cringe on TikTok. I want to see it.

I want all the content. I want you to be participating in social media, even if you don't understand it. Giselle's avant-garde TikToks where it's like a clip of her daughters looking like they want to die and then a weird picture of a house plant. Like that's what I want to see on TikTok. A manged behavior. I want to see Brooks forcing Meredith Marks to be in a TikTok with him. That is what I want to see from the Housewives this year on social media. I love that.

I support that. I think what's in is not watching shows that make you miserable. If you haven't enjoyed Vanderpump Rules at all in four years, you don't have to watch it. No. I'm excited for it to come back, but if you're not, that's okay. And people will do this. You know, people will complain and complain and complain. And it's like, if you, you can be, you can have issues with something and still love it.

But if you don't love it at all, let it go. Let it go. That's why I tapped the fuck out of Winterhouse. I was like, this is not bringing me joy. This is not bringing me anything but anger. And I tapped the fuck out. And it is what it is. It's a television show, Mama.

Watch what you want to watch. Exactly. My other inn, I have one more in, and that's just simply Larsa Pippen. Larsa Pippin, we are heading in to her golden ears. I'm obsessed with her. She's truly like the perfect housewife in my opinion. Anyone who's that like ready at all times to say not even the meanest things to you, but just like really get at you in a way that like I haven't seen in a long time is I find her fascinating.

And I also want her in charge of Lisa's divorce because Larsa knows. what the fuck to do. Larsa should be like the executor of the estate or however, whatever that is. The trustee or whatever. Absolutely. Yeah. She needs to, I'm not joking. Like the way that this woman handled her divorce from Scotty Pippen

and the way that she's come out on top paid for a penthouse with just selling like picks of her feet. Like she knows what she's doing. I support her and I love her and I just want more of her. I was with friends while I was home at one point and the

the dog collars that Larsa has invested in came up like organically in conversation like the Halo dog collar and it was like oh it's this like thousand dollars and I was like oh yeah I know about that because Larsa Pippen through a beach party for it I'm really awesome of my heavy did they like it? Do people like these collars?

I don't think anybody I was speaking to have the collar but I think I'm so I'm told it's the collar made by the guy from Dog Whisper at Caesar Milan so it must be good It must be Wow Okay As a non-avid fan of

Caesar Milan dog miss per She knows what to invest Because I got to tell you I don't think Lisa's going to get a penny Out of Lenny I know But look Everything about

Real Hostas of Miami is in I feel like In In In In In In

In In Okay Now let's get to What's out I Yeah For the fans

What's out Is blind loyalty To specific Housewives regardless of what's happening on the show, standing a housewife, you're allowed to like them at their core, but apologizing for all of their behavior.

And yelling at people who disagree. Why are you doing it? This person doesn't know you exist. This person... They would walk over your dead body on the street. Like, they do not care. They are clearly living in their own world. You are allowed to enjoy them on TV,

but you do not have to apologize for all of their mistakes. No, and just don't be fucking nasty online. Like if I say like, you know, I don't like Teresa's dress, for example, that doesn't mean I, like, want her dead. I just don't like her dress. It's not that deep. Ain't that the truth? My out, I have a few on here. My number one is we got to take the double standards out when it comes to which housewives we criticize for certain behaviors because I'm seeing a little bit of some microaggressions happening when it comes to the real houses of the Potomac versus the houses of New Jersey, for example.

the drink throwing by Mia on Wendy, chill the fuck out. We have seen drinks thrown on this show for centuries. And I don't see any women on any cast having an answer for it in the way that these women do. And I just don't like that. It's weird. It gives weird vibes. I've literally seen Teresa like pull people's hair, throw cheese.

Like I've seen these women explode. And they don't have to answer for it in any of the same ways. And it bothers me. I also think, yeah, like if the cast can move on from it, so can you. Let's move on. And it's been multiple episodes since we've talked about that dinner in Miami on the show. So why it doesn't need to be the topic of conversation off the show anymore. We've moved on.

My other one, my hot take, I don't know if this is a hot take or not. I don't. I'm going to get your opinion. Salt Lake City's out for me. I mean, I think Jen is about to be in. the penitentiary. She's about to be in prison. I don't know where we go from here with Salt Lake City, Dylan. I am at a loss. Yeah. I really was on board with the season. And then like the last few episodes, I'm like, fuck. And like seeing like what they're saying and interviews, I'm just like, I don't, I don't get what the fuck's going on.

You know what? I realized that I still, like before we were sitting before we were about to record, I went on Peacock just to see. see what's up, check in with my shows. I realized that I never finished the last episode of Salt Lake City when they're in San Diego and Angie Kay is throwing her like Greek dinner or whatever. I had like 15 minutes left in the episode and I was watching it, I guess, while I was home and I had to leave the house. I had to leave or do something. And so I paused it and then I just never finished the episode. And so now I have to do that. But it's like

It's already Going in that direction And then when you take out the whole gen piece It's like I don't know I am Hoping to be Surprised in a good way Yeah I don't want it to go anywhere

But the way that it's going right now I'm like I can't I don't know if it's giving Dallas Like I don't know what's going on On the show I mean We did get their reunion look and everyone was at the reunion, except for Jen.

But our three friends, our Angie and Angie and Dana, were there. So we'll see. Maybe somebody will have a standout performance. We'll see. I would love that. But I do feel like regardless of how the rest of this season and the reunion goes, I think we will be getting a longer break from Salt Lake City, which is fine. They need to regroup.

That's fine. And we have, I mean, O.C. We have coming down the pipeline. Atlanta, we have coming down the pipeline. We've got this New York reboot in the works. Oh, we're going to be fine. We'll be okay. We'll be just fine. We've still got like 10 episodes of Miami left plus a reunion. You know, there's... Thank God. I know. Oh, my God. Our saving grace. I, my other out for the Housewives, we got to stop with the Face Tune. And not, I don't mean that you have to have. to stop using it. I mean that you have to stop using it in a way that is embarrassing. Yes. I feel like

FaceTune is enough of part of the cultural conversation now. You know, we know and accept that people are using it and we love, you know, FaceTune on Instagram, you're great, never change. But like, I should not feel like I'm looking at a CGI version

of Lisa Rinna. No, these women are taking it to another level. They are showing us ways to use the app in I can't I don't know how they would even do that like yeah

did you see the photo of Phaedra per chance with her boys in allegedly Paris oh my God I did I blocked it out of my brain but they were fully just not in Paris they were fully CGIed I was so photoshopped into

Paris wait Sam I was so confused when I saw that because I'm like this is it looks like it's supposed to be a show Right, but I don't think it was. There's nothing in the post to indicate that it's like, L.O.L. Me and Paris. Yeah, like, L.O.L. Like, wish I was there.

Like, nothing. It was like Merry Christmas from Paris. It's like a worse version of Aubrey O'Day photoshopping herself into Bali. Yes. Except for those, like, the Aubrey O'Day ones, you actually kind of had to zoom in and be like, oh, that's an old photo of her. And Fadre and her sons were simply floating

Like that They were not on the ground When you used to be on like photo booth on your laptop And there would be like the roller coaster background And it's just like fully like splotchy green screen That's literally what it was It was a shock Yeah they got to cool it

So in 2023 Maybe Fadra will be in Paris Yeah For real Let's hope Let's hope Oh also girls' trip three. Hopefully. Oh, God, that's coming up.

Hopefully very in. I feel like Peacock has successfully made me forget how excited I am for that, because it just feels like we haven't had any kind of news since our little teaser at BravoCon. Maybe that's for the best, because it's like when I forget, I have like cash in a drawer or something, and then I find it.

I'm like, free money. Like, this is going to be like a free money kind of show. I love that. I'm really just trying to be optimistic here. I'm excited. I am excited. To watch Alexei and Marisol like react to like. Yeah.

Portia is like funny to me. Before we move into Potomac, last thing. About Marisol, I want to get your take because I'm starting to see a little more pushback on social media to the use of drinking as her kind of entire personality on this show. And it does feel to me like, I think, you know, the cup in the confessional, it's cute, whatever. I like that now she has, like, not just the bedazzled cup, but also the bedazzled flask and the bedazzled wine glass. Like, get your, you know, make your brand strong. I appreciate it. But it is a little bit like, oh, but you're actually just wasted in every scene.

And I do, I would like to seem a different size. of her at some point. I think if she was a full-time housewife, I would be like, I hate this so much. Like, I would feel a little bit stronger about it. But because she's a friend of, I'm like, whatever. Like, it's this little thing that she brings. Like, it seems to me like she just thinks it's like a funny thing and like a shit. No, I agree.

I mean, for me, it's less like, oh, I'm concerned for her and more just like, it gets a little old. It's old. Yeah. No, it's tired for sure. But, you know, Miami, like we said, doing the Lord's work. Yeah. Ready to soundtrack your summer?

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Watch only on Prime. It's also Potomac, still coming in strong. I feel like, you know, it's been the holidays. Everybody's been busy. We haven't been recording and stuff. There was a Potomac took a week off. The fact that we can't get a new Potomac episode on Christmas Day, come on. That would have been the best gift.

That would have been the gift. So watch this episode on Christmas Day, I would have loved. Oh, my God. So we are barreling toward Karen's live show. Yeah. It is so funny. It is so funny to me watching Karen exist in this space of entrepreneur, performer, brand, whatever she considers herself. Because, like, she says she's the Muhammad Ali of live shows.

And I just... I did have to pause and rewind at that part because I was like, did I hear that correctly? He's got her ladams all buying the tickets, ready to go. And it's never quite clear to me if she knows what's happening at this live show, even at the live show. And what is the point of the live show? Nobody else seems to understand. But you know what? At the end of the day, who gives a fuck?

Who cares? I'm sorry. This woman's a marketing genius. She is a businesswoman. And I will not have anyone slander her. and truthfully, I think if you're buying a show to see Karen Hugar, you kind of know you're going to be getting up to some stuff. You know, like, you know that there's going to be maybe some weirdness. Like, you're not expecting it to be so cut in dry kind of like Robin and Giselle's were or was.

Because there's was like about a podcast. It's like a whole different energy. Right. I do think Karen obviously had a better venue. She seemed to have sold more tickets. You know, I was happy to see her thriving up there, you know, for the 45 seconds that she was on stage. Yeah, I think Jiselle and Robin would have had a much better go of it if they had done a venue like that. A different menu.

You know, like, they should be upstairs at the citywindery, not like in the theater part of it. Right. That's like us going to MSG. Like, it just, we would be like, there would be four rows of people. Right. Like, you got to go to an appropriately intimate space where people can have. have a cocktail, get an appetizer, just enjoy themselves. Get a sampler.

It's so much more fun to invite the rest of the women and to film it that because they're talking and mingling and then later fighting. Yeah, they're at a table. They're able to speak. It's like when they're in a row together, it's like you can't film that really. Exactly. Yeah. Okay.

Were you aware before this episode of the existence of Ashley's P-Y-T's, or is that completely new? That's brand new. Never heard of that. Never seen it. I'm confused. The way they are speaking about themselves as a collective, as the pretty young things. And then...

Oh, like, this is like a known girl group, apparently. And then when Chiselle arrives, they are now the pretty little things. Yeah. It's like, you could just keep it to be white T's. And what did Jacelle called herself? She called herself like, pretty little hot mama thing or something like, Chiselle. Like, my God. She's so nuts.

No. And, you know, Ashley is just a perfect housewife to me. She's messy. She's so in the mix. Like, tries to be hands off. I mean, it's really, but also tries to be so hands on. Like, it's, I love her. I mean, we needed a way in this season to bring Miss Deborah back into the picture.

And, oh, she, like, barrels through that door this episode. She is the Kool-Aid man. Like she is busting down this wall. Because, you know, earlier in the season, when people were throwing out these rumors and accusations about Chris Bassett, it's kind of this anonymous figure, Ashley's friend, who heard something or Chris said something or was being hansy flirting, you know, whatever the actual wording was,

it was like, oh, my friend said this, my friend said that. It's not like, oh, you know, Deborah, Deborah said this. But this episode, Deborah is there. She's hungry for it. And she... I... I... These are the kind of people that I want on this show.

Like, these are the kinds of, like, friends of side characters that I just love, because it's so fucking obvious, like, what they're doing. Like, I don't even think she's trying to be a housewife. Like, I think she just wants to be a mess on this show and wreak havoc in Candace's life on behalf of Ashley Darby. Mm-hmm. Watching the footage of her interaction with Chris, and as far as we know, maybe there was more of an interaction that wasn't filmed, but this was all that was captured. She's making it sound like he is making some brazen innuendo about how all the Chris has acted the same and this is somehow a sexual thing or, you know, deeply flirtatious.

in the video literally all I interpreted him saying was like oh you're married to a guy named Chris my name is Chris lots of guys named Chris Yeah he's like oh okay Like Chris is a popular name

Like moving on Also I just think that if the producers of Potomac had footage Like of him Acting up in any way We would have seen it I have heard Hot Mike moments of Michael Darcy

allegedly squeezing the ass of someone on production, okay? We have seen things on this show. If they had it, we would have seen it, in my opinion. And this man was not sidling up to Deborah, you know, trying to talk to her. He was, like, on his phone, not looking at her and being polite. Mm-hmm. Simply being polite. Like, oh, your husband's name is Chris, that's nice.

Like, moving on. Speaking of Michael Darby, I did love that that was Ray Hugar's reference point for what Grindr was. being like, didn't Michael Darby do that at one point? And Karen's like, well, I said that. She's like, well, not really, but that's what I think. Your husband's on the grinder? On the grinder.

And Matt, having to explain that the grinder is not really underground, it's just like a thing. Pretty much is a thing, yeah. Oh, I love their dynamic between Karen and Ray. It really gets me good. Ray is pretty clocked in this season Like he's there, he's having a good time He seems to be pretty with it

You know, at the show, he looks like he's having a lot of fun I don't, he looked like he was like, he's so jolly He's having the best time He's seeing his woman on the stage thrive It was dying When they were clocking how much time Karen had spent on stage And half of it

Most, more than half of it was that panel discussion Where it's like, wait, why are we having Jasmine Masters and this comedian answer people's life questions. I was like, I don't know about this, but okay. It's crazy. Fucking crazy. I did think also, so the PYTs not only are talking about Chris and Deborah,

but they're also saying that Eddie was somehow involved in this whole thing. They're calling him happy Eddie. And Ashley is like, well, I mean, of course now I have to tell Wendy about this. And I have really done sort of a 180 on Wendy from the beginning of this season. I was not feeling her at the beginning of the season. I thought in Miami she handled herself well. And I thought that continued at this lunch with Ashley

because she was, had not a concern in the world about this happy Eddie rumor. And I'm like, yes, girl. Keep your peace. Yeah. She's flying above. She's like, wait, wait, wait, wait. So the extent of this quote unquote rumor is that he was smiling at people and being nice.

And Ashley's like, yeah, pretty much. And she's like, okay. Ashley, your husband was out there just doing God knows what. And there's real footage. Swinging his dig across Instagram. As Karen Huger said. But you're going to accuse people's husbands of cheating because they're smiling at you? Like, are you okay?

I just don't get it. And the thing is, is it's so transparent. Like, that's the thing. Like, it's just obvious that they're just trying to come for someone's marriage again. And it's like, that's just what they do. Yeah. There's really nothing going on there. Right.

And the fact that that lunch was only shown in a flashback when Wendy was talking to Eddie about it. Right. That says all you need to say about this is a non-issue. They're trying to rock the boat with Wendy. It's not going to work. So they're going to go back and try and do it some more with Candace. And to Candice's credit, I thought she handled the presence of Deborah spectacularly. She was not giving Ms. Sesame Street character one ounce, one moment of her time, one bit of her attention.

When Ashley's like, oh, have you met my friend Deborah? Like, not one moment of concern from Candice because she just like, We don't have it. You know, it's not today. No. And the thing that got me so fucking good is when Candid, if Candace ever looked at me the way that she was looking at Deborah, I would turn into stone and you would never see me again.

She was looking at her like, you really fucking think that my husband would ever, ever do that. And then the little moment with Mia where she was like, oh, that's the girl that they're talking on. And Candace was like, mm-hmm. And she was like, and she laughed. She was like, get the. fuck out of here. Like, it's so funny. She was literally paying this woman

dust and I am obsessed because it's like, it's so obvious what they're doing. And Candace is like, why would I entertain this? Like, this is so fucking embarrassing for you guys. Mia saying the quiet part out loud in her confessional when she says that

Candice and Wendy are like eight plus and Deborah is a 4.5. And then she goes, she's cute. But she's not like, cute. It is so rude, but like... God, I've become a Mia Stan. I love this woman. She gives Larsa Pippin energy in the way that she just, like, throws things out there.

And, like, she just, like, owns her shit. And she's like, yeah, you know, we had sex with a woman the night before our wedding. That's just what happened. And everyone's like, what are you talking about? And she's like, I don't know. Just... Also, I thought she was well with... within her rights to sort of call out Karen for bringing this look at the vagina with the flashlight thing back to the group. It's like Ben Platt and No, it's a... What's his name? Jonathan Groff and Leo Michelle. Jonathan Groff and Liam Michelle. That's who it is. Yeah.

I mean, that was messy of Karen to tell that to everybody else. And, you know... He's perfect housewife for bringing that up. Mia is like deeply hurt by it. I don't think she's wildly offended, but I think it makes sense that she's like, girl, that was a secret. And also just like,

the way that Mia handles these situations really is such a perfect housewife, in my opinion. Like, she's bringing it up in such a public way, putting her in blast. Like, she's doing her job. She's clocked the fuck in. She's brought on her friend.

We're going to see the demise of that friendship. Can't wait to see that. because they have the strangest dynamic. That's sit down at their house where they're like, Gordon, do you want to sit in the middle? Does Gordon want to sit in the middle? Gordon's upset. Gordon's sad. Gordon.

Like what is happening here? It was crazy. Yeah, a baffling relationship. I love it. Karen calling Jacqueline Mia and Gordon's Build a Puss project. I don't have words. I don't have words. I mean, truly, truly, truly, truly, truly, these women just kill me.

Kill me. Like, no one is doing it like them. I'm sorry. Like, yes, Miami is gold. Love, love. They're in, like, a league of their own. Like, they're just two separate shows to me. Like, that's almost like not even housewives.

I don't know what that is. But it's amazing. This is like, these women are just casually throwing out some of the funniest one-liners. Like, I just love them. And I think they're, with the Mia and Jacqueline thing and the women kind of how they're showing interested in this, there is one interpretation of it that feels a little bit slut shamy. And like, I have thought about that. The way they're talking about, you know, being in the shower together. Have you hooked up like X, Y, Z?

Like, there's a part of it that feels a little bit like it's not your business. Who cares if Mia hooked up with a woman or? whatever. But then on the other hand, it's like, it is fucking weird the way that they are interacting with each other and the way that they're bringing their relationship, the friendship, whatever you want to call it, into the group. And when people have questions, they're not getting straight answers. Mia's being cagey about things. Like when... And they're both being weird. Like they're both... I don't know what Mia has said. I don't know what Jacqueline has said. Right. When the women were asking Jacqueline about it and she was

like, well, you'd have to ask Mia, like, if we've ever hooked up or if I've ever hooked up with her and Gordon. And then they ask Mia, and Mia's like, what? Yeah. They're like, well, Jacqueline told us to ask you. And she's like, oh, no. There's like a calculation going on behind the eyes that it's like, okay, well, if Jacqueline said to ask.

You got to get our story straight. They already, did Jacqueline already say something and I'm supposed to corroborate or am I supposed to say nothing or am I supposed to just make something up? Like, it is very weird. And I think that obviously... Well, there's also a weird, like, tension between them. Like, where they're like, almost... They almost hate each other.

Like, I can't figure it out. Yeah. And so it's like, I don't always think Giselle is acting in good faith or, you know, sometimes she's messy just for the sake of it. But in this case, I do sort of feel like, no, I would be extremely confused if this relationship was being brought into my friend group. Oh, for sure. Sure. Especially just the way that sometimes

Jacqueline will talk about Mia or Mia will talk about Jacqueline and then, but then they say how much they love each other and that they have seen each other's vaginas. Like, it's giving strange vibes for sure. I am so excited for this trip to Mexico. I...

To see Karen get that mad. Like, I am riveted. It's interesting. I feel like because a lot of the time the trip on a housewife season is built up so much in the previews and stuff where you're like, okay, this This is the thing we've been waiting for. We kind of already know what's going to happen, but I'm excited to sort of see it unfold.

I feel like we don't know. I know nothing. They haven't needed to tease this Mexico trip because so much has happened leading up to it in the season. Like Miami was a whole thing in and of itself when that was like the quote unquote small trip of the season. So the fact that we're going into this Mexico trip, we know we're going to get Karen and Cherie's stuff happening. We know we're going to get Mia and Jacqueline going off the rails in their relationship. But I still don't really feel like I'm like overhyped for this trip in a way that I think is really refreshing. Yeah, I'm really, really excited.

Oh, and they're going to have, oh, my God, they're probably filming their reunion in the next couple weeks. I love when the, I love when Housewives go to Mexico. There's something in the water there. I mean, they can't drink the water, but there's something. It's tequila. It's tequila. Like, they just turn in. into like these wild animals like

in O.C. and like New York like it's so crazy. Yeah. I mean, to be fair, we've had a lot of Mexico trips. It seems like that is kind of the... But I want the Potomac women in Mexico. Yes. I get the sense that that's probably the easiest international trip to pull off

post-COVID. Yeah. But I'm not complaining about it because, you know, they're going to be in a beautiful location. They're going to get drunk. They're going to fight. They're going to have fun times. What could you want? want. No, literally. Like, nothing more. Manifest...

Manifesting a Mexico trip for the Salt Lake City women at some point in the future when they can finally... Well, now that Jen's gone. They can go international. I know. That's the one... That's the one silver lining. It's like, we can finally get a real fucking housewives trip that's not just...

Arizona. Roller... Roller skating in San Diego. Oh, my God, so bleak. Well... Well. I'm glad we have some things to look forward to in 2020. It's not all bad. We're kicking off the new year right. Yeah, except for our technical difficulties. But you know, well, yeah.

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